Author Topic: how is it possible? Borrowed elements used in stock photos. (Read 34309 times)

Vitamine · « **on:** December 26, 2012, 23:59 »

And many more.

admin edit: changed the thread title to be a little more explanatory

Equus · « **Reply #1 on:** December 27, 2012, 00:13 »

Do you mean,

1) how is it possible that SS accepted them with so much out of focus, or

2) do you mean how did the photographer produce them?

Vitamine · « **Reply #2 on:** December 27, 2012, 00:22 »

Equus:
How shutterstock's inspector have approved pictures with elements of other author? Blurred backgrounds are stolen.

Delve · « **Reply #3 on:** December 27, 2012, 00:24 »

I believe they're asking about the use of other photographers' backgrounds in the table images.

In each of the examples posted, the background image (quite blurred) are used in the following table image. If you look up the table images, they're all created by one person but if you look up the background images, they're all created by different photographers (none of which are the same).

Seems sketchy to me. I'd imagine Shutterstock hasn't caught on yet but I do believe this isn't allowed.

Equus · « **Reply #4 on:** December 27, 2012, 00:47 »

I was joking, sorry it wasn't clear.

I would have expected them all (the composites) to be rejected for focus.

THP Creative · « **Reply #5 on:** December 27, 2012, 01:18 »

wow, it's terrible to see this kind of thing. You should report it to Shutterstock immediately with links to the relevant images, and see what they have to say.

Veneratio · « **Reply #6 on:** December 27, 2012, 06:26 »

Jeez, this guy has over 10,000 images and a lot like these ones posted where he has used a background which isn't his. I can see SS shutting him down for this, it has been done for a lot less than this before.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 27, 2012, 07:01 »

Quote from: Veneratio on December 27, 2012, 06:26

Jeez, this guy has over 10,000 images and a lot like these ones posted where he has used a background which isn't his. I can see SS shutting him down for this, it has been done for a lot less than this before.

I am sure they will ban him, they are already

stockmarketer · « **Reply #8 on:** December 27, 2012, 07:20 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on December 27, 2012, 07:01

I am sure they will ban him, they are already

They are already what? The offender's port is still live.

This guy must make a lot of money for SS. I wonder if they'll kick him out completely, or just the ones that infringe?

luissantos84 · « **Reply #9 on:** December 27, 2012, 07:23 »

its not online, the first one is deleted so I guess all other

incredible how can pro guys do this stuff...

http://en.fotolia.com/id/47873194

http://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-photography-two-loaves-fresh-bread-image27924997

http://www.123rf.com/photo_16573644_two-loaves-of-bread-on-rustic-table-with-wind-mill-background.html

http://depositphotos.com/user-1489960/bigiii.html

stockmarketer · « **Reply #10 on:** December 27, 2012, 07:37 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on December 27, 2012, 07:23

its not online, the first one is deleted so I guess all other

incredible how can pro guys do this stuff...

http://en.fotolia.com/id/47873194

http://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-photography-two-loaves-fresh-bread-image27924997

Is anyone turning him in to the various agencies?

Wow, look at his stuff on Fotolia. It's all based on 3-credit pricing. He must sell a LOT there as well.

If he wasn't such a thief, I would actually feel sorry for this guy. He seems to have good skills, and he clearly makes a lot of money in microstock, and if justice is served, his whole world is about to come crashing down.

I wonder if he supports a family from this income. He's about to lose it all. Very sad. I'm very curious to see how this plays out.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 27, 2012, 07:41 »

Quote from: stockmarketer on December 27, 2012, 07:37

Quote from: luissantos84 on December 27, 2012, 07:23
its not online, the first one is deleted so I guess all other

incredible how can pro guys do this stuff...

http://en.fotolia.com/id/47873194

http://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-photography-two-loaves-fresh-bread-image27924997

Is anyone turning him in to the various agencies?

Wow, look at his stuff on Fotolia. It's all based on 3-credit pricing. He must sell a LOT there as well.

If he wasn't such a thief, I would actually feel sorry for this guy. He seems to have good skills, and he clearly makes a lot of money in microstock, and if justice is served, his whole world is about to come crashing down.

I wonder if he supports a family from this income. He's about to lose it all. Very sad. I'm very curious to see how this plays out.

yep messed up, he will go down, sadly but well deserved for such stupidity...

fotografer · « **Reply #12 on:** December 27, 2012, 07:45 »

Quote from: stockmarketer on December 27, 2012, 07:37

Quote from: luissantos84 on December 27, 2012, 07:23
its not online, the first one is deleted so I guess all other

incredible how can pro guys do this stuff...

http://en.fotolia.com/id/47873194

http://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-photography-two-loaves-fresh-bread-image27924997

Is anyone turning him in to the various agencies?

Wow, look at his stuff on Fotolia. It's all based on 3-credit pricing. He must sell a LOT there as well.

If he wasn't such a thief, I would actually feel sorry for this guy. He seems to have good skills, and he clearly makes a lot of money in microstock, and if justice is served, his whole world is about to come crashing down.

I wonder if he supports a family from this income. He's about to lose it all. Very sad. I'm very curious to see how this plays out.

I thought the same. What a shame he felt the need to steal as he is obviously very talented.

gostwyck · « **Reply #13 on:** December 27, 2012, 07:49 »

According to his FT portfolio he's from Poland.

Interestingly, although he's been registered on SS since 2007, almost all of his portfolio was uploaded in 2012 (same at FT and DT too). That's a huge amount of work in one year ... but it's probably all about to disappear. From the volume alone I'd guess that this operation was the work of more than one individual.

The photography itself, the foreground stuff that is, is actually of a very high standard too. Seems even stranger to me for someone to be that skilled and work that hard whilst engaging in a cheap trick like ripping off backgrounds. You'd think that they could have produced their own stuff relatively easily.

Well spotted Vitamine.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #14 on:** December 27, 2012, 07:50 »

Quote from: fotografer on December 27, 2012, 07:45

Quote from: stockmarketer on December 27, 2012, 07:37
Quote from: luissantos84 on December 27, 2012, 07:23
its not online, the first one is deleted so I guess all other

incredible how can pro guys do this stuff...

http://en.fotolia.com/id/47873194

http://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-photography-two-loaves-fresh-bread-image27924997

Is anyone turning him in to the various agencies?

Wow, look at his stuff on Fotolia. It's all based on 3-credit pricing. He must sell a LOT there as well.

If he wasn't such a thief, I would actually feel sorry for this guy. He seems to have good skills, and he clearly makes a lot of money in microstock, and if justice is served, his whole world is about to come crashing down.

I wonder if he supports a family from this income. He's about to lose it all. Very sad. I'm very curious to see how this plays out.

I thought the same. What a shame he felt the need to steal as he is obviously very talented.

thats where talent falls apart, how talented is he? he is a sad guy just that... and will lose everything... sure he will come up with other portfolio, maybe with his cousin or wife name, if he havent already...

gostwyck · « **Reply #15 on:** December 27, 2012, 07:53 »

Quote from: stockmarketer on December 27, 2012, 07:37

Wow, look at his stuff on Fotolia. It's all based on 3-credit pricing. He must sell a LOT there as well.

If he wasn't such a thief, I would actually feel sorry for this guy. He seems to have good skills, and he clearly makes a lot of money in microstock, and if justice is served, his whole world is about to come crashing down.

I wonder if he supports a family from this income. He's about to lose it all. Very sad. I'm very curious to see how this plays out.

How did he get 3-credit pricing on FT? He's only at Silver rank. I wonder if he's tried to claim that those images are exclusive to FT (which they are not).

OLJensa · « **Reply #16 on:** December 27, 2012, 08:08 »

Wow, this is insane. His ports are still up, has anyone reported to the agencies yet?

rimglow · « **Reply #17 on:** December 27, 2012, 09:37 »

I wonder if the owners of the "borrowed" photos are aware of what's going on.

rubyroo · « **Reply #18 on:** December 27, 2012, 09:37 »

This is really the most puzzling case I've seen to date. As has been said, why would someone who has taken such care to produce good work resort to this? Very odd.

incarno · « **Reply #19 on:** December 27, 2012, 10:12 »

Quote from: gostwyck on December 27, 2012, 07:53

Quote from: stockmarketer on December 27, 2012, 07:37
Wow, look at his stuff on Fotolia. It's all based on 3-credit pricing. He must sell a LOT there as well.

If he wasn't such a thief, I would actually feel sorry for this guy. He seems to have good skills, and he clearly makes a lot of money in microstock, and if justice is served, his whole world is about to come crashing down.

I wonder if he supports a family from this income. He's about to lose it all. Very sad. I'm very curious to see how this plays out.

How did he get 3-credit pricing on FT? He's only at Silver rank. I wonder if he's tried to claim that those images are exclusive to FT (which they are not).

Exactly he claims his stuff or even more probably himself as an exclusive photographer that will not going to work in the long term he will banned for that!

aspp · « **Reply #20 on:** December 27, 2012, 11:31 »

Will Shutterstock have to audit every sale and pay the original artists who have had their work appropriated ? Will they have to contact the people who have bought these images ? Will the final clients have to be informed that their advertising includes content which they never had permission to use ?

We never seem to hear the outcome of these sorts of cases. It would be great to see one of the magazines or influential professional photography blogs following through on one of these stories which often show what a potentially problematic minefield low priced RF and especially microstock can be for the final clients

I am surprised that these images were not flagged at inspection. They are not particularly well executed and are obviously composites. So how were they accepted without property releases for the back grounds or other evidence of where the backgrounds were from ?

JPSDK · « **Reply #21 on:** December 27, 2012, 11:33 »

This will be good for all of us.
A major seller will be closed and his sales can go to others.
Thats fine.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #22 on:** December 27, 2012, 11:50 »

Quote from: aspp on December 27, 2012, 11:31

I am surprised that these images were not flagged at inspection. They are not particularly well executed and are obviously composites. So how were they accepted without property releases for the back grounds or other evidence of where the backgrounds were from ?

1 - they are reasonable done, much much much better than the majority of files back in 2004 or even 2012
2 - I don't see where and why he would need a property release for a beach or windmills or fireplace or vineyard AND of course the owner wouldn't sign the release
3 - why would they be flagged? the similarity program SS is supposed to own is far from perfect and I don't know a program that can do that easily, reviewers aren't the ones to blame, pretty much is this guy that not only have great shooting skills but also a ton of stupidity on his bag

Poncke · « **Reply #23 on:** December 27, 2012, 11:52 »

Has someone posted this on SS forum? They should know.

aspp · « **Reply #24 on:** December 27, 2012, 12:26 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on December 27, 2012, 11:50

2 - I don't see where and why he would need a property release for a beach or windmills or fireplace or vineyard AND of course the owner wouldn't sign the release

Not to do with the windmills, fireplace etc. Submitting composites artists should normally be required to account for or provide property releases for all of the elements. The normal thing is surely to provide a link to your original component image in the case of a backdrop. The same as when you submit images which use a painted and textured backdrop.

Quote from: luissantos84 on December 27, 2012, 11:50

3 - why would they be flagged?

Obvious composites.

So the main thing is that the original artists get paid for every download and that the final clients are advised to pull any uses.

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Author Topic: how is it possible? Borrowed elements used in stock photos. (Read 34309 times)

Vitamine

Equus

Vitamine

Delve

Equus

THP Creative

Veneratio

luissantos84

stockmarketer

luissantos84

stockmarketer

luissantos84

fotografer

gostwyck

luissantos84

gostwyck

OLJensa

rimglow

rubyroo

incarno

aspp

JPSDK

luissantos84

Poncke

aspp

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