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« on: October 24, 2023, 14:45 »
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It is in the early stage of research but I think eventually every image out in the wild will be "poisoned" :-)
https://petapixel.com/2023/10/24/nightshade-data-poisoning-tool-helps-creatives-protect-art-from-ai/
https://gizmodo.com/nightshade-poisons-ai-art-generators-dall-e-1850951218

You can download this tool now if you are curious: https://glaze.cs.uchicago.edu/what-is-glaze.html


« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2023, 16:56 »
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It is in the early stage of research but I think eventually every image out in the wild will be "poisoned" :-)
https://petapixel.com/2023/10/24/nightshade-data-poisoning-tool-helps-creatives-protect-art-from-ai/
https://gizmodo.com/nightshade-poisons-ai-art-generators-dall-e-1850951218

You can download this tool now if you are curious: https://glaze.cs.uchicago.edu/what-is-glaze.html
cute approach, but highly unlikely:
  • billions of images already out there
  • no way to poison images at agencies
  • artists would have to poison thousands of their images
     

« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2023, 08:43 »
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no way to poison images at agencies
 

Really, why? Will they sue us? lol

i think it's not even possible to detect cloaking / poisoning on an image
« Last Edit: November 14, 2023, 09:02 by Thomas Vogel »

« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2023, 09:22 »
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no way to poison images at agencies
 

Really, why? Will they sue us? lol

i think it's not even possible to detect cloaking / poisoning on an image

I think what he means is that you can't poison images you already have on the agencies. You'd have to delete and re-upload. Not practical.

Annie2022

« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2023, 10:57 »
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no way to poison images at agencies
 

Really, why? Will they sue us? lol

i think it's not even possible to detect cloaking / poisoning on an image

I think what he means is that you can't poison images you already have on the agencies. You'd have to delete and re-upload. Not practical.

One possible scenario is that an agency could apply this to their whole database. For example, Getty is already in a lawsuit against an AI company for copyright infringement. If they protected their whole database, a contributor could go exclusive with them.

Just a thought.

(yes, I know, we used to be really angry with Getty for bad treatment of contributors. It would be funny if they ended up being our saviors ???)
« Last Edit: November 14, 2023, 11:00 by Annie2022 »

« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2023, 11:15 »
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I think what he means is that you can't poison images you already have on the agencies. You'd have to delete and re-upload. Not practical.

True, I got that wrong.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2023, 12:03 »
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It is in the early stage of research but I think eventually every image out in the wild will be "poisoned" :-)
https://petapixel.com/2023/10/24/nightshade-data-poisoning-tool-helps-creatives-protect-art-from-ai/
https://gizmodo.com/nightshade-poisons-ai-art-generators-dall-e-1850951218

You can download this tool now if you are curious: https://glaze.cs.uchicago.edu/what-is-glaze.html
cute approach, but highly unlikely:
  • billions of images already out there
  • no way to poison images at agencies
  • artists would have to poison thousands of their images
     

True but as new poisoned images are added, the dirty work will be done. It doesn't need to be 100%. Even 10% erroneous data could really mess up the machine learning.


« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2023, 05:11 »
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I have bad news: I have tried it and it is useless.

Maybe if you just want to use your images online in small size it might work, but in full size the altering is extremely visible, even at a low glaze setting. It just looks like it makes the quality of the image bad.

There is a lot of fragmentation that gets added to one-colored areas,  like this.  And they are really all over the picture.



And here are some side by side comparisons of unglazed and glazed full size crops:






The blurry parts are taken from the defocused backgrounds of images, that's where the glaze effect is the worst. Parts that are sharp and and in focus and are very small look okay-ish, but of course you rarely have a photo where everything is in focus and where you have no bigger areas with the same color. You can see that on the eye example. I cannot tell a difference with the dog fur around the eyes, it looks good, but the iris itself, where there is larger colored brown area looks weird.

Here is bigger sized example, but this one is already sized down 75% - and you can still notice the effect very much. First one unedited, second glazed.



There is no way any microstock agency would accept images of this quality.

These examples are from the recommended low glaze setting with little "protection". If you use the highest setting the images are completely butchered:




« Last Edit: November 15, 2023, 08:04 by Firn »

« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2023, 09:57 »
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That is bad news - I wasn't sure if it could make a difference because of the various powerful interests who want to just take whatever they find useful, but with that kind of visible damage to an image it's useless for anything but social media stuff.

Thanks very much for taking the time to explore this and report on what you observed.

« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2023, 10:22 »
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Thanks for the examples @firn

As far as I know, Nightshade hasn't been integrated into Glaze yet.

Glaze is designed for concealing your style (gives weird results when you use a cloaked image as prompt in midjourney), while Nightshade is intended for poisoning training data.

Nightshade should also be significantly less noticeable in the image. Let's hope so at least...

To me, the glazed examples look good enough to use it in addition to the waterwark i use in my online shop.

« Last Edit: November 15, 2023, 10:53 by MadMax »


 

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