Author Topic: Wirestock - sales dried up (Read 8398 times)

angelacat · « **on:** August 16, 2021, 08:00 »

Hi

I have a 1.7k port and increasing with Wirestock that gets a few sales a month - had 0 sales in the past 3 weeks or so - totally dried up.

Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing a big drop in sales.

Thanks
C

Brasilnut · « **Reply #1 on:** August 16, 2021, 08:24 »

Hi meow,

We're in August...

For Real · « **Reply #2 on:** August 16, 2021, 08:53 »

Quote from: Brasilnut on August 16, 2021, 08:24

Hi meow,

We're in August...

than September, October, November, Dec, Jan...

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #3 on:** August 16, 2021, 09:42 »

Quote from: angelacat on August 16, 2021, 08:00

Hi

I have a 1.7k port and increasing with Wirestock that gets a few sales a month - had 0 sales in the past 3 weeks or so - totally dried up.

Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing a big drop in sales.

Thanks
C

Same as the early days of Microstock, competition was limited, we had more sales. WS didn't have as many images or artists. Now they are popular and have millions of images, which means many more competing images at the same agencies.

I'm not talking about earnings, I'm just commenting on the number of downloads. Otherwise why would my top agencies, get 2 or 3 times the number of downloads, than I did a month in 2015, and I have more images now? Same images, more new, maybe better... I get 1/3rd the number of downloads.

Move forward. WS was a new entry and people were skeptical, didn't join or upload. Now major agencies are covered, sales are coming in, some of us make more at the higher levels, than we do on our own = WS is flooded with new images, the places they distribute to are flooded with new images.

Competition is much greater now than it was in 2020 when Wirestock was fresh and new. That simple.

angelacat · « **Reply #4 on:** August 16, 2021, 11:13 »

Thanks all - yeah about 3 years into stock - so I do try and lower my expectations for sales in August. But just odd that sales just stopped not slowed. I don't expect much from photo sales TBH.

Thanks again

Jens G · « **Reply #5 on:** August 17, 2021, 08:46 »

Do you think the sales numbers are lower via Wirestock, than than would have been if you used your own personal accounts at each agency?

angelacat · « **Reply #6 on:** August 18, 2021, 14:08 »

Hard to say really - my WS port is bigger than my personal port which still does get sales.

alexandersr · « **Reply #7 on:** August 19, 2021, 11:51 »

Quote from: angelacat on August 16, 2021, 08:00

Hi

I have a 1.7k port and increasing with Wirestock that gets a few sales a month - had 0 sales in the past 3 weeks or so - totally dried up.

Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing a big drop in sales.

Thanks
C

Because it is august, maybe!

cascoly · « **Reply #8 on:** August 19, 2021, 19:05 »

Quote from: Jens G on August 17, 2021, 08:46

Do you think the sales numbers are lower via Wirestock, than than would have been if you used your own personal accounts at each agency?

no, since any sales from WS are from images i wouldnt have had time to edit for months yet

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #9 on:** August 21, 2021, 13:34 »

Quote from: Jens G on August 17, 2021, 08:46

Do you think the sales numbers are lower via Wirestock, than than would have been if you used your own personal accounts at each agency?

Personally higher because I don't have a personal account or the inclination for Deposit, P5 photo, 123RF. Now Alamy has cut commissions, I'm looking to the future for the higher level to make up for the 15% fee. And my sales, actual sales, on DT are higher on WS than my old DT account that I'm still waiting to make $100 so I can close it.

I have a small number of SS rejects that are uploaded and I clicked SS on WS. They have sales.

Very few files to WS for Adobe, but I have those extra sales. I even have some Adobe rejects that are accepted on WS for Adobe. Then I can add in the Instant pay which I wouldn't have, without Wirestock.

So the conclusion in my case, except for SS and Adobe which I still manage myself, is better earnings because I'm lazy. I add important keywords, minimal effort and upload. WS can do the generic words. Most of the time, I already have the images with keywords, for SS.

To answer the question, in another way, My sales are higher, because of having files on Wirestock and it's not an I think, I know and the real numbers support that. No promises this would be the same for everyone else. Especially people who use a bulk submitter or have accounts at all the agencies.

cascoly · « **Reply #10 on:** August 21, 2021, 20:00 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on August 21, 2021, 13:34

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I have a small number of SS rejects that are uploaded and I clicked SS on WS. They have sales. ...

same here - categories that SS won't accept from me are accepted (and sell)when sent thru WS!

Jens G · « **Reply #11 on:** August 22, 2021, 00:49 »

Quote from: Jens G on August 17, 2021, 08:46

Do you think the sales numbers are lower via Wirestock, than than would have been if you used your own personal accounts at each agency?

Thanks to those of you who answered my question.

The reason for my question is that I'm considering deleting my files on SS, and upload them via WS instead. After a necessary wait of course.

But if the general feeling was that sales are worse via WS, I wouldn't do it.

For now, I think I will upload new files to WS, and by the end of the year see how they have done.

kall3bu · « **Reply #12 on:** August 22, 2021, 03:07 »

Quote from: Jens G on August 22, 2021, 00:49

Quote from: Jens G on August 17, 2021, 08:46
Do you think the sales numbers are lower via Wirestock, than than would have been if you used your own personal accounts at each agency?
Thanks to those of you who answered my question.

The reason for my question is that I'm considering deleting my files on SS, and upload them via WS instead. After a necessary wait of course.

But if the general feeling was that sales are worse via WS, I wouldn't do it.

For now, I think I will upload new files to WS, and by the end of the year see how they have done.

If you move your photos from SS to SS via WS you should have in mind:
As older your images, as more often they could be rejected now cause of the AI review process on SS.
With other words: Newer Images which passed via AI will be pass again. Rejected ones - as mentioned from others above - might get accepted now, because more accepted images via WS.
I luckily moved the most before the AI review and got most of them accepted again. My last batch - well they were indeed the worst ones in case of motifs not in kind of quality - most got accepted and some got sales directly and funny: also instant pay to SS (3.83$ each).

Jens G · « **Reply #13 on:** August 22, 2021, 04:32 »

Quote from: kall3bu on August 22, 2021, 03:07

Quote from: Jens G on August 22, 2021, 00:49
Quote from: Jens G on August 17, 2021, 08:46
Do you think the sales numbers are lower via Wirestock, than than would have been if you used your own personal accounts at each agency?
Thanks to those of you who answered my question.

The reason for my question is that I'm considering deleting my files on SS, and upload them via WS instead. After a necessary wait of course.

But if the general feeling was that sales are worse via WS, I wouldn't do it.

For now, I think I will upload new files to WS, and by the end of the year see how they have done.

If you move your photos from SS to SS via WS you should have in mind:
As older your images, as more often they could be rejected now cause of the AI review process on SS.
With other words: Newer Images which passed via AI will be pass again. Rejected ones - as mentioned from others above - might get accepted now, because more accepted images via WS.
I luckily moved the most before the AI review and got most of them accepted again. My last batch - well they were indeed the worst ones in case of motifs not in kind of quality - most got accepted and some got sales directly and funny: also instant pay to SS (3.83$ each).

Thank you for the advice. I will keep that in mind

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #14 on:** August 22, 2021, 10:47 »

Quote from: Jens G on August 22, 2021, 04:32

Quote from: kall3bu on August 22, 2021, 03:07
Quote from: Jens G on August 22, 2021, 00:49
Quote from: Jens G on August 17, 2021, 08:46
Do you think the sales numbers are lower via Wirestock, than than would have been if you used your own personal accounts at each agency?
Thanks to those of you who answered my question.

The reason for my question is that I'm considering deleting my files on SS, and upload them via WS instead. After a necessary wait of course.

But if the general feeling was that sales are worse via WS, I wouldn't do it.

For now, I think I will upload new files to WS, and by the end of the year see how they have done.

If you move your photos from SS to SS via WS you should have in mind:
As older your images, as more often they could be rejected now cause of the AI review process on SS.
With other words: Newer Images which passed via AI will be pass again. Rejected ones - as mentioned from others above - might get accepted now, because more accepted images via WS.
I luckily moved the most before the AI review and got most of them accepted again. My last batch - well they were indeed the worst ones in case of motifs not in kind of quality - most got accepted and some got sales directly and funny: also instant pay to SS (3.83$ each).
Thank you for the advice. I will keep that in mind

Yes, all kinds of reasoning but photos that are already accepted, I wouldn't delete. You don't know what will be rejected. I know that many of my older, lets say 2008 to 2012 images, I wouldn't even upload to SS now, and not to WS either.

But aside from the usual guesses and games and trying to trick the rank, I still get more downloads from SS and I did all that work. I see no reason to remove and try again. I'd keep the SS account and if you are going to start adding to WS, just stop uploading to SS. Like you say, see what happens.

I'd say, images that sell shouldn't be any different, based on how you get them to SS. If someone can actually show that WS has better placement and higher rank, then yes. I don't see that right now, but heck, this is Microstock, things are always changing.

Biggest advantage I can see, is through WS you will have a higher rank = pay percentage without that crappy January reset every year. And that percentage is more than enough to cover the WS 15% fee. Still, what I have is already done, so it stays. That and many of mine are Editorial, with case numbers. People who don't do that, have different reasoning and options.

cascoly · « **Reply #15 on:** August 22, 2021, 20:49 »

WS rejects when they think part of the image should be vertical, even if it's wrong (eg a flagpole that's really at an angle), they also reject for 'distracting elements' (in a market scene?!?), or any image that has a range of light values they consider over/under exposed - so these i'll caption & submit

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #16 on:** August 23, 2021, 20:22 »

Quote from: cascoly on August 22, 2021, 20:49

WS rejects when they think part of the image should be vertical, even if it's wrong (eg a flagpole that's really at an angle), they also reject for 'distracting elements' (in a market scene?!?), or any image that has a range of light values they consider over/under exposed - so these i'll caption & submit

I had some of those earlier, a slanted horizon. AI probably, but we can all watch for flaws like that in the reviews.

cascoly · « **Reply #17 on:** August 27, 2021, 19:54 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on August 23, 2021, 20:22

Quote from: cascoly on August 22, 2021, 20:49
WS rejects when they think part of the image should be vertical, even if it's wrong (eg a flagpole that's really at an angle), they also reject for 'distracting elements' (in a market scene?!?), or any image that has a range of light values they consider over/under exposed - so these i'll caption & submit

I had some of those earlier, a slanted horizon. AI probably, but we can all watch for flaws like that in the reviews.

slanted horizons i can understand, but these are slanitng lines WITH accurate horizon, or bldgs with multiple possible verticals

i've confirmed they use some AI - recently had a number of statues rejected as being people needing a model release & they confirmed it's a bug they're trying to reduce.

another AI indicator is rejects come quickly after submit, while actual reviews take far longer

overall, tho, it's still easier than submitting to agencies individually

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #18 on:** September 20, 2021, 12:53 »

Quote from: angelacat on August 16, 2021, 08:00

Hi

I have a 1.7k port and increasing with Wirestock that gets a few sales a month - had 0 sales in the past 3 weeks or so - totally dried up.

Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing a big drop in sales.

Thanks
C

Just thinking back to your original question. Wirestock sells nothing, they only manage and send images to the agencies. So in effect, if sales are down, the problem isn't Wirestock, it's the agencies?

Not that any of that will make you feel better or make more money, but Wirestock doesn't get downloads, they just distribute things.

Brasilnut · « **Reply #19 on:** September 21, 2021, 01:42 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on September 20, 2021, 12:53

Quote from: angelacat on August 16, 2021, 08:00
Hi

I have a 1.7k port and increasing with Wirestock that gets a few sales a month - had 0 sales in the past 3 weeks or so - totally dried up.

Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing a big drop in sales.

Thanks
C

Just thinking back to your original question. Wirestock sells nothing, they only manage and send images to the agencies. So in effect, if sales are down, the problem isn't Wirestock, it's the agencies?

Not that any of that will make you feel better or make more money, but Wirestock doesn't get downloads, they just distribute things.

Wirestock have recently started selling directly. Fixed prices $5 a pop for stills. Not sure how much for videos.

Suspect · « **Reply #20 on:** September 21, 2021, 04:11 »

Quote from: Brasilnut on September 21, 2021, 01:42

Quote from: Uncle Pete on September 20, 2021, 12:53
Quote from: angelacat on August 16, 2021, 08:00
Hi

I have a 1.7k port and increasing with Wirestock that gets a few sales a month - had 0 sales in the past 3 weeks or so - totally dried up.

Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing a big drop in sales.

Thanks
C

Just thinking back to your original question. Wirestock sells nothing, they only manage and send images to the agencies. So in effect, if sales are down, the problem isn't Wirestock, it's the agencies?

Not that any of that will make you feel better or make more money, but Wirestock doesn't get downloads, they just distribute things.

Wirestock have recently started selling directly. Fixed prices $5 a pop for stills. Not sure how much for videos.

Thanks Alex. Do you know what percentage of that contributors receive?

Brasilnut · « **Reply #21 on:** September 22, 2021, 03:03 »

Quote from: Suspect on September 21, 2021, 04:11

Quote from: Brasilnut on September 21, 2021, 01:42
Quote from: Uncle Pete on September 20, 2021, 12:53
Quote from: angelacat on August 16, 2021, 08:00
Hi

I have a 1.7k port and increasing with Wirestock that gets a few sales a month - had 0 sales in the past 3 weeks or so - totally dried up.

Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing a big drop in sales.

Thanks
C

Just thinking back to your original question. Wirestock sells nothing, they only manage and send images to the agencies. So in effect, if sales are down, the problem isn't Wirestock, it's the agencies?

Not that any of that will make you feel better or make more money, but Wirestock doesn't get downloads, they just distribute things.

Wirestock have recently started selling directly. Fixed prices $5 a pop for stills. Not sure how much for videos.

Thanks Alex. Do you know what percentage of that contributors receive?

Wirestock have just notified me that the percentage is 70% for direct portfolio sales. They also do direct sales with brands and agencies in which case it is 50%.

Suspect · « **Reply #22 on:** September 22, 2021, 03:40 »

Thanks Alex. That's good.

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