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Title: November Stats
Post by: THP Creative on December 01, 2012, 01:48
(sorry leaf, couldn't remember which board this was meant to go in, feel free to move it)

Ok, so November is over and the stats are in.

SS - BME (just), good ED's and OD's
BS - BME - big surprise, not usually that great for me but did very well
123RF - BME
iStock - BME (plus of course PP still to come)

SE, CA, V, PD, FT, YAY all pretty good

Overall, November is a BME for me by a long shot, and thats with only a couple of bucks from Alamy sales (most months get a few decent sales there, but nothing much in Nov).

So very, very happy with that :)

How did you all go?
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: Poncke on December 01, 2012, 04:14
SS - BME
FT - BME
CanStockPhoto - tanked but a nice sale on the last day kind of made it ok but still sucks big time
DP - normal, no increase in sales although now over 600 images. Only 30c subs
PD - poor month
123 - normal, no increase in sales although now over 600 images
Alamy - f them
DT - f them
Zazzle - few sales
FAA - really picking up, 3 sales per month now bringing in 165$ a month on average
Pond5 -  no sales but small port, not sure what to think of them
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: Poncke on December 01, 2012, 04:15
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Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: aeonf on December 01, 2012, 04:37
Another BAD BAD month.
Over 5,000 images and exclusive at IS at 35% royalty.
1,750$ from 300 downloads.
-21% from last month
-1% from 11/11

Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: nicku on December 01, 2012, 05:00
Good month my 2nd BME overall...

SS - good month (-20% compared with Oct. that was my BME) but decent income
FT - very impressive month, BME.... + 40% compared with my last BME on FT
DT - average
123RF - Very good month ( my 2nd BME)

The pie slices:

SS - 60%
FT - 20%
DT - 10%
123RF - 8%

Others 2%
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: Microbius on December 01, 2012, 05:38
SS BME
IS BME (IS+TS with low TS estimate)
FL BME
DT BME
123 BME
CanS BME
BS BME
GL BME
Zazzle BME
YAY BME
My own site BME
PM BME
MP BME

CC down
SF down
DP just down from Oct which was BME
Veer low month
CreS down

So just a few low earners down, all the big boys BME

Overall BME by about $1500 more than Oct which turn was then BME by about $2000 over any previous month. Started 2006
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: rubyroo on December 01, 2012, 05:51
Overall another BME  ;D

Top four:

1. SS
2. iStock
3. DT
4. 123RF

Saw an improvement at FT, but still a low performer for me.

Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: ShadySue on December 01, 2012, 06:02
iS: Compared to Nov 11: dls down 25%; $$ down c11%
     Compared to Oct 12: dls 1 up; $$ down c9%
     Compared to Nov 08 (BME): dls down >75%, $$ down 35%
This week was the best week of the month, and if it was mid-Oct, I'd be happy.
My BMY is February (!)

Alamy (RM) 5 sales, up from last year  ;D
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: gostwyck on December 01, 2012, 07:08
Good month, up nearly 18% compared to Nov 2011, assuming PP earnings same as last month.

BME at SS and an increase of 38% (from Nov 2011). Interestingly subs accounted for only 42% of the month's total as ODs and SODs continue to grow rapidly.

IS was 18% down. DT was 14% down and FT 17% down. BigStock was 9% up.

It's beginning to look like there's only one game in town nowadays.
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: pixmicro on December 01, 2012, 07:27
Hello All

BME for me !
Around 850 illustrations
first time I reach the 2000$ without the istock pp's

istock : BME
SS : BME (1st time i reach the 500$ in a month with just one EL)
Fotolia : BME (1st time I reach the 150 $/month)
Veer : BME (1st time i reach the 100$/month)
All in one a very good month, more than october (which was 31 days)

CanStockPhoto/DT : irregular earnings

Stockfresh is getting better little step by little step. Hope it 's going to increase still

Very happy !!
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: Bauman on December 01, 2012, 07:30
Good, (last 15 days excellent), my 2nd BME.

11 months of Microstock

Avg port 349 img (last month +10,6%)

SS 100% -> BME
FT 71% -> BME (1 EL)
IS 28%
DT 20%
123 13%
DP 7%
PD 4%
BS 1%

8 agencies, 2 BME.
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: Dan on December 01, 2012, 07:52
     Funny  thing  -  had  only  2  sales.  One  on  1st  (Bigstock  and  one  on  30th.  123rf).  Both  went  for  lowly  .50. 
     I  just  think  it's  funny  that  one  sold  on  first  day  of  month  and  one   sold  on  last  day   of  month.
     123RF  is  catchng  uo  to  DT   in  number  of  sales  but  lagging  behind  in  royalites.
That  was  how  Novenber  went.
     I  goofed  only  1  sale  in  Nov.  the  other  was  in  Oct.  Gotta  keep  better  records.
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: ClaridgeJ on December 01, 2012, 09:32
RM.  fantastic month, close to a, 5-figured amount. ( probably lots of sales for annuals). plus,  2, all out copy sales 4K a piece.

IS. not BME but way up 50%
DT.  BME. up 15%

FT. nope!  quitting soon.

SS.  down 15% from Oct.

so overall, not BME but thanks to the copy sales and RM, not far from it.


Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: Anyka on December 01, 2012, 09:35
I had another overall BME (October too), but weird enough, not 1 of my 11 sites had a BME.  My overall BME was thanks to great sales at SS, 123rf and ... Istock.  Istock (I added the October figure for partner sales) went up with 50% compared to November 2011.  IS was still 25% below my last BME though.
 
Going down compared to Nov. 2011 :   Dreamstime 11%, Fotolia 5% and Rodeo 20%.
 
Interesting :  November shows the exact same trend for the whole year 2012 :  good growth for SS, 123rf and Istock, downhill for DST, FT and Rodeo, the rest is status quo (I only started with DP end of 2011, so no comparison possible).
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: cathyslife on December 01, 2012, 09:39
November was my second highest month this year at SS, with March being the biggest (all of those ELs that hit). Bigstock sales continue to grow, but slowly. I cancelled my account at Stockfresh, haven't even reached a payout in 1+ year. A good portion of my port is now outdated and below today's standards, so I can't really blame Stockfresh for that, but I don't think many others are doing well there either, so...
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: KB on December 01, 2012, 11:12
iStock exclusive:

Nov vs Oct: $s down 19%, DLs down 17%.
2012 vs 2011: $s down 1%, DLs down 30% (portfolio size +47%)
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: jm on December 01, 2012, 12:35
November was my BME by a narrow margin.
Good News: Big Stock is still low earner but sales are really picking up last three months. I reached payout at SF. BME at Pixmac. Great is that my laziness (number of images that I upload decreased by 85% compared to previous year) has no influence on earnings.

SS 35%
FT 16
123 6
DT 5
iS 5
Can 3
DP 2
BS 2
Veer 2

Zazzle 6

& others
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: JPSDK on December 01, 2012, 12:42
Contributor since 2007.
Mature port.
November was average.
Same income as last year or last month.
SS down a bit
FOT half weak
DT dead
Istock low
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on December 01, 2012, 13:49
What a wonderful month!

I may be just shy of an overall BME - won't know until I see the PP numbers later in the month. As the iStock PP is now the third highest earner (after SS and IS) it can make a difference. My BME was November 2010 as an IS exclusive and even if I'm shy, it won't be much.

November was up 20% over Oct 2012 (which was up 22% over Sept) and up 55% over Nov 2011

SS had a BME (by 10% over Oct 2012) and was up 32% over Nov 2011. This was in spite of relatively fewer ELs than October, but very strong on demand sales. Downloads were up 27% over Nov 2011 - what that says is that even though revenue per download is increasing, so are downloads. So far anyway, they're avoiding the trap IS fell into - increasing prices so much you lose buyers and have to offset that with ever increasing prices.

IS could never be a BME after having been exclusive, but it was at least up 15% from Oct 2012 (which was up from the month before, but it had fallen so far into the toilet that this was just climbing out a bit more) and up 17% from Nov 2011

DT had a best month since I returned in June 2011, but not a BME - that was still in Nov 2006! RPD then was about half what it was Nov 2012 but there was more total money (and I think on a smaller portfolio, but I don't keep track of that number; I think it was certainly a less salable portfolio then). DT was up 20% over Oct 2012 and Nov 2011

123rf had a BME, up 29% from Oct 2012 - and I haven't uploaded there since they announced their wretched RC scheme

CanStock had a BME, up 156% from Oct 2012, largely because of better distribution DLs and one EL

BigStock had a best month since returning June 2011, up 31% over Oct 2012 with DLs doubling  (but way, way short of the earlier sales levels they had; this was 1/5 of the BME in Nov 2007)

Veer was up 49% over Oct 2012, PhotoDune was up 57% over Oct 2012 on regular sales, plus I had a photo in the holiday bundle which added a nice bonus (it didn't sell as well as they'd predicted though, so it was a little disappointing).

Stockfresh might as well shut up shop - $2.50 on 2 sales for the whole month. They should sell their code to people who want to build a stock site as I can't see any other use for them. Pocketstock sold one image for a grand total of 31 cents royalty to me! Don't think they're going to rescue us from the greedy agencies :J) WarmPicture had a good month, although it's still progressing slowly - percentages don't really matter much when things are sporadic.

Alamy managed to be about equivalent to 123rf with just one big sale and 3 novel use.
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: ShadySue on December 01, 2012, 13:52
Well done Jo Ann, way to go!
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: rubyroo on December 01, 2012, 13:53
Yes, brilliant Jo Ann!  Congrats on a great month.  Really happy for you.  :)
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: lisafx on December 01, 2012, 13:54
Decent month, but not for a November.  Glad to hear the positive reports for others.  Not sure why my numbers are stagnant.  May be because I was more reliant on Istock income than most independents, and Istock is in the tank. 
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: WarrenPrice on December 01, 2012, 14:06
Congrats JoAnn, very encouraging.
But, I'm not.  My month that started strongly faded.
BS and DT were up -- especially DT -- but SS let me down.

Nearly 3 months of anticipation and Can Stock still hasn't sold an image for me.   :-\

Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: cascoly on December 01, 2012, 14:22
after a slow start, nov ended up 3rd BME [other 2 also coming in past year]

more encouraging is that the slope of my running average has increased, meaning increasing overall sales compared with last year [50% better than equiv 3 mo last year]
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: Poncke on December 01, 2012, 14:42
Congrats JoAnn, very encouraging.
But, I'm not.  My month that started strongly faded.
BS and DT were up -- especially DT -- but SS let me down.

Nearly 3 months of anticipation and Can Stock still hasn't sold an image for me.   :-\
Your photos are probably overqualified for CanStockPhoto. Submit crapstock and your sales will fly  ;)
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on December 01, 2012, 14:50
Congrats JoAnn, very encouraging.
But, I'm not.  My month that started strongly faded.
BS and DT were up -- especially DT -- but SS let me down.

Nearly 3 months of anticipation and Can Stock still hasn't sold an image for me.   :-\
Your photos are probably overqualified for CanStockPhoto. Submit crapstock and your sales will fly  ;)

Ha!

As I can make sense of it, it appears that illustrators do best at CanStock. I really like Duncan and what he's done over the years, but it's a shame they can't be at the top of the middle tier.

And thanks for the congratulations. I think my conclusion is that, for me anyway, leaving exclusivity was a good move. When I look at the November stats thread on IS, it's painful to read. That could have been me...
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: gostwyck on December 01, 2012, 15:10
I think my conclusion is that, for me anyway, leaving exclusivity was a good move. When I look at the November stats thread on IS, it's painful to read. That could have been me...

Indeed! Having said that it is possible that we might still be making more money as exclusives ... although the future trend is certainly worrying. I'm glad I don't have that decision to make anyway.

Congratulations on your (likely) BME and great detailed write-up.
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: sgoodwin4813 on December 01, 2012, 15:49
Overall 2nd BME (after February).  BMEs on SS and CanStock, 2nd BME on 123.  DT and FT just over their averages for the year, others below average.  Had a sale on featurepics for $2 commission, had one on Alamy for $1 and after 50% commission netted me 50 cents.  First half of the month was great and trailed off the past 10 days so expecting December to be slow.
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: Elenathewise on December 01, 2012, 15:55
Submitting to microstock agencies since 2005, over 10,000 images in portfolio.

Comparing to November 2011:

Shutterstock - down 8%
Istockphoto -  up 3%
Fotolia - down 48 (!) %
Dreamstime - down 10%
123rf - up 16%
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: tab62 on December 01, 2012, 16:13
I might take a part time job at the Golden Arches (McDonald's) to supplement my income  :(


Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: dbvirago on December 01, 2012, 16:33
Another BME at SS and a BME overall, beating my last BME from way back in November on '09 - and that had income from StockXpert, so this is with one less agency.
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: crowman on December 01, 2012, 16:39
Small time exc. contributor to iStock:

Nov: 2011 59 dls 
Nov: 2012   9 dls

Through Nov 2012 seeing a 13 percent reduction in $$ compared to 2011

best match $$ 2012: March
best match $$ 2011: June

best match dls 2012: Jan
best match dls 2011: Sep

Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: Mantis on December 01, 2012, 17:30
Congrats JoAnn, very encouraging.
But, I'm not.  My month that started strongly faded.
BS and DT were up -- especially DT -- but SS let me down.

Nearly 3 months of anticipation and Can Stock still hasn't sold an image for me.   :-\
Your photos are probably overqualified for CanStockPhoto. Submit crapstock and your sales will fly  ;)

Ha!

As I can make sense of it, it appears that illustrators do best at CanStock. I really like Duncan and what he's done over the years, but it's a shame they can't be at the top of the middle tier.

And thanks for the congratulations. I think my conclusion is that, for me anyway, leaving exclusivity was a good move. When I look at the November stats thread on IS, it's painful to read. That could have been me...

Do you think that the traction you're experiencing is simply related to your transition? Lisafx is not reporting great growth in the face a great uploads, but you are. I suspect that you're excellent work is starting to filter through all of the unknowns and gaining steam.  Happy for you.
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: leaf on December 01, 2012, 17:41
Submitting to microstock agencies since 2005, over 10,000 images in portfolio.

Comparing to November 2011:

Shutterstock - down 8%
Istockphoto -  up 3%
Fotolia - down 48 (!) %
Dreamstime - down 10%
123rf - up 16%

That Fotolia drop really is shocking.. even if we have been discussing it for the last few months in several threads.  Also surprising that Shutterstock is down as much as it is.  How much has your portfolio increased since 2011?

I don't have my numbers on this computer to report my stats - I'll do so on Monday morning.
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on December 01, 2012, 17:50
...Do you think that the traction you're experiencing is simply related to your transition? Lisafx is not reporting great growth in the face a great uploads, but you are. I suspect that you're excellent work is starting to filter through all of the unknowns and gaining steam.  Happy for you.

I think that Lisa has always done so much better than me - particularly at iStock - that she has a lot more to lose. She is also at FT which has apparently hammered Emeralds of late. Her portfolio is much larger and the appeal of her hunky husband and several of the older couples she shoots is huge. My portfolio is much more of a niche, and these days it's what I feel like doing (perhaps if sales keep growing I'll consider returning to consciously trying to be more commercial).

I used to describe myself (while exclusive) as part of the iStock middle class. I wasn't in the stratosphere with Sean, Lise Gagne, Abu, Amanda Rhodes, etc. but I have done better than the huge pool of contributors who never really get a decent size portfolio going.

In other words, it's much easier for me to do better in income than it is for Lisa, just as a startup can increase its revenue by 50% more easily than Apple can :)

And thanks for the compliment on my work...
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: qwerty on December 01, 2012, 18:40
Depending on PP from Istock its looking like BME for me.

SS was 50% higher than average and a good months on DT.

If I have a good december I might beat last years earnings. I had a terrible September for what ever reason.

Fotolia has fallen off the end of the earth. Only 2% of my monthly earnings,
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: steheap on December 01, 2012, 22:51
Great month for me - easily a BME with total earnings over 10% more than the previous best (October 2012). I ended the month with $2216, helped by a regular set of sales, four EDs and a $70 single sale on Shutterstock, solid sales on iStock, some nice big sales on Alamy, and a pretty good month on most of the other sites. I now have 3300 images on Shutterstock and its interesting to note that only 10 months ago in January I ended up with $400 in sales on that site - $970 this month. As usual, more graphs on my blog, but here are the headlines:
(http://www.backyardsilver.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/GrowthEarningsNov12.png)
(http://www.backyardsilver.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/FilesSiteNov12.png)

Lets hope that December continues this run - that will make for a fantastic 2012 for me.

Steve
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: Mellimage on December 02, 2012, 04:48
Decent month. Not spectacular, not bad either.
Noteworthy - I had a BME at 123rf. Even though it is all small numbers. 123rf was not too far off from DT and FT - but I have only half the images on 123rf compared to DT and especially FT.
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: fotoVoyager on December 02, 2012, 07:10
iStock exclusive.

Compared to previous Novembers:

2011: $ -33% DL -47%

2010: $ -50% DL -70%

2009: $ -33% DL -78%

2008: $ -36% DL -86%
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: Mantis on December 02, 2012, 08:24
Every month my IS portion of sales drops.  PP goes up "just" enough for me to stay at "the norm"  The norm has been for the last four years at least.  I hate to say it but PP has saved my can from recurring revenue dump every month.  November was despicable from an IS standpoint.  SS up by $75 over best month so BME there.  All other sites (FT, DP, PD, CanStockPhoto, BigStock, SF, Alamy, 123) all avg, no BME's here.
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: PaulieWalnuts on December 02, 2012, 08:29
Every month my IS portion of sales drops.  PP goes up "just" enough for me to stay at "the norm"  The norm has been for the last four years at least.  I hate to say it but PP has saved my can from recurring revenue dump every month.  November was despicable from an IS standpoint.  SS up by $75 over best month so BME there.  All other sites (FT, DP, PD, CanStockPhoto, BigStock, SF, Alamy, 123) all avg, no BME's here.

Maybe PP is going up because it's the reason regular sales are going down.
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: Mantis on December 02, 2012, 08:39
Every month my IS portion of sales drops.  PP goes up "just" enough for me to stay at "the norm"  The norm has been for the last four years at least.  I hate to say it but PP has saved my can from recurring revenue dump every month.  November was despicable from an IS standpoint.  SS up by $75 over best month so BME there.  All other sites (FT, DP, PD, CanStockPhoto, BigStock, SF, Alamy, 123) all avg, no BME's here.

Maybe PP is going up because it's the reason regular sales are going down.

That thought has crossed my mind many times, although I have no proof. I can only infer, but would be interested to hear others' perspectives. I think I recall hearing other MSG'rs saying something along these same lines.
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: sobm on December 02, 2012, 08:44
why my regular sales and pp are all going down ?lol ;D
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: gostwyck on December 02, 2012, 08:48
iStock exclusive.

Compared to previous Novembers:

2011: $ -33% DL -47%

2010: $ -50% DL -70%

2009: $ -33% DL -78%

2008: $ -36% DL -86%

I was staggered to see you were 36% down on 2008 revenue ... then I checked my own numbers and found I too was down 17% on IS compared with Nov 2008. 

That means that all the increases in credit prices, image prices, the introduction of the Exclusive collection, Vetta, Agency, E+, etc, etc ... plus you have probably more than doubled the size of your portfolio since then ... has resulted in a significant drop in income. That's insane.
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: leaf on December 02, 2012, 10:09
iStock exclusive.

Compared to previous Novembers:

2011: $ -33% DL -47%

2010: $ -50% DL -70%

2009: $ -33% DL -78%

2008: $ -36% DL -86%

I was staggered to see you were 36% down on 2008 revenue ... then I checked my own numbers and found I too was down 17% on IS compared with Nov 2008. 

That means that all the increases in credit prices, image prices, the introduction of the Exclusive collection, Vetta, Agency, E+, etc, etc ... plus you have probably more than doubled the size of your portfolio since then ... has resulted in a significant drop in income. That's insane.

Agreed. Very disturbing numbers in regards to istocks longevity. I haven't checked but I'm guessing I'm currently making at least 10x my 2008 income on shutterstock.
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: fotoVoyager on December 02, 2012, 12:43
The only redeeming feature in these numbers is that despite downloads dropping by 86%, mostly I imagine because of the huge growth of libraries since then, they've managed to limit dollar losses to 36% because of the increased prices and collection diversification.

Not that I'm defending them; someone, somewhere there is making greedy, even immoral business decisions, but their approach of raising prices has saved me and others from even worse times.
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: gostwyck on December 02, 2012, 13:15
The only redeeming feature in these numbers is that despite downloads dropping by 86%, mostly I imagine because of the huge growth of libraries since then, they've managed to limit dollar losses to 36% because of the increased prices and collection diversification.

Not that I'm defending them; someone, somewhere there is making greedy, even immoral business decisions, but their approach of raising prices has saved me and others from even worse times.

It's quite a different picture, if you'll pardon the pun, at Shutterstock. My downloads there last month were 37% higher than Nov 2008, despite the even larger increase in the library at SS. My income at SS last month was 127% higher than in Nov 2008.

SS haven't increased prices since May 2008, if I remember correctly (or lowered commissions either, come to think of it), so it shows that there is more than one way to grow a business. Or maybe not. We don't actually know if iStock have grown their business since Nov 2008. Maybe, if IS hadn't increased prices and added all those expensive 'collections', you might now be earning a lot more money from many more sales __ just like contributors at SS.

One thing that I am absolutely certain of now is that your money, as an exclusive, is on the losing horse. I believe that iStock's policies of ever-increasing prices and ever-reducing commissions by stealth (via the RC system) can only accelerate the demise of their business.
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: leaf on December 02, 2012, 14:52
The only redeeming feature in these numbers is that despite downloads dropping by 86%, mostly I imagine because of the huge growth of libraries since then, they've managed to limit dollar losses to 36% because of the increased prices and collection diversification.

Not that I'm defending them; someone, somewhere there is making greedy, even immoral business decisions, but their approach of raising prices has saved me and others from even worse times.

It's quite a different picture, if you'll pardon the pun, at Shutterstock. My downloads there last month were 37% higher than Nov 2008, despite the even larger increase in the library at SS. My income at SS last month was 127% higher than in Nov 2008.

SS haven't increased prices since May 2008, if I remember correctly (or lowered commissions either, come to think of it), so it shows that there is more than one way to grow a business. Or maybe not. We don't actually know if iStock have grown their business since Nov 2008. Maybe, if IS hadn't increased prices and added all those expensive 'collections', you might now be earning a lot more money from many more sales __ just like contributors at SS.

One thing that I am absolutely certain of now is that your money, as an exclusive, is on the losing horse. I believe that iStock's policies of ever-increasing prices and ever-reducing commissions by stealth (via the RC system) can only accelerate the demise of their business.

well stated
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: Poncke on December 02, 2012, 15:25
SS - BME
FT - BME
CanStockPhoto - tanked but a nice sale on the last day kind of made it ok but still sucks big time
DP - BME normal, no increase in sales although now over 600 images. Only 30c subs
PD - poor month
123 - BME normal, no increase in sales although now over 600 images
Alamy - f them
DT - f them
Zazzle - few sales
FAA - really picking up, 3 sales per month now bringing in 165$ a month on average
Pond5 -  no sales but small port, not sure what to think of them

Actually, after doing the admin, 123 and DP BME in $$ as well. I had a overall BME in $$ and DLs considering only stock. Including FAA then October was my overall BME in $$.

What does concern me is that the increase of DLs has stagnated. Overall only 4 more DLs compared to October. SS BME $$ but 8 DLs down compared to October. Although the money was BME I dont like the fact that I didnt get more DLs then October. I started in March 2012 so stagnating figures after only 8 months doesnt look good.

I need to figure out why this is happening, although I believe across the board many people are agreeing November wasnt as good as it normally would perform.

Portfolio of 600-700
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: fotoVoyager on December 02, 2012, 15:30
The only redeeming feature in these numbers is that despite downloads dropping by 86%, mostly I imagine because of the huge growth of libraries since then, they've managed to limit dollar losses to 36% because of the increased prices and collection diversification.

Not that I'm defending them; someone, somewhere there is making greedy, even immoral business decisions, but their approach of raising prices has saved me and others from even worse times.

It's quite a different picture, if you'll pardon the pun, at Shutterstock. My downloads there last month were 37% higher than Nov 2008, despite the even larger increase in the library at SS. My income at SS last month was 127% higher than in Nov 2008.

SS haven't increased prices since May 2008, if I remember correctly (or lowered commissions either, come to think of it), so it shows that there is more than one way to grow a business. Or maybe not. We don't actually know if iStock have grown their business since Nov 2008. Maybe, if IS hadn't increased prices and added all those expensive 'collections', you might now be earning a lot more money from many more sales __ just like contributors at SS.

One thing that I am absolutely certain of now is that your money, as an exclusive, is on the losing horse. I believe that iStock's policies of ever-increasing prices and ever-reducing commissions by stealth (via the RC system) can only accelerate the demise of their business.

There's no doubt I made a mistake putting all my eggs in one basket, but hindsight is a wonderful thing. It could have gone differently. I coulda beena contender.

Ah well, the beauty of this business is I still own 10,000 stock photos that I'm free to put anywhere I want. There's always next year.
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: RacePhoto on December 02, 2012, 15:48
SS was just fine, up to the usual average month, which now varies a few dollars, month after month. And I'm happy with that. Used to be 50/50 with IS now SS is 3-4 times all the rest together.

The rest of the places?

(http://s5.postimage.org/iziu07trb/train_wreck_how_were_sales.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
Sales on the other sites. (http://postimage.org/)
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: pancaketom on December 02, 2012, 17:03
A pretty average month for this year, (still up compared to 2011), but down compared to my Oct BME (the Alamy drop pretty much covers the difference)

Here are my earners in order of $. There are more down at the bottom I didn't bother to rank.

SS was down on total DL, but close to a BME.
Alamy was number 2
DT was pretty weak
123RF
Veer
CanStockPhoto
BigStock
FP

Things actually picked up at Stockfresh for me (still very low) and I had my first 2 sales at Pond5.



Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: Mantis on December 02, 2012, 17:41
SS was just fine, up to the usual average month, which now varies a few dollars, month after month. And I'm happy with that. Used to be 50/50 with IS now SS is 3-4 times all the rest together.

The rest of the places?

([url]http://s5.postimage.org/iziu07trb/train_wreck_how_were_sales.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/[/url])
Sales on the other sites. ([url]http://postimage.org/[/url])


That's a good one, Mr. Race.
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: Elenathewise on December 02, 2012, 18:24
Submitting to microstock agencies since 2005, over 10,000 images in portfolio.

Comparing to November 2011:

Shutterstock - down 8%
Istockphoto -  up 3%
Fotolia - down 48 (!) %
Dreamstime - down 10%
123rf - up 16%

That Fotolia drop really is shocking.. even if we have been discussing it for the last few months in several threads.  Also surprising that Shutterstock is down as much as it is.  How much has your portfolio increased since 2011?

I don't have my numbers on this computer to report my stats - I'll do so on Monday morning.

I haven't increased my micro portfolio much since last year, I think less than 500 images went to micros... been testing the macro market a bit (and I am not impressed with returns so far).  But with Shutterstock I always had some weird dynamics - I was stuck at certain level of income for a couple of years despite of submitting a lot of new content, then - BAM! it jumped to almost double that, and now it's stuck again... 8% down on my portfolio size can be just normal fluctuations; to see a real increase I need to produce a few thousands of images a year...  :o it's easy to see a 50% increase when you double your portfolio of 200 images.... try that with 10,000:) 
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: sdeva on December 02, 2012, 22:10
BME by far mainly due to payouts from all the 10 sites I actively contribute to (except GL which is a new add on for me and Stockphotomedia where I stopped uploading long time ago since they just didn't seem to be able to sell).  Payout came from all the others including SS, Istock, FT, DT, Canstock, Bigstock, 123RF, PD, Veer and Alamy.  Its great to have Alamy contribution because they usually generate high RPD sales.. unfortunately they've sold nothing for me since about a month now ... bummer!  SS tops my rankings with steady payouts month over month - how I love them!!
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: WebSubstance on December 02, 2012, 23:20

There's no doubt I made a mistake putting all my eggs in one basket, but hindsight is a wonderful thing. It could have gone differently. I coulda beena contender.

Ah well, the beauty of this business is I still own 10,000 stock photos that I'm free to put anywhere I want. There's always next year.

You, sir, have an amazing portfolio.
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: BCritchley on December 03, 2012, 09:23
     
     I  goofed  only  1  sale  in  Nov.  the  other  was  in  Oct.  Gotta  keep  better  records.

How's the spreadsheet coming along?
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: oboy on December 03, 2012, 09:37
Down 7% from last month, and 18% up compared to last year November. 4 best were: Shutterstock, DepositPhotos, Zazzle, Fotolia

more at: http://microstockinfos.blogspot.com/2012/12/stock-photography-sales-statistic.html (http://microstockinfos.blogspot.com/2012/12/stock-photography-sales-statistic.html)

(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u97/hlehnerer/SalesStat/201211px590.jpg)

(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u97/hlehnerer/SalesStat/201211total590px.jpg)

(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u97/hlehnerer/SalesStat/201211top590px.jpg)
(This statistic include referral earning at the different agencies)
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: cthoman on December 03, 2012, 10:23
Submitting to microstock agencies since 2005, over 10,000 images in portfolio.

Comparing to November 2011:

Shutterstock - down 8%
Istockphoto -  up 3%
Fotolia - down 48 (!) %
Dreamstime - down 10%
123rf - up 16%

That Fotolia drop really is shocking.. even if we have been discussing it for the last few months in several threads.  Also surprising that Shutterstock is down as much as it is.  How much has your portfolio increased since 2011?

I don't have my numbers on this computer to report my stats - I'll do so on Monday morning.

I haven't increased my micro portfolio much since last year, I think less than 500 images went to micros... been testing the macro market a bit (and I am not impressed with returns so far).  But with Shutterstock I always had some weird dynamics - I was stuck at certain level of income for a couple of years despite of submitting a lot of new content, then - BAM! it jumped to almost double that, and now it's stuck again... 8% down on my portfolio size can be just normal fluctuations; to see a real increase I need to produce a few thousands of images a year...  :o it's easy to see a 50% increase when you double your portfolio of 200 images.... try that with 10,000:)

I hear you. My income went flat (despite uploading) and hit the wall at SS a couple of years ago, so I decided to focus elsewhere too. This year, I had no uploading, and I can definitely see it slowly sinking there.
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: fotoVoyager on December 03, 2012, 15:42

There's no doubt I made a mistake putting all my eggs in one basket, but hindsight is a wonderful thing. It could have gone differently. I coulda beena contender.

Ah well, the beauty of this business is I still own 10,000 stock photos that I'm free to put anywhere I want. There's always next year.

You, sir, have an amazing portfolio.

Thank you very much!
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: Mantis on December 03, 2012, 19:43

There's no doubt I made a mistake putting all my eggs in one basket, but hindsight is a wonderful thing. It could have gone differently. I coulda beena contender.

Ah well, the beauty of this business is I still own 10,000 stock photos that I'm free to put anywhere I want. There's always next year.

You, sir, have an amazing portfolio.

I second that one!
Title: Re: November Stats
Post by: luissantos84 on December 03, 2012, 20:48
- from October 2012 (BME) (down 26%)
- from November 2011 (up 14%)
- 43 months of stock
- 63 new uploads in November (SS)
- SS with 4015 pictures (370 editorial)
- traditional top 5 - 69.6% (SS, IS, FT, 123RF, DT) (Oct 67.5%)

Nov % - Oct % - last month $ %

TOP 7 - 78.5% (74.7%)

SS 40% (42.4%) (down 24%) (Nov - 0 EL + 1 SOD = 30$) (Oct - 2 EL + 7 SOD = 139.13$)
IS 10.1% (8.8%) (down 53.4%) (8 months with no new uploads)
FT 8.2% (5%) (up 30.7%) (2 EL)
123RF 7.2% (8%) (down 26.6%) (down to 2 figures)
DP 5% (3%) (up 36.7%) (BME) (1st time > 50$)
DT 4% (3.3%) (down 1.5%) (May 69$ (BME), Jun 35$, Jul 35$, Aug 39$, Sep 34$, Oct 47$, Nov 46$)
ISIGN 4% (4.2%) (down 23.2%)

MIDDLE - 15.6% (18%)

XX 2.2% (2.1%)
Z 2.1% (8.6%) (down 80%) (after a BME is terribly down, a very unusual month)
XZ 2.1% (1.6%)
XY 2.1% (2.1%)
PD 2% (1.3%)
BigStock 1.6% (1.1%)
Alamy 1.4% (0%)
V 1.1% (0.9%)
CanStockPhoto 1% (0.3%)

LOW - 5.9% (7.3%)
(12 agencies all below 1% each)