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namussi

« on: July 22, 2018, 08:17 »
+7
I do enjoy reading threads from years back.

The same old names keep making the same old predictions that microstock is going to get worse.

And you know what, they are often right: commissions fall, competition increases, nice agencies turn nasty, and other agencies go bust.

But the same old names keep on moaning.

Why do they continue with microstock if they get so little enjoyment?

They seem to enjoy the misery and the broken dreams.


NB I am NOT moaning about moaning.
« Last Edit: July 23, 2018, 05:41 by namussi »


Shelma1

  • stockcoalition.org
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2018, 08:20 »
+16
You're moaner #1. All you seem to do here is moan about people moaning. You even start threads moaning about people moaning.

namussi

« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2018, 08:24 »
+5
You're moaner #1. All you seem to do here is moan about people moaning. You even start threads moaning about people moaning.

I'm trying to understand why people are moaning so much. Why do you moan so much, for example?

Shelma1

  • stockcoalition.org
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2018, 09:32 »
+9
You're moaner #1. All you seem to do here is moan about people moaning. You even start threads moaning about people moaning.

I'm trying to understand why people are moaning so much. Why do you moan so much, for example?

Why do you start threads moaning about moaning?

Clair Voyant

« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2018, 09:53 »
+6
MSG is a very depressing place overall. I think misery loves company. A majority of today's stock photographers will fail, and not even realize why, so it is so much easier to blame everything under the sun than to accept they don't have what it takes to succeed. In today's world of instant like, it is so easy to have an 'ego page' on countless social media outlets that give you the warm fuzzies. Selling stock however is not the same as being a special unicorn with insant gratification and ego boosting fuzzies.

OP... starting a post and wondering why people complain on a complainers group will solve nothing. You'd be further ahead to check in to this group once a month and skim for the sprinkling of positive and good information than to time suck your precious life worrying about negativity. The time saved could be put forward to shooting and uploading to your chosen outlets.

And if I can make any suggestion it is that you don't engage with the complainers, as you fuel the fire of complaining and unkowingly become one. As you have above, debating with one of the #1 moaners because they claim you are the #1 moaner shows the level intellect in this forum overall.


ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2018, 10:27 »
+7
You're moaner #1. All you seem to do here is moan about people moaning. You even start threads moaning about people moaning.

I'm trying to understand why people are moaning so much. Why do you moan so much, for example?

Why do you start threads moaning about moaning?
Because he's a troll.
Why would he think that microstock was supposed to be "for enjoyment". Nice if you do, but it's work. SM is for "enjoyment".

namussi

« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2018, 18:39 »
+3
You're moaner #1. All you seem to do here is moan about people moaning. You even start threads moaning about people moaning.

I'm trying to understand why people are moaning so much. Why do you moan so much, for example?

Why do you start threads moaning about moaning?
Because he's a troll.
Why would he think that microstock was supposed to be "for enjoyment". Nice if you do, but it's work. SM is for "enjoyment".

Alright then, why do so many moaners keep working at something that, they say, is getting worse (and has been getting worse for years)?

More and more effort for less and less money... why are you still doing it?






« Last Edit: July 22, 2018, 18:45 by namussi »

nobody

« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2018, 18:57 »
+1
none of us enjoy getting paid less commissions. We hope that things will get better in the end. The model of loading up images and getting paid while you're sleeping or on vacation is surreal! Thus I keep loading  up new images and moaning at the same time  8)



ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2018, 19:05 »
+3
You're moaner #1. All you seem to do here is moan about people moaning. You even start threads moaning about people moaning.

I'm trying to understand why people are moaning so much. Why do you moan so much, for example?

Why do you start threads moaning about moaning?
Because he's a troll.
Why would he think that microstock was supposed to be "for enjoyment". Nice if you do, but it's work. SM is for "enjoyment".

Alright then, why do so many moaners keep working at something that, they say, is getting worse (and has been getting worse for years)?

More and more effort for less and less money... why are you still doing it?
If you're talking to me, I haven't uploaded to iS for over two years (mainly due to them introducing subs, and all the other sh*t) and never even applied to - any other micros. I still have my old port at iS, and only upload to Alamy.
Doesn't mean I don't have opinions; and as it's a free world, I'll share them if I wish.
My tuppence worth is as valuable as yours, but as you're a troll I'm out of this thread.

fritz

  • I love Tom and Jerry music

« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2018, 19:10 »
0
“Spending today complaining about yesterday won’t make tomorrow any better.”

https://truththeory.com/2016/07/11/how-complaining-rewires-your-brain-for-negativity-and-how-to-break-the-habit/

namussi

« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2018, 19:55 »
+2
You're moaner #1. All you seem to do here is moan about people moaning. You even start threads moaning about people moaning.

I'm trying to understand why people are moaning so much. Why do you moan so much, for example?

Why do you start threads moaning about moaning?
Because he's a troll.
Why would he think that microstock was supposed to be "for enjoyment". Nice if you do, but it's work. SM is for "enjoyment".

Alright then, why do so many moaners keep working at something that, they say, is getting worse (and has been getting worse for years)?

More and more effort for less and less money... why are you still doing it?
If you're talking to me, I haven't uploaded to iS for over two years (mainly due to them introducing subs, and all the other sh*t) and never even applied to - any other micros. I still have my old port at iS, and only upload to Alamy.
Doesn't mean I don't have opinions; and as it's a free world, I'll share them if I wish.
My tuppence worth is as valuable as yours, but as you're a troll I'm out of this thread.

To call someone a troll and then run away is in itself an act of trolling.

« Last Edit: July 22, 2018, 20:05 by namussi »

namussi

« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2018, 20:01 »
+1
You're moaner #1. All you seem to do here is moan about people moaning. You even start threads moaning about people moaning.

I'm trying to understand why people are moaning so much. Why do you moan so much, for example?

Why do you start threads moaning about moaning?

Why didn't you answer the question?

I'm not actually moaning.

I'm trying to understand why people make predictions about doom and gloom, that turn out to be accurate, but don't actually act on them.


« Last Edit: July 22, 2018, 20:06 by namussi »

namussi

« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2018, 20:03 »
+1


OP... starting a post and wondering why people complain on a complainers group will solve nothing.
.

I never set out to solve anything. I just want to understand what makes people tick.

dpimborough

« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2018, 02:14 »
+2
Why the quote from 1984?

Seems over the top and the whole premise of the thread is just the usual passive agressive stance I've come to expect from Namussi.  They along with two others on this forum just like to start arguments.

I'll moan as much as I like about falling revenues from MS  I don't need self appointed thought police scuttling round saying I shouldn't :D

On a positive note I make more money from a single day shooting property than I do from some agencies in a month. As a result I shoot and provide less and less to MS.

However the earnings from micro stock are a useful extra source of income even if it is on the decline however there's going to come a day when it will provide next to nothing and that will be taht.

However rights managed income is increasing and compensates for the drop off in micro income and I don't complain about that :)

 

dpimborough

« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2018, 02:15 »
+2


OP... starting a post and wondering why people complain on a complainers group will solve nothing.
.



I never set out to solve anything. I just want to understand what makes people tick.

Nah that's not the real reason, you know it, I know it and everyone else knows it.

namussi

« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2018, 02:20 »
0


OP... starting a post and wondering why people complain on a complainers group will solve nothing.
.



I never set out to solve anything. I just want to understand what makes people tick.

Nah that's not the real reason, you know it, I know it and everyone else knows it.

Which is?

Chichikov

« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2018, 02:52 »
+2


« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2018, 03:11 »
+3
I always liked moaners better than screamers.

dpimborough

« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2018, 03:17 »
0


OP... starting a post and wondering why people complain on a complainers group will solve nothing.
.



I never set out to solve anything. I just want to understand what makes people tick.

Nah that's not the real reason, you know it, I know it and everyone else knows it.

Which is?

Passive agressive behaviour

namussi

« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2018, 05:36 »
+1


OP... starting a post and wondering why people complain on a complainers group will solve nothing.
.



I never set out to solve anything. I just want to understand what makes people tick.

Nah that's not the real reason, you know it, I know it and everyone else knows it.

Which is?

Passive agressive behaviour

That's not a reason. That's a description.

nobody

« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2018, 11:30 »
0
I always liked moaners better than screamers.

remember this site is 'PG-13' rated  ;D

« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2018, 14:47 »
+5
You're moaner #1. All you seem to do here is moan about people moaning. You even start threads moaning about people moaning.

I'm trying to understand why people are moaning so much. Why do you moan so much, for example?

Why do you start threads moaning about moaning?

Why didn't you answer the question?

I'm not actually moaning.

I'm trying to understand why people make predictions about doom and gloom, that turn out to be accurate, but don't actually act on them.

All this moaning fills a specific purpose for different people:

1- the pleasure of venting about what you don't like in the business. We all have frustration and happiness moments. When the first appear it is easy and sometimes a relief to post it somewhere.

2- There are and have been really shady actions taken by some agencies and making people aware might be mistaken as moaning. I prefer to see it as an advice to some that might not know. Knowledge is always good even if the post is written in a "moaning" tone

3- I also think that doom and gloom is happening in front of our eyes everyday. Contributors try (or not) to compensate in some ways. Some people "moaning" about specific situations has many times valuable information of the state of the business.

Personally I don't care about the tone of a post as long as I can get useful information about it than can improve my business or reroute it to greener pastures.

I think we can all still learn valuable lessons in this forum. And those "moaning posts" are just part of it.

« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2018, 22:12 »
+4
I'll play.  And I'll offer my opinion sincerely and without irony:

I think people like to moan and read people moaning because...

1) When our sales are bad, we want to know that sales are bad for others too.  Otherwise, there's something wrong with what we're doing.  But if everyone is feeling the pain, and maybe even worse pain than what we're feeling, we take comfort that we're not alone.  Misery loves company.

2) We recognize that the flood of new contributors is killing us, and we want to discourage additional competitors from jumping on board.  Sure, this is partly selfish, but it's also helping people from getting started in what is now a losing game.  When I decided to jump into this, I was encouraged by people bragging in this very forum about how much money they made.  No one brags now, aside from newbies who OF COURSE make more today with their 500 pictures than their 10 pictures they had six months ago. 

But to any potential new contributors, understand this as the New Reality of Microstock: experienced contributors with 10,000 pictures today are making half of what they made five years ago with 5,000 pictures.   Yes, some will have variations on these numbers, but there's no disputing that this is the TREND and the FUTURE WILL GET EVEN WORSE.

Moaning, yes.  But the truth.  And to the OP's question... why do I moan and keep doing this?  For the first time in ten years, I am considering stopping.  It's been causing me to become quite depressed, and I may soon decide that it's just not worth the heartache.

« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2018, 01:38 »
+1
I think most people enjoy a moan about aspects of their life/employment and like to share that experience. However there does come a point where moaning about the same thing for several years without acting on it becomes bad for well being. It does puzzle me that people who seem so unhappy about something continue on the same path. If you are a "photographer" rather than a "micro stock photographer" then surely you would pursue other paths if this one isn't working for you...?


 

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