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« on: August 25, 2009, 11:08 »
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After Getty introducing new sizes for electronic use, Alamy is following:
"Royalty Free (RF) images will be available at the following sizes and price points:-

    * Up to 170 pixels: $5 / 5 / 5
    * Up to 280 pixels: $15 / 15 / 15
    * Up to 450 pixels: $49 / 39 / 39

Rights Managed (L or RP) images will be available as low resolution files for electronic use..

Electronic uses:-

    * Corporate website
    * Editorial website
    * Electronic presentation
    * Promotional email
    * One web advertisement

Price points for all the above electronic uses:-

    * Up to 170 pixels: $15 / 15 / 15
    * Up to 280 pixels: $35 / 35 / 35
    * Up to 450 pixels: $49 / 39 / 39
"
The rest of the remaining macro world for sure will follow!
so for very small sizes the difference between macro and micro becomes marginal. If I would have to look for such a small image for sure I would go to Getty first, if I have to pay 1$ or 5$ for an image this really doesn't matter.


« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2009, 11:47 »
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iStock raised it's prices via Vetta & now Getty ( who owns IS) and Alamy are lowering theirs.

As has been prognosticated already, in the end there will be no micro or macro.
It will all just be 'stock'.

lisafx

« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2009, 14:12 »
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Yeah, it was inevitable.  Too bad though.   Those bigger commissions at Alamy sure have been nice (though relatively rare for me). 

Guess we aren't likely to see any more of those discussions bemoaning the "ethics" of selling the same pics micro and macro.  The line continues to blur.

« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2009, 14:22 »
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I'm sure there will continue to be higher priced content, it'll probably just be the more niche type stuff, and any content being used for serious advertising.

I don't know of any large national/international companies that would risk identifying itself with an image they had no controls over - and thats one reason why RM exists in the first place: control.

« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2009, 14:30 »
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Hi Card Maverick,

 You wouldn't think a national brand would risk that chance to save a couple of dollars on a photo but I have just had many of my Micro images just used to launch a new Glidden paint campaign. I think they used 5 different shots. On their cans and paint swatches. I was pretty surprised. Still, our RM images are still our best returners, so far. :)

Best,
Jonathan

« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2009, 14:39 »
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Hi Card Maverick,

 You wouldn't think a national brand would risk that chance to save a couple of dollars on a photo but I have just had many of my Micro images just used to launch a new Glidden paint campaign. I think they used 5 different shots. On their cans and paint swatches. I was pretty surprised. Still, our RM images are still our best returners, so far. :)

Best,
Jonathan

Wow, thats interesting. Maybe they thought the usage risk was low enough. I still wonder about the more "super niche" subjects though, stuff that would require buying from an RM agency in order to find what they really need. Lots of stuff in microstock is technically good enough, but all to often the content isn't right or the supply is just to small to choose from. Many images are hard to find due to amateur keywording, etc...
« Last Edit: August 25, 2009, 14:41 by cardmaverick »

« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2009, 14:41 »
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I am not shocked at all the writing has been on the wall for a while, all the stocksites growth has either stopped or declined as the new markets are no longer there, the only new markets are the digital ones.

It just looks like preperation for newspapers and magazines moving to online subscriptions, you will notice the limitations on use, so it might be warning shot to the media giants that they will not be getting thier content so cheap.

To make this attractive to online users they need two more things, pay-as-you-go and a direct delivery, online users will not go looking for an image or pay for 10 if they need just one, but they might buy one if it was delivered to their blog, browser or application.

David  :o

« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2009, 14:50 »
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One theory I have about stock, particularly microstock sites, the thing customers really pay for, is the search engine. Think about the best returning micro sites - they all  have the best search engines. You can find the same content across many sites, but actually finding it isn't always as easy at the lower performing sites. I also think branding will become MUCH more important in the future. Trying to have a diverse collection, but a collection with a coherent style. For example, one site might have far more experimental looking content, you can still find medical and business images, but they would be more like scalpels attacking doctors or business men walking around covered in sticky notes in a hallway - as opposed to on white and smiling at the camera, squeaky clean.

hqimages

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« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2009, 15:03 »
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I am not shocked at all the writing has been on the wall for a while, all the stocksites growth has either stopped or declined as the new markets are no longer there, the only new markets are the digital ones.

It just looks like preperation for newspapers and magazines moving to online subscriptions, you will notice the limitations on use, so it might be warning shot to the media giants that they will not be getting thier content so cheap.

To make this attractive to online users they need two more things, pay-as-you-go and a direct delivery, online users will not go looking for an image or pay for 10 if they need just one, but they might buy one if it was delivered to their blog, browser or application.

David  :o

That's a really really really interesting idea...

« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2009, 15:03 »
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Hi Card Maverick,

 You wouldn't think a national brand would risk that chance to save a couple of dollars on a photo but I have just had many of my Micro images just used to launch a new Glidden paint campaign. I think they used 5 different shots. On their cans and paint swatches. I was pretty surprised. Still, our RM images are still our best returners, so far. :)

Best,
Jonathan

I find this as surprising as you Jonathan. However as surprising as it is it is much more infuriating. Everyday the business sinks a little lower into the quagmire. I'm not pulling an Old Hippy here I am just looking at the business as it once was, as I'm sure you know much better than I. Every now and then I find it good for the soul to go on a rant. I understand the nature of business, the need to match goods and services with demands and market conditions. However it doesn't make it any easier watching the constant erosion of an industry just because you know why it's happening. I think this is true for Micro as much as for macro.

Peter

« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2009, 17:11 »
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Hi Card Maverick,

 You wouldn't think a national brand would risk that chance to save a couple of dollars on a photo but I have just had many of my Micro images just used to launch a new Glidden paint campaign. I think they used 5 different shots. On their cans and paint swatches. I was pretty surprised. Still, our RM images are still our best returners, so far. :)

Best,
Jonathan

Wow, thats interesting. Maybe they thought the usage risk was low enough. I still wonder about the more "super niche" subjects though, stuff that would require buying from an RM agency in order to find what they really need. Lots of stuff in microstock is technically good enough, but all to often the content isn't right or the supply is just to small to choose from. Many images are hard to find due to amateur keywording, etc...

There's all kinds of micro content on the Glidden stuff, including lisafx from here.  I don't see that as particularly branding oneself around an image.  More just "happy painter examples".  There are different images on every can.  It isn't like every can has the exact same image.  So, if you see it somewhere else besides the paint can, I doubt people are going to be confused about anything, no big deal.

lisafx

« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2009, 18:10 »
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There's all kinds of micro content on the Glidden stuff, including lisafx from here.  .

Although I am delighted they used one of mine, I still haven't found it.  Maybe I should branch out from H. Depot and go check at Lowes, etc... ? 

« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2009, 18:35 »
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Hi Card Maverick,

 You wouldn't think a national brand would risk that chance to save a couple of dollars on a photo but I have just had many of my Micro images just used to launch a new Glidden paint campaign. I think they used 5 different shots. On their cans and paint swatches. I was pretty surprised. Still, our RM images are still our best returners, so far. :)

Best,
Jonathan

Wow, thats interesting. Maybe they thought the usage risk was low enough. I still wonder about the more "super niche" subjects though, stuff that would require buying from an RM agency in order to find what they really need. Lots of stuff in microstock is technically good enough, but all to often the content isn't right or the supply is just to small to choose from. Many images are hard to find due to amateur keywording, etc...

There's all kinds of micro content on the Glidden stuff, including lisafx from here.  I don't see that as particularly branding oneself around an image.  More just "happy painter examples".  There are different images on every can.  It isn't like every can has the exact same image.  So, if you see it somewhere else besides the paint can, I doubt people are going to be confused about anything, no big deal.

Thats a great observation. What I originally was referring too was more like the "coke bears" - that type of usage.

« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2009, 18:37 »
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Although I am delighted they used one of mine, I still haven't found it.  Maybe I should branch out from H. Depot and go check at Lowes, etc... ? 

I'm pretty sure it was HD.

lisafx

« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2009, 19:05 »
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Although I am delighted they used one of mine, I still haven't found it.  Maybe I should branch out from H. Depot and go check at Lowes, etc... ? 

I'm pretty sure it was HD.

Thanks Sean.  Maybe that particular campaign hasn't reached FL yet?  I will keep looking.  Gotta feed the ego of my most long-suffering model ;)

« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2009, 06:04 »
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Boy, Alamy is shutting down the talk in the forum quick...

http://www.alamy.com/forums/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=6141&p=3

RacePhoto

« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2009, 01:40 »
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Boy, Alamy is shutting down the talk in the forum quick...

http://www.alamy.com/forums/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=6141&p=3


The constant complainers can always go to the Yahoo site and write the same arguments over and over, until they are happy whiners.

As with a number of recent topics, the activity is no longer in the spirit of 'Ask the Forum' so we are closing this topic down. We will continue to provide clarification through the blog.

It's the Alamy forum, they can make any rules they want, and when they shut down the forums in April, restricting the postings to two subjects, Ask The Forum and QC Questions, that was the end of the line for some threads about pricing, collections, distribution, Etc. Also you will see that responses on the Blog are no longer shown. Same people would post message after message in both places whenever they got a bug up their butt about some new program. Most of the time, before it was instituted or explained. In other words, some people made their day by complaining about any change.

The threads about the new photo editor have the fair share of detractors. Those haven't been shut down.

Another thread that was nipped in the bud  ;D was titled Micro Fails and they shut it down. Locked - we don't need another thread arguing about micro.

Self moderation didn't work, (for the six people who do nothing but complain and start revolutions) now Alamy has to watch the forum and keep the monkeys in the barrel.  ;) You don't see people having their accounts locked or collections removed like some other sites. Do we?

On Topic, I like the new plan. Smaller prices for Websites is opening the door for more sales. Look at the sizes, $49 for 450 pixels? What's that? .33 megapixels? I'm all for it!
« Last Edit: August 27, 2009, 01:48 by RacePhoto »


« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2009, 02:10 »
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Just like the Getty web images Alamy have updated the blog for RM 'L' and aded time restrictions:

Quote from: Alamy Blog
Electronic uses:-

Corporate website (single placement / one design - duration up to 1 year)
Editorial website (single placement / one design - duration up to 1 year)
Electronic presentation (single placement / one design - duration up to 1 year)
Promotional email (up to 10,000 recipients, single placement / one design) duration 3 months)
One web advertisement (single placement / one design) duration 3 months)
David  :)

« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2009, 05:19 »
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Just like the Getty web images Alamy have updated the blog for RM 'L' and aded time restrictions:

Quote from: Alamy Blog
Electronic uses:-

Corporate website (single placement / one design - duration up to 1 year)
Editorial website (single placement / one design - duration up to 1 year)
Electronic presentation (single placement / one design - duration up to 1 year)
Promotional email (up to 10,000 recipients, single placement / one design) duration 3 months)
One web advertisement (single placement / one design) duration 3 months)
David  :)

They should have done this for RF images as well, to keep their contributors happy.


 

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