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« on: June 11, 2020, 07:40 »
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As many of you will already be aware, moves are afoot to create an organisation to effectively represent us and to safeguard the value of our creative assets. In less than 24-hours, a domain has been purchased and a team are already working the creation of a website at www.stockcoalition.org.

A call has already gone out for stock photo contributions for the site on the Facebook page here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/261369748434285

That said, not everyone monitors their Facebook, so here are the details of the request:

Good news - we have that website build underway. However, we are calling on our community of talented artists to contribute one picture each that best represents your work and your country. The goal will be to have between three and five images for a front-page slider and then a gallery of smaller images that are representative of the broad global talent we have as a community.

Those who want to assist, please supply images no larger than 1500px on the long side. We will reference the photographer, but will not have watermarks - so treat it as if it were an agency purchase and supply images accordingly.

To contribute, please email your images directly to [email protected]. Please also include your First Name, Last Name, optional nickname or stock handle and your website or agency portfolio that you wish to promote online.


Shelma1

« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2020, 08:12 »
+3
Done. (Keep in mind we're not all photographers.)

« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2020, 08:18 »
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Of course! Thanks for your excellent vector. All vectors, 3d illustrations and photos are welcome. Video and animation may be a bit tough at this point. Of course, we may be able to include showreels at a later date.

« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2020, 10:10 »
+6
Done.

If you're getting too much of one sort of image, perhaps ask for "no more xxx" or "more yyy please" as most of us have a lot to choose from and it'd be good for the end result to look appealing overall

Noedelhap

  • www.colincramm.com

« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2020, 10:52 »
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Why 1500px pictures without watermark?

« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2020, 11:09 »
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Why 1500px pictures without watermark?

1500 pixels is a reasonable size for Facebook pages and websites, quick to load and not big enough to steal and sell most likely

« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2020, 11:12 »
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« Last Edit: June 11, 2020, 11:22 by trek »

« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2020, 11:13 »
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The maximum we may need for the site slider front page is 1500px. Take a look at what Adobe does on their front page https://stock.adobe.com/. We will probably have names and attribution - but I want to upfront that we are not going to add watermarks. I have 3 downloads at SS left and I could just buy slider pics anyway. Or just send me a bill for $0.10? You know that people who steal images just find them using reverse image search and Google anyway, right?

« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2020, 11:16 »
+2
Sorry, I should have added that I'm limiting it to 1500px as the maximum we need so those who want to participate know they are basically only committing to web resolution images and nothing larger. Of course, supplying larger images if you want is not a problem.

« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2020, 11:18 »
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... not big enough to steal ...

Quite right. That was my thinking.

« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2020, 11:51 »
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I thought you were creating a new stock site. Why don't you do that instead?

Shelma1

« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2020, 12:06 »
+2
I thought you were creating a new stock site. Why don't you do that instead?

Why dont you?

Noedelhap

  • www.colincramm.com

« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2020, 12:09 »
+2
Why 1500px pictures without watermark?

1500 pixels is a reasonable size for Facebook pages and websites, quick to load and not big enough to steal and sell most likely

1500 px is big enough for websites, blogs, small print.

But anyway, what is the idea, will it just be a collection of images to represent the talented artists who joined the coalition? What is the coalition planning to do then? Displaying them somewhere will not do anything on its own.




« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2020, 12:38 »
+1
I thought you were creating a new stock site. Why don't you do that instead?

Why dont you?

+1

I'm sending my image. Thanks Alistair and everyone else involved in doing this.


« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2020, 12:46 »
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I thought you were creating a new stock site. Why don't you do that instead?

Why dont you?

It's not something I can do on my own. If you are already organized you could do it as a group. A site made by contributors could be the solution to stop stock sites from reducing comissions.
« Last Edit: June 11, 2020, 12:48 by microvideo »

« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2020, 13:20 »
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But anyway, what is the idea, will it just be a collection of images to represent the talented artists who joined the coalition? What is the coalition planning to do then? Displaying them somewhere will not do anything on its own.

Okay, I see your point. What you are waiting for is the community to build its own stock agency and pull everyone onboard as exclusive, right?

Firstly, that's not what we are building in terms of this thread. Right now we are building an online home for stock contributors. That's what my team and I have volunteered to do, anyway. So you are quite right, we are not, at this point anyway, building an agency. We are building the site for an organisation that represents us as a first stage.

Is this the start of a fully contributor-owned agency where 80% or more of commissions are kept by contributors? I have no idea. It's certainly a possibility.

But I know where it starts.

It starts with us as a community pulling together right now as a group to send a message loud and clear not just to Shutterstock, but to every agency in the industry. That message is this:

As of this month, the global contributors are no longer yours to abuse with tinpot pricing and peanut royalties. For too long we have been pushed around like herd cattle milked daily for you to take all the cream.

We are not going to continue doing business like this. We are organising. We are working towards a unified front that represents our interests as contributors. And we will win, too, because really at $0.10 a download, what exactly do any of us stand to lose?

Shelma1

« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2020, 13:31 »
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I thought you were creating a new stock site. Why don't you do that instead?

Why dont you?

It's not something I can do on my own. If you are already organized you could do it as a group. A site made by contributors could be the solution to stop stock sites from reducing comissions.

Do a search for symbiostock here.


Noedelhap

  • www.colincramm.com

« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2020, 14:16 »
+2
But anyway, what is the idea, will it just be a collection of images to represent the talented artists who joined the coalition? What is the coalition planning to do then? Displaying them somewhere will not do anything on its own.

Okay, I see your point. What you are waiting for is the community to build its own stock agency and pull everyone onboard as exclusive, right?

Firstly, that's not what we are building in terms of this thread. Right now we are building an online home for stock contributors. That's what my team and I have volunteered to do, anyway. So you are quite right, we are not, at this point anyway, building an agency. We are building the site for an organisation that represents us as a first stage.

Is this the start of a fully contributor-owned agency where 80% or more of commissions are kept by contributors? I have no idea. It's certainly a possibility.

But I know where it starts.

It starts with us as a community pulling together right now as a group to send a message loud and clear not just to Shutterstock, but to every agency in the industry. That message is this:

As of this month, the global contributors are no longer yours to abuse with tinpot pricing and peanut royalties. For too long we have been pushed around like herd cattle milked daily for you to take all the cream.

We are not going to continue doing business like this. We are organising. We are working towards a unified front that represents our interests as contributors. And we will win, too, because really at $0.10 a download, what exactly do any of us stand to lose?


Sorry, but that wasn't the point I was trying to make, I don't mean building a contributor-owned stock agency. In fact I think we'd never be able to compete against the market leaders. 

What I'm talking about was: why should Shutterstock care that we all got 'united' on a website with a gallery to show off our work? It wouldn't give us any negotiating power. The images would just be sitting there, except they're not for sale, it's just a gallery. What message does that even spread? Nothing much. Clients would never see it, let alone care about our little coalition. We'd be as powerless as we are here, talking amongst ourselves.

For any power play we'd need to collectively pull our images, but we have no idea how many people would join that plan.

Suppose the coalition becomes a starting point for a small movement, even then we'd be lucky if we got 1% of all contributors on board. And that won't be enough.

So I ask you, what's the plan of action once the website is up and running? What are we organising? What action is the 'unified front' going to undertake? Are we going to protest in front of the ShutterStock HQ, #ContributorLivesMatter?

Shelma1

« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2020, 14:43 »
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But anyway, what is the idea, will it just be a collection of images to represent the talented artists who joined the coalition? What is the coalition planning to do then? Displaying them somewhere will not do anything on its own.

Okay, I see your point. What you are waiting for is the community to build its own stock agency and pull everyone onboard as exclusive, right?

Firstly, that's not what we are building in terms of this thread. Right now we are building an online home for stock contributors. That's what my team and I have volunteered to do, anyway. So you are quite right, we are not, at this point anyway, building an agency. We are building the site for an organisation that represents us as a first stage.

Is this the start of a fully contributor-owned agency where 80% or more of commissions are kept by contributors? I have no idea. It's certainly a possibility.

But I know where it starts.

It starts with us as a community pulling together right now as a group to send a message loud and clear not just to Shutterstock, but to every agency in the industry. That message is this:

As of this month, the global contributors are no longer yours to abuse with tinpot pricing and peanut royalties. For too long we have been pushed around like herd cattle milked daily for you to take all the cream.

We are not going to continue doing business like this. We are organising. We are working towards a unified front that represents our interests as contributors. And we will win, too, because really at $0.10 a download, what exactly do any of us stand to lose?


Sorry, but that wasn't the point I was trying to make, I don't mean building a contributor-owned stock agency. In fact I think we'd never be able to compete against the market leaders. 

What I'm talking about was: why should Shutterstock care that we all got 'united' on a website with a gallery to show off our work? It wouldn't give us any negotiating power. The images would just be sitting there, except they're not for sale, it's just a gallery. What message does that even spread? Nothing much. Clients would never see it, let alone care about our little coalition. We'd be as powerless as we are here, talking amongst ourselves.

For any power play we'd need to collectively pull our images, but we have no idea how many people would join that plan.

Suppose the coalition becomes a starting point for a small movement, even then we'd be lucky if we got 1% of all contributors on board. And that won't be enough.

So I ask you, what's the plan of action once the website is up and running? What are we organising? What action is the 'unified front' going to undertake? Are we going to protest in front of the ShutterStock HQ, #ContributorLivesMatter?

One step at a time. And co-opting Black Lives Matter when people are literally fighting for their lives is so uncool.

« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2020, 14:55 »
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My team is just building a website to represent us. I can't really build a website representing stock artists without showing what we do. I could buy them, or I could ask those who we are representing to donate some.

I went first and donated my own.

It's always good to have lots of images available so that we can freshen up the look and feel from time to time. Again, note how frequently Adobe's images change.

Will a website change the world by itself? Hell no.

It's just one part of a broader strategy. There are more people involved in this. It's just getting started and already I think the pressure management at some agencies will be under is considerable.
« Last Edit: June 11, 2020, 15:00 by CommuniCat »

« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2020, 15:53 »
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...what's the plan of action once the website is up and running? What are we organising? What action is the 'unified front' going to undertake?

The unified front is figuring that out. In the meantime, halting uploads and disabling portfolios continues with #BoycottShutterstock to keep some pressure on the Shutterstock execs.

You may not think the boycott will work. The execs can't be sure that it won't. That'll do for a Thursday :)

« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2020, 16:31 »
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But anyway, what is the idea, will it just be a collection of images to represent the talented artists who joined the coalition? What is the coalition planning to do then? Displaying them somewhere will not do anything on its own.

Okay, I see your point. What you are waiting for is the community to build its own stock agency and pull everyone onboard as exclusive, right?

Firstly, that's not what we are building in terms of this thread. Right now we are building an online home for stock contributors. That's what my team and I have volunteered to do, anyway. So you are quite right, we are not, at this point anyway, building an agency. We are building the site for an organisation that represents us as a first stage.

Is this the start of a fully contributor-owned agency where 80% or more of commissions are kept by contributors? I have no idea. It's certainly a possibility.

But I know where it starts.

It starts with us as a community pulling together right now as a group to send a message loud and clear not just to Shutterstock, but to every agency in the industry. That message is this:

As of this month, the global contributors are no longer yours to abuse with tinpot pricing and peanut royalties. For too long we have been pushed around like herd cattle milked daily for you to take all the cream.

We are not going to continue doing business like this. We are organising. We are working towards a unified front that represents our interests as contributors. And we will win, too, because really at $0.10 a download, what exactly do any of us stand to lose?


Sorry, but that wasn't the point I was trying to make, I don't mean building a contributor-owned stock agency. In fact I think we'd never be able to compete against the market leaders. 

What I'm talking about was: why should Shutterstock care that we all got 'united' on a website with a gallery to show off our work? It wouldn't give us any negotiating power. The images would just be sitting there, except they're not for sale, it's just a gallery. What message does that even spread? Nothing much. Clients would never see it, let alone care about our little coalition. We'd be as powerless as we are here, talking amongst ourselves.

For any power play we'd need to collectively pull our images, but we have no idea how many people would join that plan.

Suppose the coalition becomes a starting point for a small movement, even then we'd be lucky if we got 1% of all contributors on board. And that won't be enough.

So I ask you, what's the plan of action once the website is up and running? What are we organising? What action is the 'unified front' going to undertake? Are we going to protest in front of the ShutterStock HQ, #ContributorLivesMatter?
No the real plan of the coalition is to steel pictures frome the contributors in the Fb-groupe and start a ultimate Wallpaper for free site with ten 1500px images.
 :'(

Noedelhap

  • www.colincramm.com

« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2020, 17:07 »
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...what's the plan of action once the website is up and running? What are we organising? What action is the 'unified front' going to undertake?

The unified front is figuring that out. In the meantime, halting uploads and disabling portfolios continues with #BoycottShutterstock to keep some pressure on the Shutterstock execs.

You may not think the boycott will work. The execs can't be sure that it won't. That'll do for a Thursday :)

Oh, I think a direct boycott of halting uploads/deleting portfolios can certainly work wonders against Shutterstock, if only for a while.
I just wasn't sure what the effectivity of a coalition website is. But I'm all ears to hear what kind of cunning plans the coalition can come up with.

« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2020, 17:24 »
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  And co-opting Black Lives Matter when people are literally fighting for their lives is so uncool.

They keep doing this despite being told how stupid it looks.

« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2020, 23:07 »
+3
And comparing contributors to slaves.  ::) >:(


 

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