Author Topic: Would you sell your images for a dollar if you'd get 70 cents? (poll) (Read 10615 times)

Shelma1 · « **Reply #25 on:** June 09, 2014, 05:23 »

The majority are still selling their images for $1 a pop on DPC, but we have no way of knowing whether that's because they're willing or happy to do so. The majority of contributors to DPC are probably still unaware that their images are sold there. It's entirely possible that the majority would opt out if they knew. You don't see Fotolia sending a mass email to all contributors informing them that their images are now on DPC and offering them the option to opt out. Instead they dangle little carrots and make opting out as difficult and hidden as possible.

I think the only reason they offered the opt out is their fear that most people would leave Fotolia entirely if not given that option.

Mantis · « **Reply #26 on:** June 09, 2014, 07:12 »

Quote from: Shelma1 on June 09, 2014, 05:23

The majority are still selling their images for $1 a pop on DPC, but we have no way of knowing whether that's because they're willing or happy to do so. The majority of contributors to DPC are probably still unaware that their images are sold there. It's entirely possible that the majority would opt out if they knew. You don't see Fotolia sending a mass email to all contributors informing them that their images are now on DPC and offering them the option to opt out. Instead they dangle little carrots and make opting out as difficult and hidden as possible.

I think the only reason they offered the opt out is their fear that most people would leave Fotolia entirely if not given that option.

SPOT ON.

Zayne · « **Reply #27 on:** June 09, 2014, 15:40 »

I think $1 devalues the whole photography market (way down to rock bottom, it is already quite low)...even if you get 70c per image, on the long run it will have repercussions. There WILL be sites that only pay 2c per image.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #28 on:** June 09, 2014, 16:07 »

http://99cimages.com/publisher-documentation.html

So how about 60 cents for the copyrightholder on a 99 cent sale?

To be fair, it's one user one use - 50K print run limit - so it's not a royalty free license, but I can't see how you could police this, so I'd bet a lot of users would treat as if they had an RF license.

Right now they appear to have Vivozoom's library (with MonkeyBusiness Images, Andres R, Elena Elisseeva that I happened to notice) but they say they won't do any inspections. What could go wrong with that?

Batman · « **Reply #29 on:** June 09, 2014, 16:17 »

Yes if they can sell 1000 pictures a month. No if it's just cheap sales and 70% of 2 dollar. Yes if they take my tiny leftovers, no if they want big size high Q shots. Yes if it worth my time, no if I can't make $100 a month at leats. I am not DPC I quit FT 5 years go. I don't join any site now that has secret partner or programs like DP tried to fool us. I drop all that sell on secret partrner and don't disclose or allow opt out.

Action speaks louder then forum crying. Agency won't change until we make them change. If people complain but do nothing to change, they should just shut up.

cthoman · « **Reply #30 on:** June 09, 2014, 16:40 »

Quote from: Batman on June 09, 2014, 16:17

Action speaks louder then forum crying. Agency won't change until we make them change. If people complain but do nothing to change, they should just shut up.

I hear this a lot, but what is considered doing something?

Milinz · « **Reply #31 on:** June 09, 2014, 19:05 »

Quote from: cthoman on June 09, 2014, 16:40

Quote from: Batman on June 09, 2014, 16:17
Action speaks louder then forum crying. Agency won't change until we make them change. If people complain but do nothing to change, they should just shut up.

I hear this a lot, but what is considered doing something?

You honestly had to ask?

Drop all agencies that lie, cheat and steal. Drop all that have pseudo sites that they own or run or are hiding partners. Do not tell sites that you are a cheerful victim who wants to be cheated and lied to and that you are willing to work for them for pennies.

The way it got to this way was agencies dropped commission. Agency changed level, referral and bonus. Agency added new impossible levels and RC. Nobody did anything. Agency adds new ways to sell without permission and cheats us, hides truth. Nobody does anything.

When agency says, we will include allowing option out, people claim it's a victory. Kind of victory, when they are still lying, cheating and stealing, but feel good, you can option out of some part.

When the problem started was low pay and people said we'll make it up by selling on 10 agencies for poor pay to make up for low pay. Then agencies see they can pay nothing and get good images. Agency lowers pay and nobody does anything, they still sell and work for nothing. Now it becomes race to the bottom. Agency makes more we make less. They look for new ways to cheat us out of a fair share.

Agency says, we can keep lowering pay and cheating these people because artists need the money and won't do anything to change the way we abuse them. The artists are beggars and down at heel. We'll take hand outs instead of what we rightfully deserve.

You want the answer again? Drop all agencies that lie, cheat and steal. Or take the abuse and be a willing victim. But don't complain about being a victim when it's a choice.

It's also called, put up or shut up.

pancaketom · « **Reply #32 on:** June 09, 2014, 19:43 »

Quote from: Milinz on June 09, 2014, 19:05

Quote from: cthoman on June 09, 2014, 16:40
Quote from: Batman on June 09, 2014, 16:17
Action speaks louder then forum crying. Agency won't change until we make them change. If people complain but do nothing to change, they should just shut up.

I hear this a lot, but what is considered doing something?

You honestly had to ask?

Drop all agencies that lie, cheat and steal. Drop all that have pseudo sites that they own or run or are hiding partners. Do not tell sites that you are a cheerful victim who wants to be cheated and lied to and that you are willing to work for them for pennies.

The way it got to this way was agencies dropped commission. Agency changed level, referral and bonus. Agency added new impossible levels and RC. Nobody did anything. Agency adds new ways to sell without permission and cheats us, hides truth. Nobody does anything.

When agency says, we will include allowing option out, people claim it's a victory. Kind of victory, when they are still lying, cheating and stealing, but feel good, you can option out of some part.

When the problem started was low pay and people said we'll make it up by selling on 10 agencies for poor pay to make up for low pay. Then agencies see they can pay nothing and get good images. Agency lowers pay and nobody does anything, they still sell and work for nothing. Now it becomes race to the bottom. Agency makes more we make less. They look for new ways to cheat us out of a fair share.

Agency says, we can keep lowering pay and cheating these people because artists need the money and won't do anything to change the way we abuse them. The artists are beggars and down at heel. We'll take hand outs instead of what we rightfully deserve.

You want the answer again? Drop all agencies that lie, cheat and steal. Or take the abuse and be a willing victim. But don't complain about being a victim when it's a choice.

It's also called, put up or shut up.

How is that working for you?

cthoman · « **Reply #33 on:** June 09, 2014, 19:54 »

Quote from: Milinz on June 09, 2014, 19:05

You want the answer again? Drop all agencies that lie, cheat and steal. Or take the abuse and be a willing victim. But don't complain about being a victim when it's a choice.

It's also called, put up or shut up.

I appreciate the input. That's not a solution that you are going to get many people to sign on to. There are a lot of smaller steps between that and doing nothing. I'd say those are the two extremes. That's why I asked. I honestly wasn't sure what actions people expected when they say these things.

PixelBytes · « **Reply #34 on:** June 09, 2014, 22:44 »

Quote from: Milinz on June 09, 2014, 19:05

Quote from: cthoman on June 09, 2014, 16:40

I hear this a lot, but what is considered doing something?

You honestly had to ask?

Drop all agencies that lie, cheat and steal. Drop all that have pseudo sites that they own or run or are hiding partners. ..... (etc. blah blah blah)

You could have shortened that post to "drop all agencies". Or if you wanted to be more concise "drop all agencies that make anybody any money".

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