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ShadySue

« on: September 01, 2013, 04:46 »
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iS: Compared to July 13, $$ up 25%, making it my second-worst month in three years. That was almost solely down to better rpd, as the dls were only 4% up.
     Compared to Aug 12: $$ down 18%, dls down 30%
     Compared to Aug 11: $$ down 35%, dls down c60%
In the second week, I thought things were turning for the better, but the last two weeks, especially the last week, were grim.

Pretty certain collections is impacting me hard, as some of my old better sellers were promoted, without deserving the + price hike; and some of my low-supply, low demand images were demoted - they sell as occasionally as ever, but at a much lower price. Insanity.

GI: Although I reported no GI July sales in another thread, it turns out I had two, but the $$ were so small, I didn't notice at the time. Oh - I must have had some more files made S+  :(. Last month I had a bit over 20% of eligible files waiting to transfer to Getty, but now it looks like almost 30%.

Alamy: Over 40% of what I made at iStock, despite being caught up in the mass refund that many people reported over there early in the month. Holding steady while iS freefalls.

FAA: 0 - my own fault, still havent put anything new/arty up, though I have a work in progress.

And for those who say you cant make any money from Flickr, my 50 cheque came in from last month.  ;D  Small change to many of you, but I make no effort to sell from Flickr, so it's an inexpected and welcome bonus.  :)
« Last Edit: September 01, 2013, 06:09 by ShadySue »


Tror

« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2013, 05:54 »
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Depressing month. Many new uploads, falling sales, about 15% less than July...

Beppe Grillo

« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2013, 06:05 »
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Best month till now ($ 2,5 more than July!!  :P) thanks to Shutterstock (July 55% of the income, August 75% of the income. iS bad and worst)

« Last Edit: September 01, 2013, 06:10 by Beppe Grillo »

Ron

« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2013, 06:19 »
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I have stopped uploading to all my agencies except for SS and 123. Fotolia my former second earner, was still on my list until they decided to kill my earnings by 50%

So I will only give my numbers about SS, 123 and Symbiostock. The rest is all the same anyway, no changes, penny work.

Symbiostock, my 2nd BME in a row. August 12.5% up from July
123RF same as July 2013 and up 38% from august 2012
SS August 2013 vs August 2012 +377%
BME over last BME (July 2013) by 25%

« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2013, 06:20 »
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I am up 38% for the new agencies on July, but my portfolio is still growing. I have between 200-400 files on average on the new agencies. Only 10-15% of my portfolio is online with new sites. I am taking it very slow and really hope it will pay off longterm.

Fotolia was the strongest for me,followed by Pond5, then SS,Dreamstime and Deposit. Fotolia is exceeding my expectations, with SS I am a little disappointed at this stage. But I suppose I simply dont have enough files. 50% of the sales on Fotolia are single image downloads, it makes a big difference.

istock sales picked up in volume to the month before but royalties are still a lot lower than what they were before slashing their prices so dramatically.

Ive added macrografiks and Westend61 as new agencies.

Westend61 should give me an outlet for a lot of content that I consider to be my best work but cannot find a home on stocksy because it is not their style. They distribute widely over all the macros including Offset and Alamy. The agencies pick and choose what they want. They also supposedly have a good ranking, so I am curious to see if my files will be selling better than under the Getty House contract. And they also sell from their own site and have a very good name in Germany which will always be my core market.

They do all keywording and uploading to the various agencies, so you just send them your stuff and they take care of the rest. They also share production costs on more advanced shootings and work very closely with their artists. They really have an excellent reputation and I am glad they accepted me. They do edit your submissions and dont accept everything but from what I have heard it is a "normal" evaluation process and not a strict style filter. Which is good because the agencies can then pick and choose what they want for their agency but overall more files from a shoot will get exposure.

macrografiks is new but their niche is my niche and they have a very nice selection of work and a decent price point. They also pay out a very generous 60% to the artist. I hope this will leave them enough money for marketing.

I personally think specialized agencies like stocksy and macrografiks that work closely with their artists are a positive trend for the industry.

I would still like to open my own webshop, but between renovations, moving the studio and uploading new and old files, I dont have time for that now. I also need to produce a much bigger volume of work in the content niche that I think will be interesting for a webshop.

The difference in royalties between video and photos is extreme though. On average this month I got 16 dollars for a video, but the average photo royalty is between 30 cents to 1.71 (excluding stocksy, but they are not micro).

So making more videos should be a priority in production.
« Last Edit: September 01, 2013, 06:39 by cobalt »

« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2013, 06:41 »
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I am on 18 sites including symbiostock and symbiostock is 9th in the earnings this month which is the only thing that matters to me these days..

I hope it's going to continue climbing up in the coming months..

« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2013, 07:12 »
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I want to look into symbiostock over the christmas holidays. I would love to have a webshop that is connected with other people from msg. Maybe on the microstockexpo in Berlin I can learn more about from people who are active. It is not just having to work with computers and software that is scaring me, it is also the whole VAT /tax issue in Europe if I start to sell directly from my own site. Working through agencies makes this easier, it is their job to handle it correctly.

That is why I am even considering to open a shop on Photoshelter. Because they are a US company and charge the customer directly, it is easier for me tax wise. They may only take 10% royalty but I can still bill it as being sold via a US agency.
« Last Edit: September 01, 2013, 07:26 by cobalt »

« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2013, 07:27 »
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I want to look into symbiostock over the christmas holidays. I would love to have a webshop that is connected with other people from msg. Maybe on the microstockexpo in Berlin I can learn more about from people who are active.


There is understandably a lot of enthusiasm for Symbiostock here at MSG and it is certainly an impressive project. But there is a lot of stuff which they are going to have to work out between them before it will be ready for the mainstream IMO. I have been following the project with great interest - partly just because I love all things Open Source.

I was surprised reading the thread about taxation to see the lack of group knowledge about taxation issues - particularly US and non EU contributors seemingly unaware that they need to be levying VAT on EU sales of digital goods. I have added some information to that thread at http://www.microstockgroup.com/symbiostock-general/symbiostock-script-vat-tax-question/msg341929 * which is hopefully helpful and relevant especially to people based outside of the EU. Obviously it affects the whole network that all parts of the network should be compliant.

If I was setting up a web shop which was anything other than experimental I think I would be looking at a more mature platform for the moment at least.

* I cannot get the direct link to the post to work. So you would have to scroll down to find the bit I posted.

Ron

« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2013, 07:33 »
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I want to look into symbiostock over the christmas holidays. I would love to have a webshop that is connected with other people from msg. Maybe on the microstockexpo in Berlin I can learn more about from people who are active.


There is understandably a lot of enthusiasm for Symbiostock here at MSG and it is certainly an impressive project. But there is a lot of stuff which they are going to have to work out between them before it will be ready for the mainstream IMO. I have been following the project with great interest - partly just because I love all things Open Source.

I was surprised reading the thread about taxation to see the lack of group knowledge about taxation issues - particularly US and non EU contributors seemingly unaware that they need to be levying VAT on EU sales of digital goods. I have added some information to that thread at http://www.microstockgroup.com/symbiostock-general/symbiostock-script-vat-tax-question/msg341929 * which is hopefully helpful and relevant especially to people based outside of the EU. Obviously it affects the whole network that all parts of the network should be compliant.

If I was setting up a web shop which was anything other than experimental I think I would be looking at a more mature platform for the moment at least.

* I cannot get the direct link to the post to work. So you would have to scroll down to find the bit I posted.
Personally I dont have to work out anything between anybody using a Symbiostock set up. They are all individual sites. My site is my site, and I dont need to charge VAT, its the Irish tax laws I have to abide with. What anybody else does is none of my business. SYmbiostock is not an agency, its just the name of the software but there is a community behind it. All sites are individuals, even if there is a network option.

« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2013, 07:44 »
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Personally I dont have to work out anything between anybody using a Symbiostock set up. They are all individual sites. My site is my site, and I dont need to charge VAT, its the Irish tax laws I have to abide with. What anybody else does is none of my business. SYmbiostock is not an agency, its just the name of the software but there is a community behind it. All sites are individuals, even if there is a network option.

Some of the information you posted about Irish Tax seem to miss several issues.

For example AFAIK the sale of digital goods should be recorded as services. The turnover threshold for services is lower than for physical goods I believe. Granted you are still probably likely to be within the limits which might be 35k. ** This is not tax or legal advice **

There is also the business about you potentially needing to, for example, register for VAT in S Africa - if any sales happen there. Otherwise it may impact your potential customers. Again - this is not advice. You need to find out from an expert.

Other countries may equally require that local taxes are collected and recorded. Mature sales platforms have checkouts, sometimes even locally registered offices, which take these issues into account.

And yes it does matter that all sites within a network do things properly - because otherwise over time the network as a whole will have a poor reputation - whether or not individual sites do things properly.

Ron

« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2013, 07:52 »
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What is a mature platform? I am a sole trader, not a global agency.

« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2013, 07:54 »
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I want to look into symbiostock over the christmas holidays. I would love to have a webshop that is connected with other people from msg. Maybe on the microstockexpo in Berlin I can learn more about from people who are active.


There is understandably a lot of enthusiasm for Symbiostock here at MSG and it is certainly an impressive project. But there is a lot of stuff which they are going to have to work out between them before it will be ready for the mainstream IMO. I have been following the project with great interest - partly just because I love all things Open Source.

I was surprised reading the thread about taxation to see the lack of group knowledge about taxation issues - particularly US and non EU contributors seemingly unaware that they need to be levying VAT on EU sales of digital goods. I have added some information to that thread at http://www.microstockgroup.com/symbiostock-general/symbiostock-script-vat-tax-question/msg341929 * which is hopefully helpful and relevant especially to people based outside of the EU. Obviously it affects the whole network that all parts of the network should be compliant.

If I was setting up a web shop which was anything other than experimental I think I would be looking at a more mature platform for the moment at least.

* I cannot get the direct link to the post to work. So you would have to scroll down to find the bit I posted.
Personally I dont have to work out anything between anybody using a Symbiostock set up. They are all individual sites. My site is my site, and I dont need to charge VAT, its the Irish tax laws I have to abide with. What anybody else does is none of my business. SYmbiostock is not an agency, its just the name of the software but there is a community behind it. All sites are individuals, even if there is a network option.


I understand the points bhr makes but he/she needs to study this post well..

Especially the bit where Ron says we are all independent sites.. apart from linking to each other for SEO benefits we don't have to work anything out between each other..

We don't have to have standards across the network..

Not your thing? Fair enough.. it's not compulsory to join..

« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2013, 07:58 »
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What is a mature platform? I am a sole trader, not a global agency.

Apparently you have got to have offices all around the world  :D

1 office in south Africa for 1 sale per month :)

« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2013, 08:04 »
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We don't have to have standards across the network..

You don't have to no. But if some of the sites don't comply with potential legal requirements or accounting best practice I think that has the potential to undermine customer faith in the project as a whole. When 18 months down the road their accountants start asking why they have not got a proper VAT receipt for example.

A web shop / platform is not only about the software. It's also about the depth of professional knowledge which an agency would otherwise provide - eg legal and accounting.

« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2013, 09:20 »
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« Last Edit: May 12, 2014, 09:56 by Audi 5000 »

« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2013, 09:24 »
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Going back to August sales ...  ;)

SS marginally over august 2012
DT slipped under aug 12 but they got me 2 BMEs in last 4 months so cant complain abt occasional dips
PD gradually growing trend and up in line with uploads
IS fallen off - I have deactivated fair amount of content as well
FT cant find growth compared to uploads done - RPD declines ...
123RF - also slower and I think the rate changes hurt and continues to..
Canstock - saved by one better value sale otherwise a disaster
Veer - very low, almost negligible sales
Bigstock - increased up a little - but the sale volume in no way justifies the very low sub rate
Alamy - nothing

Overall, and in relation to the uploads done during past year (fair comparison basis), august 2013 continued the trend of not producing reasonable returns. 

In good part and in my opinion, the problem lies with most/ many agencies now offering ridiculously low sub rates WITHOUT generating enough sales volume to satisfy contributor efforts in portfolio building (SS is one clear exception for me because they do much better volume). 


steheap

  • Author of best selling "Get Started in Stock"

« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2013, 09:59 »
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My August Sales were nothing special. Shutterstock was going to have a really slow month, but I managed two Single sale for over $100 each and just one ED, which brought it back into reasonable levels. Overall I failed to hit the $2000 bar that I like to think of as my target, ending up with around $1960 or so. No sign of earnings yet on the SignElements site, so I have guessed at that.
Top line graph is below, with more details, as usual, on my blog.


Steve


« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2013, 11:26 »
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Shutterstock: BME in total sales (1,560); total earnings down a little, $40 from BME
123RF: BME, No. 2 earner, although only 10 percent of what I get from Shutterstock
Bigstock: Passed Dreamstime and Fotolia in earnings and total downloads
Dreamstime, Fotolia, Canstock, Veer, Deposit Photos: Just enough earnings for payouts, that's about it. Those sites are slow and slowing.

 

« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2013, 12:11 »
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July and August were not good.
ss up 10% from 2012, but thats not enough since june 2013 was up many more percent.

fot did well in July and August
Dreamstime upcoming.
SS was weak.
Generally I was hit hard by the summer slump.

« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2013, 23:04 »
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1st - SS 45.1%
3rd - IS 6.8%
4th - 123RF 4.3%
8th - FT 2.9%
10th - DT 1.8%

outside the "usual top 5" and on 29 agencies - 39.1%

« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2013, 02:28 »
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August was completely pathetic across the board.  All sales are way down from last year also.

I've usually seen my revenue from year to year go up and I'm afraid that this year it's going to go down as I'm absolutely nowhere near the numbers I was making last year.

On a strange note I made more at BigStock this month than DT so go figure.  DT doesn't even make my top four.

Top 4:

SS
CanStock
DP
FT

« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2013, 08:23 »
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August was slightly down from July this year which is rather uncommon.  I didn't upload much this month however which could have something to do with the numbers.  Most sites were on their avg % of my earnings but iStock was down from a usual 8% down to 5% of my earnings. 

%'s from the big earners are
Shutterstock 49%
Fotolia 15%
All the little guys 10%
123RF 7%
Dreamstime 5%
iStock 5%
Depositphotos 4%
Bigstock 3%

I'm still eager to see how the fall plays out.

« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2013, 08:27 »
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« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2013, 10:11 »
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August has been my best month the past few years, but not this time.  I was down 9% on July and down 17% on August 2012.  Shutterstock was #1 at 32% (down 21% on July), 123RF was #2 at 25% (flat vs. July), iStock was #3 at 11% (down 45%), PhotoDune was #4 at 8% (up 58%), Dreamstime #5 at 8% (up 52%), Deposit #6 at 7% (up 14%), Canstock #7 at 4% (up 37%), BigStock #8 at 3% (down 4%), SignElements #9 at 1% (up 80%), and a bunch of stragglers at less than 1% each.

« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2013, 10:47 »
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Only SS was steady in August (Though 25% lower than July). DT, FT, IS and 123RF sales were very poor.
DNBB


 

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