Author Topic: Human involvement required: No US copyright for AI-generated artwork (Read 2472 times)

MadMax · « **on:** August 21, 2023, 18:01 »

I read that in the news today. Bummer, right? So, now I'm going to Instagram, search for the most successful mid-journey accounts there, and pick out the best parts for my own Insta account. This stuff belongs to everyone now.

f8 · « **Reply #1 on:** August 21, 2023, 22:38 »

Quote from: Thomas Vogel on August 21, 2023, 18:01

I read that in the news today. Bummer, right? So, now I'm going to Instagram, search for the most successful mid-journey accounts there, and pick out the best parts for my own Insta account. This stuff belongs to everyone now.

Now you know why AS is going full speed on this. You do the work and they can sell it and not pay you because it's not yours. Prepare yourself.

cobalt · « **Reply #2 on:** August 22, 2023, 00:39 »

Once ai tools are integrated into photoshop and used all the time, what will the us copyright office do?

I doubt this is the last decision. The law will evolve over time.

I am sure Adobe will continue to pay us for sales, otherwise how will they get fresh content?

The interesting question is what will Adobe with the copycats who upload a copy of a very specific picture or series. Not the generic tropical beach that everyone has in their account.

There will be people who professionally steal and copy only someones bestsellers.

They could even download it from Adobe and upload.

What will Adobe do then?

I think agencies that take ai content will start to give preference to the first file entering their database.

Might even have ai filters looking for exact duplicates at some point and reject them for too many similars in the collection.

It will probably be a case by case thing, but I hope that those of us that put the effort in now, will have the back of the agency.

Obviously everything else would be demoralizing.

Her Ugliness · « **Reply #3 on:** August 22, 2023, 00:48 »

Quote from: Thomas Vogel on August 21, 2023, 18:01

I read that in the news today. Bummer, right? So, now I'm going to Instagram, search for the most successful mid-journey accounts there, and pick out the best parts for my own Insta account. This stuff belongs to everyone now.

Do that, but just keep in mind that the US is, despite what some people seem to think, only a very small part of the world with only around 4% of the world poulation. So while I welcome the decision of the US, the rest of the world still has to follow for your plan to be bullet-proof.

derby · « **Reply #4 on:** August 22, 2023, 04:07 »

I think that it should be read carefully.

The full news says that this decision apply to image "created by AI" without human interactions; and it's very explicit saying it.
A machine creating an output without human.

So it cannot be applied to any works created with prompt, or any human interactions

EDIT:
Cascoly wrote in a different thread a more detailed post about this point:
https://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/generative-ai-collection-of-links-and-important-articles-videos-court-cases/msg591118/#msg591118

cascoly · « **Reply #5 on:** August 22, 2023, 15:48 »

Quote from: Thomas Vogel on August 21, 2023, 18:01

I read that in the news today. Bummer, right? So, now I'm going to Instagram, search for the most successful mid-journey accounts there, and pick out the best parts for my own Insta account. This stuff belongs to everyone now.

a dangerous move - this decision didn't solve the main problem - it was one case & the artist for some reason declared it was completely autonomous

cascoly · « **Reply #6 on:** August 22, 2023, 15:49 »

Quote from: f8 on August 21, 2023, 22:38

Quote from: Thomas Vogel on August 21, 2023, 18:01
I read that in the news today. Bummer, right? So, now I'm going to Instagram, search for the most successful mid-journey accounts there, and pick out the best parts for my own Insta account. This stuff belongs to everyone now.

Now you know why AS is going full speed on this. You do the work and they can sell it and not pay you because it's not yours. Prepare yourself.

copyrigbt doesnt matter for contributors - if your submitted work is accepted AS agrees to pay you

PigsInSpace · « **Reply #7 on:** August 22, 2023, 16:07 »

Quote from: derby on August 22, 2023, 04:07

I think that it should be read carefully.

The full news says that this decision apply to image "created by AI" without human interactions; and it's very explicit saying it.
A machine creating an output without human.

So it cannot be applied to any works created with prompt, or any human interactions

I don’t think it would be enough to say I gave the AI a prompt, so it’s copyrightable. Presumably the specific AI painting at issue in this case came from a prompt. Saying a prompt is enough to assign copyright could create ownership issues with human authors. If I was asked to “Take a photo in the style of Jackson Pollock of this mountain” or “create a short story about a cat who lives in an apartment and solves crimes” I would hold the copyright, not the person who asked me to make the work.

Now I want to read a story about Inspector Fluffy, PI…

f8 · « **Reply #8 on:** August 22, 2023, 20:51 »

Quote from: cascoly on August 22, 2023, 15:49

Quote from: f8 on August 21, 2023, 22:38
Quote from: Thomas Vogel on August 21, 2023, 18:01
I read that in the news today. Bummer, right? So, now I'm going to Instagram, search for the most successful mid-journey accounts there, and pick out the best parts for my own Insta account. This stuff belongs to everyone now.

Now you know why AS is going full speed on this. You do the work and they can sell it and not pay you because it's not yours. Prepare yourself.

copyrigbt doesnt matter for contributors - if your submitted work is accepted AS agrees to pay you

copyrigbt doesnt matter for contributors and so it starts. If an image is not copyrighted then there is no protection from any agency. There is already very little respect for any contributor with copyright and submitting content that is not protected will be contentious in the future. I said same about microstock circa 2007 and could see the result of where we are today. As mentioned, be prepared. And it won't be AS specific, it will be industry wide. We are at entry level.

In the current situation where most people upload to multiple platforms there is no way to monitor copyright infringement. This will increase tenfold with AI and the abuse will also increase tenfold.

I don't produce AI content, and for that matter nobody does. As mentioned, prepare yourself. There is not one platform/agency out there that has your best interests or finacial gain as their priority.

derby · « **Reply #9 on:** August 23, 2023, 03:55 »

Quote from: PigsInSpace on August 22, 2023, 16:07

I don’t think it would be enough to say I gave the AI a prompt, so it’s copyrightable

I didn't say that a simple prompt will be copyrightable, I only said that the judgment, subject of the topic, seemes to me not really applicable to AI images produced with human interactions

Copyright of AI images will be widely discussed in the near future

derby · « **Reply #10 on:** August 23, 2023, 04:02 »

Quote from: f8 on August 22, 2023, 20:51

Quote from: cascoly on August 22, 2023, 15:49
Quote from: f8 on August 21, 2023, 22:38
Quote from: Thomas Vogel on August 21, 2023, 18:01
I read that in the news today. Bummer, right? So, now I'm going to Instagram, search for the most successful mid-journey accounts there, and pick out the best parts for my own Insta account. This stuff belongs to everyone now.

Now you know why AS is going full speed on this. You do the work and they can sell it and not pay you because it's not yours. Prepare yourself.

copyrigbt doesnt matter for contributors - if your submitted work is accepted AS agrees to pay you

copyrigbt doesnt matter for contributors and so it starts. If an image is not copyrighted then there is no protection from any agency. There is already very little respect for any contributor with copyright and submitting content that is not protected will be contentious in the future. I said same about microstock circa 2007 and could see the result of where we are today. As mentioned, be prepared. And it won't be AS specific, it will be industry wide. We are at entry level.

In the current situation where most people upload to multiple platforms there is no way to monitor copyright infringement. This will increase tenfold with AI and the abuse will also increase tenfold.

I don't produce AI content, and for that matter nobody does. As mentioned, prepare yourself. There is not one platform/agency out there that has your best interests or finacial gain as their priority.

Microstock agencies and market are for sure not the greatest and most important company in which the AI will have impact

There are several great company that has BIG interest in regulate copyright and AI: let's say Disney, Pixar, Warner, any big company that produce visual content using AI, all of them will need a clear copyright on their own creations; and they will discuss and obtain it.

Microsotck is not the center of the world

f8 · « **Reply #11 on:** August 23, 2023, 08:27 »

Quote from: derby on August 23, 2023, 04:02

Quote from: f8 on August 22, 2023, 20:51
Quote from: cascoly on August 22, 2023, 15:49
Quote from: f8 on August 21, 2023, 22:38
Quote from: Thomas Vogel on August 21, 2023, 18:01
I read that in the news today. Bummer, right? So, now I'm going to Instagram, search for the most successful mid-journey accounts there, and pick out the best parts for my own Insta account. This stuff belongs to everyone now.

Now you know why AS is going full speed on this. You do the work and they can sell it and not pay you because it's not yours. Prepare yourself.

copyrigbt doesnt matter for contributors - if your submitted work is accepted AS agrees to pay you

copyrigbt doesnt matter for contributors and so it starts. If an image is not copyrighted then there is no protection from any agency. There is already very little respect for any contributor with copyright and submitting content that is not protected will be contentious in the future. I said same about microstock circa 2007 and could see the result of where we are today. As mentioned, be prepared. And it won't be AS specific, it will be industry wide. We are at entry level.

In the current situation where most people upload to multiple platforms there is no way to monitor copyright infringement. This will increase tenfold with AI and the abuse will also increase tenfold.

I don't produce AI content, and for that matter nobody does. As mentioned, prepare yourself. There is not one platform/agency out there that has your best interests or finacial gain as their priority.

Microstock agencies and market are for sure not the greatest and most important company in which the AI will have impact

There are several great company that has BIG interest in regulate copyright and AI: let's say Disney, Pixar, Warner, any big company that produce visual content using AI, all of them will need a clear copyright on their own creations; and they will discuss and obtain it.

Microsotck is not the center of the world

Microsotck is not the center of the world This is true, but at one point in time it was for many photographers and the 'I told you so' photographers were shunned upon for saying as much. Now we do backflips to sell an image for 10 cents for unlimited usage and it is no longer a sustainable business model for the contributor. If you can name one stock site that has petitioned for the benefit contributor I'd love to hear about it. Not one agency since the microstock model has ensured our best interests in mind. Their profits keep going up and they keep lowering our royalties. Disney, Pixar, Warner will clear copyright for sure, but they have the financial ability to ensure this for themselbes, not the small "center of the world" contributors, we will be exempt from this. Lest we forget AS, SS, Getty etc are corporate and will ensure their best corporate interests, just like they have to date. Every microstock agency has abused their contributors, we have our little hissy fit, and it's business as usual. Prepare yourself. If I told you in 2007 that we'd all be getting pennies on the dollar for stock photos and illustration I'd be booed out of the tribe as an outcast. If I told you in 2012 we'd be getting a few dollars for video I'd be the social outcast. Were you prepared?

cascoly · « **Reply #12 on:** August 23, 2023, 13:57 »

Quote from: f8 on August 22, 2023, 20:51

Quote from: cascoly on August 22, 2023, 15:49
Quote from: f8 on August 21, 2023, 22:38
Quote from: Thomas Vogel on August 21, 2023, 18:01
I read that in the news today. Bummer, right? So, now I'm going to Instagram, search for the most successful mid-journey accounts there, and pick out the best parts for my own Insta account. This stuff belongs to everyone now.

Now you know why AS is going full speed on this. You do the work and they can sell it and not pay you because it's not yours. Prepare yourself. {emphasis added}

copyrigbt doesn't matter for contributors - if your submitted work is accepted AS agrees to pay you

copyrigbt doesnt matter for contributors and so it starts. If an image is not copyrighted then there is no protection from any agency. There is already very little respect for any contributor with copyright and submitting content that is not protected will be contentious in the future. I said same about microstock circa 2007 and could see the result of where we are today. As mentioned, be prepared. And it won't be AS specific, it will be industry wide. We are at entry level.

just more agency bashing - AS has a contract with us to pay royalties. if they decide we don't own the copyright their only course would be to delete that image

this is entirely separate from the question of whether there's copyright or not - one court case does not determine US law, much less international standards. read the original article to see how limited this case was - dont rely on posts that take it out of context

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In the current situation where most people upload to multiple platforms there is no way to monitor copyright infringement. This will increase tenfold with AI and the abuse will also increase tenfold.
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what's your baseline? what are current levels copyright problems and abuse ? if you dont know that your prediction is meaningless. what is 10x 'a whole lot' ? i can make totally fact-free predictions too - i predict copyright problems and abuse will only increase moderately. i'd offer a bet if there was any way to actually discover reality.

cascoly · « **Reply #13 on:** August 23, 2023, 14:01 »

Quote from: f8 on August 23, 2023, 08:27

... If I told you in 2007 that we'd all be getting pennies on the dollar for stock photos and illustration I'd be booed out of the tribe as an outcast. If I told you in 2012 we'd be getting a few dollars for video I'd be the social outcast. Were you prepared?

wow! you're an oracle - your predictions only took 10-15 years to come true! (among other happenings, 2 major recession & a global pandemic)

f8 · « **Reply #14 on:** August 23, 2023, 15:56 »

Quote from: cascoly on August 23, 2023, 14:01

Quote from: f8 on August 23, 2023, 08:27
... If I told you in 2007 that we'd all be getting pennies on the dollar for stock photos and illustration I'd be booed out of the tribe as an outcast. If I told you in 2012 we'd be getting a few dollars for video I'd be the social outcast. Were you prepared?

wow! you're an oracle - your predictions only took 10-15 years to come true! (among other happenings, 2 major recession & a global pandemic)

An oracle? Hardly. But the predictions did come true. FWIW I did not factor in the "among other happenings, 2 major recession & a global pandemic" because the writing was on the wall and fairly obvoius.

It's also not agency bashing as you suggest because all the agencies out there today are similar. It's accepting the industry for what it has become and for what it is.

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