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Title: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on March 07, 2023, 16:21
Hello everyone,

generative ai is transforming our industry more drastically than the invention of the photocamera transformed art.

Allover the internet creatives are having very emotional discussions and reassessing their personal and business futures.

Is Ai an opportunity, a new tool? Is it the robot overlord that will replace us all? Is there nothing creative left for humanity to explore? Is this the end…?

etc…

To give all these very valid questions a better grounding, I would like to suggest that we use this thread to collect links to interesting and well written articles on the subject.

The technological background, articles and videos how to use it as a tool, links to ongoing court cases and the devolopment of copyright in relation to prompters and users.

And obviously all links or news about how the various agencies are dealing with the issue.

Also those in the community who are journalists or in the media, can you please post the blog posts or articles you write here, whenever you do?


Those that are lawyers, please add anything you find helpful.


Ambassodors of agencies, please add your comments or suggestions or links as well.


Here are my current favorites:



- The AI companies seem to use content collected by this project:

https://laion.ai/blog/laion-5b/ (https://laion.ai/blog/laion-5b/)

They describe in great detail how they literally scraped the entire internet and used the image descriptions and keywords associated with images to create a huge training base for ai software.

Might be worth backing up and saving anything on their website, incase they remove it all later…unless the waybackmachine already has it all, I didn‘t check…

Interestingly, if you want to have your images removed from this „collection“, the project threatens to sue you.

Robert Kneschke discussed this in a German blog post. Hope he follows in up. (run it through deepl for English)

https://www.alltageinesfotoproduzenten.de/2023/02/20/laion-verein-droht-urhebern-die-ihre-daten-aus-ki-trainingssatz-nehmen-wollen-mit-schadensersatzanspruechen/ (https://www.alltageinesfotoproduzenten.de/2023/02/20/laion-verein-droht-urhebern-die-ihre-daten-aus-ki-trainingssatz-nehmen-wollen-mit-schadensersatzanspruechen/)

- In an interview, the CEO of Midjourney admits that they were not picky about choosing training content and that he believes it is impossible to find the copyright owners of images visible on the internet.

https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/midjourney-founder-basically-admits-to-copyright-breaching-and-artists-are-angry (https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/midjourney-founder-basically-admits-to-copyright-breaching-and-artists-are-angry)


- Gettyimages is suing various AI creators for copyright breach. They explicitly state they are not against the technology, but they demand a correct licensing of the training data.

Here are a few links

https://newsroom.gettyimages.com/en/getty-images/getty-images-statement? (https://newsroom.gettyimages.com/en/getty-images/getty-images-statement?)]https://newsroom.gettyimages.com/en/getty-images/getty-images-statement?[/url]%20fbclid=IwAR0QZsgm810ysqQaEXGzgCEUDHMGTrj9S1e3S_urdge-SuDrsAKxfF-%20bKbQ


https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/6/23587393/ai-art-copyright-lawsuit-getty-images-stable-diffusion (https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/6/23587393/ai-art-copyright-lawsuit-getty-images-stable-diffusion)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattnovak/2023/02/06/getty-images-sues-ai-company-over-hideous-frankenphotos/?sh=1f775c7640b2 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattnovak/2023/02/06/getty-images-sues-ai-company-over-hideous-frankenphotos/?sh=1f775c7640b2)

- Shutterstock announced they will let customers use dall-e to generate content and that the ai is trained on the ss collection. They announce they will pay artists a small fee whenever their files are somehow used in a recreation.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/25/23422359/shutterstock-ai-generated-art-openai-dall-e-partnership-contributors-fund-reimbursement (https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/25/23422359/shutterstock-ai-generated-art-openai-dall-e-partnership-contributors-fund-reimbursement)

- This is a general article about legal risks with ai

https://www.siliconrepublic.com/machines/ai-generated-images-legal-risks-copyright (https://www.siliconrepublic.com/machines/ai-generated-images-legal-risks-copyright)

- Not related to images, but this article discusses the rpoblems actors face who are asked to sign away voice rights whenever they do a voice job.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/5d37za/voice-actors-sign-away-rights-to-artificial-intelligence (https://www.vice.com/en/article/5d37za/voice-actors-sign-away-rights-to-artificial-intelligence)

I am sure there is a lot more out there. Please add your favorite links.

Hope you find this thread useful.




Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on March 07, 2023, 16:40
Generative Ai content for Adobe, Helpdesk article on how and what to upload

https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/generative-ai-content.html (https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/generative-ai-content.html)

Article about generative ai on Dreamstime

https://www.dreamstime.com/blog/dreamstime-now-accepting-ai-generated-content-under-specific-terms-59030 (https://www.dreamstime.com/blog/dreamstime-now-accepting-ai-generated-content-under-specific-terms-59030)

In a different thread I read that pond5, alamy, mostphotos and 123rf are also accepting gen ai. But I haven‘t yet found an announcement.

Anyone have that?
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cascoly on March 08, 2023, 15:44
thanks for those links & details - hopefully will bring more substantive discussions
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Orchidpoet on March 09, 2023, 12:15
The link to Adobe doesn't work.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on March 09, 2023, 12:32
The link to Adobe doesn't work.

Inadvertent space after the hyphen?

https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/generative-ai-content.html
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on March 09, 2023, 19:52
very weird sorry, i will try to repair them all.

eta: hope they work now. thank you to everyone who alerted me.

I made my copy/paste via my ipad, maybe there is a problem there. works fine with my computer.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: wordplanet on March 10, 2023, 01:43
Generative Ai content for Adobe, Helpdesk article on how and what to upload

https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/generative-ai-content.html (https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/generative-ai-content.html)

Article about generative ai on Dreamstime

https://www.dreamstime.com/blog/dreamstime-now-accepting-ai-generated-content-under-specific-terms-59030 (https://www.dreamstime.com/blog/dreamstime-now-accepting-ai-generated-content-under-specific-terms-59030)

In a different thread I read that pond5, alamy, mostphotos and 123rf are also accepting gen ai. But I haven‘t yet found an announcement.

Anyone have that?

No announcement from Alamy that I'm aware of but a search for "Generative AI" brings up 232,364 images as of 1:30 am on March 10, 2023, so it would appear that they are accepting it. There are some discussions on the forum there.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on March 10, 2023, 01:56
Thank you, I haven‘t uploaded to Alamy in a long time, I will try uploading some now.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on March 10, 2023, 13:38
very weird sorry, i will try to repair them all.

eta: hope they work now. thank you to everyone who alerted me.

I made my copy/paste via my ipad, maybe there is a problem there. works fine with my computer.

I only fixed one, did a number of them go bad because of copy and paste on the iPad. I might do that some day and will need to watch out.

I uploaded some to Alamy I didn't mark them as anything except Illustrations. Maybe that's in the works. I'll watch here.

As for the search, user added description and keywords.  Ai generative Stock Photos and Images(237,843)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cascoly on March 10, 2023, 13:55
I've had AI images accepted by alamy - marked as AI
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on March 10, 2023, 14:02
I've had AI images accepted by alamy - marked as AI

Yes, I'm saying, they don't seem to have a requirement or system label of any sort for identifying them, when uploading? Or do they and I missed it?

I don't see any advantage in marking my images as generated by AI so I don't tag them as that.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: trek on March 17, 2023, 07:14
This makes me reluctant to invest time and money creating AI images: 

No copyright protection for AI images, says US government

https://www.diyphotography.net/no-copyright-protection-for-ai-images-says-us-government/ (https://www.diyphotography.net/no-copyright-protection-for-ai-images-says-us-government/)

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on March 17, 2023, 11:01
This makes me reluctant to invest time and money creating AI images: 

No copyright protection for AI images, says US government

https://www.diyphotography.net/no-copyright-protection-for-ai-images-says-us-government/ (https://www.diyphotography.net/no-copyright-protection-for-ai-images-says-us-government/)


If you see only what you want to see and draw conclusions from that.

Quoted parts are from the above document. Bold is mine.

"V. Conclusion
This policy statement sets out the Office’s approach to registration of works containing material generated by AI technology."

Policy statement, not law.

"The Office recognizes that AI-
generated works implicate other
copyright issues not addressed in this
statement. It has launched an agency-
wide initiative to delve into a wide
range of these issues. Among other
things, the Office intends to publish a
notice of inquiry later this year seeking
public input on additional legal and
policy topics, including how the law
should apply to the use of copyrighted
works in AI training and the resulting
treatment of outputs.
"

Two parts. Legal aspects of training from copyrighted materials and the resulting outputs.

"...a human may select or
arrange AI-generated material in a
sufficiently creative way that ‘‘the
resulting work as a whole constitutes an
original work of authorship.’’ Or an
artist may modify material originally
generated by AI technology to such a
degree that the modifications meet the
standard for copyright protection. In
these cases, copyright will only protect
the human-authored aspects of the
work
, which are ‘‘independent of’’ and
do ‘‘not affect’’ the copyright status of
the AI-generated material itself."

But in addition

"This policy does not mean that
technological tools cannot be part of the
creative process. Authors have long
used such tools to create their works or
to recast, transform, or adapt their
expressive authorship. For example, a
visual artist who uses Adobe Photoshop
to edit an image remains the author of
the modified image
,"

Is the final image transformative and making it a new work. Here's my point. I obtain an AI created image, using my prompts, from one of these computer driven systems. I open and edit it, and transform it, into a new work... it's now mine and I can copyright it. And that's not so much of a stretch if you see some of the artists (this seems to come back to Warhol so often) did the artist change the meaning or the image, enough to make it their own work.

But the main point is, this is the OPINION of the USCO and not the law. It's their current interpretation and policy. Based on legal decisions, the law could change their opinion, or support it. Also the question of, rights to use images that are copyrighted to train the system, needs to be decided.

The answer is, we don't know and neither does the US Copyright Office.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Her Ugliness on March 17, 2023, 11:45

If you see only what you want to see and draw conclusions from that.

"This policy does not mean that
technological tools cannot be part of the
creative process. Authors have long
used such tools to create their works or
to recast, transform, or adapt their
expressive authorship. For example, a
visual artist who uses Adobe Photoshop
to edit an image remains the author of
the modified image
,"

Is the final image transformative and making it a new work. Here's my point. I obtain an AI created image, using my prompts, from one of these computer driven systems. I open and edit it, and transform it, into a new work... it's now mine and I can copyright it.

Same:
"If you see only what you want to see and draw conclusions from that."

That's very obvious not what is meant when they say "For example, a visual artist who uses Adobe Photoshop to edit an image remains the author of the modified image"

Because they say REMAIN. Which means you need to have owned copyright of the image before you edited it in the first place, so they are talking about editing your own human created artwork, not AI generated images. It does not mean that you become the copyright owner of an AI created image if you edit it in photoshop, because according to the US copyright office you were not the copyright owner of the unedited image, so you cannot "remain" the copyright owner by editing it.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on March 18, 2023, 13:03

If you see only what you want to see and draw conclusions from that.

"This policy does not mean that
technological tools cannot be part of the
creative process. Authors have long
used such tools to create their works or
to recast, transform, or adapt their
expressive authorship. For example, a
visual artist who uses Adobe Photoshop
to edit an image remains the author of
the modified image
,"

Is the final image transformative and making it a new work. Here's my point. I obtain an AI created image, using my prompts, from one of these computer driven systems. I open and edit it, and transform it, into a new work... it's now mine and I can copyright it.

Same:
"If you see only what you want to see and draw conclusions from that."

That's very obvious not what is meant when they say "For example, a visual artist who uses Adobe Photoshop to edit an image remains the author of the modified image"

Because they say REMAIN. Which means you need to have owned copyright of the image before you edited it in the first place, so they are talking about editing your own human created artwork, not AI generated images. It does not mean that you become the copyright owner of an AI created image if you edit it in photoshop, because according to the US copyright office you were not the copyright owner of the unedited image, so you cannot "remain" the copyright owner by editing it.

True, but if you create an image using AI and then edit it, to make a transformative NEW image, they you now have created an image that can be protected. Taking an image that's public domain, fair use or in some cases (as much as I hate it) a copyrighted image, and substantially changing it, makes it a new work.

Your conclusion that someone must own the rights before they can alter and claim protection is not valid. (If you want some examples I'll start a different thread for appropriation art. Which personally I think is just plain stealing.) At least with AI something new is created, that didn't exist before, and then edited to create something else that's new?

Shortest possible answer though is, this is an opinion of the USCO and not a legal decision from the courts. That is yet to be decided.

A. Do these services have the right to use copyrighted images for training?
B. Is a new work, which is the result of human directions, allowed to be protected.
C. Does editing an AI image and substantially altering it, make it a new human created work?

I don't know. I'm just quoting and reading the fine points.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: ADH on March 18, 2023, 16:10
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Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on March 19, 2023, 02:52
The legal part around do we have copyright will probably be discussed for years.

The safest route is probably to have a seed image to start from.

But if you are interested in creating ai content for stock you know from the getgo that legally you are in murky waters.

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Diana Herrmann on March 19, 2023, 05:24

If you see only what you want to see and draw conclusions from that.

"This policy does not mean that
technological tools cannot be part of the
creative process. Authors have long
used such tools to create their works or
to recast, transform, or adapt their
expressive authorship. For example, a
visual artist who uses Adobe Photoshop
to edit an image remains the author of
the modified image
,"

Is the final image transformative and making it a new work. Here's my point. I obtain an AI created image, using my prompts, from one of these computer driven systems. I open and edit it, and transform it, into a new work... it's now mine and I can copyright it.

Same:
"If you see only what you want to see and draw conclusions from that."

That's very obvious not what is meant when they say "For example, a visual artist who uses Adobe Photoshop to edit an image remains the author of the modified image"

Because they say REMAIN. Which means you need to have owned copyright of the image before you edited it in the first place, so they are talking about editing your own human created artwork, not AI generated images. It does not mean that you become the copyright owner of an AI created image if you edit it in photoshop, because according to the US copyright office you were not the copyright owner of the unedited image, so you cannot "remain" the copyright owner by editing it.

Sorry you have twisted the meaning by picking out the word remain. They are saying you don't lose your rights by editing in Photoshop. I can take an AI image and become the owner of a new human created artwork by editing.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Her Ugliness on March 19, 2023, 06:03

If you see only what you want to see and draw conclusions from that.

"This policy does not mean that
technological tools cannot be part of the
creative process. Authors have long
used such tools to create their works or
to recast, transform, or adapt their
expressive authorship. For example, a
visual artist who uses Adobe Photoshop
to edit an image remains the author of
the modified image
,"

Is the final image transformative and making it a new work. Here's my point. I obtain an AI created image, using my prompts, from one of these computer driven systems. I open and edit it, and transform it, into a new work... it's now mine and I can copyright it.

Same:
"If you see only what you want to see and draw conclusions from that."

That's very obvious not what is meant when they say "For example, a visual artist who uses Adobe Photoshop to edit an image remains the author of the modified image"

Because they say REMAIN. Which means you need to have owned copyright of the image before you edited it in the first place, so they are talking about editing your own human created artwork, not AI generated images. It does not mean that you become the copyright owner of an AI created image if you edit it in photoshop, because according to the US copyright office you were not the copyright owner of the unedited image, so you cannot "remain" the copyright owner by editing it.

Sorry you have twisted the meaning by picking out the word remain. They are saying you don't lose your rights by editing in Photoshop. I can take an AI image and become the owner of a new human created artwork by editing.

No, you have twisted the meaning by completely ignoring the word remain.
Yes, they are saying you don't lose your rights by editing in Photoshop. -  The right to an image you had the copyrigfht to begin with, otherwise the word "remain" would be pointless in that sentence. You can't remain something you had not been before.
I am not sure how you can call that "twisting". I am not the one twisting anything, it's written there, exactly like this:
"a visual artist who uses Adobe Photoshop to edit an image remains the author of the modified image".
 The word remain is there, I did not make that up.
If they were refering to AI generated images where, according to them, you do  not have copyrigh, the sentence would be
"a visual artist who uses Adobe Photoshop to edit an image becomes the author of the modified image".
Two completely different things.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on March 19, 2023, 11:03
The legal part around do we have copyright will probably be discussed for years.

The safest route is probably to have a seed image to start from.

But if you are interested in creating ai content for stock you know from the get go that legally you are in murky waters.

(https://i.postimg.cc/CKjFbbH1/Nailed-It-400.jpg)

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on March 19, 2023, 11:39

If you see only what you want to see and draw conclusions from that.

"This policy does not mean that
technological tools cannot be part of the
creative process. Authors have long
used such tools to create their works or
to recast, transform, or adapt their
expressive authorship. For example, a
visual artist who uses Adobe Photoshop
to edit an image remains the author of
the modified image
,"

Is the final image transformative and making it a new work. Here's my point. I obtain an AI created image, using my prompts, from one of these computer driven systems. I open and edit it, and transform it, into a new work... it's now mine and I can copyright it.

Same:
"If you see only what you want to see and draw conclusions from that."

That's very obvious not what is meant when they say "For example, a visual artist who uses Adobe Photoshop to edit an image remains the author of the modified image"

Because they say REMAIN. Which means you need to have owned copyright of the image before you edited it in the first place, so they are talking about editing your own human created artwork, not AI generated images. It does not mean that you become the copyright owner of an AI created image if you edit it in photoshop, because according to the US copyright office you were not the copyright owner of the unedited image, so you cannot "remain" the copyright owner by editing it.

Sorry you have twisted the meaning by picking out the word remain. They are saying you don't lose your rights by editing in Photoshop. I can take an AI image and become the owner of a new human created artwork by editing.

No, you have twisted the meaning by completely ignoring the word remain.
Yes, they are saying you don't lose your rights by editing in Photoshop. -  The right to an image you had the copyrigfht to begin with, otherwise the word "remain" would be pointless in that sentence. You can't remain something you had not been before.
I am not sure how you can call that "twisting". I am not the one twisting anything, it's written there, exactly like this:
"a visual artist who uses Adobe Photoshop to edit an image remains the author of the modified image".
 The word remain is there, I did not make that up.
If they were refering to AI generated images where, according to them, you do  not have copyrigh, the sentence would be
"a visual artist who uses Adobe Photoshop to edit an image becomes the author of the modified image".
Two completely different things.

The question was if someone loses their rights, when they use Photoshop and the answer is no.

"This policy does not mean that
technological tools cannot be part of the
creative process
. Authors have long
used such tools to create their works or
to recast, transform, or adapt their
expressive authorship."

Create an AI image, edit it, you have now created a new image that's yours. There's nothing involving the retaining rights in that scenario. Any time you create a new image, you automatically have protection. Transforming an AI image into my image, makes it my new image.

Meanwhile the Copyright office doesn't make the laws, they just set policy based on their opinion of the law. There is no law saying that I can't create an image using AI software and then copyright it as mine. There is no court decision (an opinion) saying that I can't copyright an image that was originally created using AI technology.

There is only the opinion of the USCO that only a human can create something that is protected. Their view is,  "only works created by a human can be copyrighted under United States law, which excludes photographs and artwork created by animals or by machines without human intervention" pretty simple? What is human intervention? Is typing a prompt human intervention? Is editing after the fact?

But the second part is asking if the photographer has made a creative contribution to the work? A decision was, that copyright also subsists in a picture if the work reflects the personality of an author, and it expresses his/her free and creative choices, evidenced e.g. by lighting, framing, editing and the overall atmosphere created. That was the Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU)

Seems like all of this isn't such as easy as, if it was created using AI, then it's not going to get copyright protection, because someone at the USCO has decided they aren't going to approve them.

This needs to be decided in court.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: YadaYadaYada on March 19, 2023, 19:30
This makes me reluctant to invest time and money creating AI images: 

No copyright protection for AI images, says US government

https://www.diyphotography.net/no-copyright-protection-for-ai-images-says-us-government/ (https://www.diyphotography.net/no-copyright-protection-for-ai-images-says-us-government/)

Says the copyright office. They are not the final or ultimate authority. Quoting a blog opinion is not a legal authority.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on March 21, 2023, 08:52
Adobe announces their own AI system.

Welcome Firefly!

https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2023/03/21/bringing-gen-ai-to-creative-cloud-adobe-firefly?fbclid=IwAR2tIv5tsSELTNHR0tqFcz2DrIMKrbAkjwN0u71NkOCg6Z7jCIngIFY8YNo
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on March 21, 2023, 11:34
Adobe announces their own AI system.

Welcome Firefly!

https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2023/03/21/bringing-gen-ai-to-creative-cloud-adobe-firefly?fbclid=IwAR2tIv5tsSELTNHR0tqFcz2DrIMKrbAkjwN0u71NkOCg6Z7jCIngIFY8YNo

Whoo Hoo yet another one? "It is particularly valuable to those seeking to generate content for commercial use because it is trained on hundreds of millions of professional-grade, licensed images in Adobe Stock along with openly licensed content and public domain content where the copyright has expired."

"Thank you for signing up to try out Adobe Firefly!

We’ll be sending out invites gradually over time. We’ll email you instructions on how to get started once you’ve been given access."  IF?
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Just_to_inform_people2 on March 21, 2023, 15:33
You see, Adobe in the end will f*k you over as well. It's all about the money. And that is all that matters, not you. But you can be thankful. Without you they would never have come to this in the first place. And now you have served your purpose and can go away. Maybe you get a thank you somewhere down the line.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on March 22, 2023, 06:04
Of course the money is all that matters.

Have you ever seen a photographer that felt guilty for putting portrait painters out of business?

New tech comes along and it is up to you to choose to whine and play victim or harvest the new possibilities and reinvent yourself.

I love ai and look forward to making more money.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: DiscreetDuck on March 22, 2023, 07:03
Of course the money is all that matters.

Have you ever seen a photographer that felt guilty for putting portrait painters out of business?

New tech comes along and it is up to you to choose to whine and play victim or harvest the new possibilities and reinvent yourself.

I love ai and look forward to making more money.
There are microstockers who were able to produce quality images and did not had to wait for AI to achieve that.

They were happy about the money they made from their OWN work. And they knew they had to improve and work by themselves. And they did. And they evolved.
AI = easy money? lol, wait just a few months... These words will only be spoken by the fulfilled big mouths of the big agencies managers and shareholder ;D

Wait for the nexts "hey, we have good news!!!"  :D
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: DiscreetDuck on March 22, 2023, 07:14
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Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: DiscreetDuck on March 22, 2023, 07:29
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Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cascoly on March 22, 2023, 12:46
Of course the money is all that matters.

Have you ever seen a photographer that felt guilty for putting portrait painters out of business?

New tech comes along and it is up to you to choose to whine and play victim or harvest the new possibilities and reinvent yourself.

I love ai and look forward to making more money.

There are microstockers who were able to produce quality images and did not had to wait for AI to achieve that.

They were happy about the money they made from their OWN work. And they knew they had to improve and work by themselves. And they did. And they evolved.
AI = easy money? lol, wait just a few months... These words will only be spoken by the fulfilled big mouths of the big agencies managers and shareholder ;D

Wait for the nexts "hey, we have good news!!!"  :D


only the anti-ai luddites have said its easy money - of course there are thousands of artists producing quality work - just like those portrait painters, film photographers, buggy whip makers, mom & pop grocery stores, small book sellers. but most of those who don't adapt cease to evolve & natural selection moves along
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: DiscreetDuck on March 22, 2023, 13:00
[...]natural selection moves along
Sorry but nothing "natural" in AI...
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: derby on March 22, 2023, 14:16
[...]natural selection moves along
Sorry but nothing "natural" in AI...

Also digital camera had nothing "natural" vs old analogue camera... at the time when digital was born
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Her Ugliness on March 23, 2023, 04:34
You all keep making the same arguments while completely confusing  simple technology with AI. these are two completely different things. Technology itself was never a threat to humaity or creativity. AI can replace almost everything that makes humans human, espect for the biological part.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Stock4Me on March 23, 2023, 05:26
You all keep making the same arguments while completely confusing  simple technology with AI. these are two completely different things. Technology itself was never a threat to humaity or creativity. AI can replace almost everything that makes humans human, espect for the biological part.

AWB, auto focus, auto exposure, auto ISO, programming, the only part a human has to do is push the button. No film, no processing, a digital photo can be edited down to pixels. Auto levels, color correction, sharpen or blur, much more including making parts that never existed, shadows and lighting. Digital images can replace almost everything that makes a human taking photo.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Her Ugliness on March 23, 2023, 05:48
You all keep making the same arguments while completely confusing  simple technology with AI. these are two completely different things. Technology itself was never a threat to humaity or creativity. AI can replace almost everything that makes humans human, espect for the biological part.

AWB, auto focus, auto exposure, auto ISO, programming, the only part a human has to do is push the button. No film, no processing, a digital photo can be edited down to pixels. Auto levels, color correction, sharpen or blur, much more including making parts that never existed, shadows and lighting. Digital images can replace almost everything that makes a human taking photo.

Not what I said, not my point at all. Taking a photo is not what makes humans human.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Lina on March 29, 2023, 05:13
https://www.reuters.com/technology/musk-experts-urge-pause-training-ai-systems-that-can-outperform-gpt-4-2023-03-29/ (https://www.reuters.com/technology/musk-experts-urge-pause-training-ai-systems-that-can-outperform-gpt-4-2023-03-29/)

Maybe AI creators are slowly coming to their senses (or they are forced to think twice): "The letter, issued by the non-profit Future of Life Institute and signed by more than 1,000 people including Musk, called for a pause on advanced AI development until shared safety protocols for such designs were developed, implemented and audited by independent experts."
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Anny1234 on March 29, 2023, 07:02
https://www.reuters.com/technology/musk-experts-urge-pause-training-ai-systems-that-can-outperform-gpt-4-2023-03-29/ (https://www.reuters.com/technology/musk-experts-urge-pause-training-ai-systems-that-can-outperform-gpt-4-2023-03-29/)

Maybe AI creators are slowly coming to their senses (or they are forced to think twice): "The letter, issued by the non-profit Future of Life Institute and signed by more than 1,000 people including Musk, called for a pause on advanced AI development until shared safety protocols for such designs were developed, implemented and audited by independent experts."

Will they "regulate" Chinese AI too? Which will gain leverage during the "pause"?

What AI would you rather submit to? English-speaking or Chinese-speaking? :P

It all is rather scary indeed :)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Lina on March 29, 2023, 07:35
https://www.reuters.com/technology/musk-experts-urge-pause-training-ai-systems-that-can-outperform-gpt-4-2023-03-29/ (https://www.reuters.com/technology/musk-experts-urge-pause-training-ai-systems-that-can-outperform-gpt-4-2023-03-29/)

Maybe AI creators are slowly coming to their senses (or they are forced to think twice): "The letter, issued by the non-profit Future of Life Institute and signed by more than 1,000 people including Musk, called for a pause on advanced AI development until shared safety protocols for such designs were developed, implemented and audited by independent experts."

Will they "regulate" Chinese AI too? Which will gain leverage during the "pause"?

What AI would you rather submit to? English-speaking or Chinese-speaking? :P

It all is rather scary indeed :)


Frankly, I don't care much more for USA than China regarding this issue.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Anny1234 on March 29, 2023, 07:47

Frankly, I don't care much more for USA than China regarding this issue.

Me neither but I have no wish to learn Chinese :D so better if USA AI wins :)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on March 31, 2023, 06:16
123rf takes ai content

https://www.blog.123rf.com/123rf-guidelines-for-ai-generated-content?utm_source=20230330_AIGenerated&utm_medium=textlink01&utm_campaign=GREDMContri#contributorannouncement (https://www.blog.123rf.com/123rf-guidelines-for-ai-generated-content?utm_source=20230330_AIGenerated&utm_medium=textlink01&utm_campaign=GREDMContri#contributorannouncement)

Apparently the ai content is then offered for FREE to customers…

To be exact the checkbox says:
"I allow users to use my media for free, even for commercial purposes, without further attribution or compensation to me"
For media submitted for Free License distribution:

    I allow users to use my media for free, including for commercial purposes, without further attribution or fee to me.

from the 123rf thread
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on March 31, 2023, 06:20
midjourney temporarily halts free image trial

https://www.pcworld.com/article/1677533/midjourney-halts-free-trials-after-ai-photos-go-viral.html (https://www.pcworld.com/article/1677533/midjourney-halts-free-trials-after-ai-photos-go-viral.html)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Her Ugliness on March 31, 2023, 06:31
midjourney temporarily halts free image trial

https://www.pcworld.com/article/1677533/midjourney-halts-free-trials-after-ai-photos-go-viral.html (https://www.pcworld.com/article/1677533/midjourney-halts-free-trials-after-ai-photos-go-viral.html)

Do not understand what the "AI-generated fake images that went viral" have to do with the free trial. It's not like the paid subscription will keep you from generating "fake images" - After all that's the whole point of midjourney.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Year of the Dog on March 31, 2023, 09:29
midjourney temporarily halts free image trial

https://www.pcworld.com/article/1677533/midjourney-halts-free-trials-after-ai-photos-go-viral.html (https://www.pcworld.com/article/1677533/midjourney-halts-free-trials-after-ai-photos-go-viral.html)

Do not understand what the "AI-generated fake images that went viral" have to do with the free trial. It's not like the paid subscription will keep you from generating "fake images" - After all that's the whole point of midjourney.

"There's an expert .. who says that if there is not an indefinite pause on AI development ... 'Literally everyone on Earth will die,'"
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cascoly on March 31, 2023, 13:35
midjourney temporarily halts free image trial

https://www.pcworld.com/article/1677533/midjourney-halts-free-trials-after-ai-photos-go-viral.html (https://www.pcworld.com/article/1677533/midjourney-halts-free-trials-after-ai-photos-go-viral.html)

Do not understand what the "AI-generated fake images that went viral" have to do with the free trial. It's not like the paid subscription will keep you from generating "fake images" - After all that's the whole point of midjourney.

"There's an expert .. who says that if there is not an indefinite pause on AI development ... 'Literally everyone on Earth will die,'"
sure....
and expert economists have predicted nine of the last 7 recessions

and a few 'expert' biologists refuse to accept evolution

and rightwing experts refuse to accept climate change

[an example of expert blunders/ignorance, not meant to start any debates on those topics]
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Her Ugliness on March 31, 2023, 15:16
midjourney temporarily halts free image trial

https://www.pcworld.com/article/1677533/midjourney-halts-free-trials-after-ai-photos-go-viral.html (https://www.pcworld.com/article/1677533/midjourney-halts-free-trials-after-ai-photos-go-viral.html)

Do not understand what the "AI-generated fake images that went viral" have to do with the free trial. It's not like the paid subscription will keep you from generating "fake images" - After all that's the whole point of midjourney.

"There's an expert .. who says that if there is not an indefinite pause on AI development ... 'Literally everyone on Earth will die,'"

Uhm, okay? I still do not understand what that has  to do with Midjourney stopping their free trial? 
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: ADH on March 31, 2023, 15:16
"There's an expert .. who says that if there is not an indefinite pause on AI development ... 'Literally everyone on Earth will die,'"
[/quote]

Someone in Trump campaign said the same about Trump not being re-elected




Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on April 01, 2023, 05:41
nvidia and getty partner up for properly licensed ai creation

https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2023/03/21/generative-ai-getty-images/?ncid=so-face-193517&=&linkId=100000195758885&fbclid=IwAR0Ks1rGyjcfSGFPCMdunJGnmNhDrkzGaP71MJUmZvK6PYvxGfPmbNvHSCU#cid=gtcs23_so-face_en-us
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on April 03, 2023, 16:14
midjourney temporarily halts free image trial

https://www.pcworld.com/article/1677533/midjourney-halts-free-trials-after-ai-photos-go-viral.html (https://www.pcworld.com/article/1677533/midjourney-halts-free-trials-after-ai-photos-go-viral.html)

Do not understand what the "AI-generated fake images that went viral" have to do with the free trial. It's not like the paid subscription will keep you from generating "fake images" - After all that's the whole point of midjourney.

"There's an expert .. who says that if there is not an indefinite pause on AI development ... 'Literally everyone on Earth will die,'"
sure....
and expert economists have predicted nine of the last 7 recessions

and a few 'expert' biologists refuse to accept evolution

and rightwing experts refuse to accept climate change

[an example of expert blunders/ignorance, not meant to start any debates on those topics]

Liberals invented Climate Change! Global warming wasn't selling fear as well as predicted, but the planet is positively warming. Even the deniers can't deny that.

But nothing to really worry about, doom or expert predictions: Steven Hawking says - artificial intelligence is likely to outsmart us, that the wealthy are bound to develop into a superhuman species, and that the planet is hurtling toward total inhabitability.

"There's an expert .. who says that if there is not an indefinite pause on AI development ... 'Literally everyone on Earth will die,'"

Yes at least some of us can get a joke when it's posted. I'll add that everyone on Earth will die. Eventually? But there will be replacements, (aka descendants) who will also eventually get old and die.  ;D
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on April 04, 2023, 02:40

Liberals invented Climate Change, talk about deniers of the facts. If a dire prediction doesn't go the way they want, they just change the model. That happens year after year, because the predictions haven't met the levels of doom that are claimed

This may help you. But probably not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4zul0BuO8A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4zul0BuO8A)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on April 04, 2023, 08:23
Could we perhaps move the climate change discussion/politics into a different thread?

I would like to continue using this thread for collecting useful links and articles about generative ai.

THANK YOU.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Year of the Dog on April 04, 2023, 09:01
midjourney temporarily halts free image trial

https://www.pcworld.com/article/1677533/midjourney-halts-free-trials-after-ai-photos-go-viral.html (https://www.pcworld.com/article/1677533/midjourney-halts-free-trials-after-ai-photos-go-viral.html)

Do not understand what the "AI-generated fake images that went viral" have to do with the free trial. It's not like the paid subscription will keep you from generating "fake images" - After all that's the whole point of midjourney.

"There's an expert .. who says that if there is not an indefinite pause on AI development ... 'Literally everyone on Earth will die,'"

Uhm, okay? I still do not understand what that has  to do with Midjourney stopping their free trial?

Humor that's a shortage around here.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Her Ugliness on April 04, 2023, 09:47
midjourney temporarily halts free image trial

https://www.pcworld.com/article/1677533/midjourney-halts-free-trials-after-ai-photos-go-viral.html (https://www.pcworld.com/article/1677533/midjourney-halts-free-trials-after-ai-photos-go-viral.html)

Even humor needs to make some sense. Like: What

Do not understand what the "AI-generated fake images that went viral" have to do with the free trial. It's not like the paid subscription will keep you from generating "fake images" - After all that's the whole point of midjourney.

"There's an expert .. who says that if there is not an indefinite pause on AI development ... 'Literally everyone on Earth will die,'"

Uhm, okay? I still do not understand what that has  to do with Midjourney stopping their free trial?

Humor that's a shortage around here.

Humor should still  make sense.

"There's an expert .. who says that if there is not an indefinite pause on AI development ...Literally everyone on Earth will die...unless we PAY for the AI, then it's okay."

See, now it can pass as poor humor.  Before it was glibberish that had no thematic connection to the question as to why MJ stopping their free trial with the explanation that it could cause harm, but continues with their paid service.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on April 04, 2023, 10:45
Could we perhaps move the climate change discussion/politics into a different thread?

I would like to continue using this thread for collecting useful links and articles about generative ai.

THANK YOU.

I would love for politics to not come up but when a grown ass man in the year of our Lord 2023 drops in the line "Liberals invented Climate Change" what the heck do you expect me to do.

This is why very few pros come here any more. It's turning into Facebook.

How can you go back to having adult/ professional conversation taking people seriously once you know the mental capacity of people you are talking to.

Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

At least we wont have to worry about it soon, when AI has taken all our jobs or the planet becomes unlivable, which ever comes first.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on April 04, 2023, 11:14
Could we perhaps move the climate change discussion/politics into a different thread?

I would like to continue using this thread for collecting useful links and articles about generative ai.

THANK YOU.

I would love for politics to not come up but when a grown ass man in the year of our Lord 2023 drops in the line "Liberals invented Climate Change" what the heck do you expect me to do.

This is why very few pros come here any more. It's turning into Facebook.

How can you go back to having adult/ professional conversation taking people seriously once you know the mental capacity of people you are talking to.

Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

At least we wont have to worry about it soon, when AI has taken all our jobs or the planet becomes unlivable, which ever comes first.

Start at the source, not the reply? And attack issues not people, personally?


sure....
and expert economists have predicted nine of the last 7 recessions

and a few 'expert' biologists refuse to accept evolution

and rightwing experts refuse to accept climate change

[an example of expert blunders/ignorance, not meant to start any debates on those topics]

Hey a new term, related to the stock image markets?  de-generative ai

OK back to he said, she said, they said, AI is going to do this or that or everyone wringing their hands about the disaster, theft, how it's abusive and illegal. How many months of the same comments, repeated, before the topic has sufficiently been beat to dead?

Until the courts deal with these questions and fair use, we don't know the answers. I do know that AI isn't going away, because some people on a forum are disagreeing.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on April 04, 2023, 11:28

Start at the source, not the reply? And attack issues not people, personally?

Attack the issue that “liberals invented climate change”? LOL no, you're okay. I'll just go back to ignoring you.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on April 04, 2023, 11:34

Start at the source, not the reply? And attack issues not people, personally?

Attack the issue that “liberals invented climate change”? LOL no, you're okay. I'll just go back to ignoring you.

Please do, I'd appreciate not having to read your arrogant, egocentric and patronizing comments about the rest of us here.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on April 04, 2023, 11:48

Start at the source, not the reply? And attack issues not people, personally?

Attack the issue that “liberals invented climate change”? LOL no, you're okay. I'll just go back to ignoring you.

Please do, I'd appreciate not having to read your arrogant, egocentric and patronizing comments about the rest of us here.

“Rest of us”. Nice try. Pretty sure most people here aren’t spreading that “Liberals invented climate change”. Don’t read my comments if you don’t want to, I will continue to push back on nonsense and misinformation though.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on April 04, 2023, 11:54
Hello everyone,

generative ai is transforming our industry more drastically than the invention of the photocamera transformed art.

Allover the internet creatives are having very emotional discussions and reassessing their personal and business futures.

Is Ai an opportunity, a new tool? Is it the robot overlord that will replace us all? Is there nothing creative left for humanity to explore? Is this the end…?

etc…


Hope you find this thread useful.

I'm looking forward to the courts dealing with these questions. Seems like many agencies and places offering this AI technology, have different opinions of their rights, our rights, their resources, how they process things and where they obtain training data.

Now returning the thread to it's regularly scheduled on topic discussion.

(https://i.postimg.cc/Pr59Rqr5/microstock-zone.jpg)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on April 04, 2023, 14:22
Guys,

START YOUR OWN THREAD ON CLIMATE CHANGE. In Off topic.

Then you can keep slinging at each other as much as you like. We will get popcorn.

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on April 04, 2023, 16:10
Guys,

START YOUR OWN THREAD ON CLIMATE CHANGE. In Off topic.

Then you can keep slinging at each other as much as you like. We will get popcorn.

That's what I just wrote. Back on topic.

I'm looking forward to the first court cases to start being decided. Leading into that, the US Supreme Court has heard arguments on the Fair Use suit from Goldsmith vs Warhol was argued the end of last year. That decision should be coming up this year. In fact, it's been since October.

The case is actually:  "Andy Warhol Foundation for the Visual Arts, Inc. v. Goldsmith"

The important question, which relates to AI and created images, is at the very heart of the situation. What is Fair Use?

ps The US Never Landed on the Moon, OJ Didn't do it and yes you can get 50MPG from a simple change to your cars carburetor.  ;)  My apologies for making an absurd joke about bias and opinions and polarizing "Experts Say..." because someone can find support for either side of many of these, no matter how ridiculous that claim is. 87.6% of all statistics are false or made up!
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on April 05, 2023, 16:15
Just researching this morning, nothing really new, but here's a nice case of why the patent office and the copyright office, have the opinions that they do.

The Federal Circuit adopted a comparable stance for AI invention in the patent context in Thaler v. Vidal, Appeal No. 2021-2347 (Fed. Cir. Aug. 5, 2022). Writing for the court, Circuit Judge Stark proclaimed, “there is no ambiguity: the Patent Act requires that inventors must be natural persons; that is, human beings.”

My Bold

https://cafc.uscourts.gov/opinions-orders/21-2347.OPINION.8-5-2022_1988142.pdf

Same holds for Copyright, until it gets to the Supreme Court. The above is a circuit court decision.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cascoly on April 05, 2023, 19:03
...
The Federal Circuit adopted a comparable stance for AI invention in the patent context in Thaler v. Vidal, Appeal No. 2021-2347 (Fed. Cir. Aug. 5, 2022). Writing for the court, Circuit Judge Stark proclaimed, “there is no ambiguity: the Patent Act requires that inventors must be natural persons; that is, human beings.”

My Bold...
really just shows how far behind these agencies are -- it ignores the real question of whether someone using a tool can be a creator/inventor (and of course, no artist is trying to patent their AI creations)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Her Ugliness on April 06, 2023, 00:43
...
The Federal Circuit adopted a comparable stance for AI invention in the patent context in Thaler v. Vidal, Appeal No. 2021-2347 (Fed. Cir. Aug. 5, 2022). Writing for the court, Circuit Judge Stark proclaimed, “there is no ambiguity: the Patent Act requires that inventors must be natural persons; that is, human beings.”

My Bold...
it ignores the real question of whether someone using a tool can be a creator/inventor

No, it doesn't ignore the "real question". This question doesn't even arise.

Since with an AI image generator all you do is describe an image to the AI and the AI creates the image, not you, it is exacly the same as you going to an artist and commissioning him or her: You describe to him or her what you want, the artists paints or photographes the image. Are you the creator (and therfore by default the copyright holder) or the artist? No one would question the case here, so why should we with AI images? The creator is the one who creates the image, not the one who describes it.

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: DiscreetDuck on April 06, 2023, 04:05
it ignores the real question of whether someone using a tool can be a creator/inventor

No, it doesn't ignore the "real question". This question doesn't even arise.

Since with an AI image generator all you do is describe an image to the AI and the AI creates the image, not you, it is exacly the same as you going to an artist and commissioning him or her: You describe to him or her what you want, the artists paints or photographes the image. Are you the creator (and therfore by default the copyright holder) or the artist? No one would question the case here, so why should we with AI images? The creator is the one who creates the image, not the one who describes it.

You're right!
The brush has become autonomous and has big ears. Mediocre slackers can now feel powerful without any skill and have the feeling that they are a master, here is the gist of the question (This can be an idea to be generated as image in AI..., but if you do, don't forget I am the Artist!!!  ;D ;D ;D).
Ideas become art, it's great for the immature!!
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on April 06, 2023, 12:33
...
The Federal Circuit adopted a comparable stance for AI invention in the patent context in Thaler v. Vidal, Appeal No. 2021-2347 (Fed. Cir. Aug. 5, 2022). Writing for the court, Circuit Judge Stark proclaimed, “there is no ambiguity: the Patent Act requires that inventors must be natural persons; that is, human beings.”

My Bold...
really just shows how far behind these agencies are -- it ignores the real question of whether someone using a tool can be a creator/inventor (and of course, no artist is trying to patent their AI creations)

The same laws are applied for copyright and for patent when it comes to intellectual property. You must register for a Patent you don't need to register for a Copyright.

Which brings up the next complication. If something is automatically protected by copyright, by being created, then something anyone creates with AI is also protected. It just can't be registered.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Her Ugliness on April 06, 2023, 13:49
then something anyone creates with AI is also protected

Only that no one can create anything with AI. All  you can do is describe the image, the AI creates it.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cascoly on April 06, 2023, 13:56
...

Which brings up the next complication. If something is automatically protected by copyright, by being created, then something anyone creates with AI is also protected. It just can't be registered.
exactly
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cascoly on April 06, 2023, 14:04
then something anyone creates with AI is also protected

Only that no one can create anything with AI. All  you can do is describe the image, the AI creates it.
complete nonsense - how many times have you produced a salable image that easily?

again, we cant tell when people refuse to show their portfolios, but it may be that those complaining AI creators arent artists are already having trouble competing in the stock photography market.  it's irrelevant with stock photography. 

one could argue that much salable stock photography is not really 'art' and isnt created because the 'non-artist' just has to point their phone & click.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: DiscreetDuck on April 06, 2023, 14:05
Only that no one can create anything with AI. All  you can do is describe the image, the AI creates it.
exactly
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: wordplanet on April 06, 2023, 19:39
This article actually champions the thoughtful use of AI, by someone in the industry, notwithstanding the title:

The Call to Halt ‘Dangerous’ AI Research Ignores a Simple Truth - Wired Magazine:
https://www.wired.com/story/the-call-to-halt-dangerous-ai-research-ignores-a-simple-truth/ (https://www.wired.com/story/the-call-to-halt-dangerous-ai-research-ignores-a-simple-truth/)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: DiscreetDuck on April 07, 2023, 03:46
If AI fights for truth, maybe they can consider that real world is more trustfull than artificial replacement.
Here is my joke, and sorrry, only Generative HS (Human Stupidity)  using photoshop here...

(https://zupimages.net/up/23/13/mzvp.jpg)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: alan b traehern on April 07, 2023, 06:56
Edge’s AI image generator will be available to everyone as they offer Dall-e as a sidebar choice. Image Creator generates AI images based on your text. Powered by DALL-E

https://www.bing.com/images/create/make-a-picture-of-someone-with-their-hair-on-fire-/643002e35ed84c1aa58e497290ff82b7?id=EqfuN07OAySY3mlihdEUvw%3d%3d&view=detailv2&idpp=genimg&edgehub=1&lightschemeovr=1&FORM=GCRIDP&mode=overlay (https://www.bing.com/images/create/make-a-picture-of-someone-with-their-hair-on-fire-/643002e35ed84c1aa58e497290ff82b7?id=EqfuN07OAySY3mlihdEUvw%3d%3d&view=detailv2&idpp=genimg&edgehub=1&lightschemeovr=1&FORM=GCRIDP&mode=overlay)

Use of Creations. Subject to your compliance with this Agreement, the Microsoft Services Agreement, and our Content Policy, you may use Creations outside of the Online Services for any legal personal, non-commercial purpose.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on April 07, 2023, 11:02
This article actually champions the thoughtful use of AI, by someone in the industry, notwithstanding the title:

The Call to Halt ‘Dangerous’ AI Research Ignores a Simple Truth - Wired Magazine:
https://www.wired.com/story/the-call-to-halt-dangerous-ai-research-ignores-a-simple-truth/ (https://www.wired.com/story/the-call-to-halt-dangerous-ai-research-ignores-a-simple-truth/)

This will come into the "Watch out for what you asked for" category.

Algorithmic Accountability Act of 2022 To Require New Transparency And Accountability For Automated Decision Systems... so there is no discrimination or bias. How does that work out in the future for equality, advocacy and affirmative action? No race, gender, national origin or age bias. Just the facts and qualifications?

Transparency? Oh please, lets have the IRS disclose how they operate and the state tax agencies as well. Who do they prosecute, audit and who do they ignore? How do they function, lets have transparency?

Edge’s AI image generator will be available to everyone as they offer Dall-e as a sidebar choice. Image Creator generates AI images based on your text. Powered by DALL-E

https://www.bing.com/images/create/make-a-picture-of-someone-with-their-hair-on-fire-/643002e35ed84c1aa58e497290ff82b7?id=EqfuN07OAySY3mlihdEUvw%3d%3d&view=detailv2&idpp=genimg&edgehub=1&lightschemeovr=1&FORM=GCRIDP&mode=overlay (https://www.bing.com/images/create/make-a-picture-of-someone-with-their-hair-on-fire-/643002e35ed84c1aa58e497290ff82b7?id=EqfuN07OAySY3mlihdEUvw%3d%3d&view=detailv2&idpp=genimg&edgehub=1&lightschemeovr=1&FORM=GCRIDP&mode=overlay)

Use of Creations. Subject to your compliance with this Agreement, the Microsoft Services Agreement, and our Content Policy, you may use Creations outside of the Online Services for any legal personal, non-commercial purpose.

Oh good news, I can create many more free cartoons and illustrations now, instead of my monthly 15. Personally and someone else has said this, DALL-E is pretty good at those things, and for useful images, without spending hours correcting and adjusting, not so good. I can see some people who are against this, right now.  ;D

Your image:
(https://i.postimg.cc/tRSN2JDh/More-Free-AI.jpg)

Terms say for non-commercial purposes. Oh and nice hands?
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Shuttershock on April 07, 2023, 11:11
Bit of a waste of time creating AI images until they can export files larger enough to be accepted by a stock agency
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: DiscreetDuck on April 07, 2023, 11:25
(https://i.postimg.cc/tRSN2JDh/More-Free-AI.jpg)
There is something I don't understand, why not green teeth?  ::) ;D
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on April 07, 2023, 11:54
(https://i.postimg.cc/tRSN2JDh/More-Free-AI.jpg)
There is something I don't understand, why not green teeth?  ::) ;D

No kidding, I thought they were blue, I need a new monitor.

Bit of a waste of time creating AI images until they can export files larger enough to be accepted by a stock agency

Pretty much where I stand at this time. With better output to work with, maybe I'd take the time. Although there are some people who have done some pretty good work with the generated images. I have other interests. No AI Generated images of mine have ever had a download. Others may have better results. First I thought of, months ago were Easter Backgrounds. They had a chance to be seen and used, well in advance.

I'm not saying my work is great or special, just what the results are for some easy creations. St. Patrick's Day, nothing. Valentine's Day, nothing. Christmas, nothing. I make no claims, just the fact that of a sample and some of my work, time spent, not one download, anywhere.

Had to add, I used DALL-E2 for the images, upsized, edited, and made them acceptable for SS, AS, IS, DT, P5 and AL.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on April 11, 2023, 11:34
I was wrong. (again?) One of the AI images did get a download at SS.

Here's the story and why I missed it. When DALL-E2 first started and I got my account, I uploaded an illustration and created four variations. Actually I did the same image maybe four times for 16 results. Then I found one that was "good enough" and different and what I wanted. Made it 3300 x 3300, B&W, edited and adjusted, and saved it. Accepted at AS, IS, SS, DT, the usual suspects.

 ... Black and white drawing clip art.   1    $0.12    2/1/22

Yeah Baby! The new wave and money is coming in now.  (https://i.postimg.cc/G3Fxr9z8/barrel-50-color.gif) 1 DL in a year for 12 cents.

(https://i.postimg.cc/fR639DYb/bartcrap.gif)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: alan b traehern on April 12, 2023, 07:36
Here's to the US left wing.

ChatGPT and similar generative AI models have already been tied to sensitive data leaks and copyright violations and have prompted fears of automated disinformation and malware campaigns – and that’s in addition to basic concerns about accuracy and bias.
Now, the US government is trying to get a handle on things. The National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) is asking for public comments on possible regulations to hold AI creators accountable. The measures will ideally help the Biden administration ensure these models work as promised "without causing harm,"

Next they will need to regulate and ban the internet for disinformation and bias. Your freedom is at risk.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on April 14, 2023, 11:53
An article from earlier this week about a different type of copyrighted work being used for AI training, but with many of the same concerns as we've seen for photos/illustrations/videos:

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/04/streaming-services-urged-to-clamp-down-on-ai-generated-music/ (https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/04/streaming-services-urged-to-clamp-down-on-ai-generated-music/)

"AI-generated songs have been popping up on streaming services, and UMG has been sending takedown requests “left and right,” said a person familiar with the matter. The company is asking streaming companies to cut off access to their music catalog for developers using it to train AI technology."

One big difference in the music business is that the individual artists are not on their own to pursue action or limit access - although music publishers and artists have certainly had all sorts of clashes over the years.

If you look at the paragraph about why Google hasn't yet released their music AI tool, it's clear (to me anyway) that it is entirely possible for AI generated results to be a "... direct replica of copyrighted work..." from the training data - from our works as much as musical works I would think.

A few more articles on the same topic

https://variety.com/2023/music/news/universal-music-streaming-services-block-ai-1235582612/ (https://variety.com/2023/music/news/universal-music-streaming-services-block-ai-1235582612/)
https://www.billboard.com/pro/universal-music-asks-spotify-apple-stop-ai-access-songs/ (https://www.billboard.com/pro/universal-music-asks-spotify-apple-stop-ai-access-songs/)
https://musically.com/2023/04/12/report-umg-wants-dsps-to-block-unlicensed-ai-training-scraping/ (https://musically.com/2023/04/12/report-umg-wants-dsps-to-block-unlicensed-ai-training-scraping/)
https://www.complex.com/music/universal-music-group-spotify-ai (https://www.complex.com/music/universal-music-group-spotify-ai)
https://gizmodo.com/ai-music-generator-umg-begs-spotify-apple-block-chatgpt-1850327300 (https://gizmodo.com/ai-music-generator-umg-begs-spotify-apple-block-chatgpt-1850327300)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on April 14, 2023, 12:42
An article from earlier this week about a different type of copyrighted work being used for AI training, but with many of the same concerns as we've seen for photos/illustrations/videos:

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/04/streaming-services-urged-to-clamp-down-on-ai-generated-music/ (https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/04/streaming-services-urged-to-clamp-down-on-ai-generated-music/)

"AI-generated songs have been popping up on streaming services, and UMG has been sending takedown requests “left and right,” said a person familiar with the matter. The company is asking streaming companies to cut off access to their music catalog for developers using it to train AI technology."

One big difference in the music business is that the individual artists are not on their own to pursue action or limit access - although music publishers and artists have certainly had all sorts of clashes over the years.

If you look at the paragraph about why Google hasn't yet released their music AI tool, it's clear (to me anyway) that it is entirely possible for AI generated results to be a "... direct replica of copyrighted work..." from the training data - from our works as much as musical works I would think.

A few more articles on the same topic

https://variety.com/2023/music/news/universal-music-streaming-services-block-ai-1235582612/ (https://variety.com/2023/music/news/universal-music-streaming-services-block-ai-1235582612/)
https://www.billboard.com/pro/universal-music-asks-spotify-apple-stop-ai-access-songs/ (https://www.billboard.com/pro/universal-music-asks-spotify-apple-stop-ai-access-songs/)
https://musically.com/2023/04/12/report-umg-wants-dsps-to-block-unlicensed-ai-training-scraping/ (https://musically.com/2023/04/12/report-umg-wants-dsps-to-block-unlicensed-ai-training-scraping/)
https://www.complex.com/music/universal-music-group-spotify-ai (https://www.complex.com/music/universal-music-group-spotify-ai)
https://gizmodo.com/ai-music-generator-umg-begs-spotify-apple-block-chatgpt-1850327300 (https://gizmodo.com/ai-music-generator-umg-begs-spotify-apple-block-chatgpt-1850327300)

I tried the free music and it just repeats a line, some up and down variations, pretty dull and lacks any life at all. Others may be better. But it could be background for a B movie of some sort, or... My Youtube Videos!
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on April 15, 2023, 07:08
Robert Kneschke has been trying to have his images removed from the LAION collection, which seems to be the largest database used for training ai. They basically scraped the entire internet.

But instead of removing his images, Laion has sued Robert for damages for wanting to have his files removed…

This article is in German, but it should be a really interesting development to watch. Hope he soon gives an Update in English.

https://www.alltageinesfotoproduzenten.de/2023/02/20/laion-verein-droht-urhebern-die-ihre-daten-aus-ki-trainingssatz-nehmen-wollen-mit-schadensersatzanspruechen/?fbclid=IwAR1XYaU4vG-K340YeicDk_nPmO2z0HEh_0g4fC7cq3ktFZKkR3F1UUYUFDE (https://www.alltageinesfotoproduzenten.de/2023/02/20/laion-verein-droht-urhebern-die-ihre-daten-aus-ki-trainingssatz-nehmen-wollen-mit-schadensersatzanspruechen/?fbclid=IwAR1XYaU4vG-K340YeicDk_nPmO2z0HEh_0g4fC7cq3ktFZKkR3F1UUYUFDE)

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on April 15, 2023, 09:12
...But instead of removing his images, Laion has sued Robert for damages for wanting to have his files removed…

I used Google Translate to read Robert's very interesting article (so I'm hoping it's a good enough translation that what I read in English is accurate). I think the lawyer's claims that his client did nothing wrong are, IMO, weak at best. However, the lawyer is not suing Robert for damages.

The English translation says (emphasis mine) "We would also like to point out that our client can assert claims for damages in accordance with Section 97a (4) of the Copyright Act if unjustified copyright claims are made against her." So I think this is a thinly veiled threat designed to get rights holders to back off - they can assert those claims, but they haven't done so yet.

Regarding the basic approach of their defense, they are saying they only gathered links, not content, so there's nothing to remove and no harm done. "The content behind a link can only be accessed at the linked location and not elsewhere, so that in particular there is no duplication in the sense of copyright."

If you built an AI model using those links to access the publicly available images - on a stock agency web site or on any website displaying legitimately purchased or wholly owned images - I'd argue that use of the images facilitated by those links was outside the terms of any license granted by any stock agency. Isn't the role of the entity providing the super-convenient database of links analogous to handing over a set of keys to all the houses in a town so a third party can go look around, take pictures, maybe borrow a few things for a few hours?

The database of links is a useless waste of time unless it facilitates a third party's access (for AI dataset training purposes). This is a racketeering-type operation where the fact that there are lots of tiny pieces each of which looks harmless on the surface tries to disguise the overall purpose. Using copyrighted works to train AI without compensating rights holders.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on April 15, 2023, 10:22
Thank you very much for the excellent explanation.

It is obvious that both midjourney and Laion are trying to get around existing copyright laws to train their ai models without paying the copyright holders.

I doubt they will get away with it.

And to sue the artists if they want their content opted out of the training material…that is just bad…
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on April 15, 2023, 12:05
I knew nothing about LAION and thought I'd search to see what I could find. According to Wikipedia, LAION is a non profit but "...its creation was funded by Doodlebot, Hugging Face and Stability AI, the AI company behind the funding of the Stable Diffusion text-to-image model, which was trained on it".

Here's LAION's own web site:

https://laion.ai/

From their projects list, they describe "LAION5B High-Res" as "A subset of the LAION5B database, with high resolution images oveer 1024x1024, containing 170 million samples." Is this really just links as the lawyers' letter claims?

https://laion.ai/projects/

That's not what this TechCrunch article says:

https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/12/a-startup-wants-to-democratize-the-tech-behind-dall-e-2-consequences-be-damned/

And LAION's own description contains the following: "We thank our sponsors hugging face, doodlebot and stability for providing us with computing resources to produce this dataset! We also thank the-eye.eu for hosting the image embeddings and a copy of the whole dataset". You don't have to host "image embeddings" if all you have are links to other sites on the web.

https://laion.ai/blog/laion-5b/

An article from April 7th in The Byte says that Stable Diffusion has serious financial difficulties. Whether or not that will have an impact on LAION I have no idea.

https://futurism.com/the-byte/stable-diffusion-stability-ai-risk-going-under

Here are links to the other sponsors/founders:

https://huggingface.co/
https://doodlebot.ai/
https://stability.ai/
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on April 15, 2023, 13:31

The English translation says (emphasis mine) "We would also like to point out that our client can assert claims for damages in accordance with Section 97a (4) of the Copyright Act if unjustified copyright claims are made against her." So I think this is a thinly veiled threat designed to get rights holders to back off - they can assert those claims, but they haven't done so yet.


Can the victim of a fraudulent takedown notice sue? The answer is “yes.” Section 512(f) of the DMCA specifically punishes false and fraudulent takedown notices.

But if the claim is made in good faith, the person making the DMCA claim is not liable for being punished as a fake DMCA claim would be.  https://revisionlegal.com/copyright/suing-for-false-fraudulent-dmca-takedown-notices-the-actual-knowledge-requirement/

I'd rather not point this out, but if looking at an image is infringing, then we're all in big trouble. If they are being honest and they only use a link to the actual image for training or for creating, then how is that copyright infringement?

If I go to the art museum and study the masters, and then paint my own work, using those techniques, lighting, composition, colors, am I infringing? That's what the AI people are saying, in the case where the originals are not used directly, but only for training. And I suspect their defense of the images found is, they don't download them, they just view them. Only links.

I know my images and video has been used to train AI. I was paid by P5, Adobe and SSTK. Others may have also used them. How would I prove, what part of my specific image was used? Robert Kneschke might see that someone has made a collection, that shows the images that were used for training, or at least were in the data set. How does he prove that his image was actually used?

Something like this. His images could have been viewed, and might have been used, to train. His images might be used or could be used to create new images in the future. How would someone prove that their images were or are actually being used?
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on April 15, 2023, 13:41
The proof is often with ai „creations“ that actually have an agency watermark and badly disfigured images.

Getty is using those examples when they sue the ai agencies that didn‘t license their content.

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on April 23, 2023, 15:25
There is a really interesting discussion and comment lists all over twitter about a charity that used an ai generated image of poor children to advertise for their cause.

They defended themselves saying it was difficult to get releases, the parents expected payment and also many families didn't want to be used for promotion.

They could have used stock photos, not sure why they didn't.

Overall I am sure it was simply the cheapest solution.

What do you think?

https://twitter.com/_AI_Samurai/status/1647555905628647424
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on April 23, 2023, 16:50
The charity exists, but outside of that guy's tweet, I can't find any instance of that ad he showed.

https://www.charityright.org.uk/blog/posts (https://www.charityright.org.uk/blog/posts)

Is it possible that he's just made the ad himself as a talking point?

On their web site they have a 2019 annual report on their various campaigns, and it appears all the photos are from their projects - i.e. using real people. It's hard to believe that anyone in an organization like this would want to leave themselves open to the suggestion that they were "faking" hungry children to try and raise money.

https://www.charityright.org.uk/uploads/1614784828.pdf (https://www.charityright.org.uk/uploads/1614784828.pdf)

Edited to add that I did a bit more searching, but still can't find more than some reddit threads about AI images in Charity Right ads

https://www.reddit.com/r/midjourney/comments/12qhjnu/saw_this_charity_advert_yesterday_im_not_crazy/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/midjourney/comments/12qhjnu/saw_this_charity_advert_yesterday_im_not_crazy/)
https://www.reddit.com/r/midjourney/comments/12mijbw/am_i_tripping_or_did_this_charity_use_ai/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/midjourney/comments/12mijbw/am_i_tripping_or_did_this_charity_use_ai/)
https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/12r38gp/this_charity_add_thats_ai_generated/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/12r38gp/this_charity_add_thats_ai_generated/)

There's still no source for these ads - just images hosted on reddit (and no metadata in the images themselves, at least the two I checked).

There was a Toronto Star article about the topic - but nothing to do with Charity Right - where a charity claimed their 2022 Christmas campaign with AI ads had solved the problem of poverty porn

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2022/12/31/this-image-is-raising-money-for-a-toronto-charity-the-only-problem-its-not-real.html (https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2022/12/31/this-image-is-raising-money-for-a-toronto-charity-the-only-problem-its-not-real.html)

And a somewhat tongue-in-cheek take on the same subject

https://raw.london/ai-creative-charity/ (https://raw.london/ai-creative-charity/)



Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on April 24, 2023, 03:24
Interesting, because the picture is being very widely discussed. Didn't check the charity.

Maybe they removed it? Somewhere also someone put out a statement, that they real photo shoots with professionals and releases but that they are having a difficult time getting the parents to agree. Plus many think it is better to use fake people.

Will try to see if I can find esome more.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on April 24, 2023, 12:34
In this corner... Music!

Universal Music Group — with whom Drake signed a reported $400 million deal last October — has urged Spotify and Apple Music to block AI-generated music, as The Financial Times reported.

By contrast, Grimes has demonstrated openness to the technology, writing in a follow-up tweet: "I think it's cool to be fused w a machine and I like the idea of open sourcing all art and killing copyright."


Consider there are some people who are against all and any copyrights, they want everything to be free for all. I forgot about that segment.

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on April 24, 2023, 19:41
Very interesting.

Here is the other side. An artists offers her voice for ai music on a 50:50 revenue basis.

https://news.yahoo.com/grimes-offers-50-50-split-171053215.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAACpmG8Wb2mzX0-mZCmnT52HIEd62UjpwDzpYYXlL3JjFnuYQK4O-d9WgUl8EBAYfoExJudVfKiJBDOm0n00RiCoVhe_KmEDdvlwaro6qLdD1aDVcuzaNQ3nOHnxnKEJt79Q-ua12kx-oz7MQw5HQMaF-2cU9mPh_Ld8-_icbDJKk
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on April 24, 2023, 19:52
Google has a new music ai.

Bring on the armchair. music composers..

https://www.freethink.com/robots-ai/ai-music-generator?fbclid=IwAR0P9IW3-GGcB9zgulbn-cZ-3d0SPPlFO3qyxh3CNPxCRYU-HAltRw63JLY (https://www.freethink.com/robots-ai/ai-music-generator?fbclid=IwAR0P9IW3-GGcB9zgulbn-cZ-3d0SPPlFO3qyxh3CNPxCRYU-HAltRw63JLY)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Her Ugliness on April 25, 2023, 00:52
In this corner... Music!

Universal Music Group — with whom Drake signed a reported $400 million deal last October — has urged Spotify and Apple Music to block AI-generated music, as The Financial Times reported.

By contrast, Grimes has demonstrated openness to the technology, writing in a follow-up tweet: "I think it's cool to be fused w a machine and I like the idea of open sourcing all art and killing copyright."


Consider there are some people who are against all and any copyrights, they want everything to be free for all. I forgot about that segment.

It's of course easy for an artist who owns millions (and is/was married and has children with the richest man in the world) to say that with absolutely no regards and no understanding of artists who actually depend on an income from their art to pay their bills.
Completely out of touch with reality.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on April 25, 2023, 05:38
Well, she has the right to do whatever she wants with her own voice.

Obviously she doesn‘t need the money.

It will be interesting to see once this is possible for video. I am sure there will be many famous actors that make ai deals to secure a perpetual licensing income for their families for as long as copyright lasts.

Plus you could bring deceased actors or even dead musicians back from the dead.

It won‘t be the same as experiencing them live, but it will become part of the toolbox of movie directors.

At the moment they choose similar looking/behaving younger actors.

ai could allow experienced actors to not be limited by their age, if their faces and bodies can be reliably rejuvenated with ai.

It is very scary but also very interesting.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Her Ugliness on April 25, 2023, 06:41
Well, she has the right to do whatever she wants with her own voice.

Of course.
But since millionaires only make up 1,1% of the world population, she obviously doesn't speak in the interest of the majority of humankind.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on April 25, 2023, 12:05
In this corner... Music!

Universal Music Group — with whom Drake signed a reported $400 million deal last October — has urged Spotify and Apple Music to block AI-generated music, as The Financial Times reported.

By contrast, Grimes has demonstrated openness to the technology, writing in a follow-up tweet: "I think it's cool to be fused w a machine and I like the idea of open sourcing all art and killing copyright."


Consider there are some people who are against all and any copyrights, they want everything to be free for all. I forgot about that segment.

It's of course easy for an artist who owns millions (and is/was married and has children with the richest man in the world) to say that with absolutely no regards and no understanding of artists who actually depend on an income from their art to pay their bills.
Completely out of touch with reality.

Yup, but the point was, there are people, no rich, or established or powerful, who want to end all copyrights. Just because I write about something, doesn't mean I support the idea.

Copyright and patents are widely rejected among anarchists, communists, socialists, free market libertarians, crypto-anarchists, info-anarchists, and the former Situationist International.

Wow that's a bunch of people? (who I disagree with)

What attraction is there to devise, create or invent anything, if everyone in the world, has it free, after the work is done.

Google has a new music ai.

Bring on the armchair. music composers..

https://www.freethink.com/robots-ai/ai-music-generator?fbclid=IwAR0P9IW3-GGcB9zgulbn-cZ-3d0SPPlFO3qyxh3CNPxCRYU-HAltRw63JLY (https://www.freethink.com/robots-ai/ai-music-generator?fbclid=IwAR0P9IW3-GGcB9zgulbn-cZ-3d0SPPlFO3qyxh3CNPxCRYU-HAltRw63JLY)

So far what I've experienced from music AI is worse than the worst we have seen from the three arm, fused finger, twisted face, green teeth AI inventions.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on April 25, 2023, 16:15
Alamy currently not taking gen ai content

https://www.alamy.com/blog/ai-and-your-images-protecting-rights-and-creating-opportunities#:~:text=While%20the%20sources%20for%20AI%20image%20generation%20by,all%20of%20this%20content%20that%20we%20can%20identify. (https://www.alamy.com/blog/ai-and-your-images-protecting-rights-and-creating-opportunities#:~:text=While%20the%20sources%20for%20AI%20image%20generation%20by,all%20of%20this%20content%20that%20we%20can%20identify.)

I uploaded there because someone told me they would take it and because a lot of their content has generative ai in the keywords.

Everything was declined as unsuitable material.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on April 26, 2023, 10:07
US Supreme Court:  https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstories/us-supreme-court-rejects-computer-scientists-lawsuit-over-ai-generated-inventions/ar-AA1ahEM9 (https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstories/us-supreme-court-rejects-computer-scientists-lawsuit-over-ai-generated-inventions/ar-AA1ahEM9)

WASHINGTON(Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday declined to hear a challenge by computer scientist Stephen Thaler to the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office's refusal to issue patents for inventions his artificial intelligence system created.

at the end,

Thaler has also challenged the U.S. Copyright Office's decision to deny copyright protection for art his AI created.

I suspect if he applies for the patent himself, as a human, it would be approved.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on April 28, 2023, 07:33
Article in English about Roberts court case

https://www.diyphotography.net/ai-used-photographers-photos-for-training-then-slapped-him-with-an-invoice/?fbclid=IwAR0KLn-h3XCdTqUEPtdsEZkGaAC4eMp4Nl2xzBT4fOIXaTuqrgQyiYRnvoI (https://www.diyphotography.net/ai-used-photographers-photos-for-training-then-slapped-him-with-an-invoice/?fbclid=IwAR0KLn-h3XCdTqUEPtdsEZkGaAC4eMp4Nl2xzBT4fOIXaTuqrgQyiYRnvoI)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on April 28, 2023, 11:08
Article in English about Roberts court case

https://www.diyphotography.net/ai-used-photographers-photos-for-training-then-slapped-him-with-an-invoice/?fbclid=IwAR0KLn-h3XCdTqUEPtdsEZkGaAC4eMp4Nl2xzBT4fOIXaTuqrgQyiYRnvoI (https://www.diyphotography.net/ai-used-photographers-photos-for-training-then-slapped-him-with-an-invoice/?fbclid=IwAR0KLn-h3XCdTqUEPtdsEZkGaAC4eMp4Nl2xzBT4fOIXaTuqrgQyiYRnvoI)

Interesting, and their argument is: "our client is entitled to claims for damages in accordance with Section 97a (4) UrhG in the event of an unjustified claim." And elsewhere it is reported as: "A German stock photographer tried to get his photos removed from the AI-training LAION dataset. Lawyers replied that he owes $979 for making an unjustified copyright claim."

"“However, since our client does not save any of the photographs you have complained about, you have no right to deletion. Our client simply does not have any pictures that could be deleted.”"

Go Robert!

"“AI is already widely and commonly used and I have no expectations that my case will change that. However, I have hope that we can take part in shaping the legal framework for this new technology to not only cover the AI usage, but also the AI training in respect of the many artists that have their works used without their knowledge and/or permission. I hope that it will become common grounds that artists will get a cut if their data is used in AI training to compensate for lost income due to advancing AI technology,” he told Motherboard. "

https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkapb7/a-photographer-tried-to-get-his-photos-removed-from-an-ai-dataset-he-got-an-invoice-instead?ref=upstract.com (https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkapb7/a-photographer-tried-to-get-his-photos-removed-from-an-ai-dataset-he-got-an-invoice-instead?ref=upstract.com)

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on April 30, 2023, 09:23
This New York Times story is behind a paywall, but for those who can read it, I think it shows a clear parallel between concerns of photographers, illustrators, videographers, musicians about AI tools building a business on the backs of other people's work without compensating them.

This story is about writers for movies and TV: "Will a Chatbot Write the Next ‘Succession’? As labor contract negotiations heat up in Hollywood, unions representing writers and actors seek limits on artificial intelligence." 98% voted to approve a strike.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/29/business/media/writers-guild-hollywood-ai-chatgpt.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/29/business/media/writers-guild-hollywood-ai-chatgpt.html)

One significant difference is that writers have a union representing them.  There are various points of leverage mentioned in the story which don't apply to stock agency contributors. One is the ruling that you can't copyright something generated by AI (referring to visual art) which may help keep human writers employed as the lack of copyright protection would discourage large financial investments in a project - anyone could then just copy it and the company with the investment would have no recourse.

There's also the writer's credit: "...it falls to the Writers Guild and not the studio to determine who receives a writer’s credit on a project, and that the union will guard this rite jealously. “We want to make sure that an A.I. is never one of those writers in the chain of title for a project,” "

So far, it seems that musicians and TV writers have large organizations who will go to bat for creator's rights; that may have benefits, if they succeed, for others without any heavyweight in their corner.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on April 30, 2023, 15:54
I think the legal angle might be an important issue for us.

As long as ai content is clearly labelled in a collection, like Adobe does now, I think a lot of companies will opt out of ai content in searches to avoid legal risk.

I mean the reason they buy from agencies instead of stealing from the internet is the legal problem (in addition that is saves them time and money).

High end agencies will certainly pitch that aggressively in their sales.

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on May 01, 2023, 08:26
I'm beginning to see some common themes in the arguments for or against being able to copyright AI-created works, who is the creator of a work, and various analogies to past technologies and whether they produced original work.

Here's another article on the subject, again behind a paywall, arguing that the US copyright office's decision in the graphic novel was wrong. I don't agree with the point of view - I'm still stuck on the fact that none of the current generative AI tools would be able to produce if they hadn't ripped off masses of work to "train" themselves. The comments are lengthy and in many ways more interesting that the opinion piece :) The author also wrote “Creators Take Control: How NFTs Revolutionize Art, Business, and Entertainment.”. I haven't read that, but it doesn't surprise me that these two points of view come from the same person.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/04/27/artificial-intelligence-copyright-decision-misguided/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/04/27/artificial-intelligence-copyright-decision-misguided/)

In talking about the use of prompts as creative intellectual labor, he writes:

"If the creator doesn’t like the result, she can refine the prompts — as Kashtanova did hundreds of times — until the image matches her intellectual conception. The more one uses prompts, the better one becomes at predicting the results. That’s why new jobs as prompt engineers have sprouted. Businesses seek the fruits of these creators’ “intellectual labor.”"

The derivative nature of this creativity reminds me of the furor over Shepard Fairey's Hope poster (http://archive.boston.com/ae/media/articles/2009/02/05/ap_wants_credit_for_faireys_obama_image/) (although that case was complicated by the fact that he lied about the source image (https://www.phaidon.com/agenda/art/articles/2012/september/10/shepard-fairey-admits-lying-about-obama-poster/) in a legal action)

The article includes the by-now-common analogy to photography and discusses an 1884 supreme court case about a photograph of Oscar Wilde where the court concluded that photographs were not simple mechanical reproductions, but “representatives of original intellectual conceptions of the author.” I think the fallacy is in comparing the system behind generative AI to the equipment that takes a photograph (and even more off base if you include post-processing software that the creator of a photograph almost always uses. If generative AI systems were based on robots having gone out to paint and photograph Yosemite, the deep dark woods, etc., there'd be some fair comparison, but that's not what has been done.

The top three most liked comments on the article:

"Sorry dude. Copyright Office is right. You're wrong. Besides your analogies fail. A jazz artist is wholly creating their improvisations. A prompt "artist" is tweaking someone else's. In music that is called arranging not creating. Arrangements dont get copyrights."

"Exactly. I'm an engineer who does computer coding. If I ask chatGPT to create a code to, say, run a basic spectral analysis on gappy satellite altimetry data, using a specific non-FFT method, I absolutely SHOULD be allowed to USE the results (assuming they're right, which they might well not be for technical reasons, but I digress). But I surely shouldn't be able to COPYRIGHT that code. Because I didn't write it. It's literally made from a computer recombination of the work of other previous coders and mathematicians. It's not "mine", even if I can use it for free.

There's nothing sacred about art that makes it different than anything else. If you want to copyright it, make it yourself. Otherwise, be grateful that you can use the skill of other people (AI programmers and real artists) to get your work done well for you."

"And this is generally true of the current machine learning trained on big data model of AI. Every sentence, every image, comes from recombining the words and images the AI is trained on, a huge portion of which was nominally protected by copyright. Current AI models are the worst enemy of copyright in history."
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Her Ugliness on May 01, 2023, 09:16


"If the creator doesn’t like the result, she can refine the prompts — as Kashtanova did hundreds of times — until the image matches her intellectual conception. The more one uses prompts, the better one becomes at predicting the results. That’s why new jobs as prompt engineers have sprouted. Businesses seek the fruits of these creators’ “intellectual labor.”"


I'd like to point out that, at least with modjourney, that is not necessarily true. The more prompts I use, the more of them midjourney simply ignores, just like it keeps adding stuff I did not describe and even the --no  command will be ignored. Some people (sometimes purposefully) misjudge  midjourney's ability to really create images based on very detailed descriptions.


Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on May 03, 2023, 16:36
The current head of the US Federal Trade Commission wrote an op-ed piece for the New York Times (paywall) (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/03/opinion/ai-lina-khan-ftc-technology.html) but there's a good summary in Ars Technica

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/05/we-must-regulate-ai-ftc-chair-khan-says/ (https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/05/we-must-regulate-ai-ftc-chair-khan-says/)

There aren't very many comments in the NY Times - all comments are moderated, but even so only 267? An article about Tucker Carlson's texts had 2617 :) Comments are pretty negative about her approach - either because they are opposed to regulation in principle or because they don't see anything sufficiently specific about how to rein in tech companies. An example:

"There isn't a single specific suggestion in this article about how to regulate the use of AI.  It just lists the problems with which we are all already familiar.  If the head of a federal agency is going to place an article in the NYT, it should offer more than this."

There was one comment about content creators: "not a peep in this opinion about protection of intellectual property and creators work.   Just like streaming music, no doubt the AI lobbyists are on the job right now, making sure govt looks the other way as their clients appropriate the value of creative work."
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on May 05, 2023, 02:51
That is a very good article, thank you!
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on May 05, 2023, 11:00
This Wall Street Journal article (paywall) is about AI and advertising - along with the turmoil resulting from the shift from traditional TV to streaming and how the advertising dollars are following (or not). The reason I think this might have an impact on stock agencies is that a good chunk of our licenses are for advertising uses.

Digital Video Publishers Tout AI and New Metrics at NewFronts Sales Events
https://www.wsj.com/articles/digital-video-publishers-tout-ai-and-new-metrics-at-newfronts-sales-events-97a42c4f (https://www.wsj.com/articles/digital-video-publishers-tout-ai-and-new-metrics-at-newfronts-sales-events-97a42c4f)

A couple of interesting quotes:

"Players in free ad-supported television or ad-supported video on demand, smart-TV manufacturers like LG and Samsung, premium video publishers and others at the NewFronts all reported growing viewership and sought to convince buyers they deserved video ad spending..."


"As Writers Guild members marched outside of Peacock’s presentation, in part protesting studios’ reluctance to regulate AI-generated material in television and movies, media executives sold AI as a technology to elevate buyers’ advertising deals.
Roku described a new AI-driven feature that scans programming on its ad-supported Roku Channel to match advertisers, their products and their campaigns with relevant scenes in shows and movies.
“Imagine promoting a new phone line in the ad break after every time E.T. phones home, or advertising an apparel line every time Tim Gunn says ‘make it work’ on ‘Project Runway,’” Julian Mintz, Roku’s head of U.S. brand sales, told ad buyers.""
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on May 07, 2023, 08:15
Here is a 34 year old writer who lost his income because of Chatgpt

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/139o1q6/lost_all_my_content_writing_contracts_feeling/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/139o1q6/lost_all_my_content_writing_contracts_feeling/)

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: gameover on May 07, 2023, 14:13
Here is a 34 year old writer who lost his income because of Chatgpt

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/139o1q6/lost_all_my_content_writing_contracts_feeling/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/139o1q6/lost_all_my_content_writing_contracts_feeling/)

I've just read it. One particular sentence struck me, and I couldn't resist commenting (on site) :

"For me, writing is like taking a sh*t: I don't have a choice."

We all do that, we just don't sell it.

Take it easy, plumber is quite a dignified profession. Perhaps more than selling words...

However I suspect that's just a prank: check his grammar, his spelling, his style, and then ask yourselves if anyone could really make a living out of that.

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on May 07, 2023, 21:21
i have wondered if it was written by Chatgtp as a prank, but thought there are too many mistakes.

It sounds like a genuine, heartfelt rant of sorrow and it does mirror stories popping up all over the internet.

I think Chatgpt will evolve much quicker than all things visual or video.

Until the robots come for our jobs, the plumbers will be safe.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on May 19, 2023, 10:26
 This is a legal decision on what level of transformation constitutes fair use. As fair use is one of the arguments offered as to why generative AI images trained on copyrighted work is legally OK, I think it's worth adding to this list

https://petapixel.com/2023/05/18/supreme-court-rules-andy-warhols-prince-art-is-copyright-infringement/ (https://petapixel.com/2023/05/18/supreme-court-rules-andy-warhols-prince-art-is-copyright-infringement/)
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/supreme-court-andy-warhol-prince-copyright-1235495647/ (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/supreme-court-andy-warhol-prince-copyright-1235495647/)
https://www.billboard.com/pro/andy-warhol-prince-supreme-court-copyright-case-ruling/ (https://www.billboard.com/pro/andy-warhol-prince-supreme-court-copyright-case-ruling/)
https://www.cooley.com/news/insight/2023/2023-05-18-supreme-court-rules-andy-warhols-prince-portraits-not-fair-use (https://www.cooley.com/news/insight/2023/2023-05-18-supreme-court-rules-andy-warhols-prince-portraits-not-fair-use)
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2023/may/18/andy-warhol-copyright-prince-paintings-lawsuit (https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2023/may/18/andy-warhol-copyright-prince-paintings-lawsuit)
https://variety.com/2023/music/news/andy-warhol-prince-images-supreme-court-copyright-1235617622/ (https://variety.com/2023/music/news/andy-warhol-prince-images-supreme-court-copyright-1235617622/)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on May 19, 2023, 11:33
This is a legal decision on what level of transformation constitutes fair use. As fair use is one of the arguments offered as to why generative AI images trained on copyrighted work is legally OK, I think it's worth adding to this list

https://petapixel.com/2023/05/18/supreme-court-rules-andy-warhols-prince-art-is-copyright-infringement/ (https://petapixel.com/2023/05/18/supreme-court-rules-andy-warhols-prince-art-is-copyright-infringement/)
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/supreme-court-andy-warhol-prince-copyright-1235495647/ (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/supreme-court-andy-warhol-prince-copyright-1235495647/)
https://www.billboard.com/pro/andy-warhol-prince-supreme-court-copyright-case-ruling/ (https://www.billboard.com/pro/andy-warhol-prince-supreme-court-copyright-case-ruling/)
https://www.cooley.com/news/insight/2023/2023-05-18-supreme-court-rules-andy-warhols-prince-portraits-not-fair-use (https://www.cooley.com/news/insight/2023/2023-05-18-supreme-court-rules-andy-warhols-prince-portraits-not-fair-use)
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2023/may/18/andy-warhol-copyright-prince-paintings-lawsuit (https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2023/may/18/andy-warhol-copyright-prince-paintings-lawsuit)
https://variety.com/2023/music/news/andy-warhol-prince-images-supreme-court-copyright-1235617622/ (https://variety.com/2023/music/news/andy-warhol-prince-images-supreme-court-copyright-1235617622/)

Yup, what I've been pointing out the whole time. FAIR USE is the foundation of any legal argument for or against.

Justices Roberts and Kagan dissented. Roberts is a center right moderate, appointed by GW Bush. Elana Kagan is a 2010 appointee of Obama, and of course a liberal, but known for compromise.

Fair Use and transformation will be the basis of cases for or against AI art, music, writing... anything that is combined machine learning.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cascoly on May 19, 2023, 13:15
i have wondered if it was written by Chatgtp as a prank, but thought there are too many mistakes....

you can ask  chatGPT to include grammatical mistakes, misspellings.

this was done in an experiment to see if teachers could detect which essays were ai generated - the teachers failed!
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Roscoe on May 19, 2023, 15:36
nvidia and getty partner up for properly licensed ai creation

https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2023/03/21/generative-ai-getty-images/?ncid=so-face-193517&=&linkId=100000195758885&fbclid=IwAR0Ks1rGyjcfSGFPCMdunJGnmNhDrkzGaP71MJUmZvK6PYvxGfPmbNvHSCU#cid=gtcs23_so-face_en-us

The models will be trained on Getty Images’ fully licensed content, and revenue generated from the models will provide royalties to content creators

Now, that reads as a bleak variation on connect royalties.

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on May 20, 2023, 13:48
i have wondered if it was written by Chatgtp as a prank, but thought there are too many mistakes....

you can ask  chatGPT to include grammatical mistakes, misspellings.

this was done in an experiment to see if teachers could detect which essays were ai generated - the teachers failed!

OMG!

Never thought about that possibility!

Thank you to everyone who keeps posting useful links here.

As things develop this will be our own little documentary for future stock historians…
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 13, 2023, 07:05
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/06/nature-bans-ai-generated-art-from-its-153-year-old-science-journal/

"Many national regulatory and legal systems are still formulating their responses to the rise of generative AI," Nature writes. "Until they catch up, as a publisher of research and creative works, Nature’s stance will remain a simple 'no' to the inclusion of visual content created using generative AI."
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cascoly on June 13, 2023, 14:32
i have wondered if it was written by Chatgtp as a prank, but thought there are too many mistakes....

you can ask  chatGPT to include grammatical mistakes, misspellings.

this was done in an experiment to see if teachers could detect which essays were ai generated - the teachers failed!

OMG!

Never thought about that possibility!

Thank you to everyone who keeps posting useful links here.

As things develop this will be our own little documentary for future stock historians…

on a positive note - teachers are inverting tasks - former in class tasks are done at home - short essays are written in class w/o electronics
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on June 14, 2023, 15:28
Adobe no longer requires that we add generative ai illustration to everything in titles, keywords in metadata...we just have to select generative ai on upload

https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/update-to-metadata-requirements-for-generative-ai-content-at-adobe-stock/msg588189/?topicseen#new (https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/update-to-metadata-requirements-for-generative-ai-content-at-adobe-stock/msg588189/?topicseen#new)

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Evaristo tenscadisto on June 14, 2023, 15:34
Just a follow up to my last post in this topic...

The EU has come one-step closer to having the world's first law regulating Artificial Intelligence. The European Parliament voted today in favor to approve the AI Act. Next step, the talks will now begin with EU countries in the Council on the final form of the law. The aim is to reach an agreement by the end of this year.

From the series of measures, I highlight the following extracted from the news of the European Parliament:

"Generative AI, like ChatGPT, would have to comply with transparency requirements:

    Disclosing that the content was generated by AI
    Designing the model to prevent it from generating illegal content
    Publishing summaries of copyrighted data used for training

Limited risk
Limited risk AI systems should comply with minimal transparency requirements that would allow users to make informed decisions. After interacting with the applications, the user can then decide whether they want to continue using it. Users should be made aware when they are interacting with AI. This includes AI systems that generate or manipulate image, audio or video content, for example deepfakes."


link to European parliament news: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/society/20230601STO93804/eu-ai-act-first-regulation-on-artificial-intelligence (https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/society/20230601STO93804/eu-ai-act-first-regulation-on-artificial-intelligence)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Just_to_inform_people2 on June 14, 2023, 15:44
Just a follow up to my last post in this topic...

The EU has come one-step closer to having the world's first law regulating Artificial Intelligence. The European Parliament voted today in favor to approve the AI Act. Next step, the talks will now begin with EU countries in the Council on the final form of the law. The aim is to reach an agreement by the end of this year.

From the series of measures, I highlight the following extracted from the news of the European Parliament:

"Generative AI, like ChatGPT, would have to comply with transparency requirements:

    Disclosing that the content was generated by AI
    Designing the model to prevent it from generating illegal content
    Publishing summaries of copyrighted data used for training

Limited risk
Limited risk AI systems should comply with minimal transparency requirements that would allow users to make informed decisions. After interacting with the applications, the user can then decide whether they want to continue using it. Users should be made aware when they are interacting with AI. This includes AI systems that generate or manipulate image, audio or video content, for example deepfakes."


link to European parliament news: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/society/20230601STO93804/eu-ai-act-first-regulation-on-artificial-intelligence (https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/society/20230601STO93804/eu-ai-act-first-regulation-on-artificial-intelligence)
Yes, but with all the ideas that the European parliament has, what impact will it make? Also this statement is way to vague. What actual laws do you think will come out of it? It will take years (if even something will get written black on white) and then it's already there and nothing can be done about it anymore. That will be the reality of it. Maybe they will fine some big American company or so by then (to collect some money) but everything will go on as usual.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Evaristo tenscadisto on June 14, 2023, 16:41
Just a follow up to my last post in this topic...

The EU has come one-step closer to having the world's first law regulating Artificial Intelligence. The European Parliament voted today in favor to approve the AI Act. Next step, the talks will now begin with EU countries in the Council on the final form of the law. The aim is to reach an agreement by the end of this year.

From the series of measures, I highlight the following extracted from the news of the European Parliament:

"Generative AI, like ChatGPT, would have to comply with transparency requirements:

    Disclosing that the content was generated by AI
    Designing the model to prevent it from generating illegal content
    Publishing summaries of copyrighted data used for training

Limited risk
Limited risk AI systems should comply with minimal transparency requirements that would allow users to make informed decisions. After interacting with the applications, the user can then decide whether they want to continue using it. Users should be made aware when they are interacting with AI. This includes AI systems that generate or manipulate image, audio or video content, for example deepfakes."


link to European parliament news: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/society/20230601STO93804/eu-ai-act-first-regulation-on-artificial-intelligence (https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/society/20230601STO93804/eu-ai-act-first-regulation-on-artificial-intelligence)
Yes, but with all the ideas that the European parliament has, what impact will it make? Also this statement is way to vague. What actual laws do you think will come out of it? It will take years (if even something will get written black on white) and then it's already there and nothing can be done about it anymore. That will be the reality of it. Maybe they will fine some big American company or so by then (to collect some money) but everything will go on as usual.

Well... i really don't know at this point but I think we will have a note or a banner whenever we interact with an AI device. This will be for soon and not years. For Generative AI platforms like midjourney or stable diffusion probably they must provide some evidences where the work was based on. I don't see big issues at the moment since i see it as fair use or transformation art/work in my humble opinion.

But chat gpt is different since it can provide code and knowledge about things that goes beyond fair use. For example, in December last year there were people trying to find a workaround to ask Chatgpt how to rob a bank. Of course you can not ask Chatgpt directly, so they come up with the idea of roleplaying with chatgpt to extract the idea how to do it and what was the best way. 

Let me ask you how can Chatgpt have such knowledge? Where did AI learn this from? And if this goes to other fields like weapons, virus or terrorism?

That's why EU parliament wants chatgpt to Design the model to prevent it from generating illegal content and Publishing summaries of copyrighted data used for training to guarantee safety to all EU citizens. I don't believe this will take years and I wonder why CEO of ChatGPT developer OpenAI said "the firm may pull out of the Europe Union if current draft legislation is not toned down"? I wonder what Chatgpt have been learning... probably the good, the bad and the ugly.  ;)



Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Her Ugliness on June 15, 2023, 00:40

Yes, but with all the ideas that the European parliament has, what impact will it make?

I posted a news article about this law already where it stated that for example GPT Chat has announced that if the law  that the copyrighted source material that was used to train an AI has to be made public would pass, they would rather withdraw from the European market than do that, because they fear legal consequences. That would be a rather big impact, don't you think?
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Just_to_inform_people2 on June 15, 2023, 11:04

Yes, but with all the ideas that the European parliament has, what impact will it make?

I posted a news article about this law already where it stated that for example GPT Chat has announced that if the law  that the copyrighted source material that was used to train an AI has to be made public would pass, they would rather withdraw from the European market than do that, because they fear legal consequences. That would be a rather big impact, don't you think?
It might, but will it come this far? Will then ChatGPT dissapear in the EU? I wonder.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cascoly on June 15, 2023, 13:02
...

"Generative AI, like ChatGPT, would have to comply with transparency requirements:
...
    Publishing summaries of copyrighted data used for training


... This includes AI systems that generate or manipulate image, audio or video content, for example deepfakes."

...

a good first start - I'm hope they consider:

how can those offering ai know what images were used when the systems don't provide that info & how would it be saved &H displayed?  besides working thru agencies, artists offer their work on  independent website's & POD sites such as FAA

PS uses AI in many of it's tools & filters to manipulate images
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Her Ugliness on June 15, 2023, 13:33
...

"Generative AI, like ChatGPT, would have to comply with transparency requirements:
...
    Publishing summaries of copyrighted data used for training


... This includes AI systems that generate or manipulate image, audio or video content, for example deepfakes."

...

a good first start - I'm hope they consider:

how can those offering ai know what images were used when the systems don't provide that info & how would it be saved &H displayed?  besides working thru agencies, artists offer their work on  independent website's & POD sites such as FAA


This is not a rule for microstock sites offering AI images for sale, this is a rule for companies that develope AI. They, so sites like ChatGTP or Midjourney or stable difusion would have to show which images they used to train their AI.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Evaristo tenscadisto on June 15, 2023, 19:01
...

"Generative AI, like ChatGPT, would have to comply with transparency requirements:
...
    Publishing summaries of copyrighted data used for training


... This includes AI systems that generate or manipulate image, audio or video content, for example deepfakes."

...

a good first start - I'm hope they consider:

how can those offering ai know what images were used when the systems don't provide that info & how would it be saved &H displayed?  besides working thru agencies, artists offer their work on  independent website's & POD sites such as FAA


This is not a rule for microstock sites offering AI images for sale, this is a rule for companies that develope AI. They, so sites like ChatGTP or Midjourney or stable difusion would have to show which images they used to train their AI.

or Adobe firefly which is an ai art generator too... or maybe Adobe photoshop where Adobe Unveils Future of Creative Cloud With Generative AI as a Creative Co-Pilot in Photoshop.  ;)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on June 15, 2023, 19:35
https://technomancers.ai/japan-goes-all-in-copyright-doesnt-apply-to-ai-training/?utm_source=www.theneurondaily.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=10x-less-meetings#more-642 (https://technomancers.ai/japan-goes-all-in-copyright-doesnt-apply-to-ai-training/?utm_source=www.theneurondaily.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=10x-less-meetings#more-642)

In Japan copyright does not apply to ai training
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Her Ugliness on June 16, 2023, 00:45


or Adobe firefly which is an ai art generator too...

Yes, if that rule came into effect, Adobe Firefly would have to disclose all material that was used to train the AI - But they are already doing that by saying it was tarined with "their" images in their database.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on June 17, 2023, 07:43
ai being trained on ai Images breaks down ai

https://venturebeat.com/ai/the-ai-feedback-loop-researchers-warn-of-model-collapse-as-ai-trains-on-ai-generated-content/
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on June 21, 2023, 12:32
adobe will cover your legal bills if you use firefly and something goes wrong

https://www.fastcompany.com/90906560/adobe-feels-so-confident-its-firefly-generative-ai-wont-breach-copyright-itll-cover-your-legal-bills?fbclid=IwAR2dbIITYi88x06jWrlWwlRrw7WMV4eopwwnTHUF4fTEo_w7xZb6KLnysZs (https://www.fastcompany.com/90906560/adobe-feels-so-confident-its-firefly-generative-ai-wont-breach-copyright-itll-cover-your-legal-bills?fbclid=IwAR2dbIITYi88x06jWrlWwlRrw7WMV4eopwwnTHUF4fTEo_w7xZb6KLnysZs)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on June 21, 2023, 13:11
Newspaper in Germany cutting 20% of Jobs because of AI

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/21/media/bild-germany-newspaper-ai-layoffs/index.html

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 21, 2023, 15:14
This case isn't new - about the lawyers who used ChatGPT to do research for a brief and didn't check what it returned (beyond asking ChatGPT if the results were accurate - it said "yes"). The cases were all made up (you can read more about the details elsewhere) and the lawyer faced a disciplinary hearing. A different lawyer in Colorado had to withdraw a motion as he'd done the same thing but checked after hearing about the other case.

https://abovethelaw.com/2023/06/lawyer-figures-out-chatgpt-made-up-fake-cases-in-his-brief-on-day-of-hearing/ (https://abovethelaw.com/2023/06/lawyer-figures-out-chatgpt-made-up-fake-cases-in-his-brief-on-day-of-hearing/)
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/03/lawyer-chatgpt-research-avianca-statement-ai-risk-openai-deepmind (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/03/lawyer-chatgpt-research-avianca-statement-ai-risk-openai-deepmind)


For any newspaper planning to use AI to help with stories, how will they "save time" on research and writing unless they don't bother checking to see if their ChatGPT (or similar) has made the whole thing up? And who would bother to read work from any media outlet where they haven't bothered to try and verify what they're writing?

A Texas judge requires lawyers to disclose if AI was used and "... to certify that they did not use generative AI, or if they did, a human verified the accuracy of their filings."

https://aibusiness.com/nlp/-chatgpt-lawyer-faces-sanctions-for-fake-cases (https://aibusiness.com/nlp/-chatgpt-lawyer-faces-sanctions-for-fake-cases)

This story shows how much extra work is generated when people try to follow up on made-up information (in this case a newspaper article that was never published because AI made it up). It's only a time saver if you don't care about accuracy

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/apr/06/ai-chatgpt-guardian-technology-risks-fake-article (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/apr/06/ai-chatgpt-guardian-technology-risks-fake-article)

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: derby on June 21, 2023, 16:09
This story shows how much extra work is generated when people try to follow up on made-up information (in this case a newspaper article that was never published because AI made it up). It's only a time saver if you don't care about accuracy

Yes this point will be absolutely THE point in the next future: it's better (translate: it's faster) to do your job by yourself (news article, images, research... anything), or it's better (translate faster) to let AI do the job... and then check it for errors?
It's all about the time, that is one of our precious thing. Probably the most precious.

About the accuracy... of a text, a photo, or anything else, how deep it should be is a human choice, not AI choice. Your examples in other threads of how low accuracy there is in many AI generated images is the answer. Lot of people think that accuracy is not necessary, because AI save a lot of time.
Putting accuracy in AI generated images take hours of work, it's absolutely not easy at all.
So, in the end, in our microstock images world, what we're asking (for example to Adobe, but it's the same for others) is to put same accuracy (translate: more time) in review images.

In few month AI engines, in my opinion, are reaching the point; humans are starting to ask themselves the weight of accuracy; and the critical thinking; and this is really a good way to use the AI
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 22, 2023, 15:37
"Adobe wants to help language-based AI paint a better picture. The company filed a patent application for what it calls a “visually guided” machine learning language model. Adobe’s system aims to help language-based machine learning models overcome the “limited visual intuition” they have trying to visibly comprehend what’s represented in text. "

https://www.thedailyupside.com/adobe-catches-blind-spots/?source=eptyholnk0000202 (https://www.thedailyupside.com/adobe-catches-blind-spots/?source=eptyholnk0000202)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 22, 2023, 19:30
Venture Beat covers contributor unhappiness with Adobe's AI moves

https://venturebeat.com/ai/adobe-stock-creators-arent-happy-with-firefly-the-companys-commercially-safe-gen-ai-tool/

And another Adobe partnership that includes use of Firefly - with IBM

https://venturebeat.com/ai/ibm-expands-adobe-partnership-accelerate-content-supply-chains-generative-ai/

"IBM announced that it will expand its existing collaboration with Adobe to leverage Adobe Sensei GenAI services and Adobe Firefly, a suite of creative generative AI models (currently in beta).. . .The services provided will include the use of Firefly, initially focused on generating images and text effects, and Sensei GenAI services, which function as a copilot for marketers embedded in Adobe’s enterprise applications."
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on June 23, 2023, 07:06
Shutterstock introduces the dataset catalogue, which seems to be a second portfolio of inferior deemed content only to be used for ai/datasets

https://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/a-new-ss-anouncement-not-sure-what-it-realy-means/msg588587/?topicseen#new (https://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/a-new-ss-anouncement-not-sure-what-it-realy-means/msg588587/?topicseen#new)

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on June 23, 2023, 07:07
123rf introduces ai variations

https://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/(123rf)-introducing-image-variations-powered-by-artificial-intelligence/msg588589/?topicseen#new (https://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/(123rf)-introducing-image-variations-powered-by-artificial-intelligence/msg588589/?topicseen#new)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 24, 2023, 08:39
Midjourney is adding new features - zoom out. The comments are interesting as well as the article itself

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/06/stunning-midjourney-update-wows-ai-artists-with-camera-like-feature/

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: gameover on June 24, 2023, 08:43
Midjourney is adding new features - zoom out. The comments are interesting as well as the article itself

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/06/stunning-midjourney-update-wows-ai-artists-with-camera-like-feature/
I used it, here my first attempt: very entertaining  ;D

(https://luisafumi-digitalart.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/6-indy-zoomout-alone.jpg)

Midjourney 5.2 tells stories!
you can see the sequence here
https://luisafumi-digitalart.com/blog/2023/06/24/midjourney-5-2-tell-stories/ (https://luisafumi-digitalart.com/blog/2023/06/24/midjourney-5-2-tell-stories/)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on June 24, 2023, 08:47
That looks like a useful feature.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on June 24, 2023, 10:32
That looks like a useful feature.

Especially would be good for Dall-e when it tends to cut off heads and feet! Also lets say you have an image you like, and it's square, then zoom out and you have something that can be cropped?

Sorry, I'm still not paying for this, and it seems that the better the systems get, the more that human "artists" will become unnecessary.

How much do you want to work, for a dime?

(https://i.postimg.cc/tgYWV2Bf/microstock-text-fork-sq.jpg)

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on June 24, 2023, 12:58
Compared to real photography, ai can save a lot of time and production costs.

And my photos are being sold between 1 cent to 3 dollars, with Adobe having an average around 85 cents.

But the quality for what I do is too low on ai, so I continue to take photos and use ai for normal illustrations with watercolor or painting style that can expand what Imoffer in a genre, in my case christmas greeting cards. They will not sell in high volume, but every sale will be an additional sale.

I get regular customers for my work, I am sure thex will enjoy picking up something else while they look around my port.

I don‘t really see the advantage in using ai for „photography“.

Perhaps if I want to do a series about exploring Mars or climbing a high mountain.

For normal situations photos are faster, you get exactly what you want and you can do video as well.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on June 25, 2023, 11:34
Mostphotos doesn't want ai content

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 26, 2023, 15:02
Article with results of a recent poll to find out what people are using, have heard of, are worried about or expect to happen in the future

"To find out what people really think about AI and what they want from it, The Verge teamed up with Vox Media’s Insights and Research team and the research consultancy firm The Circus to poll more than 2,000 US adults on their thoughts, feelings, and fears about AI. The results tell the story of an emerging, uncertain, and exciting technology — where many have yet to use it, many are fearful of its potential, and many still have great hopes for what it could someday do for them."

https://www.theverge.com/c/23753704/ai-chatgpt-data-survey-research (https://www.theverge.com/c/23753704/ai-chatgpt-data-survey-research)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 27, 2023, 19:42
"Unfortunately, Secret Invasion’s AI credits are exactly what we should expect from Marvel"

https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/27/23770133/secret-invasion-ai-credits-marvel (https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/27/23770133/secret-invasion-ai-credits-marvel)

"Soon after Secret Invasion’s first episode debuted, executive producer Ali Salim confirmed to Polygon that visual effects company Method Studios had used AI tools to help generate the credits, calling the approach “explorative and inevitable.” As that glib use of “inevitable” might indicate, Marvel appeared to be unprepared for the blowback the news created — particularly at a time when artists have been voicing their concerns about the proliferation of AI tools — and seemed not to have considered how its use of the technology might be seen by some as a sign of things to come."
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on July 03, 2023, 11:29
A good definition article about synthography

https://proaiartgallery.com/blogs/news/what-is-synthography
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on July 03, 2023, 14:38
That overview conveniently omits any mention of the training of the models that are now generating images. Without our images as source input for training, none of this would exist - the article makes it sound as if it the software could create images on its own: "...synthography synthesizes images based on words and ideas, creating pictures depicting literally everything one can imagine".

Without the training material to associate those words and ideas with imagery, there'd only be the prompter's imagination and blankness. A little honesty about the process would go a long way (not as far as getting paid for the wholesale use of a web's worth of words, images, etc., but a long way)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on July 03, 2023, 15:23
I noticed that, but I think when it comes to just working with ai as a new medium it is a useful article.

The legal stuff will get sorted out in the next three years, ethically trained ais wil rise to the top, because companies cannot take the legal risks.

But any creative process now gets to use ai assistance. And it will change how we work.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on July 05, 2023, 08:24
This is about music - grammy eligibility for music with some AI-generated parts - but the same issues will be raised for content in stock agencies. If a part, but not all of, an uploaded image was AI generated, should that be tagged as an AI image or not? And does how much of the image was AI generated matter?

https://apnews.com/article/grammys-ceo-ai-rules-interview-dea135035893deab37719c354f31a889

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on July 06, 2023, 11:27
https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/shutterstock-offers-enterprise-customers-indemnification-for-ai-image-creation-856356568.html (https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/shutterstock-offers-enterprise-customers-indemnification-for-ai-image-creation-856356568.html)

Shutterstock is offering Enterprise customers legal indemnification for AI generated content

"This is a critical advancement, not just for our platform, but for the industry as creatives and business professionals alike can use the AI content generated on our platform for any purpose, whether it's commercial or personal, without worrying about copyright infringement or ethical issues....We're excited to play a leading role in shaping how generative capabilities can be leveraged ethically, safely and in more creative ways than ever. We feel it's a crucial step towards protecting our customers and our artists."
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Just_to_inform_people2 on July 06, 2023, 12:58
https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/shutterstock-offers-enterprise-customers-indemnification-for-ai-image-creation-856356568.html (https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/shutterstock-offers-enterprise-customers-indemnification-for-ai-image-creation-856356568.html)

Shutterstock is offering Enterprise customers legal indemnification for AI generated content

"This is a critical advancement, not just for our platform, but for the industry as creatives and business professionals alike can use the AI content generated on our platform for any purpose, whether it's commercial or personal, without worrying about copyright infringement or ethical issues....We're excited to play a leading role in shaping how generative capabilities can be leveraged ethically, safely and in more creative ways than ever. We feel it's a crucial step towards protecting our customers and our artists."
Then they are very sure of their case or taking a huge gamble with their company. Interesting.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on July 06, 2023, 13:26
They are following the lead of Adobe.

It is probably the thing customers keep asking for..."but on Adobe we get legal protection..."

I have done a lot of test searches for my finished "creations". I usually cannot find anything similar on stock agencies (didn't try the entire planet).

Unless it is very, very generic, like a red heart.

The remixes are quite creative, so unless the producer intentionally used the style of a well known artist or brand like starwars, pixar...I don't think it is such a common problem to run into copyright issues.

If the inspections are good...

So I guess soon SS will allow ai content to be uploaded.

Now, when firefly goes live...will other agencies accept firefly generated content?

Actually I wouldn't be surprised if Getty/Nvidia come out with their own ai generator and Getty only allows content from the Nvidia app.

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on July 09, 2023, 17:31
https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/9/23788741/sarah-silverman-openai-meta-chatgpt-llama-copyright-infringement-chatbots-artificial-intelligence-ai (https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/9/23788741/sarah-silverman-openai-meta-chatgpt-llama-copyright-infringement-chatbots-artificial-intelligence-ai)

"In both claims, the authors say that they “did not consent to the use of their copyrighted books as training material” for the companies’ AI models. Their lawsuits each contain six counts of various types of copyright violations, negligence, unjust enrichment, and unfair competition. The authors are looking for statutory damages, restitution of profits, and more."
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: gameover on July 10, 2023, 02:35
I'm following the blog ( https://www.technollama.co.uk/ (https://www.technollama.co.uk/)) of  Dr Andrés Guadamuz expert of  Intellectual Property Law at the University of Sussex (also quoted in a post by Jo Ann)
His articles cover topics on copyright, infringement, artificial intelligence and machine learning.

Here a draft  : A Scanner Darkly: Copyright Infringement in Artificial Intelligence Inputs and Outputs
https://drive.google.com/file/d/19fVgFAOK0X0Mwbp-Z5w5WcaeTO8Cx7Lx/view?pli=1 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/19fVgFAOK0X0Mwbp-Z5w5WcaeTO8Cx7Lx/view?pli=1)

and the last article Authors sue OpenAI for copyright infringement https://www.technollama.co.uk/authors-sue-openai-for-copyright-infringement (https://www.technollama.co.uk/authors-sue-openai-for-copyright-infringement)

Enjoy (as I do)  :)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on July 10, 2023, 03:02
That artists should be able to have their content removed from ai collection material should be the minimum that the courts establish as a new law.

This would of course extend to texts, music, software.

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Her Ugliness on July 10, 2023, 03:31
That artists should be able to have their content removed from ai collection material should be the minimum that the courts establish as a new law.

This would of course extend to texts, music, software.

I am not sure that's even possible, as the AI doesn't store and access the copyrighted material anywhere. It was just trained on it. Unless all AI is reset to zero you  probably cannot remove a single piece of work from what has already been used - and even then people have already used the AI trained with copyrighted material to create new content, which then again the AI could use, even if the original copyrighted material could somehow be "untrained" from the AI.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on July 10, 2023, 04:28
Then they will have to create a new ai version with legally licensed content. The way Adobe did with firefly.

This argument is like making a painting that looks like copyrighted work and saying, oh but I just looked at it on the ointernet, I never downloaded it.

same for music, oh I heard it somewhere, no idea when or where.

It does not help you.

They could however, simply make the ai producer responsible.

If you put out something for commercial use that looks like something that is copyright protected...then the ai scrapers could continue to scrape the entire internet.

Music, text and image producers would the have to keep looking for similars of their work and sue the way they do it now.

This solution would be what the agencies would love.

We will see what happens.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Her Ugliness on July 10, 2023, 05:58
Then they will have to create a new ai version with legally licensed content. The way Adobe did with firefly.

This argument is like making a painting that looks like copyrighted work and saying, oh but I just looked at it on the ointernet, I never downloaded it.

same for music, oh I heard it somewhere, no idea when or where.

It does not help you.

They could however, simply make the ai producer responsible.

If you put out something for commercial use that looks like something that is copyright protected...then the ai scrapers could continue to scrape the entire internet.

Music, text and image producers would the have to keep looking for similars of their work and sue the way they do it now.

This solution would be what the agencies would love.

We will see what happens.

You do not have to tell me. I think AI trained on unlicensed content is absolutely utterly wrong and should be highly illegal (AND that includes Adobe firefly! Never have they asked me for permission nor compensated me for using my work ). But I think artists should get money - A LOT of money for the damage that using their work has caused and that just "removing" one image from the training set once the damage has already been done is not helping.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cascoly on July 10, 2023, 13:59
...
If you put out something for commercial use that looks like something that is copyright protected...then the ai scrapers could continue to scrape the entire internet.

Music, text and image producers would the have to keep looking for similars of their work and sue the way they do it now.

This solution would be what the agencies would love.

We will see what happens.

there are already many thousands of similar images in any database - does the first to photograph the taj mahal at dawn get to ban all others taken from the same place? how do you claim copyright for sliced tomatoes?
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cascoly on July 10, 2023, 14:05
.... But I think artists should get money - A LOT of money for the damage that using their work has caused and that just "removing" one image from the training set once the damage has already been done is not helping.

evidence such damage has occurred?

how do you determine damage?  esp'ly when it's based on one image among millions used for the training set? and, as you've noted, new images don't directly reference any image.

 any claim needs to be based on the original collection used for training as a matter of copyright
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on July 11, 2023, 15:05
"Software giant Adobe has banned employees from using their private email addresses or corporate credit cards to sign up and pay for machine learning products and services."

https://petapixel.com/2023/07/06/adobe-limits-its-employees-use-of-generative-ai/ (https://petapixel.com/2023/07/06/adobe-limits-its-employees-use-of-generative-ai/)
https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/10/in_brief_ai/ (https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/10/in_brief_ai/)

Emphasis mine - I wish contributors to Adobe Stock had that option...

"Adobe hasn't banned third-party applications like ChatGPT outright, but has strict restrictions in place on what is and isn't allowed on such systems. Employees should not reveal their input prompts, upload private Adobe data or code to generate email drafts, summarize documents, or patch software bugs.

They should also make sure to opt out of having content from their conversations being used as training data. In addition they can't sign up to use these tools with their own private email addresses or pay for a subscription with their corporate credit cards (or pay with a personal card and claim it back as an expense). "
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on July 11, 2023, 15:23
Another contributor brought Lasco.ai to my attention. It's a beta generative AI platform that for the moment is free to use

https://www.kedglobal.com/artificial-intelligence/newsView/ked202304130025 (https://www.kedglobal.com/artificial-intelligence/newsView/ked202304130025)

The way they were promoting it was unfortunate.

No idea what they'll charge for this service when it's out of beta, or what their training data is, and thus how safe for commercial use any output would be. Their example gallery has a fairly narrow range of types of images; I'm not planning to try it out, but thought it worth noting here in case anyone else is inclined to

https://www.lasco.ai/ (https://www.lasco.ai/)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on July 12, 2023, 11:34
Petapixel quotes Robert Kneschke on how much SS is paying out to artists for ai use

https://petapixel.com/2023/07/12/shutterstock-may-have-paid-out-over-4-million-from-its-ai-contributor-fund/?fbclid=IwAR0ZWlnFc-ujmLJZrjAqcanUrUZzSGDHL7bQ7F01_VSqFAxAZvN7m3-Zafg

That is really very little money.

Will be interesting to see how Adobe does this.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Her Ugliness on July 12, 2023, 11:39

The way they were promoting it was unfortunate.

https://www.lasco.ai/ (https://www.lasco.ai/)

The way they are promoting is is just telling how things will be in the future, no matter how much some people refuse to see it. Apart from editorial photos of real places, events and people, it will be indeed "say goodbay to paid stock images".  Which, from our persepective translates into "Say goodbye to being paid for stock images".
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on July 13, 2023, 15:43
https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/13/23794224/sag-aftra-actors-strike-ai-image-rights (https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/13/23794224/sag-aftra-actors-strike-ai-image-rights)

 “This ‘groundbreaking’ AI proposal that they gave us yesterday, they proposed that our background performers should be able to be scanned, get one day’s pay, and their companies should own that scan, their image, their likeness and should be able to use it for the rest of eternity on any project they want, with no consent and no compensation. So if you think that’s a groundbreaking proposal, I suggest you think again.”
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on July 13, 2023, 15:48
There is a very on point episode on black mirror that deals with this situation

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt20247352/?ref_=ttep_ep1 (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt20247352/?ref_=ttep_ep1)

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Lina on July 16, 2023, 13:41
I just started watching, but it seems interesting so far:

"The Senate Judiciary Subcommittee holds a hearing on artificial intelligence and intellectual property on Wednesday.
Witnesses testifying include Jeffrey Harleston, general counsel and executive VP of business and legal affairs at Universal Music Group; Karla Ortiz, concept artist and illustrator; Matthew Sag, professor of artificial intelligence at Emory University School of Law; Dana Rao, executive VP and general counsel at Adobe Inc., and Ben Brooks, head of public policy at Stability AI."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoCJun7gkbA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoCJun7gkbA)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on July 18, 2023, 09:31
Not sure how good the evaluations were (no idea who/what Insider Monkey is) but here's there take on the top 15 AI image generators (note that for the top 5 you have to follow a link, and then to get 4-3-2-1 you have to click "Next" links like a slide show. The site is littered with ads)

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/15-best-ai-image-generators-050331833.html

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Her Ugliness on July 18, 2023, 09:41
Not sure how good the evaluations were (no idea who/what Insider Monkey is) but here's there take on the top 15 AI image generators (note that for the top 5 you have to follow a link, and then to get 4-3-2-1 you have to click "Next" links like a slide show. The site is littered with ads)

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/15-best-ai-image-generators-050331833.html
I am not sure whoever wrote this really tried out all these Ai image generators, or at least tried them in a way to be able to make any judgement. For midjourney it says "While users cannot choose specific art style...". But of couse you can say what art style you want for the image to be in your pormots.

And I don't understand how DALL·E 2 is on the top. I have only tried out a few of these image generators, but I thought DALL·E 2 was the one with the worst results.
And the article does not even really explain how they rated these genators or why one is better than the other, so even after reading this I still don't understand why they think DALL was the number 1.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cascoly on July 18, 2023, 19:37
There is a very on point episode on black mirror that deals with this situation

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt20247352/?ref_=ttep_ep1 (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt20247352/?ref_=ttep_ep1)

a great episode
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on July 18, 2023, 23:12
Interesting article about celebrities and actors that embrace deepfakes.

It is true that they might be earning very good money, because the companies save much money on production costs.

Perhaps if they can negotiate a perpetual royalty deal or just a yearly license, it is a way for some to build up a passive income stream.

It all depends on the contract.

The real competution will be companies using fully generic fake actors created with ai.

It also not completely knew, many actors license their likeness and voice for computer games and their avatars are used by the millions every day.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-65995089 (https://www.bbc.com/news/business-65995089)

The technology is here, it will stay.

Adapt or die said the photographer to the oil painter after taking the wedding portraits.

And suddenly normal people could have their image saved for all eternity, a privilege only rich people could afford before.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on July 19, 2023, 11:30
Writers demanding compensation for ai training

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/19/tech/authors-demand-payment-ai/index.html
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on July 21, 2023, 15:37
https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/21/23803244/meta-google-openai-microsoft-artificial-intelligence-ai-white-house-commitments (https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/21/23803244/meta-google-openai-microsoft-artificial-intelligence-ai-white-house-commitments)

"In a Friday blog post, OpenAI said that the watermarking agreements would require the companies to “develop tools or APIs to determine if a particular piece of content was created with their system.” "

"Google pledged to deploy similar disclosures earlier this year. Kent Walker, Google’s president of global affairs, reiterated that commitment in a statement Friday, saying that the company would “soon be integrating watermarking, metadata, and other innovative techniques into” upcoming generative systems. "

https://openai.com/blog/moving-ai-governance-forward (https://openai.com/blog/moving-ai-governance-forward)

https://arstechnica.com/ai/2023/07/openai-google-will-watermark-ai-generated-content-to-hinder-deepfakes-misinfo/ (https://arstechnica.com/ai/2023/07/openai-google-will-watermark-ai-generated-content-to-hinder-deepfakes-misinfo/)

"It's currently unclear how the watermark will work, but it will likely be embedded in the content so that users can trace its origins to the AI tools used to generate it."

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on July 23, 2023, 11:36
There is a very on point episode on black mirror that deals with this situation

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt20247352/?ref_=ttep_ep1 (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt20247352/?ref_=ttep_ep1)

Just watched that one a couple weeks ago. Gotta love the ending.  ;D
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on July 25, 2023, 08:50
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/shutterstock-joins-the-content-authenticity-initiative-301884514.html (https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/shutterstock-joins-the-content-authenticity-initiative-301884514.html)

I love the title of one Shutterstock employee quoted: Senior Director of Artificial Intelligence and Data Science
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Lina on July 26, 2023, 00:31
According to some reports, Adobe staff worried they are killing jobs of their own customers with AI:

https://www-benzinga-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.benzinga.com/amp/content/33368787
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Her Ugliness on July 26, 2023, 01:23
According to some reports, Adobe staff worried they are killing jobs of their own customers with AI:

https://www-benzinga-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.benzinga.com/amp/content/33368787 (https://www-benzinga-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.benzinga.com/amp/content/33368787)

Here is the original articles with more details.
https://www.businessinsider.com/adobe-ai-firefly-kill-graphic-designer-jobs-cut-seat-sales-2023-7?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=business-sf&utm_source=headtopics&utm_medium=news&utm_campaign=2023-07-25 (https://www.businessinsider.com/adobe-ai-firefly-kill-graphic-designer-jobs-cut-seat-sales-2023-7?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=business-sf&utm_source=headtopics&utm_medium=news&utm_campaign=2023-07-25)


Some key notes:

"Adobe often sells cloud software subscriptions based on the number of seats, or licenses (...). A company with, say, 5 graphic designers in-house would buy five licenses. So if designers are getting laid off, demand for licenses might fall"

"a group of employees discussed how new generative AI technology is fundamentally different from prior disruptive innovations. Cameras, for example, still required skill and expertise to produce good photography, they said. In contrast, generating AI images requires almost no skill, raising concerns over losing craft and expertise that can only be gained through continued practice and personal creativity"

"previous artistic revolutions opened up new mediums, with cameras helping to create photographs that looked nothing like old paintings, some of the people said. AI images, however, directly compete with existing digital formats. It does not innovate in the way a camera does in that it replaces people in the mediums that it draws data from instead of opening up new means of expression"


.... how some constributors still think AI was a good thing and they will still have a job in 10 years where all they do is enter prompts when not even the customers - the designers - are safe, is beyond me.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Lina on July 26, 2023, 03:07
According to some reports, Adobe staff worried they are killing jobs of their own customers with AI:

https://www-benzinga-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.benzinga.com/amp/content/33368787 (https://www-benzinga-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.benzinga.com/amp/content/33368787)

Here is the original articles with more details.
https://www.businessinsider.com/adobe-ai-firefly-kill-graphic-designer-jobs-cut-seat-sales-2023-7?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=business-sf&utm_source=headtopics&utm_medium=news&utm_campaign=2023-07-25 (https://www.businessinsider.com/adobe-ai-firefly-kill-graphic-designer-jobs-cut-seat-sales-2023-7?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=business-sf&utm_source=headtopics&utm_medium=news&utm_campaign=2023-07-25)


Some key notes:

"Adobe often sells cloud software subscriptions based on the number of seats, or licenses (...). A company with, say, 5 graphic designers in-house would buy five licenses. So if designers are getting laid off, demand for licenses might fall"

.... how some constributors still think AI was a good thing and they will still have a job in 10 years where all they do is enter prompts when not even the customers - the designers - are safe, is beyond me.

That article is behind paywall. I think that people who did photo-manipulations are already affected most. Other designers - I don't know, maybe it can replace some simple work but not everything, AI would explode if it heard some of my clients requests. :) In my opinion, Canva destroyed designers much more than AI ever could.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Her Ugliness on July 26, 2023, 04:40
According to some reports, Adobe staff worried they are killing jobs of their own customers with AI:

https://www-benzinga-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.benzinga.com/amp/content/33368787 (https://www-benzinga-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.benzinga.com/amp/content/33368787)

Here is the original articles with more details.
https://www.businessinsider.com/adobe-ai-firefly-kill-graphic-designer-jobs-cut-seat-sales-2023-7?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=business-sf&utm_source=headtopics&utm_medium=news&utm_campaign=2023-07-25 (https://www.businessinsider.com/adobe-ai-firefly-kill-graphic-designer-jobs-cut-seat-sales-2023-7?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=business-sf&utm_source=headtopics&utm_medium=news&utm_campaign=2023-07-25)


Some key notes:

"Adobe often sells cloud software subscriptions based on the number of seats, or licenses (...). A company with, say, 5 graphic designers in-house would buy five licenses. So if designers are getting laid off, demand for licenses might fall"

.... how some constributors still think AI was a good thing and they will still have a job in 10 years where all they do is enter prompts when not even the customers - the designers - are safe, is beyond me.

That article is behind paywall. I think that people who did photo-manipulations are already affected most. Other designers - I don't know, maybe it can replace some simple work but not everything, AI would explode if it heard some of my clients requests. :) In my opinion, Canva destroyed designers much more than AI ever could.

I have not tried Adobe Firefly, so I honestly do not know what it can do, so I do not know to what extend it could really replace experienced designers. But with how fast AI is learning, I think our perspective on this might be very different in just a couple of years.

But the point of the article isn't so much that it will replace all designers, but some and that already is a problem to Adobe. If a firm used to employ 10 designers in the pat, but due to AI they could let go of 3 or 4 that performed more simpler tasks only, that already means less money for Adobe with the business model for  subscriptions based on the number of seats.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on July 26, 2023, 07:01
You could also take the cynical view.

If the new AI tools provided by Adobe allows letting go of people...it saves the company a ton of money. Staff is usually the biggest cost.

This means companies can easily spend a lot more on new Adobe products that help them cut down on staff.

Adobe is certainly aware that they risk losing licensing income by having less seats. I am sure their sales team is currently working hard on new licensing suggestions that will make Adobe even more money.

Adobe provides legal protection if you use their software and generate content. For companies this is important, I doubt large enterprises would allow their staff to use midjourney or any other ai generator that has no legal compliance.

Save 30k/month in costs for staff, but pay Adobe 2000 more a month than whatever they are paying now to have easy to use tools for better productivity and legal protection??

That is an easy sell.

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on July 27, 2023, 19:14
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/07/stable-diffusion-xl-puts-ai-generated-visual-worlds-at-your-gpus-command/

The fantasy images are (IMO) better than the attempts to depict the real world with all these genAI tools. The elephant-octopus hybrid is visually cool, but in terms of stock image licensing, how much of a market is there for that? In other words, beyond the "oh WOW", what would business customers (the bulk of the trade for stock image agencies) use it for.

Size is larger (although still pretty small at 1024x1024).
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on July 28, 2023, 11:30
https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2023/07/27/photoshop-releases-new-generative-expand-workflow-global-language-support-for-firefly-powered-features

Using generative fill to change the aspect ratio of an existing image
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on July 28, 2023, 12:43
That is amazing! I have so many images that I could expand and change with this tool. Also always add a good looking vertical image alongside the horizontals.

Or you have a really nice looking bridge, like in the example, but it stands in a horrible landscape or city. or a beautiful old church that is sadly located next to an industrial zone.

Now you can just move it all around to any desired location.

Adobe clients will love this and they will look in even more contracts.

Now imagine being able to do this with video…
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Lina on July 29, 2023, 04:54
AI influencer and scammed anchor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5phuCoTCOM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5phuCoTCOM)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on July 31, 2023, 12:03
Quote from Jo Ann from the other thread:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/adobe-could-add-another-25-093249850.html

"Adobe Inc.’s blistering rally has further to go, according to Morgan Stanley analyst Keith Weiss, who sees the creative software maker’s shares adding a further 25% over the next year."

Right now the stock is up over $20 this morning, at $551.97
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on August 03, 2023, 10:12
https://venturebeat.com/ai/adobe-product-leader-says-ai-wont-kill-graphic-design-even-as-employees-worry/

A Venture Beat article adding a few quotes and tweets from Scott Belsky, chief product officer of Adobe relating to last week's story about Adobe employees' worry about genAI impact.

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on August 03, 2023, 11:05
He makes good points and I like the way he compares it with engineering.

If you have new tools that make your team more productive, you will simply give them more work.

It might still lead to some job losses, but those that are really creative will just love having new tools that allow them to work faster and try more things. It will liberate them.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: wds on August 03, 2023, 13:31
Do the various AI companies maintain enough rights to the images generated by users that they could turn around and start competing with the stock agencies?
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on August 03, 2023, 17:39
Good question.

I pay for the commercial use of my images. Would certainly be annoyed if they just went and started selling my files.

But usually the ai generators tell you you can go ahead and sell them as commercial nft art. I think we would have heard by now if the ai companies started selling the same content somewhere.

That is how it started, ai images for nft art use sold for crypto on blockchains.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on August 04, 2023, 09:14
Under the headline AI Lovefest Fuels Massive Bets On Meta, Tesla, Google And Beyond...

"Companies as disparate as Palantir (PLTR), Adobe (ADBE) and Workday (WDAY) all have tapped into the AI zeitgeist while sparking interest among leading money managers....Just last month, Adobe expanded the availability of its generative AI tool to support text prompts in over 100 languages. On July 6, ADBE stock was featured as the IBD Stock Of The Day as the company took aims to monetize generative AI.

https://www.investors.com/etfs-and-funds/mutual-funds/meta-stock-tesla-google-panw-lead-ai-stocks-to-watch-as-best-mutual-funds-fuel-artificial-intelligence-lovefest/?src=A00220 (https://www.investors.com/etfs-and-funds/mutual-funds/meta-stock-tesla-google-panw-lead-ai-stocks-to-watch-as-best-mutual-funds-fuel-artificial-intelligence-lovefest/?src=A00220)

Also this morning:

https://www.fool.com/investing/2023/08/04/3-ai-stocks-that-are-screaming-buys-in-august/ (https://www.fool.com/investing/2023/08/04/3-ai-stocks-that-are-screaming-buys-in-august/)

"Over the past decade, Adobe transformed all of its flagship desktop applications -- including Photoshop, Premiere Pro, and Illustrator -- into subscription-based cloud services...

Earlier this year, Adobe expanded its older Sensei AI and machine-learning framework with a new generative AI platform called Firefly. The integration of Firefly into its Creative Cloud will streamline the production of digital media by enabling its users to create images, videos, and digital models with simple text-based prompts.

...These sweeping upgrades could spark another multiyear growth cycle for Adobe as the AI market expands."
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on August 07, 2023, 12:00
NY Times article (paywall) about fake travel guides for sale on amazon. One book used as an example had an AI generated author photo - they pointed out the tell-tale signs.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/05/travel/amazon-guidebooks-artificial-intelligence.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/05/travel/amazon-guidebooks-artificial-intelligence.html)

amazon should do better in weeding this print-on-demand fakery out, but the scale of the problem when there are bucketloads of these types of fakes being generated makes it hard even if you are being dilligent.

"Mike Steves’s author photo shows anomalies consistent with its having been created by A.I., including unnatural elements on or near the ears (in this case, a partially formed earring) distorted clothing and a blurry and abstract background."

The story is overall about the proliferation of AI-generated largely useless guides with fake "rave" reviews:

"a new form of travel scam: shoddy guidebooks that appear to be compiled with the help of generative artificial intelligence, self-published and bolstered by sham reviews, that have proliferated in recent months on Amazon. The books are the result of a swirling mix of modern tools: A.I. apps that can produce text and fake portraits; websites with a seemingly endless array of stock photos and graphics; self-publishing platforms — like Amazon’s Kindle Direct Publishing — with few guardrails against the use of A.I.; and the ability to solicit, purchase and post phony online reviews, which runs counter to Amazon’s policies and may soon face increased regulation from the Federal Trade Commission."
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on August 07, 2023, 12:05
The Guardian ran a story about the use of AI tools in architecture and what this means for the profession and the product:

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2023/aug/07/ai-architects-revolutionising-corbusier-architecture (https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2023/aug/07/ai-architects-revolutionising-corbusier-architecture)

"The promises – and perils – of AI have been gripping the world of architecture and design in recent months, but few have grasped that the revolution is already under way. Image-making tools such as Dall-E, Midjourney and Stable Diffusion have allowed the effortless creation of seductive visions: skyscrapers in the style of Frank Lloyd Wright, fantasy mash-ups of sci-fi and art nouveau, squidgy marshmallow staircases, buildings made of rubbish. It might be entertaining to visualise Gaudí designing kitchen gadgets or Le Corbusier embracing parametricism, but AI is already being deployed to shape the real world..."

"...XKool is at the bleeding edge of architectural AI. And it’s growing fast: over 50,000 people are already using it in China, and an English version of its image-to-image AI tool, LookX, has just been launched. Wanyu He founded the company in 2016, with others who used to work for OMA, the architecture practice of Rem Koolhaas (hence the company names). They had become disillusioned with what they saw as an outmoded way of working. “It wasn’t how I imagined the future of architecture,” says He, who worked in OMA’s Rotterdam office before moving to China to oversee construction of the Shenzhen Stock Exchange building. 'The design and construction processes were so traditional and lacking in innovation.' "
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cascoly on August 07, 2023, 15:27
NY Times article (paywall) about fake travel guides for sale on amazon. One book used as an example had an AI generated author photo - they pointed out the tell-tale signs.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/05/travel/amazon-guidebooks-artificial-intelligence.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/05/travel/amazon-guidebooks-artificial-intelligence.html)

amazon should do better in weeding this print-on-demand fakery out, but the scale of the problem when there are bucketloads of these types of fakes being generated makes it hard even if you are being dilligent...

unfortunately, Amazon doesnt do any examination of self-published works - there are dozens of chatGPT & midjourney help & guides. i  have kindle unlimited, i get many books for free (after $9/mo sub).  i downloaded one on how chatgpt works by Stephen Wolfram -- an excellent deep dive into the innards of how these work. but now they suggest many others (how to make a million . etc)  curious, i took a few, since they're free, and have seen better info coming out the back of a bull.

it's becoming another form of multi-lvl marketing and bogus help books previously vomited thru email & online ads
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on August 08, 2023, 16:05
https://arstechnica.com/ai/2023/08/google-record-labels-working-on-deal-covering-musical-deepfakes/

"Google and Universal Music are in talks to license artists’ melodies and voices for songs generated by artificial intelligence as the music business tries to monetize one of its biggest threats....Warner Music, the third-largest music label, has also been talking to Google about a product, said a person familiar with the matter."

I hope that in time we lose the cavalier attitude about it being OK to steal copyrighted, human-created content because you can't do fun AI things without it..

Edited Oct 20 to add a story about Universal Music suing Anthropic for using copyrighted lyrics in its clone of ChatGPT (Claude):

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/10/universal-music-sues-ai-start-up-anthropic-for-scraping-song-lyrics/

"In addition to regurgitating lyrics, Claude responded to prompts asking for writing in the style of popular musicians with unlicensed lyrics, the music companies alleged. “When we asked the AI model to write a piece of short fiction in the style of Louis Armstrong, it uses the lyrics for ‘What a Wonderful World,’” the companies said in the filing."

"“Publishers embrace innovation and recognize the great promise of AI when used ethically and responsibly. But Anthropic violates these principles on a systematic and widespread basis,” the music groups said in Wednesday’s lawsuit."
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on August 08, 2023, 17:54
Professionally licensing content is the right way forward.

The technology will not disappear, but users should have the option to work with an ai where the producers are being compensated.

And then the market will find a new balance.

There was that article about the actress from Singapor who licensed her image for video advertising as an avatar.

Some will say how horrible, but she says it all depends on the details.

For musicians there will always be the revenue from live concerts, maybe including live streaming for those who cannot be there.

And of course many musicians or music writers will now write their songs and bring them to life with ai, with full control over everything.

Young people will grow up with all this technology at their fingertips. Who knows what they will create?

ai is just a tool. It will bring forth a new group of talent.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on August 15, 2023, 10:51
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/08/the-new-york-times-prohibits-ai-vendors-from-devouring-its-content/

"...in section 4.1, the terms say that without NYT's prior written consent, no one may "use the Content for the development of any software program, including, but not limited to, training a machine learning or artificial intelligence (AI) system."
NYT also outlines the consequences for ignoring the restrictions: "Engaging in a prohibited use of the Services may result in civil, criminal, and/or administrative penalties, fines, or sanctions against the user and those assisting the user."

"For now, what has already been scraped is baked into GPT-4, including New York Times content. We may have to wait until GPT-5 to see whether OpenAI or other AI vendors respect content owners' wishes to be left out. If not, new AI lawsuits—or regulations—may be on the horizon."
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: offisapup on August 16, 2023, 01:31
Professionally licensing content is the right way forward.

The technology will not disappear, but users should have the option to work with an ai where the producers are being compensated.

And then the market will find a new balance.

There was that article about the actress from Singapor who licensed her image for video advertising as an avatar.

Some will say how horrible, but she says it all depends on the details.

For musicians there will always be the revenue from live concerts, maybe including live streaming for those who cannot be there.

And of course many musicians or music writers will now write their songs and bring them to life with ai, with full control over everything.

Young people will grow up with all this technology at their fingertips. Who knows what they will create?

ai is just a tool. It will bring forth a new group of talent.

I'm just amazed that in all your "AI POSITIVITY" you aren't able to grasp one simple fact.... How's an artist supposed to make money doing this? Of course, AI will enable people to create and make it easier and people will use and create and blah blah but HOW . DO THEY MAKE MONEY OFF IT IF NO ONE IS WILLING TO PAY THEM FOR IT? That is the issue. So yeah, all the young somethings can play with AI toys and make copycat music and images and movies and whatnots but all it will do is reduce everything to a hobby. There won't be a legitimate way to make money for anyone, which is already close to impossible in these times of streaming. Live concerts are great if you're Taylor Swift but ask any indie musician on the street and they'll tell you it's IMPOSSIBLE. So yeah, you'll need to brush up on those brick-lining skills because that's where bread money will be at and the entire world will be after brick-lining jobs.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on August 17, 2023, 21:20
When exactly was this golden age when anyone interested in music was making a full time income from their gigs?

And how many are making money now by live streaming across the entire planet?

Music, acting, art are a passionate hobby for the majority of people. Always has been.

Only a very, very small group of very hard working and talented people ever became really rich or even regularly made enough for the two kids, one house, two vacations a year lifestyle.

A lot of people are now glorifying a „golden age of art that is being killed by ai“ that never really existed.

The people who are able to become top star full time income artists will also find a way to make a full time top star income when ai is around.

They are not scared. They have ideas.

Art and music as a hobby will continue forever because it is simply a fun thing to do.

Like swimming or dancing or cooking.

You don‘t give it up just because robots can dance.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Mir on August 18, 2023, 16:12
People are uploading AI images on Adobe with the names of the artists they copied included in the title...

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=7196699137025845&set=a.1171422066220279 (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=7196699137025845&set=a.1171422066220279)
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=844099017274867&set=pcb.844099057274863 (https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=844099017274867&set=pcb.844099057274863)

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on August 18, 2023, 16:23
That is just wrong. I am surprised Adobe does not have a warning system for famous artists names.

Is this not easy to implement?
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Mir on August 18, 2023, 17:05
Here is an article I found with some other artists involved.
https://www.creativebloq.com/news/adobe-copyright-ai (https://www.creativebloq.com/news/adobe-copyright-ai)
Apparently Adobe is aware of this.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: synthetick on August 18, 2023, 19:09
People are uploading AI images on Adobe with the names of the artists they copied included in the title...

All those images have already been taken down  :)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Her Ugliness on August 19, 2023, 00:46
That is just wrong. I am surprised Adobe does not have a warning system for famous artists names.

Is this not easy to implement?

Then people would just not mention the artist name in the title - They'd still use it for promting. Same difference.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Mir on August 19, 2023, 03:34
Then people would just not mention the artist name in the title - They'd still use it for promting. Same difference.

Exactly, they will acknowledge that it’s wrong to use those names in titles and tags but won’t acknowledge that is wrong to copy all those artists.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: amabu on August 19, 2023, 04:30
Then people would just not mention the artist name in the title - They'd still use it for promting. Same difference.

Exactly, they will acknowledge that it’s wrong to use those names in titles and tags but won’t acknowledge that is wrong to copy all those artists.

And you think that human illustrators or photographers do not copy other artists?
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Her Ugliness on August 19, 2023, 05:12
Then people would just not mention the artist name in the title - They'd still use it for promting. Same difference.

Exactly, they will acknowledge that it’s wrong to use those names in titles and tags but won’t acknowledge that is wrong to copy all those artists.

And you think that human illustrators or photographers do not copy other artists?

And you think that this somehow makes this morally or legally right? There are plenty of cases where artists have sued other artists for copying their style (Deborah Roberts, Hy Eisman, Art Rogers, Mannie Garcia, Patrick Cario). And yes, there are cases where courts have ruled in favor of the artists the style was stolen from.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Mir on August 19, 2023, 05:20
And you think that human illustrators or photographers do not copy other artists?

I think that by now this has been chewed over a million times and it would be impossible to convince you of anything, maybe if you were one of those artists it would have been different.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on August 19, 2023, 18:45
"A federal judge on Friday upheld a finding from the U.S. Copyright Office that a piece of art created by AI is not open to protection."

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/ai-works-not-copyrightable-studios-1235570316/ (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/ai-works-not-copyrightable-studios-1235570316/)

Howell is the judge in the case.

"The question presented in the suit was whether a work generated solely by a computer falls under the protection of copyright law.

“In the absence of any human involvement in the creation of the work, the clear and straightforward answer is the one given by the Register: No,” Howell wrote.

U.S. copyright law, she underscored, “protects only works of human creation” and is “designed to adapt with the times.” There’s been a consistent understanding that human creativity is “at the core of copyrightability, even as that human creativity is channeled through new tools or into new media,” the ruling stated.

While cameras generated a mechanical reproduction of a scene, she explained that they do so only after a human develops a “mental conception” of the photo, which is a product of decisions like where the subject stands, arrangements and lighting, among other choices.

“Human involvement in, and ultimate creative control over, the work at issue was key to the conclusion that the new type of work fell within the bounds of copyright,” Howell wrote."


https://mashable.com/article/ai-art-copyright-debate (https://mashable.com/article/ai-art-copyright-debate)
https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/19/23838458/ai-generated-art-no-copyright-district-court (https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/19/23838458/ai-generated-art-no-copyright-district-court)

"Nobody really knows how things will shake out around US copyright law and artificial intelligence, but the court cases have been piling up. Sarah Silverman and two other authors filed suit against OpenAI and Meta earlier this year over their models’ data scraping practices, for instance, while another lawsuit by programmer and lawyer Matthew Butterick alleges that data scraping by Microsoft, GitHub, and OpenAI amounted to software piracy."
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cascoly on August 20, 2023, 16:38
"A federal judge on Friday upheld a finding from the U.S. Copyright Office that a piece of art created by AI is not open to protection."

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/ai-works-not-copyrightable-studios-1235570316/ (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/ai-works-not-copyrightable-studios-1235570316/)

Howell is the judge in the case.

"The question presented in the suit was whether a work generated solely by a computer falls under the protection of copyright law.

“In the absence of any human involvement in the creation of the work, the clear and straightforward answer is the one given by the Register: No,” Howell wrote.

U.S. copyright law, she underscored, “protects only works of human creation” and is “designed to adapt with the times.” There’s been a consistent understanding that human creativity is “at the core of copyrightability, even as that human creativity is channeled through new tools or into new media,” the ruling stated.

While cameras generated a mechanical reproduction of a scene, she explained that they do so only after a human develops a “mental conception” of the photo, which is a product of decisions like where the subject stands, arrangements and lighting, among other choices.

“Human involvement in, and ultimate creative control over, the work at issue was key to the conclusion that the new type of work fell within the bounds of copyright,” Howell wrote."


https://mashable.com/article/ai-art-copyright-debate (https://mashable.com/article/ai-art-copyright-debate)
https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/19/23838458/ai-generated-art-no-copyright-district-court (https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/19/23838458/ai-generated-art-no-copyright-district-court)

"Nobody really knows how things will shake out around US copyright law and artificial intelligence, but the court cases have been piling up. Sarah Silverman and two other authors filed suit against OpenAI and Meta earlier this year over their models’ data scraping practices, for instance, while another lawsuit by programmer and lawyer Matthew Butterick alleges that data scraping by Microsoft, GitHub, and OpenAI amounted to software piracy."

further muddies rather than clarifying the problem

first, this is a different case than the general question of whether ai gen copyright is held by its creator.  in this case the plaintiff specifically claimed there was no human involvement In 2018, he listed an AI system, the Creativity Machine, as the sole creator of an artwork called A Recent Entrance to Paradise, which was described as “autonomously created by a computer algorithm running on a machine.”  but then confused the issue further by claiming he owned the copyright since it was a work-for-hire (was the computer paid in megawatts?)

interesting decision, but seems to be yet another decision by someone who doesn't understand the technology

While cameras generated a mechanical reproduction of a scene, she explained that they do so only after a human develops a “mental conception” of the photo, which is a product of decisions like where the subject stands, arrangements and lighting, among other choices.

What if the AI is only the starting point and the artist does substantial work on the image?


so the millions of cell phone pix shouldnt have copyrighted since all the user does is click a button with less decision making than a well-designed prompt?   

the judge then weakened h er case "The judge also explored the purpose of copyright law, which she said is to encourage “human individuals to engage in” creation. Copyrights and patents, she said, were conceived as “forms of property that the government was established to protect, and it was understood that recognizing exclusive rights in that property would further the public good by incentivizing individuals to create and invent.”  since  the use of ai as another tool with input & modification by the artist is a way to 'incentivize...'

more from the article "in March, the copyright office affirmed that most works generated by AI aren’t copyrightable but clarified that AI-assisted materials qualify for protection in certain instances. An application for a work created with the help of AI can support a copyright claim if a human “selected or arranged” it in a “sufficiently creative way that the resulting work constitutes an original work of authorship,”   so this becomes a subjective question of which images can be copyrighted.

finally, the last paragraph is irrelevant to this decision as it concerns the entirely separate, important and serious, question of creating the dataset, not the creation of images from it.

A separate issue will be how they can determine if an image was created by an AI?  already AI illustrations can be difficult to separate from human creation, and the quality will only improve.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cosus on August 21, 2023, 16:47
I don't know if this is interesting to anyone but pixtastock just modified their terms of use and in their blog they describe examples of use for their datasets beyond image generation:

https://www.pixtastock.com/blog/20230821/ (https://www.pixtastock.com/blog/20230821/)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on August 23, 2023, 11:01
https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/22/23841822/google-youtube-ai-copyright-umg-scraping-universal (https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/22/23841822/google-youtube-ai-copyright-umg-scraping-universal)

This article is primarily covering the use of AI generated sound-alikes in YouTube videos, but does talk more broadly about the issues (and lack of transparency) in scraping data for AI training.

It also talks about web traffic, search and what content creators can do to deal with wholesale scraping of their work. Interesting (if depressing) read
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on August 26, 2023, 09:15
I saw a tweet that referred to a badge used (in a kickstarter project for a graphic novel) which I thought was a great idea

(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/042/030/068/667f483519c06023904b222ae425cbf1_original.png?ixlib=rb-4.1.0&w=680&fit=max&v=1692706620&gif-q=50&lossless=true&s=dcdf0f9405bc3cb10f0fff2f690898aa) (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/throwigames/prison-pit-of-the-agelast-king-for-the-shadowdark-rpg)

I did a google search to see where the image came from but couldn't find it; possibly the creation of the person who did the novel?
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on September 02, 2023, 02:24
In a German article about what can artists do to protect themselves from ai, they mentioned „glaze“, a software that slightly changes your images and males them a lottle soft or fuzzy but renders them unusable for ai.

https://glaze.cs.uchicago.edu/ (https://glaze.cs.uchicago.edu/)

This is maybe something agencies could use to prevent the data scraping of our work without proper licensing of data sets.

And that we might use on our own websites.

Will try to learn more about this.

https://www.makeuseof.com/how-to-use-glaze-protect-art-from-ai/ (https://www.makeuseof.com/how-to-use-glaze-protect-art-from-ai/)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Her Ugliness on September 02, 2023, 03:28
In a German article about what can artists do to protect themselves from ai, they mentioned „glaze“, a software that slightly changes your images and males them a lottle soft or fuzzy but renders them unusable for ai.

https://glaze.cs.uchicago.edu/ (https://glaze.cs.uchicago.edu/)

This is maybe something agencies could use to prevent the data scraping of our work without proper licensing of data sets.

And that we might use on our own websites.

Will try to learn more about this.

https://www.makeuseof.com/how-to-use-glaze-protect-art-from-ai/ (https://www.makeuseof.com/how-to-use-glaze-protect-art-from-ai/)

Thanks, that's interesting. Sadly the article fails to explain why they think this will make it "near impossible for AI to copy your style". It looks like it just added slight artefacts to the images in the example in this article. So, why do they think this will in any way keep AI from training on your images? I don't understand it and the article fails to explain this to me.

And I don't think this is in any way suitable for microstock and photos. It's suitable for a personal artist's portfolio maybe, but when you actually want to sell an image, like microstock agencies do, you will want to sell a high quality version and not something with artifacts. Especially on photos this would be noticable. Any agency would reject a photo with such artefacts. And even if agencies used something like this for their previews - as soon as a customer buys your image and uses the version without the artefacts somewhere online it's "free grab" for the AI again.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on September 02, 2023, 05:18
I wasn't planning to use it to treat my stock images.

I think agencies should use this treatment on the preview images. In addition to a watermark. Also for the small preview downloads that are sometimes without watermarks.

It will not help the older images that have already been scraped, but it could help with all new content going forward.

If the ai companies realise simply scraping the agencies then trying to remove the watermarks doesn't give them content usable for ai training...they will be forced to license content properly.

At least that is the idea.

"Glazing" should become a standard treatment for everything you put on the web. In addition to the watermarks.

eta

If this really works, then protecting images from ai abuse will be much easier than protecting written content.

The ai companies needs foremost our content for training because we have correct descriptions.

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Her Ugliness on September 02, 2023, 06:42


If this really works, then protecting images from ai abuse will be much easier than protecting written content.


Yes, but WHY should it work? The article doesn not explain in the slightest how this glazing will prefernt AI from using your images to train on them.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on September 02, 2023, 07:19
You can read more on the page of the team working and developing glaze.

I am not a computer person, I really couldn't explain or understand it.

https://glaze.cs.uchicago.edu/what-is-glaze.html

Also I am sure this is a work in progress, perhaps there are many more universities or companies working on something similar.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on September 10, 2023, 13:09
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/09/microsoft-offers-legal-protection-for-ai-copyright-infringement-challenges/

" 'Specifically, if a third party sues a commercial customer for copyright infringement for using Microsoft’s Copilots or the output they generate, we will defend the customer and pay the amount of any adverse judgments or settlements that result from the lawsuit, as long as the customer used the guardrails and content filters we have built into our products,' writes Microsoft."
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Kenneth_17 on September 11, 2023, 12:24
How much risk does a contributor actually face when uploading generative AI content?

I recently uploaded some AI images (nothing special, more to test if they would be accepted), but not before I had read the terms of the respective AI generators to see if I could use the content for commercial purposes. Furthermore, I adhered to all the guidelines that Adobe Stock imposes on gen-AI content. However, I did use generators that are currently being addressed by Getty Images and are not from one of the "ethical" generators (such as Firefly presents itself, aside from the fact that you can't use it for commercial purposes due to its beta status anyway). So, I tried to "play by the rules" as far as they are currently clear and thus attempted to limit my risks. But how do you view this? Aside from the question of whether you are in favor of or against AI content for stock purposes.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Her Ugliness on September 11, 2023, 15:40
How much risk does a contributor actually face when uploading generative AI content?

I recently uploaded some AI images (nothing special, more to test if they would be accepted), but not before I had read the terms of the respective AI generators to see if I could use the content for commercial purposes. Furthermore, I adhered to all the guidelines that Adobe Stock imposes on gen-AI content. However, I did use generators that are currently being addressed by Getty Images and are not from one of the "ethical" generators (such as Firefly presents itself, aside from the fact that you can't use it for commercial purposes due to its beta status anyway). So, I tried to "play by the rules" as far as they are currently clear and thus attempted to limit my risks. But how do you view this? Aside from the question of whether you are in favor of or against AI content for stock purposes.

I do not think anyone can really answer the question at this point. There are a lot of lawsuits going on against AI generators that stole copyrighted content to train their AI, but as long as no single court judgement has been made (at least I am not aware of one being made yet), we are all just fishing in the dark. You say you try to "play by the rules", but at this point we all do not really know what these "rules" are. It's the very reason why most agencies refuse to even accept AI content at this point - Because the legal framework for it isn't really set yet.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Kenneth_17 on September 12, 2023, 01:40
Thank you for your response. Because I don't feel very comfortable with it, I have removed the AI content from the review phase on Adobe Stock and deleted the already accepted images on Dreamstime. I'd rather wait and see how this discussion develops and, in the meantime, I'll just use the AI generators for personal inspiration for real photos.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on September 16, 2023, 04:18
You can check if a file was created using gen ai tools in this link.

https://verify.contentauthenticity.org/inspect
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Her Ugliness on September 16, 2023, 04:50
You can check if a file was created using gen ai tools in this link.

https://verify.contentauthenticity.org/inspect

All I see in the description is that they use "history and identity data attached to images". If there is nothing attached, they can't check anything. I just tried with both one of my real photos (that actually had Exif and metadata attached!) and then with an AI image. Results for both images: "No results found".

So much about that....


I doubt there will ever be a relyable tool for detecting AI. Open Source had developed a tool to detect AI text. They abandoned the project 1 or 2 months ago, because it only had a sucess rate of like 40%. That's worse than guessing.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on September 16, 2023, 10:32
The Content Authenticity Initiative doesn't try to detect AI images but looks for information embedded by its member companies in works created with their tools.

You don't see Midjourney on the list :)

https://contentauthenticity.org/our-members (https://contentauthenticity.org/our-members)

The beta Verify tool is looking for tags - and in the case of Photoshop created images which use generative fill, they're tagged and the Verify tool finds that tag (https://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/adobe-photoshop-generative-fill-allowed-for-commercial-use-now/msg592526/#msg592526).

What I think this means for stock contributors is that we can't use Photoshop's generative fill if we upload work to many/all agencies. Doing special versions for different agencies makes no sense.

Shutterstock and iStock (Getty) are both members of CAI and both forbid uploading AI work. Getty provided an explicit notice on this late in the week:

"As announced in September 2022, Getty Images does not accept files created using AI generative models. This includes Adobe’s recently announced Creative Cloud tools, which are now available with its Firefly-powered generative AI tools built in."

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on September 20, 2023, 14:30
Dall-e3 will allow artists to opt out

https://openai.com/dall-e-3

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on September 20, 2023, 20:17
DALL-E 3 will apparently include some sort of watermarking/metadata indicating the item was created by genAI. There's a mention of the Content Authenticity Initiative, but no specifics - OpenAI is not a member (https://contentauthenticity.org/our-members).

(paywall)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/09/20/openai-dall-e-image-generator/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/09/20/openai-dall-e-image-generator/)

"The release comes amid challenges for the San Francisco start-up, as competitive pressure builds. Traffic to and monthly users of both DALL-E and OpenAI’s flagship chatbot have slowed, as Google rushes a fleet of AI-driven products to users. But by integrating its novel image generator into ChatGPT, OpenAI is expanding its market and offering the technology as a feature to turbocharge its chatbot, rather than presenting the tool as a stand-alone product.
. . .
"DALL-E 3′s improvements make it more difficult for a layperson to identify real photos...“You’re not going to be able to trust your eyes,” said University of California at Berkeley Professor Hany Farid, who specializes in digital forensics and works with Adobe on its Content Authenticity Initiative. But Farid emphasized that the DALL-E 3′s improvements are not cause for alarm because AI gets better at mimicking the real world every six months or so.
. . .
"As part of a voluntary White House pledge in June, OpenAI agreed to develop and deploy mechanisms to identify when visual or audio content is AI-generated, using methods such as watermarking an image or encoding provenance data to indicate the service or model that created the content. DALL-E 3 is experimenting with a classifier that looks at where an image came from or the content’s “provenance,” said Ramesh, a method mentioned in the White House commitments.

These types of mechanisms help identify deepfakes but also can help artists track whether their work was used without consent or compensation to train models, said Margaret Mitchell, a research scientist at Hugging Face and former co-lead of ethical AI at Google."

https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/20/23881241/openai-dalle-third-version-generative-ai (https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/20/23881241/openai-dalle-third-version-generative-ai)

https://techcrunch.com/2023/09/20/openai-unveils-dall-e-3-allows-artists-to-opt-out-of-training/ (https://techcrunch.com/2023/09/20/openai-unveils-dall-e-3-allows-artists-to-opt-out-of-training/)

"Beyond this, DALL-E 3 has new mechanisms to reduce algorithmic bias and improve safety — or so OpenAI says. For example, DALL-E 3 will reject requests that ask for an image in the style of living artists or portray public figures. And artists can now opt out of having certain — or all of — their artwork used to train future generations of OpenAI text-to-image models. (OpenAI, along with some of its rivals, is facing a lawsuit for allegedly using artists’ copyrighted work to train its generative AI image models.)"

https://www.wired.com/story/dall-e-3-open-ai-chat-gpt/ (https://www.wired.com/story/dall-e-3-open-ai-chat-gpt/)

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/09/openai-announces-dall-e-3-a-next-gen-ai-image-generator-based-on-chatgpt/ (https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/09/openai-announces-dall-e-3-a-next-gen-ai-image-generator-based-on-chatgpt/)

"Right now, US copyright policy says that purely AI-generated artwork cannot receive copyright protection, so technically any image created with DALL-E 3 will fall within the public domain. While OpenAI doesn't acknowledge that explicitly, it does say that "the images you create with DALL-E 3 are yours to use and you don't need our permission to reprint, sell or merchandise them." That's a marked change from last year when OpenAI restricted DALLE-2 image use based on a license that said OpenAI "owns all generations."

"OpenAI has given no word about its tool's potential to bend the historical record with convincing fabrications, although it says it is experimenting with a "provenance classifier" tool that can help identify whether or not an image was generated by DALL-E 3."
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: karmalama on September 20, 2023, 20:28
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Post by: karmalama on September 20, 2023, 20:36
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Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on September 20, 2023, 22:22
Seen this? Is it legit or a trap?

https://haveibeentrained.com/

Didn't LAION threaten to sue some dude that tried to have his images removed from the dataset?

This is real. The court case with Robert Kneschke, the German artist, is still ongoing.

fotorob is his alias here, I am sure he will update us if there is any news.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: karmalama on September 20, 2023, 23:17
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Post by: Her Ugliness on September 21, 2023, 00:15
Dall-e3 will allow artists to opt out

https://openai.com/dall-e-3


I am VERY curious how that feature will work. Do I submit all of my 10.000 images to them manually to have them opted-out? Since DALL-E's training  is based on simply crawling the whole internet for images, I am not sure how I can keep them from using my images, especially as a microstock photographer where my imags can be found all over the internet. Even if I sent them a link to one website and say "don't use these images", there are literally 10.000 websites out there that use my images. So will they then not use my images from one scource, but instead use them from all the others? I am pretty sure DALL-E's attempt to offer an opt-out option is really just there for image polishing and to prevent lawsuits, so I can't imagine they will go out of there way to offer a really effective solution for this.

Also, metadata indicating the item was created by genAI is nice, but there are so easy ways to manipulate metadata, that I am not really sure it will do much good. People honestly disclosing an image or text was AI created are not as much a problem as people claiming AI generated content was human created and the people who want to lie about it, for example to submit AI images to microstock agencies that don't allow it like Shutterstock, are exactly the people who will manipulate it.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: karmalama on September 21, 2023, 00:33
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Post by: cobalt on September 21, 2023, 03:31
The problem is that there will be countries that will legally allow scraping the internet. I think Japan was planning to have extremely lax laws around ai training.

So even if one country is very strict with their laws, they will not be able to prevent the data scraping somewhere else.

And I am sure somebody will come up with secondary data sets - scrape it all in one country, then mash and scramble it all up into math gibberish, then sell that to ai companies…and now…no direct involvement of our images.

Everything that we believe OUR copyright is, will become invalid as long as the ai does not put out images identical to ours or uses our artists name in the prompting.

Of course you can create content that looks like Rutkowsky. Nobody can patent a brush stroke style, color style etc…if  you describe what you want in very much detail, but not use his name…it all becomes very difficult as long as your resulting image is not a copy of one of his works.

You can obviously paint whatever you want with your own brush.

It will be the same with ai.

It is important to follow what other industries do - music, gaming, writing, software.

Because the problem is affecting us all.

At the same time…not having to spend mastering skills and instead just going forward creating content with the help of „magical“ ai is creating a whole new group of talent.

I think especially with software there will completely new levels of production possible.

Also engineering etc…once it becomes more factly accurate.

But we will also see more indie movies created by small actor/writer teams that will create theatre level content without the big Hollywood budget.

And they will be free of Hollywood pressure.

For many creators, working with ai will give them total artistic control.

This is the other side, it can be empwoering.

Including actors that rent out their avatar likeness, like in the Black Mirror episode.

It does not all have to be horrible. There is also a great opportunity for all those that really have ideas.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on September 21, 2023, 11:16
https://petapixel.com/2023/09/21/youtube-will-allow-you-to-generate-ai-imagery-for-video-backgrounds/

youtube will let you generate ai images

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on September 21, 2023, 13:23
British actor Stephen Fry found his voice had been used to narrate a documentary without his knowledge or participation. The article says they used his narration of audio books to get the needed samples:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/20/it-could-have-me-read-porn-stephen-fry-shocked-by-ai-cloning-of-his-voice-in-documentary (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/20/it-could-have-me-read-porn-stephen-fry-shocked-by-ai-cloning-of-his-voice-in-documentary)

I have to imagine there'll be litigation about this, but nothing so far.

https://nypost.com/2023/09/18/harry-potter-narrator-stephen-fry-says-ai-was-used-to-steal-his-voice/ (https://nypost.com/2023/09/18/harry-potter-narrator-stephen-fry-says-ai-was-used-to-steal-his-voice/)
https://variety.com/2023/film/news/stephen-fry-ai-stole-voice-harry-potter-audiobooks-1235727795/ (https://variety.com/2023/film/news/stephen-fry-ai-stole-voice-harry-potter-audiobooks-1235727795/)

This is about the music business and different ways to license sounds that would allow artists to retain the rights to the sound of their own voice

https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/21/23836337/music-generative-ai-voice-likeness-regulation (https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/21/23836337/music-generative-ai-voice-likeness-regulation)

"AI poses a tricky problem for labels and musicians under copyright law: establishing ownership of a song that sounds like an artist’s overall output but does not feature a direct copy of any particular work. "

"It isn’t just AI-powered music platforms looking at licensing artists’ voices; even established record labels believe this is a good start. The Financial Times reported Universal Music is in talks with Google to license artists’ voices and melodies for generative AI projects."
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on September 22, 2023, 07:36
Writers suing chatgpt against ai training abuse of their work.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/20/books/authors-openai-lawsuit-chatgpt-copyright.html?smtyp=cur&smid=fb-nytimes&fbclid=IwAR2PP1UbMl95u-i2GPzTbNyYOdLrOmvkGGIXybv2Xb1jP16D0oIFFVoksXY (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/20/books/authors-openai-lawsuit-chatgpt-copyright.html?smtyp=cur&smid=fb-nytimes&fbclid=IwAR2PP1UbMl95u-i2GPzTbNyYOdLrOmvkGGIXybv2Xb1jP16D0oIFFVoksXY)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on September 23, 2023, 21:15
This is another voice actor situation - Greg Marston did voice work for IBM in 2005, but IBM used that to train an AI voice and then sold it to Revoicer. No compensation for Greg. He understood IBM could use that recording in perpetuity, but not for new uses, essentially competing with him in the here and now for voice work.

https://www.ft.com/content/07d75801-04fd-495c-9a68-310926221554 (https://www.ft.com/content/07d75801-04fd-495c-9a68-310926221554)

“[Marston] is working in the same marketplace, he is still selling his voice for a living, and he is now competing with himself,” said Mathilde Pavis, the artist’s lawyer who specialises in digital cloning technologies. “He had signed a document but there was no agreement for him to be cloned by an unforeseen technology 20 years later.”

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/gregmarston7_has-a-computer-company-cloned-this-mans-activity-7087772812093857793-uEg2/ (https://www.linkedin.com/posts/gregmarston7_has-a-computer-company-cloned-this-mans-activity-7087772812093857793-uEg2/)

(paywall)
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/23/opinion/ai-internet-lawsuit.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/23/opinion/ai-internet-lawsuit.html)

"Tim Friedlander, founder and president of the National Association of Voice Actors, has called for A.I. companies to adopt ethical standards. He says that actors need three Cs: consent, control and compensation.

In fact, all of us need the three Cs. Whether we are professional actors or we just post pictures on social media, everyone should have the right to meaningful consent on whether we want our online lives fed into the giant A.I. machines.

And consent should not mean having to locate a bunch of hard-to-find opt-out buttons to click — which is where the industry is heading.

Compensation is harder to figure out, especially since most of the A.I. bots are primarily free services at the moment. But make no mistake, the A.I. industry is planning to and will make money from these systems, and when it does, there will be a reckoning with those whose works fueled the profits."
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on September 24, 2023, 03:16
This is pretty disgusting.

Ai is being used to create fake nude photos of children. While it has always been possible to do this in photoshop, with ai this abuse goes to a whole new level.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66877718 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66877718)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on September 24, 2023, 09:41
ai image cannot be registered for us copyright

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/24/an-old-master-no-its-an-image-ai-just-knocked-up-and-it-cant-be-copyrighted (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/24/an-old-master-no-its-an-image-ai-just-knocked-up-and-it-cant-be-copyrighted)

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on September 24, 2023, 10:08
As an addendum to the above Guardian article, obviously is US specific. An interesting (brief) summary of US copyright law issues.

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S8-C8-3-1/ALDE_00013063/

"The Supreme Court held that originality, the sine qua non of copyright, requires that the work was independently created by the author and that it possesses at least some minimal degree of creativity"

I think AI creations fail because it wasn't independently created by the author - the creation is dependent upon all the other people's artwork used to train the system. The fact that the prompter had some creativity is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on September 24, 2023, 11:31
I think over time this attitude will evolve.

When cameras first came out it was denied any creative value and photographers were not considered artists.

They just push a button, how can it be art?

Today it is an accepted art form and people take6 year degrees at a university or other long education to reach professional levels.

It will be the same with ai.

The judges should try themselves to create an image like that.

They would quickly understand how much work and how much human thinking goes into this.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on September 24, 2023, 14:09
...When cameras first came out it was denied any creative value and photographers were not considered artists.
...

This isn't about what is and isn't art. It's about copyright - and in particular US copyright law. Two different issues.

This summary (https://copyrightalliance.org/education/industry/photographers/) is pretty helpful in outlining what qualifies a photograph for copyright protection.

This article i (https://www.ppa.com/articles/copyright-law-your-rights-as-a-photographer)s also helpful in covering the creation of derivative works from a copyrighted photograph (a right that the original owner possesses).

" In photography, whenever someone produces a photograph that closely resembles or is "substantially similar" to another copyrighted work, they may be infringing on the original owner's rights.

To determine if copyright laws have been violated, a court of law compares and evaluates the derivative work against the original. Essentially, a photographer who meticulously recreates an original work's composition, lighting, and other creative aspects is more likely to be found guilty of copyright infringement than a photographer who merely captures subjects that already exist in other photos (e.g., monuments, nature). This allows multiple photographers to photograph the same subjects, like the Golden Gate Bridge, without infringing on each other's artistic rights."

This article talks about the fair use defense (https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fair-use/four-factors/) - often trotted out by the companies who scraped data without asking for permission or paying.

"Another important fair use factor is whether your use deprives the copyright owner of income or undermines a new or potential market for the copyrighted work. Depriving a copyright owner of income is very likely to trigger a lawsuit. This is true even if you are not competing directly with the original work."

If you read the section on joint authorship in the first article, IMO that comes closest to what's happening with humans using genAI tools. The humans probably wouldn't like that approach as they'd be sharing their copyright with Midjourney or whoever, not to mention it's not clear that Midjourney came by their contribution legitimately:

"Jointly authored works are works that are prepared by two or more creators with the intent that their contributions be inseparable from one another. In a joint work, each of the authors hold an undivided, equal share to the copyright in the final work. Thus, the default rule is that each author has an equal claim to all the exclusive rights in the joint work—the right to reproduce, distribute, create derivative works, and publicly perform or display—unless they separately agree among themselves that the shares or division of rights or profits should somehow be different."
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cascoly on September 24, 2023, 14:31
....
The judges should try themselves to create an image like that.

They would quickly understand how much work and how much human thinking goes into this.

of course it's futile to hope for rational thinking by many US congressfolk & judges. their level of ignorance concerning science and technology is staggering consider  evolution-, vaccine- & climate-deniers

admittedly it was a long time ago -  there's former Senator Ted Stevens, chair of the Senate committee responsible for regulating the internet:

the Internet is not something that you just dump something on. It's not a big truck. It's a series of tubes. And if you don't understand, those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your message in, it gets in line and it's going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on September 24, 2023, 16:30
The more I use ai tools for image creation, the less "intelligence" I find in it.

In the end it is all human intelligence.

There are the original art creators, going all the way back to the first cave paintings, where a human mind translated the world around them into 2d cartoon like drawings. Then the whole evolutionary process of art, depending on the material and techniques used. Then cameras and the new way to play with light, people, scenes.

It is always humans telling a story.

The ai tools, the software, is written and evolved by humans. Used on machines and computers designed by humans.

The users, the prompters, who often mix prompt works with normal photoshop or other art work...again...humans.

Humans give a thumbs up/down to the pixel mixing machine, to tell it what is good and what isn't in the eye of the human.

So yes, it is a huge collaborative effort, including all the artists that came before us.  And all the software engineers who are creating the interface for the users.

Copyright will evolve to be practical in the modern world.

Probably there has to be a new category for ai.

But all modern marketing and design will use ai tools and they will want to protect their branded results from competitors.

So to be of service to the business world, where copyright is needed to protect brands, the legal framework will evolve to include ai.

Copyright does not exist for itself, it is another human tool invented to organise certain situations in business.

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: gameover on September 25, 2023, 04:20
French lawmakers propose new copyright law about generative AI

https://www.technollama.co.uk/french-lawmakers-propose-new-copyright-law-about-generative-ai (https://www.technollama.co.uk/french-lawmakers-propose-new-copyright-law-about-generative-ai)

interesting highlighting and considerations by the author (of the blog)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on September 25, 2023, 07:17
It has a lot of interesting ideas

"Article 4

This may seem like a throwaway article, but this is the real land-grab by collective societies. This article also adds to the existing Art L121-2 (publication right), and it says:

“Furthermore, in the event that a work of the mind is generated by an artificial intelligence system from works whose origin cannot be determined, a tax intended to enhance the value of creation is introduced for the benefit of the organisation responsible for collective management designated by article L. 131-3 as amended of this code.

“This tax is imposed on the company that operates the artificial intelligence system used to generate the said “artificial work”.

“A Conseil d’Etat decree sets the rate and basis of this tax”.

As you can see from the analysis of Article 2, allocating an author may be either impractical or impossible. So in my view, this is the real intention of the legislation. As it will be not possible to find the author of an AI work (which remember, has copyright and therefore isn’t in the public domain), the law will place a tax on the company that operates the service. So it’s sort of in the public domain, but it’s taxed, and the tax will be paid by OpenAI, Google, Midjourney, StabilityAI, etc. But also by any open source operator and other AI providers (Hugginface, etc). And the tax will be used to fund the collective societies in France… so unless people are willing to join these societies from abroad, they will get nothing, and these bodies will reap the rewards.And remember, the idea behind the tax is predicated on outputs being able to make money, which is not at all guaranteed."

As the article says, this is early stages.

To benefit from the tax collected the artist has to be a member of the countries artists organsitations, which excludes a lot of people.

In our case the agencies who sell licenses and probably the customers will also be taxed in addition to the normal vat.

The whole legal framework around ai will take years to sort out.

But in the end we will hold some form of copyright, and not just midjourney.
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Post by: Stock4Me on September 25, 2023, 07:51
....
The judges should try themselves to create an image like that.

They would quickly understand how much work and how much human thinking goes into this.

of course it's futile to hope for rational thinking by many US congressfolk & judges. their level of ignorance concerning science and technology is staggering consider  evolution-, vaccine- & climate-deniers

admittedly it was a long time ago -  there's former Senator Ted Stevens, chair of the Senate committee responsible for regulating the internet:

the Internet is not something that you just dump something on. It's not a big truck. It's a series of tubes. And if you don't understand, those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your message in, it gets in line and it's going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material.

Sounds like Trump and his stupid double talk. But AI is not human and in order to be protected the work has to be made by a human. Remember the monkey that someone tried to claim had rights to a photo. "copyright law only protects 'the fruits of intellectual labor' that 'are founded in the creative powers of the mind.' " That's the law.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on September 25, 2023, 08:29
Why don't you create specific targeted sellable content with ai and then explain to me again how your mind was never involved doing that?

If you write software that feeds ai with random word salads, does no research into needed content and never considers a customer...well then you would still be the human writing the software to program the ai...

By your definition no photographer could ever hold any copyright...because we are all just pressing a button just like the monkey..
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Her Ugliness on September 25, 2023, 09:06
Why don't you create specific targeted sellable content with ai and then explain to me again how your mind was never involved doing that?


No one said your mind wasn't involved doing it. But you did NOT CREATE it. All you did was describe it.
I've described and let AI create enough sellable content (from comparing our numbers better than you) to be able to judge my human involvement in AI content creation and it's hardly there.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on September 25, 2023, 10:09
How do you create with pushing a button on a camera?

That is less creative than writing a sentence.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on September 25, 2023, 10:13
getty announces their ai generator

https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/25/23884679/getty-ai-generative-image-platform-launch (https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/25/23884679/getty-ai-generative-image-platform-launch)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on September 25, 2023, 10:45
getty announces their ai generator

https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/25/23884679/getty-ai-generative-image-platform-launch (https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/25/23884679/getty-ai-generative-image-platform-launch)

Interesting. The company said any photos created with the tool will not be included in the Getty Images and iStock content libraries. Getty will pay creators if it uses their AI-generated image to train the current and future versions of the model. It will share revenues generated from the tool, “allocating both a pro rata share in respect of every file and a share based on traditional licensing revenue.”
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Her Ugliness on September 25, 2023, 10:55
How do you create with pushing a button on a camera?

I do not know about you, maybe you are only doing snapshost, but my microstock photos are more than just "pushing a button".
It can easily take me an hour just setting up backdrops and lighing equipment and arrange photo props for one photo. Then taking the actual photos and editing them can easily take me up to 30 minutes per photo as well.
Now I can get the same result in 5 seconds with Midjourney....


And I already told the story once about how everyone constantly wants me to take photos of ther wedding, their child, their pet, their anniversary and when I offer to just give them my camera, then suddenly it seems to be more than "pushing a button" after all and they tell me they just can't make the photos look and I have to do it. So my "pushing abutton" seems to be different then their "pushing a button" after all?  I am so sick of my skill and effort in taking photos being downtalked whenever it suits someone, but when I tell people to just do it themselves it suddenly becomes an unieque skill only I seem to possess?
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Injustice for all on September 25, 2023, 16:27
How do you create with pushing a button on a camera?

I do not know about you, maybe you are only doing snapshost, but my microstock photos are more than just "pushing a button".
It can easily take me an hour just setting up backdrops and lighing equipment and arrange photo props for one photo. Then taking the actual photos and editing them can easily take me up to 30 minutes per photo as well.
Now I can get the same result in 5 seconds with Midjourney....


And I already told the story once about how everyone constantly wants me to take photos of ther wedding, their child, their pet, their anniversary and when I offer to just give them my camera, then suddenly it seems to be more than "pushing a button" after all and they tell me they just can't make the photos look and I have to do it. So my "pushing abutton" seems to be different then their "pushing a button" after all?  I am so sick of my skill and effort in taking photos being downtalked whenever it suits someone, but when I tell people to just do it themselves it suddenly becomes an unieque skill only I seem to possess?

keep doing what you do because it can never be like an AI generated image,I've never seen any of your content,but I'm sure you create exceptional work,and I'm sure you're much better than me at this,don't ask me how I know,but I'm 100% sure of this.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on September 25, 2023, 18:26
How do you create with pushing a button on a camera?

I do not know about you, maybe you are only doing snapshost, but my microstock photos are more than just "pushing a button".
It can easily take me an hour just setting up backdrops and lighing equipment and arrange photo props for one photo. Then taking the actual photos and editing them can easily take me up to 30 minutes per photo as well.
Now I can get the same result in 5 seconds with Midjourney....


And I already told the story once about how everyone constantly wants me to take photos of ther wedding, their child, their pet, their anniversary and when I offer to just give them my camera, then suddenly it seems to be more than "pushing a button" after all and they tell me they just can't make the photos look and I have to do it. So my "pushing abutton" seems to be different then their "pushing a button" after all?  I am so sick of my skill and effort in taking photos being downtalked whenever it suits someone, but when I tell people to just do it themselves it suddenly becomes an unieque skill only I seem to possess?

Nah, that is all much too complicated for my little brain.

I just direct my camera at the world and happily and randomly press that button and upload what the camera sees all by itself to make all the money I make.

And of course if I use a more expensive camera, like my Leica M with Noctilux lens, then I get much better pictures and then I can feel like a "real" artist.

So working with ai is more mind intense for me because I have to think very hard how to organize my words and cannot get results by just entering a random word salad.

Still surprised why I get more sales for my random snapshot photos than for my ai, but it must be that the camera button has more artistic skills than my prompts.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on September 26, 2023, 03:22
Dall-e3 will have encrpyted watermarks

https://www.reddit.com/r/dalle2/comments/16sgvt3/fyi_content_credentials_in_dalle_3_images/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/dalle2/comments/16sgvt3/fyi_content_credentials_in_dalle_3_images/)

FYI. Content credentials in dall-e 3 images. Potential explanation for the disappearance of visible water mark
DALL·E 3
I asked Bing chat about these things and this is what I got:
DALLE 3 content credentials are a new feature that Bing is introducing to ensure the authenticity and originality of the AI-generated images in Bing. Content credentials use cryptographic methods to add an invisible digital watermark to all AI-generated images in Bing, including the time and date of original creation. This way, users can verify the source and provenance of the images they see or create on Bing. Content credentials will also be supported by Paint and Microsoft Designer, two other applications that use DALLE 3 for image generation.
To decrypt and view the credentials for verifying authenticity, you need to use a third-party program that can access the encrypted credential files and display their content. One such program is CredentialsFileView from Nirsoft, which you can download for free from this link¹.
To use CredentialsFileView, you need to enter your Windows login password, which is required to decrypt the credential files. Then, the program will automatically detect and list all the credential files on your computer. You can click on each file to see its decrypted content in the lower pane of the program. The content will show the time and date of original creation, as well as the cryptographic signature that proves the authenticity of the image.
Another way to view the credentials for verifying authenticity is to use Paint or Microsoft Designer, which are applications that support content credentials. You can open any AI-generated image in these applications and click on the Content Credentials button in the toolbar. This will show you a dialog box with the same information as CredentialsFileView, such as the time and date of original creation and the cryptographic signature. You can also copy or save this information for future reference.
Source: Conversation with Bing, 9/26/2023 (1) CredentialsFileView: access decrypted Credentials files - Windows Report. https://windowsreport.com/credentialsfileview-windows/. (https://windowsreport.com/credentialsfileview-windows/.) (2) encryption - How can I read the contents of a crd file as plain text (i .... https://superuser.com/questions/1574865/how-can-i-read-the-contents-of-a-crd-file-as-plain-text-i-e-recover-my-passwo. (https://superuser.com/questions/1574865/how-can-i-read-the-contents-of-a-crd-file-as-plain-text-i-e-recover-my-passwo.) (3) How to View Your Passwords in Credential Manager on Windows - wikiHow. https://www.wikihow.com/View-Your-Passwords-in-Credential-Manager-on-Windows. (https://www.wikihow.com/View-Your-Passwords-in-Credential-Manager-on-Windows.) (4) 3 Ways to Decrypt Files and Folders on Windows 10 - MUO. https://www.makeuseof.com/windows-10-ways-to-decrypt-files/. (https://www.makeuseof.com/windows-10-ways-to-decrypt-files/.)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on September 26, 2023, 07:47
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/26/techscape-ai-images-elections-integrity-tiananmen-square (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/26/techscape-ai-images-elections-integrity-tiananmen-square)

"A strange thing happened last week when you searched for “tank man” on Google.

Tap on image results and instead of the usual photos of Tiananmen Square in Beijing, and the iconic image of a brave protester staring down a convoy of tanks that was captured in 1989, the first result was the same historic moment – but from a different point of view.

For a time last week, the first result on Google Images for “tank man” was instead an AI-generated image of the same protester, taking a selfie in front of the tank. The image was created by Midjourney, and was at least six months old. First reported by 404 Media, a new tech journalism startup set up by former Vice News staff, the emergence of the tank man selfie – which Google subsequently removed from search results for “tank man” – highlighted one of the main fears that Eddie Perez, Twitter’s former head of election integrity, highlighted to me in a recent podcast interview: it’s now possible, with the use of AI imagery, to create alternative history. "
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on October 02, 2023, 10:43
https://techcrunch.com/2023/09/30/how-much-can-artists-make-from-generative-ai-vendors-wont-say/

"So vendors including Adobe, Getty Images, Stability AI and YouTube have introduced — or promised to introduce — ways creators can share in their generative AI profits. The trouble is, the companies haven’t been clear about how much, exactly, creators can expect to earn. And for creators considering allowing a vendor to train a model on their works, it doesn’t make the decision easy."

"Tough luck, creators
Tellingly, none of the generative AI vendors we spoke with would give a dollar amount the average creator can expect to see after forking over their creations for model training.

Some vendors blamed the absence of data on the newness of the tech and business model. Others said that the range would vary too widely to give a useful figure.

But for creators — particularly those dependent on contract income to make ends meet — those are arguments that are likely to ring hollow.

... At best, they’re offering hazy promises of future riches — and hazy promises don’t pay the rent."
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on October 12, 2023, 10:12
It's not really news that agencies are accepting content that violates their published rules, but given the recent WAG strike and ongoing SAG-AFTRA strike where AI use by companies is a key issue, I can see how this became a subject of discussion.

https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/9/23909529/disney-marvel-loki-generative-ai-poster-backlash-season-2 (https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/9/23909529/disney-marvel-loki-generative-ai-poster-backlash-season-2)

Some interesting points of view in the comments. For example how designers under pressure to keep their jobs feel

"It's an integrated tool in Photoshop at this point as well. If you're not using all the tools available to you, you're simply going to be seen as slow to employers. This pixel-measuring is just as ridiculous as when people tried to determine if filters were used in the 2000s. Having consumers breathing down creatives backs for the tools they pick is just an unnecessary pressure in an otherwise high-tension position to begin with."

"As a senior graphic designer who often does highly visible work for a myriad of household names, I can only shrug. Generative AI tools are an entrenched part of my workflow now, albeit at conceptual stage rather than finished artwork, or client internal communications use otherwise – and the line has become blurred even further with the release of Photoshop's Generative Fill tools. The expected pace of design turnaround is faster than ever and I need to stay ahead of the hack account managers armed with Canva and MidJourney taking evening design courses, or its my job on the line."

"I mean, as a designer I understand very well that I have to keep up at this point. Pandora's box is open. It's out there. It won't go away. I'm also using it. But I do see the injustice in how big tech companies profit off of the labor of millions of artists and then selling the computer made remix back to me as a service. I feel if there's still a window where open outrage can sway some policies to better integrate artists and designers into the value chain it is probably now. If not now - it will be never."

Slightly different angle on the same topic - about how key Adobe's finance head is in making AI product decisions...

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/adobe-cfo-helping-steer-company-110806766.html (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/adobe-cfo-helping-steer-company-110806766.html)

My experience is that the understanding finance people have of the guts of the business behind the numbers is very shallow
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on October 13, 2023, 15:21
Google now has its text to image generation, along with other AI tools in the "Search Generative Experience" - SGE

https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-finally-adds-ai-text-to-image-generation-but-its-not-where-you-think/ (https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-finally-adds-ai-text-to-image-generation-but-its-not-where-you-think/)

"On Thursday, Google unveiled two new features for search: Text-to-image generation and a written drafts feature in its AI-powered Search Experience (SGE)."

https://www.techtarget.com/searchenterpriseai/news/366555473/Google-Search-Generative-Experience-AI-updated-for-images (https://www.techtarget.com/searchenterpriseai/news/366555473/Google-Search-Generative-Experience-AI-updated-for-images)
https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/12/23913337/google-ai-powered-search-sge-images-written-drafts (https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/12/23913337/google-ai-powered-search-sge-images-written-drafts)
https://techcrunch.com/2023/10/12/googles-ai-powered-search-experience-can-now-generate-images-write-drafts/ (https://techcrunch.com/2023/10/12/googles-ai-powered-search-experience-can-now-generate-images-write-drafts/)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on October 21, 2023, 08:34
Washington Post article (paywall) about major newspapers looking for payment for use of their content for AI tools/training

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/10/20/artificial-intelligence-battle-online-data/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/10/20/artificial-intelligence-battle-online-data/)

There is a mention of the estimates of Shutterstock's payout to contributors for data training on the collection:

"For example, the stock photo site Shutterstock has a partnership to provide training data for OpenAI. Late last year, the company also launched a Contributor Fund to compensate artists whose work has been used to train AI models. An analysis by stock photographer Robert Kneschke estimated that the fund paid out more than $4 million in May — but the median payout was just $0.0069 per image. Shutterstock did not respond to request for comment."

The above contains a link to this PetaPixel story:
https://petapixel.com/2023/07/12/shutterstock-may-have-paid-out-over-4-million-from-its-ai-contributor-fund/ (https://petapixel.com/2023/07/12/shutterstock-may-have-paid-out-over-4-million-from-its-ai-contributor-fund/)

Some other interesting quotes (emphasis mine):

"Until recently, tech companies have been loath to pay for that data. At a listening session on generative AI hosted in April by the U.S. Copyright Office, Sy Damle, a lawyer representing the Silicon Valley venture capital firm Andreessen Horowitz, acknowledged that “the only practical way for these tools to exist is if they can be trained on massive amounts of data without having to license that data.” "

I'd suggest that it is not impractical, just more expensive. What theory of business mandates that your raw materials have to be free?

OpenAI continues to push the notion that their original scraping of data they didn't own or license was fair use:

"An OpenAI spokesperson confirmed that the company is in talks with the newspapers and that discussions were not focused on prior training data, which it argues was obtained legally. “None of the company’s practices have violated copyright law,” the spokesperson said. “Any deal would be for future access to content that is otherwise inaccessible or display uses that go beyond fair use.” "

"Nearly $16 billion in venture capital poured into generative AI in the first three quarters of 2023, according to the analytics firm PitchBook — a flood of cash that in part reflects how expensive the technology is to build. Every component is prohibitively pricey or hard to acquire, from hardware to computing power. Until now, the only free and easy part had been the data. "
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: synthetick on October 24, 2023, 01:33
Nightshade is a tool that performs a data poisoning attack against generative AI image models:
https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/10/23/1082189/data-poisoning-artists-fight-generative-ai/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=site_visitor.unpaid.engagement&utm_medium=tr_social (https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/10/23/1082189/data-poisoning-artists-fight-generative-ai/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=site_visitor.unpaid.engagement&utm_medium=tr_social)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on October 24, 2023, 07:20
Nightshade is a tool that performs a data poisoning attack against generative AI image models:
https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/10/23/1082189/data-poisoning-artists-fight-generative-ai/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=site_visitor.unpaid.engagement&utm_medium=tr_social (https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/10/23/1082189/data-poisoning-artists-fight-generative-ai/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=site_visitor.unpaid.engagement&utm_medium=tr_social)

Very interesting read - from the people who worked on Glaze (https://glaze.cs.uchicago.edu/).

It's intriguing to think about how this tool could be deployed (when available) if contributors trusted stock agencies to be a representative of contributor interests.

Contributors would upload images as they do now. Agencies would generate thumbnails and preview images that had been "poisoned" by Nightshade. The contributor supply agreement would explicitly state that agencies can only train AI on the original images with compensation to the contributor.

By default, all licensed images for buyers would be unwatermarked but poisoned, allowing. use anywhere on the web, mobile apps, etc.

Licenses would permit a new type of extended license for large print uses (not any online use) where a buyer could license the unpoisoned JPEG in case reproduction at huge sizes or with certain printing techniques was compromised by the Nightshade alterations.

Except for that big "if"...

As it is, I'd expect agencies to state that they don't accept Nightshade-altered content and continue as before

https://venturebeat.com/ai/meet-nightshade-the-new-tool-allowing-artists-to-poison-ai-models-with-corrupted-training-data/ (https://venturebeat.com/ai/meet-nightshade-the-new-tool-allowing-artists-to-poison-ai-models-with-corrupted-training-data/)
https://gizmodo.com/nightshade-poisons-ai-art-generators-dall-e-1850951218 (https://gizmodo.com/nightshade-poisons-ai-art-generators-dall-e-1850951218)

Edited to add Ars Technica article on Nightshade

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/10/university-of-chicago-researchers-seek-to-poison-ai-art-generators-with-nightshade/ (https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/10/university-of-chicago-researchers-seek-to-poison-ai-art-generators-with-nightshade/)

"The development of technologies like Nightshade could ignite an arms race between researchers intent to protect human creative works from AI absorption and those who seek to feed their data-hungry models. Larger companies with more resources may be able to eventually work around Nightshade with countermeasures, but smaller firms and open source projects with lower budgets might be disproportionately affected."
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on October 24, 2023, 14:07
Nightshade is interesting. Also reminder that AI can't be trained with AI or the process is poisoned or at the least, unreliable and diluted.

.0069 an image? I'd like to see how they arrived at that estimated number.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: gameover on October 24, 2023, 14:47
Nightshade is a tool that performs a data poisoning attack against generative AI image models:
https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/10/23/1082189/data-poisoning-artists-fight-generative-ai/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=site_visitor.unpaid.engagement&utm_medium=tr_social (https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/10/23/1082189/data-poisoning-artists-fight-generative-ai/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=site_visitor.unpaid.engagement&utm_medium=tr_social)
Splendid! the best response instead of whining ...
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on October 29, 2023, 15:06
https://petapixel.com/2023/10/29/ai-and-me-how-image-generation-is-changing-my-role-as-a-photographer/

One photographer's perspective on use of genAI images, including composites where the "set" is genAI and the studio is used to shoot the model who will be photoshopped into the set.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on October 30, 2023, 11:43
https://petapixel.com/2023/10/29/ai-and-me-how-image-generation-is-changing-my-role-as-a-photographer/

One photographer's perspective on use of genAI images, including composites where the "set" is genAI and the studio is used to shoot the model who will be photoshopped into the set.

Interesting use, nice colors and designs.

There are also some Escher stools in the bar photo, three legs, and even with an allowance for "art" some of the one leg versions look physically unstable. I think the one the girl is sitting on might be impossible to balance like that, or at least, very uncomfortable.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on November 02, 2023, 11:08
"A California federal judge on Monday dismissed all but one claim from a proposed class action by artists accusing companies behind artificial intelligence art software Stable Diffusion of using their works to train the program, saying the complaint "is defective in numerous respects" yet giving the plaintiffs a chance to amend their suit. "

https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/judge-pares-down-artists-ai-copyright-lawsuit-against-midjourney-stability-ai-2023-10-30/ (https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/judge-pares-down-artists-ai-copyright-lawsuit-against-midjourney-stability-ai-2023-10-30/)

Summary:
    Judge dismisses claims over AI output, publicity rights
    Key claim over use of artists' images in Stability AI training continues

Ruling:  https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/legaldocs/byprrngynpe/AI%20COPYRIGHT%20LAWSUIT%20mtdruling.pdf (https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/legaldocs/byprrngynpe/AI%20COPYRIGHT%20LAWSUIT%20mtdruling.pdf)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on November 03, 2023, 08:49
You can still use Adobe firefly for free for a while.

But if you click on your account you can see your current credit allowance and usage.

https://discord.com/channels/1076190214369853510/1087560280982175784

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on November 03, 2023, 10:42
You can still use Adobe firefly for free for a while.

But if you click on your account you can see your current credit allowance and usage.

https://discord.com/channels/1076190214369853510/1087560280982175784

No Text Channels error, unless I'm missing something?
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on November 03, 2023, 15:01
Artists may “poison” AI models before Copyright Office can issue guidance

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/11/artists-may-poison-ai-models-before-copyright-office-can-issue-guidance/

(emphasis mine)
" ...the Federal Trade Commission may have the power to intervene. Andrew Burt, a founder of an AI-focused law firm called BNH.ai, told TechCrunch that the FTC is "already pursuing" what the FTC calls “algorithmic disgorgement”—which is where the FTC "forces tech firms to kill problematic algorithms along with any ill-gotten data that they used to train them." It seems possible then that, should artists suing AI makers win or should the Copyright Office provide such a recommendation, enforcers could one day order AI image makers to retrain models using only permitted, licensed data."

I'm not holding my breath, but it's an interesting idea

Separately from copyright law issues (which are a real tangle in an international arena), my thinking about training is that without creators' images generative AI image could not exist. They are wholly dependent on having stuff to ingest and it's stuff they didn't create or pay for. Some reasonable accommodation needs to be worked out (reasonable for both sides, not just whatever the large tech think they have the economic heft to grab).
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on November 05, 2023, 15:24
"The biggest companies in AI aren’t interested in paying to use copyrighted material as training data, and here are their reasons why."

https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/4/23946353/generative-ai-copyright-training-data-openai-microsoft-google-meta-stabilityai (https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/4/23946353/generative-ai-copyright-training-data-openai-microsoft-google-meta-stabilityai)

"Meta: Copyright holders wouldn’t get much money anyway...
Google: AI training is just like reading a book...
Microsoft: Changing copyright law could hurt small AI developers...
Anthropic: Current law is fine; don’t change it...
Adobe: It’s fair use, like when Accolade copied Sega’s code...
Anthropic: Copying is just an intermediate step ...
Andreessen Horowitz: Investors have spent ‘billions and billions’...
Hugging Face: Training on copyrighted material is fair use...
StabilityAI: Other countries call AI model training fair use...
Apple: Let us copyright our AI-made code"

Let me paraphrase: Because I have to spend huge sums on developing the code and any one of you wouldn't make much anyway, I get to take your stuff for free to train what I'm building. The last part from Apple would add: and all the profits from anything I make is mine to keep.

This is such self-serving B-S-
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on November 05, 2023, 15:28
https://petapixel.com/2023/11/05/genai-and-the-forced-evolution-of-photography-from-artifice-to-authenticity/ (https://petapixel.com/2023/11/05/genai-and-the-forced-evolution-of-photography-from-artifice-to-authenticity/)

I like the notion that "Photography is more than just an image—it’s our connection to the real world, to one another, and to moments that inform our decisions."

His twitter feed references this article

https://futurism.com/adobe-caught-selling-ai-generated-images-israel-palestine-violence (https://futurism.com/adobe-caught-selling-ai-generated-images-israel-palestine-violence)

I think the pseudo-editorial images have to be removed - like the 9/11 images that were allowed in and then removed a few months back.

The Futurism article doesn't mention Freepik, but their collection of over 30 million genAI images includes over 40k for a search for "gaza"

https://www.freepik.com/search?format=search&last_filter=query&last_value=gaza&query=gaza&type=ai (https://www.freepik.com/search?format=search&last_filter=query&last_value=gaza&query=gaza&type=ai)

And even Shutterstock's sad collection of DALL-E creations includes a couple (along with their standard note "Important information - This content was generated by an Artificial Intelligence (AI) system. Shutterstock does not review AI-generated content for compliance with Shutterstock’s content compliance standards. AI-generated"):

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-generated/gaza-city-palestine-2-children-playing-2384676855 (https://www.shutterstock.com/image-generated/gaza-city-palestine-2-children-playing-2384676855)
https://www.shutterstock.com/image-generated/outdoor-photo-gaza-city-palestine-2-2384676351 (https://www.shutterstock.com/image-generated/outdoor-photo-gaza-city-palestine-2-2384676351)

Edited Nov 8 to add links to stories about the use of the fake Gaza images

https://www.crikey.com.au/2023/11/01/israel-gaza-adobe-artificial-intelligence-images-fake-news/ (https://www.crikey.com.au/2023/11/01/israel-gaza-adobe-artificial-intelligence-images-fake-news/)
https://venturebeat.com/ai/adobe-responds-to-controversy-over-ai-generated-images-of-gaza-explosion/ (https://venturebeat.com/ai/adobe-responds-to-controversy-over-ai-generated-images-of-gaza-explosion/)
https://www.vice.com/en/article/3akj3k/adobe-is-selling-fake-ai-generated-images-of-violence-in-gaza-and-israel (https://www.vice.com/en/article/3akj3k/adobe-is-selling-fake-ai-generated-images-of-violence-in-gaza-and-israel)
https://petapixel.com/2023/11/07/adobe-stock-is-selling-ai-generated-images-of-the-israel-hamas-conflict/ (https://petapixel.com/2023/11/07/adobe-stock-is-selling-ai-generated-images-of-the-israel-hamas-conflict/)

IMO the Adobe statement that they are working on the adoption of Content Credentials is an irrelevant distraction - I don't believe downloadable images had content credentials added, so how can any viewer of the pseudo-editorial stock image have any idea if it's authentic or not?

“Adobe Stock is a marketplace that requires all generative AI content to be labeled as such when submitted for licensing. These specific images were labeled as generative AI when they were both submitted and made available for license in line with these requirements. We believe it’s important for customers to know what Adobe Stock images were created using generative AI tools.

Adobe is committed to fighting misinformation, and via the Content Authenticity Initiative, we are working with publishers, camera manufacturers and other stakeholders to advance the adoption of Content Credentials, including in our own products. Content Credentials allows people to see vital context about how a piece of digital content was captured, created or edited including whether AI tools were used in the creation or editing of the digital content.”


Seems like a no-brainer (to me) for Adobe Stock to add content credentials to all genAI images they host. They already strip and alter metadata in what we upload, so it wouldn't be groundbreaking in any way. But I also cannot see anything good coming out of accepting pseudo-editorial images of an ongoing war.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: ole999 on November 06, 2023, 09:54
https://petapixel.com/2023/11/05/genai-and-the-forced-evolution-of-photography-from-artifice-to-authenticity/ (https://petapixel.com/2023/11/05/genai-and-the-forced-evolution-of-photography-from-artifice-to-authenticity/)

I like the notion that "Photography is more than just an image—it’s our connection to the real world, to one another, and to moments that inform our decisions."

His twitter feed references this article

https://futurism.com/adobe-caught-selling-ai-generated-images-israel-palestine-violence (https://futurism.com/adobe-caught-selling-ai-generated-images-israel-palestine-violence)

I think the pseudo-editorial images have to be removed - like the 9/11 images that were allowed in and then removed a few months back.

The Futurism article doesn't mention Freepik, but their collection of over 30 million genAI images includes over 40k for a search for "gaza"

https://www.freepik.com/search?format=search&last_filter=query&last_value=gaza&query=gaza&type=ai (https://www.freepik.com/search?format=search&last_filter=query&last_value=gaza&query=gaza&type=ai)

And even Shutterstock's sad collection of DALL-E creations includes a couple (along with their standard note "Important information - This content was generated by an Artificial Intelligence (AI) system. Shutterstock does not review AI-generated content for compliance with Shutterstock’s content compliance standards. AI-generated"):

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-generated/gaza-city-palestine-2-children-playing-2384676855 (https://www.shutterstock.com/image-generated/gaza-city-palestine-2-children-playing-2384676855)
https://www.shutterstock.com/image-generated/outdoor-photo-gaza-city-palestine-2-2384676351 (https://www.shutterstock.com/image-generated/outdoor-photo-gaza-city-palestine-2-2384676351)

Yes - a lot of AI images are coming out from Gaza to the social media.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on November 17, 2023, 12:11
New:  file:///C:/Users/User%201/Downloads/COLC-2023-0006-9075_attachment_1.pdf  Intel answers the US Copyright office. It's long and a PDF.

19. Are any revisions to the Copyright Act necessary to clarify the human authorship
requirement or to provide additional standards to determine when content including AI-
generated material is subject to copyright protection?

In U.S. copyright law, it is sufficiently established that human authorship is required to receive
copyright protection. Federal courts have also declined to extend copyright protection to non-
human authors.12 No revisions to the Copyright Act are needed to clarify this requirement.
For instances whereby humans create content using AI-generated material, case law and
copyright registration guidance have outlined that the nature of human involvement in the
creation of the work will be a factor to determine copyright protection.13 This is a case-by-
case exercise. Current copyright registration guidance notes that a work containing AI-
generated material can contain sufficient human authorship to support a copyright claim.14 For
example, a human may select or arrange AI-generated material in a sufficiently creative way
that ‘‘the resulting work as a whole constitutes an original work of authorship.’’15 While this
guidance currently holds, as the litigation landscape for generative AI evolves, it may be
necessary for additional standards to clarify authorship for AI-generated material.


Also in the news:
"U.S. Copyright Office general counsel Suzanne Wilson told attendees at a Los Angeles conference on the intersection of technology and entertainment Wednesday that generative artificial intelligence went from something "no one" is talking about to something everyone is, which is why her office expects to issue a major AI report soon."

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Annie2022 on November 19, 2023, 15:02
The fear and tension that led to Sam Altman’s ouster at OpenAI Ilya Sutskever, a respected AI researcher who co-founded OpenAI with Altman and nine other people, was increasingly worried that OpenAI’s technology could be dangerous and that Altman was not paying enough attention to that risk.

Read more at: https://www.deccanherald.com/business/companies/the-fear-and-tension-that-led-to-sam-altmans-ouster-at-openai-2776793 (https://www.deccanherald.com/business/companies/the-fear-and-tension-that-led-to-sam-altmans-ouster-at-openai-2776793)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: wordplanet on November 20, 2023, 20:55
More disruption at OpenAI - NYTimes just now I think the paywall is only for artiles older than two weeks but not sure since I've had a subscription for decades:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/20/business/openai-staff-exodus-turmoil.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/20/business/openai-staff-exodus-turmoil.html)

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Evaristo tenscadisto on December 06, 2023, 12:40
Supposedly it was today but AI ACT agreement in Europe is not reached yet.
This week France, Italy and Germany came with the idea of Self-regulation. In some cases self regulation can be interpreted as no regulation at all.

"If an agreement is not reached this week, this will represent a big missed opportunity for Europe and one of the biggest scandals involving the influence of interest groups — mainly foreign — in the internal affairs of the EU."

Euronews "The fight for the AI Act is a clear case of defending the public good"
link : https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/12/06/the-fight-for-the-ai-act-is-a-clear-case-of-defending-the-public-good (https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/12/06/the-fight-for-the-ai-act-is-a-clear-case-of-defending-the-public-good)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Her Ugliness on December 07, 2023, 01:48
Supposedly it was today but AI ACT agreement in Europe is not reached yet.
This week France, Italy and Germany came with the idea of Self-regulation. In some cases self regulation can be interpreted as no regulation at all.

Oh yes, German politicans just love "self-regulation".  ::)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Evaristo tenscadisto on December 08, 2023, 19:38
Fresh news! AI Act in EU!!

According to Euronews "Member states and the European Parliament have reached a preliminary deal on the Artificial Intelligence Act, the world's first attempt to regulate the fast-evolving technology in a comprehensive, ethics-based manner. "

"Historic! The EU becomes the very first continent to set clear rules for the use of AI," said Thierry Breton, the European Commissioner for the internal market who took part in the debate. "The AI Act is much more than a rulebook – it's a launchpad for EU startups and researchers to lead the global AI race."

Link to euronews: https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2023/12/08/eu-countries-and-meps-strike-deal-on-artificial-intelligence-act-after-drawn-out-intense-t (https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2023/12/08/eu-countries-and-meps-strike-deal-on-artificial-intelligence-act-after-drawn-out-intense-t)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: gameover on December 09, 2023, 11:22
Chinese court declares that AI-generated image has copyright
https://www.technollama.co.uk/chinese-court-declares-that-ai-generated-image-has-copyright (https://www.technollama.co.uk/chinese-court-declares-that-ai-generated-image-has-copyright)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on December 09, 2023, 13:02
Chinese court declares that AI-generated image has copyright
https://www.technollama.co.uk/chinese-court-declares-that-ai-generated-image-has-copyright (https://www.technollama.co.uk/chinese-court-declares-that-ai-generated-image-has-copyright)

LOL this will change nothing in the countries that have a different opinion. Going to be interesting. But nice to know we are protected in China, the place that violates copyrights, trademarks and patents, from all over the world.

Yes, OK someone had to tune and enter the prompts to refine the image. I suppose that's the argument in favor?
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Her Ugliness on December 11, 2023, 05:39
This isn't exactly news, but I thought it was still worth sharing, because this is just so bizzare:

I just stumbled upon this movies webpage and they use AI generated images instead of photos of actors.  :o motionpicturemagazine.com

(https://i.postimg.cc/MZbCPj07/Untitled-1.jpg)

Some of the actors are hardly recognizable.

And I also found a website for Asian cooking recipes that also uses AI generated images.
asian-foodie.de

(https://i.postimg.cc/bwzQhr5f/Untitled-1b.jpg)

And some of the results are, well, let's say questionable.
Okonomiyaki. The real thing on the left and the AI version on the right. I'd be scared if my Okonomiyaki looked like this.

(https://i.postimg.cc/kGq5b6Kn/Untitled-1a.jpg)


Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: helloitsaaron on December 13, 2023, 15:55
Good collection, thanks!
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on December 27, 2023, 15:36
from uncle pete

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/ny-times-sues-openai-microsoft-for-infringing-copyrighted-works/ar-AA1m75sX?ocid=00000000&pc=U528&cvid=36cdc2530ee347549955a4670eb08328&ei=17 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/ny-times-sues-openai-microsoft-for-infringing-copyrighted-works/ar-AA1m75sX?ocid=00000000&pc=U528&cvid=36cdc2530ee347549955a4670eb08328&ei=17)

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The New York Times sued OpenAI and Microsoft on Wednesday, accusing them of using millions of the newspaper's articles without permission to help train chatbots to provide information to readers.

The newspaper's complaint, filed in Manhattan federal court, accused OpenAI and Microsoft of trying to "free-ride on The Times's massive investment in its journalism" by using it to provide alternative means to deliver information to readers.

"There is nothing 'transformative' about using The Times's content without payment to create products that substitute for The Times and steal audiences away from it," the Times said.

The case is New York Times Co v Microsoft Corp et al, U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York, No. 23-11195.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on December 28, 2023, 11:41
from uncle pete

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/ny-times-sues-openai-microsoft-for-infringing-copyrighted-works/ar-AA1m75sX?ocid=00000000&pc=U528&cvid=36cdc2530ee347549955a4670eb08328&ei=17 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/ny-times-sues-openai-microsoft-for-infringing-copyrighted-works/ar-AA1m75sX?ocid=00000000&pc=U528&cvid=36cdc2530ee347549955a4670eb08328&ei=17)

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The New York Times sued OpenAI and Microsoft on Wednesday, accusing them of using millions of the newspaper's articles without permission to help train chatbots to provide information to readers.

The newspaper's complaint, filed in Manhattan federal court, accused OpenAI and Microsoft of trying to "free-ride on The Times's massive investment in its journalism" by using it to provide alternative means to deliver information to readers.

"There is nothing 'transformative' about using The Times's content without payment to create products that substitute for The Times and steal audiences away from it," the Times said.

The case is New York Times Co v Microsoft Corp et al, U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York, No. 23-11195.

Yes, I should post these here not where I did.  👍

The important part of these cases is Fair Use claimed by the scraping of data vs the copyrights of the people who create the original data.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on December 28, 2023, 16:48
It is a good article.

There are a lot of legal things to clear up with how to use ai responsibly.

I certainly hope midjourney, stable, open ai all license our content properly from the agencies.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on January 03, 2024, 11:37
Even though this is old, it's worth reading, in my opinion.


Sep. 26, 2023 5:23 AM ETGetty Images Holdings, Inc. (GETY) StockGOOG, MSFT, BIDU, NVDA, META, BABA, GOOGL
By: Ravikash, SA News Editor

Getty Images (NYSE:GETY) on Monday launched a generative artificial intelligence, or AI, tool which will produce images from the company's content library.

The model called Generative AI by Getty Images, is trained on the Edify model architecture, which is part of Nvidia's (NVDA) NVIDIA Picasso, a foundry for generative AI models for visual design.

The company said the AI tool is trained only from Getty Images' creative library, including exclusive premium content, with full indemnification for commercial use.

In addition, contributors will be compensated for any inclusion of their content in the training set, according to the company.

Earlier this year, Getty — which holds rights to millions of images — filed a lawsuit in the U.S. against Stability AI, developers of AI image generator Stable Diffusion, for allegedly using images without consent.

"We've created a service that allows brands and marketers to safely embrace AI and stretch their creative possibilities, while compensating creators for inclusion of their visuals in the underlying training sets," said Grant Farhall, Chief Product Officer at Getty.

Getty added that customers will soon be able to customize the AI tool with proprietary data to produce images with their unique brand style and language. However, this and other service advancements will be added later this year.

The AI tool will not use the company's news photo collection, part of an effort to prevent the generation of deepfakes, Bloomberg News reported citing, Getty's CEO Craig Peters.

Generative AI services have taken the world by storm, since the launch of Microsoft (MSFT)-backed OpenAI's ChatGPT. The different types of large language models, or LLMs, which can provide services such as content and image generation, to name a few, are being used globally. However, there also have been questions about whether the tools benefit from the work of artists, authors, and photographers.

Earlier this month, OpenAI was sued in a New York federal court by a number of authors, including George R.R. Martin and John Grisham over alleged copyright infringement.

Besides Getty's lawsuit against Stability AI, several artists have also sued services including Stable Diffusion and Midjourney, according to the Bloomberg report.

Earlier In September, Microsoft reportedly said it would defend buyers of its AI products from copyright infringement suits, in an effort to allay concerns customers may have about using its generated content based on existing work.

Companies globally have launched their own LLMs. Baidu's (BIDU) Ernie Bot, Alibaba's (BABA) Tongyi Qianwen and Tongyi Wanxiang, Alphabet's unit (GOOG) (GOOGL) Google's Bard, OpenAI's upcoming text-to-image AI tool DALL·E 3, Meta Platforms' (META) AudioCraft, SeamlessM4T, and Llama 2, are some of them.


"Earlier In September, Microsoft reportedly said it would defend buyers of its AI products from copyright infringement suits, in an effort to allay concerns customers may have about using its generated content based on existing work."

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on January 16, 2024, 06:56
Summary of Nvidia ai tools. They are working with. everyone in the industry, Adobe, getty, shutterstock

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/gpu-cloud/picasso/ (https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/gpu-cloud/picasso/)


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Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on January 16, 2024, 07:01
I moved the thread to the new ai forum.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on January 16, 2024, 10:13
test
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on January 16, 2024, 12:48
I moved the thread to the new ai forum.

Good move.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on January 18, 2024, 12:14
test

Why is the thread not showing up on the starter page?
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: cobalt on February 16, 2024, 00:28
Presentation of the Sora ai video engine. Incredible looking stuff.

https://openai.com/sora?fbclid=IwAR3EcH8pnYR8WMJag-6S8qwQdprof1pcsikZypRKAn8Qm2SPGbsXCNZebEY#capabilities

https://petapixel.com/2024/02/15/openais-sora-turns-short-text-prompts-into-photo-realistic-video/?fbclid=IwAR0sd0EAJfaHkju4bhIzLkRwlV5FgXVwzvIr7N2UznjgS6LgcJJuM30Rsjs
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on February 20, 2024, 10:42
Interesting article co-written by a journalist and a law professor about where the fair use argument has succeeded - and failed - in prior cases. The key issue, IMO, is that things that might be fair use by an individual for personal use, or researchers for academic use are not so if done by a for-profit company for commercial use.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/02/why-the-new-york-times-might-win-its-copyright-lawsuit-against-openai/

After a discussion of why Google won its case about building a search engine for books, including that it was built to be unable to produce no more than snippets, the article says:

"Ultimately, the fate of these companies may depend on whether judges feel that the companies have made a good-faith effort to color inside the lines. If generative models never regurgitated copyrighted material, then defendants would have a compelling argument that it is transformative. The fact that the models occasionally produce near-perfect copies of other people’s creative work makes the case more complicated and could lead judges to view these companies more skeptically."
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on February 20, 2024, 11:51
Interesting article co-written by a journalist and a law professor about where the fair use argument has succeeded - and failed - in prior cases. The key issue, IMO, is that things that might be fair use by an individual for personal use, or researchers for academic use are not so if done by a for-profit company for commercial use.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/02/why-the-new-york-times-might-win-its-copyright-lawsuit-against-openai/

After a discussion of why Google won its case about building a search engine for books, including that it was built to be unable to produce no more than snippets, the article says:

"Ultimately, the fate of these companies may depend on whether judges feel that the companies have made a good-faith effort to color inside the lines. If generative models never regurgitated copyrighted material, then defendants would have a compelling argument that it is transformative. The fact that the models occasionally produce near-perfect copies of other people’s creative work makes the case more complicated and could lead judges to view these companies more skeptically."

The above is about Text and writing, not photos. If the AI for images, starts popping out "near-perfect copies of other people’s creative work" then there would be some complications. That has been the defense, so far, for art, that the new images are not one to one traceable back to any other work.

I think the artists have a point when AI is using their style, and maybe allowing the association with their name. In a similar way, how can AI use the likeness of famous people, in creations, that look in many ways, much like those famous people. That shouldn't be allowed.

(https://images.nightcafe.studio/jobs/ckh0kv1zetqTQc1YL7Mj/ckh0kv1zetqTQc1YL7Mj--1--7xkyg.jpg?tr=w-1600,c-at_max)

Specific person arguments aside, how is this allowed? (and I don't mean the horse with ahead coming out of it's behind, or the others with 5/6 legs)  :D

(https://images.nightcafe.studio/jobs/KixKGqFx9EBJpqUZXQb9/KixKGqFx9EBJpqUZXQb9--1--bcfrk.jpg?tr=w-1600,c-at_max)
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Andrej.S. on February 28, 2024, 16:36
Google is now also playing in the AI league.
With the Gemini model Google is attacking at the forefront. Gemini is a multimodal model that can process text, images, video, music and other documents such as PDFs as inputs and generate corresponding outputs.

Google offers a cloud-based API platform for using and developing your own AI models, which can be created from the smaller Gema models.
Even some third-party open source models can be used.

In my opinion, Google created a strong overall package of AI models, API and cloud environment.
Despite the current problems I would assume that Google has a big chance to take the first place from Open AI in the long term.

https://blog.google/technology/developers/gemma-open-models/
https://deepmind.google/technologies/gemini/#introduction
https://blog.google/products/ads-commerce/gemini-models-are-coming-to-performance-max/
https://blog.google/technology/ai/google-labs-imagefx-textfx-generative-ai/

Free testing of Google's AI Image Generator: https://aitestkitchen.withgoogle.com/tools/image-fx
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on February 29, 2024, 14:04
Google is now also playing in the AI league.
With the Gemini model Google is attacking at the forefront. Gemini is a multimodal model that can process text, images, video, music and other documents such as PDFs as inputs and generate corresponding outputs.

Google offers a cloud-based API platform for using and developing your own AI models, which can be created from the smaller Gema models.
Even some third-party open source models can be used.

In my opinion, Google created a strong overall package of AI models, API and cloud environment.
Despite the current problems I would assume that Google has a big chance to take the first place from Open AI in the long term.

https://blog.google/technology/developers/gemma-open-models/ (https://blog.google/technology/developers/gemma-open-models/)
https://deepmind.google/technologies/gemini/#introduction (https://deepmind.google/technologies/gemini/#introduction)
https://blog.google/products/ads-commerce/gemini-models-are-coming-to-performance-max/ (https://blog.google/products/ads-commerce/gemini-models-are-coming-to-performance-max/)
https://blog.google/technology/ai/google-labs-imagefx-textfx-generative-ai/ (https://blog.google/technology/ai/google-labs-imagefx-textfx-generative-ai/)

Free testing of Google's AI Image Generator: https://aitestkitchen.withgoogle.com/tools/image-fx (https://aitestkitchen.withgoogle.com/tools/image-fx)

Being Woke and diverse has created the opposite of what an honest AI would do.

"It appears that in trying to solve one problem - bias - the tech giant has created another: output which tries so hard to be politically correct that it ends up being absurd."

"Gemini also generated German soldiers from World War Two, incorrectly featuring a black man and Asian woman."

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-68412620 (https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-68412620)

Reverse Bias is still bias. While trying to compensate for what the AI got from general images, they have created a mockery.

"When the AI was asked to show a picture of a White person, Gemini said it could not fulfill the request because it "reinforces harmful stereotypes and generalizations about people based on their race."  :o

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Andrej.S. on March 01, 2024, 03:03
Google is now also playing in the AI league.
With the Gemini model Google is attacking at the forefront. Gemini is a multimodal model that can process text, images, video, music and other documents such as PDFs as inputs and generate corresponding outputs.

Google offers a cloud-based API platform for using and developing your own AI models, which can be created from the smaller Gema models.
Even some third-party open source models can be used.

In my opinion, Google created a strong overall package of AI models, API and cloud environment.
Despite the current problems I would assume that Google has a big chance to take the first place from Open AI in the long term.

https://blog.google/technology/developers/gemma-open-models/ (https://blog.google/technology/developers/gemma-open-models/)
https://deepmind.google/technologies/gemini/#introduction (https://deepmind.google/technologies/gemini/#introduction)
https://blog.google/products/ads-commerce/gemini-models-are-coming-to-performance-max/ (https://blog.google/products/ads-commerce/gemini-models-are-coming-to-performance-max/)
https://blog.google/technology/ai/google-labs-imagefx-textfx-generative-ai/ (https://blog.google/technology/ai/google-labs-imagefx-textfx-generative-ai/)

Free testing of Google's AI Image Generator: https://aitestkitchen.withgoogle.com/tools/image-fx (https://aitestkitchen.withgoogle.com/tools/image-fx)

Being Woke and diverse has created the opposite of what an honest AI would do.

"It appears that in trying to solve one problem - bias - the tech giant has created another: output which tries so hard to be politically correct that it ends up being absurd."

"Gemini also generated German soldiers from World War Two, incorrectly featuring a black man and Asian woman."

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-68412620 (https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-68412620)

Reverse Bias is still bias. While trying to compensate for what the AI got from general images, they have created a mockery.

"When the AI was asked to show a picture of a White person, Gemini said it could not fulfill the request because it "reinforces harmful stereotypes and generalizations about people based on their race."  :o

Yes, I read that, just like Gemini couldn't answer the question of whether Elon Musk's meme tweets or Adolf Hitler did more harm to the society.
https://gemini.google.com/share/231396168632?hl=en (https://gemini.google.com/share/231396168632?hl=en)

Google is currently lagging far behind Open AI, so they had to rush and tried to play it safe on all potential ethical issues, because it takes much time to adjust the algorithm for appropriate answers. I mean political correctness is such a complex thing that even many humans fail. In addition, we currently have political "overcorrectness" and minorities are disproportionately "favored", so you just can loose nowdays if you start from the scratch and rush.
But as long as the advantages for professional applications like chemistry, medicine, automotive, etc. outweigh, nobody will talk about such cases in the future.
 
For the image generator it would be easy just to block all such prompts by a giving error of an inappropriate request just like for example Microsoft's Bing image creator does.

////Edit:
Found this demo of Gemini's model capabilities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIZAiXYceBI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIZAiXYceBI)

If this isn't staged at all, it is really impressive.
Reminds me of the TARS robot from the Interstellar movie.

////Edit2:
What about the AI google ads capabilities?
https://youtu.be/kyTu3mgGfUA?t=78 (https://youtu.be/kyTu3mgGfUA?t=78)

Do you really believe people will still search for photos on agencies, when they will use all-in-one AI suites in 3 to 4 years?
People won't care about less quality that much. They will use it because they can save time and earn more money by just being more productive.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Andrej.S. on March 05, 2024, 11:04
Just found the research section on Adobe.
https://research.adobe.com/publications/

Have you seen guys what Adobe has been working on lately with scientists like MIT?
As I said some time ago Adobe should focus more on AI, lol they've probably been doing that already for years.

Docens papers on AI research, for example extreme speedup of diffusion models (reduction of the generation time to 80 milliseconds with just one generation step):
https://research.adobe.com/publication/dmd/
https://tianweiy.github.io/dmd/

Approximate Caching for Efficiently Serving Diffusion Models, which reduces aswell generation time by using caching method.

https://research.adobe.com/publication/approximate-caching-for-efficiently-serving-diffusion-models/

Or Iterative Multi-Granular Image Editing Using Diffusion Models, which means you can edit image content by just text prompts.
https://research.adobe.com/publication/iterative-multi-granular-image-editing-using-diffusion-models/
https://openaccess.thecvf.com/content/WACV2024/papers/Joseph_Iterative_Multi-Granular_Image_Editing_Using_Diffusion_Models_WACV_2024_paper.pdf

CoPL: Contextual Prompt Learning for Vision-Language Understanding, which means developing a user friendly and precise prompting technique.
https://research.adobe.com/publication/copl-contextual-prompt-learning-for-vision-language-understanding/

Perceptual Artifacts Localization for Image Synthesis Tasks, which mean an AI model to identify artifacts in AI generated images.
https://research.adobe.com/publication/perceptual-artifacts-localization-for-image-synthesis-tasks/

You guys are counting on Adobe for nothing.
It was such a brilliant idea from Adobe to accept AI images. They have millions of user generated images and there is still a flood of new coming millions, which they can use for their own research purpose.
Just imagine, if they combine the AI technique of spotting generated artifacts, which they can correct on the fly.

Dam*, their strategy is just brilliant.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on March 07, 2024, 16:34
https://petapixel.com/2024/03/07/recreating-iconic-photos-with-ai-image-generators/

None of the copies are great, but they're clearly more than "inspired by" the very famous images they were trained on.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Andrej.S. on March 08, 2024, 03:34
https://petapixel.com/2024/03/07/recreating-iconic-photos-with-ai-image-generators/

None of the copies are great, but they're clearly more than "inspired by" the very famous images they were trained on.

Actually they are really bad copies. I don't understand why you would want to recreate old famous photos. It's like recreating Mona Lisa, why should you? What's the point? Famous unique vintage content holds it's value in it's authenticity.

But you can create new original images with new perspectives, new techniques, styles, etc. You would try to evolve and not stagnate.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Andrej.S. on March 15, 2024, 07:26
Whoa, found today wirestock's AI image generator:

https://wirestock.io/ai-generate

Dam*, that thing is better as I would expect. The generator is obviously using finetuned Stable Diffusion models.
Their price is even not that bad. 10 bucks / month for 1000 generations.

Here are some test generarions:

https://ibb.co/VCX2VPr
https://ibb.co/dtyxc1J
https://ibb.co/s1fK54j
https://ibb.co/Q9VySpR

This development makes me quite nervous.
It's faster than I would expect.

I can currently beat the generated results by only using an AI upscaler (altough I haven't tried out wirestock's upscaler yet).

As an AI prompter I think you should already now focus on learning to generate visual aesthetic and striking images to stand out of the coming storm.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Andrej.S. on March 19, 2024, 08:11
NVIDIA Launches Blackwell-Powered DGX SuperPOD for Generative AI Supercomputing at Trillion-Parameter Scale

https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-blackwell-dgx-generative-ai-supercomputing

Not that I understand much about the technical specifications, but what sounds promising is the following sentence

Quote
GB200 Superchips deliver up to a 30x performance increase compared to the NVIDIA H100 Tensor Core GPU for large language model inference workloads.

So Nvidia released the old H100 just last year and now they release a new for AI optimized chip, which delivers up to a 30x speed up.

Imagine how advanced AI will become the next years if Nvidia will hold on the release pace.
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on April 13, 2024, 12:41
Bloomberg article about Adobe Firefly training - "Adobe’s ‘Ethical’ Firefly AI Was Trained on Midjourney Images"

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/adobe-ethical-firefly-ai-trained-123004288.html

PetaPixel via Bloomberg:

https://petapixel.com/2024/04/11/adobe-will-buy-your-videos-for-up-to-7-25-per-minute-to-train-ai-report/

Bloomberg: "Adobe Inc. has begun to procure videos to build its artificial intelligence text-to-video generator, trying to catch up to competitors after OpenAI demonstrated a similar technology."

More interesting, especially in light of the first article is one of the comments (emphasis mine):

"I just realized what this actually means. It's mostly marketing. Clever marketing.
They can't possibly gather enough material in a timeframe that can compete with simply scraping or buying in bulk. While they wait for volunteers to upload content, the other AI companies will have stolen the entire Internet twice over (which is what I think they are also doing, behind the scenes).
This is made to become product differentiation at launch.
And it's impossible to check the numbers (creators, video time etc) because it's confidential.

Brilliant.
PS: they can use the material they gather through this method, it is useful, but it's just too little. This method provides protection in the case of overfitting, or it can be used to produce better results by referencing more aggressively."
Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: synthetick on April 13, 2024, 18:30
Some useful insight into how much companies are paying to stock agencies for datasets:

https://www.reuters.com/technology/inside-big-techs-underground-race-buy-ai-training-data-2024-04-05/ (https://www.reuters.com/technology/inside-big-techs-underground-race-buy-ai-training-data-2024-04-05/)

"Rates vary by buyer and content type, but Braga said companies are generally willing to pay $1 to $2 per image, $2 to $4 per short-form video and $100 to $300 per hour of longer films."

It seems to me that only a very tiny percentage of this is being paid to artists.

Title: Re: Generative AI Collection of links and important articles, videos, court cases
Post by: Uncle Pete on April 14, 2024, 12:37

It seems to me that only a very tiny percentage of this is being paid to artists.

There's no doubt about that. If Adobe is true to their word, we are getting 30%, minimum for any image used. Make a note, other like SS and IS we'd get 15%? But I don't see Adobe disclosing what we are actually getting paid for data training.

Training AI using other AI images, is a dangerous tactic. Adobe admits that 5% or less, which was carefully inspected, was used. WHY? First off, if it's such a small number, why not find real images to fill the voids? But 1% is still, some percent, so Firefly is not free of scraped data.

We're still watching the courts to see what is decided about out of copyright and fair use. More claims, more trials, somewhere, someone has to make a decision that defines and decides with clear limits and regulation.