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Author Topic: That time of the month - Percentages for July  (Read 28191 times)

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« on: August 01, 2010, 05:13 »
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The summer slump continued for me with the total for last month being 6% down compared to July 09, basically the same as May & June. The percentages for each agency are as follows (with 09);

IS    35.3  (39.5)
SS   26.5  (22.3)
FT   25.1  (17.7)
DT   9.2   (13.2)
BS   2.8   (1.8 )

All agencies seem to be affected fairly equally by the apparent reduced demand although, over the year, FT continue to grow their market share whilst DT falls ever further behind. Earnings at DT were down 34% compared to July 09 whilst earnings at FT were up 35% over the same period.

Interesting to see that SS appear to have strengthened their market share, despite the competition from TS. Istock on the other hand have slipped a little perhaps due to the price increases and/or because they've been directing volume customers to TS.
« Last Edit: August 01, 2010, 05:19 by gostwyck »


« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2010, 10:28 »
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I've dropped out of these types of topics for psychological reasons. Much too depressing to dwell upon.

« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2010, 10:34 »
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It's my first month as an exclusive at IS and I'm happy so far. My july earning is better than what I had hoped for. I did not have time to submit a lot of photo (3rd baby is due this week) but my revenues on IS were more than 3 times what they were in june for about the same number of sales. My total earnings are on par with what I had in april and may this year when I was still with all the major agencies but it's at 65% of what I made in july 09. The biggest difference is my RPD who shot up to 3.41$.

« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2010, 12:52 »
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I'm not going to give individual stats, but here's the high level overview:

My overall earnings for July 2010 were down 60% from July 2009, despite having increased my portfolio size by about 30%. Compared to July of 2008, I am down 70%.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out where this is going. My days in this business are numbered, whether I like it or not.

« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2010, 12:57 »
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-30% from previous month...

« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2010, 13:38 »
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I am small peanuts so maybe it don't count , but for me;;

Shutterstock was consistent 3 months same earnings.
IStock was second best
Fotolia was a big surprise after many months no sales to come in with one Extended Licence .
Dreamstime was consistent although I still only get downloads for my oldest stuff.
I wonder whether it is going to make any difference if I stop giving them new stuff because for many months no downloads for the new stuff.

The amazing thing is for Shutterstock, even though I make so little por download
my earning is now as much as what I earn for the others. Even though for the others I have been with them for many many many more months with many many
more pictures in my portfolio.
 Shutterstock I am only 3 months old and tiny portfolio.

But cash per download is still Istock the best.
But this month Fotolia pay the best due to Ext Lic.
But dreamstime still made me most money. I wonder if I go exclusive I make more with them. But I like Shutterstock and Istock too, but Istock is too diificult
to catch up on submission because Shutterstock is no limit.

Thank you for chance to my view :)

« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2010, 16:39 »
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3rd best month overall. Not bad for summer :)

IS - 39%
SS - 25%
DT - 14%
FT - 8%
Veer - 8%
CanStockPhoto - 2%
123RF - 2%
BS - 2%

« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2010, 18:49 »
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Small fish alert (+- 300imgs).
SS has been doing exceptionally well, close to BME.
DT nicely on track.
iS disastrous, RPI until march was over $3, last months it slumped down with this month being a new low: around $1.

« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2010, 18:54 »
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I did not have time to submit a lot of photo (3rd baby is due this week) but my revenues on IS were more than 3 times what they were in june for about the same number of sales.
A very valuable piece of information that deserves a heart. Good luck with the new little photographer  ;)
(don't be as sick as me to smuggle a Nikon with strobes into the delivery room).

vonkara

« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2010, 20:39 »
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-25% compared to last month, If I don't count the EL's

-60% compared to my 2 first months average as exclusive (which was February and March)


Now I challenge anyone to beat that...

« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2010, 23:24 »
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July was down 13% vs. June and down 28% vs. July 09.  Not good.

« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2010, 01:17 »
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-25% compared to last month, If I don't count the EL's

-60% compared to my 2 first months average as exclusive (which was February and March)


Now I challenge anyone to beat that...

Out of curiosity are the %s based on DLS or $$? Is the -60% also including ELs?

Are you finding that you have more EL downloads as an exclusive compared to previously?


For this month my stats are pretty meaningless seeing as I took up exclusivity around about the 22nd. That resulted in an overall BME in $$ terms on Istock, but overall sales numbers seem slightly lower so far. 

vonkara

« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2010, 02:34 »
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-25% compared to last month, If I don't count the EL's

-60% compared to my 2 first months average as exclusive (which was February and March)

Out of curiosity are the %s based on DLS or $$? Is the -60% also including ELs?

Are you finding that you have more EL downloads as an exclusive compared to previously?


For this month my stats are pretty meaningless seeing as I took up exclusivity around about the 22nd. That resulted in an overall BME in $$ terms on Istock, but overall sales numbers seem slightly lower so far.  

EL's excluded and in term of earning. Downloads are a little more down than earnings, since I included my files in Exclusive+ after March

« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2010, 02:35 »
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10% increase from last month in sales overall.

Gains were from continuous uploading at SS which accounts for 50% of total sales. IS stable, but FT and DT down. DT showing the worst continued trend. 123 missed 2nd place off IS by 1 cent.

Al''s well.

« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2010, 07:14 »
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Period_______SS___DT___IS___FT___Total___Total-DT___
Jul 10-09+36-35+56+28+12+39
LaQ 10-09+28-41+25+37+02+29
% share Jul1045212014100-
% share Jul0937361413100-
Portsize (N)10511136566587--

Earnings ($) as % difference over "period".
Period: July 2010-2009, Last Quarter (LaQ) (July+June+May) 2010-2009.
Sites with < 25$/mo not considered.
Formula %: (($@10-$@09) / $@09) * 100

Personal conclusion: DT is losing grip big time, the other 3 of the FabFour are doing OK if you keep uploading steadily. IS is flattered by 25% port increase over the past year + high AR (cam upgrade >5DII).

Now I'm waiting for Lisa...  ;)
« Last Edit: August 02, 2010, 08:08 by FD-regular »

lisafx

« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2010, 11:52 »
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Now I'm waiting for Lisa...  ;)

LOL.  I am with LouOats.  If I don't stop keeping track of these stats I run the risk of serious psychological damage  :'(
                        June'10    July'09
   ISP   36%    -15%       -25%
   SS   18%    -3 %        -2%
   DT   13%    -7%         -13%
   Fot   20%    -9%         -5%
   BigStock   5%      +8%        +23%
   123   2%      -7%         -18%
   Crest   0%                     -49%
   CanStockPhoto   2%     -3%         -38%
   Almy   4%      +11%       =

Overall revenues are down 8% from last month, continuing a 3 month decline, and down 21% from last year. Portfolio grew 36% over the past year, so these are really, really grim stats.  If I had any doubt about the "hitting the wall" theory, I don't anymore.  

For me, IS has taken by far the worst hit of the major agencies.  SS has remained nearly steady, so I will count that as a big success for them considering how Getty have been gunning for them.  Seems like all Getty's attempts to unseat SS have backfired and damaged IS instead  ::)

Of the smaller agencies, BigStock has shown substantial gains since being taken over.  Another win for SS in my book.  

I left Crestock the end of last year for poor sales and the sales are down 50% from that, so I may have made a mistake reactivating my port with them.  Will give them until the end of the year to turn things around.  

The good news, I guess, is that this year the IRS sure won't get much from me. ;D
« Last Edit: August 02, 2010, 11:56 by lisafx »

alias

« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2010, 12:17 »
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For me, IS has taken by far the worst hit of the major agencies.  SS has remained nearly steady, so I will count that as a big success for them considering how Getty have been gunning for them.  Seems like all Getty's attempts to unseat SS have backfired and damaged IS instead

I would bet that sales are not significantly down at IS against previous summers (I have no info) just ever more shared out as everyone's portfolio gets relatively only slightly larger whilst IS itself grows ever more quickly.  So many people competing in the same space at roughly the same level. People at SS are less affected by this because SS has always been about keeping at it.
« Last Edit: August 02, 2010, 12:19 by alias »


« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2010, 12:17 »
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This is my stock photography sales statistic for July 2010. You can find a complete list of stock photography agencies that I work with here.



These are for me the best 4 performing stock agencies for July 2010:

   1. Shutterstock
   2. 123rf
   3. Fotolia
   4. Zazzle

July was my 2nd best month of all time with an increase of 111% compared to June. June was the best month ever for  Shutterstock, 123rf, PantherMedia, ClipArtOf, Zoonar, and Zazzle.


lisafx

« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2010, 12:55 »
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I would bet that sales are not significantly down at IS against previous summers (I have no info) just ever more shared out as everyone's portfolio gets relatively only slightly larger whilst IS itself grows ever more quickly.  So many people competing in the same space at roughly the same level. People at SS are less affected by this because SS has always been about keeping at it.

You may very well be right.  It sounds like a funeral over at Istock's July stats thread.  Gold and above canisters seem to be suffering the worst.   No way to know if the site's overall sales are down, but for individual contributors who are seeing massive drops, it may not matter. 

Not sure what you mean about "keeping at it" on SS.  I have always uploaded the same images at the same time to all sites, including SS and IS, so my portfolios everywhere are practically identical at any given moment. 

With SS having 2 or three times the contributors IS does, and virtually no upload limits, you would think the dilution effect would be more keenly felt there.

alias

« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2010, 12:59 »
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Depends how important new files are there.

lisafx

« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2010, 13:03 »
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Depends how important new files are there.

Sorry, still not following your meaning ???

Wouldn't a portfolio that has large numbers of new and older images negate any differences in the importance of new vs. old in overall download numbers?  

Maybe if you can offer more than a one sentence explanation I can figure out what you mean...

alias

« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2010, 13:39 »
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I think SS subscription model benefits new files and solid portfolios with new files. So size of the whole collection relative to your uploads is less significant when you carry on uploading. As fractions or ratios: (the size of IS / the size of your portfolio at IS)  is increasing much faster than (all new uploads at SS / your new uploads at SS). At SS you are competing more with new members. You have solid body of work so you carry on ok. At IS you are competing much more with the total size.

lisafx

« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2010, 13:55 »
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Okay, I see what you mean.  Makes sense.  Thanks for breaking it down for me :)

« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2010, 13:57 »
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I think I will skip adding up my earnings for July and do it at the end of August.  I had a spectacular month in July 09 and I know this one is well down. Istock is down and it is so hard to tell if it is just seasonal and a bad best match change or if the buyers are leaving because of the higher prices.  I am amazed they have made so many changes to what was the market leader, are they killing the golden goose?
« Last Edit: August 02, 2010, 13:59 by sharpshot »

nruboc

« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2010, 14:10 »
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I think I will skip adding up my earnings for July and do it at the end of August.  I had a spectacular month in July 09 and I know this one is well down. Istock is down and it is so hard to tell if it is just seasonal and a bad best match change or if the buyers are leaving because of the higher prices.  I am amazed they have made so many changes to what was the market leader, are they killing the golden goose?

Getty will be happy to kill the golden goose and bring their customers over to ThinkStock, where they can mix in their wholly owned content which has a pay out of 0, while at the same time paying exclusives significantly less. So far they've even maintained a handle on exclusive's frustration by upping the prices to account for the obvious migration of customers, mission accomplished.


 

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