Author Topic: Dollar photo club (Read 26357 times)

Gino · « **Reply #25 on:** April 08, 2014, 03:34 »

I have not seen a negative impact in sales. My sales have been climbing since the last 2 months and I have not uploaded to many new images. So it might be that this $club is a good thing and give more new sales? As long as sales are okey I don't see any problem with a new approach.

niserin · « **Reply #26 on:** April 08, 2014, 03:43 »

Quote from: Gino on April 08, 2014, 03:34

I have not seen a negative impact in sales. My sales have been climbing since the last 2 months and I have not uploaded to many new images. So it might be that this $club is a good thing and give more new sales? As long as sales are okey I don't see any problem with a new approach.

So do I!
I just hope not too many buyers will migrate from Fotolia to this club.

stocked · « **Reply #27 on:** April 08, 2014, 07:04 »

Quote from: niserin on April 08, 2014, 03:00

A big banner on the main Fotolia site of the Polish version as well.

really? If I look at pl.fotolia.com I can't see a banner for the DollarPhotoClub

niserin · « **Reply #28 on:** April 08, 2014, 07:25 »

Quote from: stocked on April 08, 2014, 07:04

Quote from: niserin on April 08, 2014, 03:00
A big banner on the main Fotolia site of the Polish version as well.
really? If I look at pl.fotolia.com I can't see a banner for the DollarPhotoClub

Well... I am based in Poland and see the big banner both on the main page and the contributor page.

stocked · « **Reply #29 on:** April 08, 2014, 08:13 »

Quote from: niserin on April 08, 2014, 07:25

Quote from: stocked on April 08, 2014, 07:04
Quote from: niserin on April 08, 2014, 03:00
A big banner on the main Fotolia site of the Polish version as well.
really? If I look at pl.fotolia.com I can't see a banner for the DollarPhotoClub

Well... I am based in Poland and see the big banner both on the main page and the contributor page.

Interesting thanks!

Metsafile · « **Reply #30 on:** April 08, 2014, 12:44 »

The disparity in prices and revenue between sites is immense.
The dollar club is selling a image for a buck and giving me 25 cents
and same image on alamy costs 292 and I’m pocketing 146 dollars.
It all makes for an uncomfortable gut feeling.

gostwyck · « **Reply #31 on:** April 08, 2014, 14:14 »

I've only just noticed the DPC banners and then this thread.

It's actually much worse than it first appears. On the splash page it says this;

$1 an image. Always.
26 million high-res images and vectors
Business-ready royalty free license
Unlimited print runs
Unlimited image use
Social media ready

"Unlimited image use" basically means every image downloaded is effectively a free EL for any use whatsoever doesn't it? So we're getting a few cents for EL's courtesy of the DPC?

Dook · « **Reply #32 on:** April 08, 2014, 14:39 »

They are desperate.

oscarcwilliams · « **Reply #33 on:** April 08, 2014, 15:16 »

It is getting harder and harder to make money with mircostock these days. How did we as photographers let all these cuts make it acceptable to take our art work for granted?

Ariene · « **Reply #34 on:** April 08, 2014, 16:01 »

Quote from: oscarcwilliams on April 08, 2014, 15:16

It is getting harder and harder to make money with mircostock these days. How did we as photographers let all these cuts make it acceptable to take our art work for granted?

Let me see... Did "YOU" accept less than 50% for you? Yes?
Did you accept selling your image for 1$? (even less) Yes?
...
Are you surprised that you have to work for free today? Yes?

No more questions from me. Good luck in your success...

Cesar · « **Reply #35 on:** April 08, 2014, 16:37 »

it is true, nobody say we need to protest, make petetiton, stop uploading everbody, we are working for 2-7$/hour, 7$ per hour cost cleaner in Ukraine.

Red Dove · « **Reply #36 on:** April 08, 2014, 16:42 »

FT, IS and a couple others look like they are sinking - with everyone on board baling out like mad but not realizing they are dumping the water into the each others' boats. Madness.

CD123 · « **Reply #37 on:** April 08, 2014, 17:09 »

Haven't been around for a while, so am I missing something here. A few months back it was "They cut our commission! Grab your torches and pitchforks, we are going to burn them down!"
If I read this thread, "Well they seem to sell more, so guess it's OK that they give our images on EL licenses nearly for free away then..."

EmberMike · « **Reply #38 on:** April 08, 2014, 17:18 »

Quote from: Ariene on April 08, 2014, 16:01

Let me see... Did "YOU" accept less than 50% for you? Yes?
Did you accept selling your image for 1$? (even less) Yes?
...
Are you surprised that you have to work for free today? Yes?

No more questions from me. Good luck in your success...

We signed on for some less than decent deals, but no one signed on for these crazy partner programs and redistribution arrangements. Most of these things, just like Dollar Photo Club, have come into existence after the fact.

And when I started in microstock, there were some partner deals already in place but nothing like what we have today. Certainly not like the DP stuff where neither the artist nor the company have any idea sometimes who the partners are and where the images end up.

So in short, no, I didn't accept this.

gostwyck · « **Reply #39 on:** April 08, 2014, 17:24 »

Quote from: EmberMike on April 08, 2014, 17:18

We signed on for some less than decent deals, but no one signed on for these crazy partner programs and redistribution arrangements. Most of these things, just like Dollar Photo Club, have come into existence after the fact.

And when I started in microstock, there were some partner deals already in place but nothing like what we have today. Certainly not like the DP stuff where neither the artist nor the company have any idea sometimes who the partners are and where the images end up.

So in short, no, I didn't accept this.

Nor me. I'm absolutely shocked at this development. I am seriously thinking of cancelling my FT account unless we can be provided with an opt-out for this madness.

tickstock · « **Reply #40 on:** April 08, 2014, 17:28 »

“This pricing is very disruptive compared to everything else that exists, including Fotolia,” Tscheltzoff said.
http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/15/fotolia-launches-dollar-photo-club-an-exclusive-club-for-heavy-stock-photo-clients/

Cesar · « **Reply #41 on:** April 08, 2014, 17:28 »

i wrote word woman in fotolia search 12800 images with filter one week, it was sorted by relevance, first five pages are only four big contributors ( vg studio, break media,.....)

heavy mass productions ( they have big production costs), i wonder how they look on dollar photo club.

Anyone know some manager of this contributors? they should stop uploading.

i dont know how we will survive.

lisafx · « **Reply #43 on:** April 08, 2014, 17:38 »

Quote from: MatHayward on April 08, 2014, 17:30

Hi guys,

To set the record straight, DPC does not offer Extended licenses and does not allow for Extended license use with the images. The term "unlimited" referenced above is regarding the print run which is unlimited.

The license agreement can be read here and is pretty straight forward: http://www.dollarphotoclub.com/Info/RoyaltyFreeLicense

To clarify, DPC members cannot use the images on objects that will be resold where the primary value is found with the image. No coffee cups, greeting cards, tee shirts, etc. They cannot distribute the images to multiple clients. To do so they would need to purchase the image each time, etc. For that type of use, DPC members are referred to Fotolia.com where they need to purchase an Extended license.

Cheers,

Mat

Thanks for clarifying Mat, but that is not at all clear in the promotional language Gostwyck referenced above. It reads like they can do anything and everything with the images for only a dollar. If it is confusing to those of us in the industry, how likely is the average customer to understand thaht those limits exist?

MatHayward · « **Reply #44 on:** April 08, 2014, 17:48 »

Hi Lisa,

I think that point could be made with any license agreement in any industry. Layer upon layer of lawyer upon lawyer creating massive documents everywhere. I haven't read the terms and conditions of other sites closely but I would predict there is potential confusion in most, if not all documents such as this.

The first paragraph of the restrictions seems to me to be as clear as can be however:

"(a) No resale: The Member shall have no right to sell or otherwise distribute the Work or any reproductions thereof to any third parties, whether alone or incorporated or together with or onto any item of merchandise or other work of authorship, in any media or format now or hereafter known, unless: (i) the Work has been modified to the extent that it is no longer substantially similar to the original Work, provided however that the modification must be sufficient enough to qualify as an original work of authorship; and/or (ii) the primary value of the item being sold or distributed does not lie with the Work(s) themselves. For greater clarity, it is noted that reproducing the unmodified Work on mugs, t-shirts, posters, or other similar merchandise for resale is not permitted, as primary value would still lie in the Work itself. "

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #45 on:** April 08, 2014, 17:57 »

"Unlimited print" is an EL at most sites. Well not at Getty, but then you're paying $500, not an insulting $1.

Nikovsk · « **Reply #46 on:** April 08, 2014, 18:14 »

So it's advertised as "Unlimited image use" but it's not really the case.

Doesn't make any sense or Fotolia doesn't care that buyers will use the image illegally.

EmberMike · « **Reply #47 on:** April 08, 2014, 18:17 »

Quote from: MatHayward on April 08, 2014, 17:48

...I think that point could be made with any license agreement in any industry. Layer upon layer of lawyer upon lawyer creating massive documents everywhere. I haven't read the terms and conditions of other sites closely but I would predict there is potential confusion in most, if not all documents such as this...

Mat, not many other companies advertise images as "unlimited use" unless they mean exactly that. In fact, I'm not aware of any other major stock company that does so, while having limited uses in actual license terms.

In an industry where there is already a ton of confusion over what licensing allows and what RF actually means (many people still think RF means "unlimited use"), DPC is only adding to the confusion with this "unlimited" language. Especially when "unlimited" doesn't really mean what it says.

trek · « **Reply #48 on:** April 08, 2014, 19:00 »

Fotolia needs to provide an opt out for this terrible deal. If they don't provide an opt out removal of images maybe the best business decision available.

leaf · « **Reply #49 on:** April 08, 2014, 23:25 »

let's move all the conversation here
http://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/fotolia-launches-dollar-photo-club/

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