Author Topic: What would you do with your highest quality photos? RM (Read 22030 times)

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #25 on:** June 23, 2015, 07:24 »

"However I do see many of makeup/beauty shots on Getty, Corbis etc."

... Shutterstock, iStock, etc... Like I said, these may be different and new and high quality for you, but there are plenty of images like those already out there, which reduces the price you're going to be able to ask.

cobalt · « **Reply #26 on:** June 23, 2015, 07:44 »

Thank you for adding examples. The images you posted are not rare, not on macro, not on micro.

The key to success in both worlds is to keep uploading into this niche if you decide this is the theme for you. Then the customers will remember your portfolio as a specialist for that niche and bookmark you.

You can do this on either macro or micro agencies, or you can go exclusive with one place, but maybe when you are starting out exclusivity is not a good option.

But uploading regularly, at least every month, is always the most important.

Shoot.Upload.Repeat. Welcome to stock

panicAttack · « **Reply #27 on:** June 23, 2015, 07:47 »

Quote from: Tror on June 23, 2015, 07:10

Nope.

In what type of photography you believe there can be special subjects? Landscapes?

Just to show you are very wrong, if you are shooting for example cancer/dying patients or even person with some disfigurement faces (accidents or even acid attacks) and to do it in makeup/beauty style as some kind of message about inner beauty it is very special and specific subject.

Doesn't mean I have those, just letting you know.

panicAttack · « **Reply #28 on:** June 23, 2015, 07:59 »

Quote from: cobalt on June 23, 2015, 07:44

Thank you for adding examples. The images you posted are not rare, not on macro, not on micro.

The key to success in both worlds is to keep uploading into this niche if you decide this is the theme for you. Then the customers will remember your portfolio as a specialist for that niche and bookmark you.

You can do this on either macro or micro agencies, or you can go exclusive with one place, but maybe when you are starting out exclusivity is not a good option.

But uploading regularly, at least every month, is always the most important.

Shoot.Upload.Repeat. Welcome to stock

Oh, thank you but I am not new in stock (microstock), I'm doing it for several years (photos and vectors) in it is my highest household income.

I was just putting example of trying to do step forward (if it is) in terms of earning, or atleast earning per sale.

I know that even for high quality beauty shots series of 20ish photos it's very hard for last few years to earn more then 2-3 hundreds dollars in a period of about a year.

In my way it is something like that shoot(few hours for whole shoot), post processing (few weeks for whole series of about 200 photos, very long period), keyword and upload (one day per week only for that)

Exclusivity is not an options, only image based.

Thank you

tickstock · « **Reply #29 on:** June 23, 2015, 08:01 »

How much do you have to lose if this series doesn't sell? I think try it out, if it gets you accepted into a macro site you'll have opportunities later to add different content and test it some more.

panicAttack · « **Reply #30 on:** June 23, 2015, 08:23 »

Quote from: tickstock on June 23, 2015, 08:01

How much do you have to lose if this series doesn't sell?

You are right about that.

Can same RM photo be presented on Getty, Alamy, Corbis and for example Offset and what are commission percentage for photographers on those four agencies?

tickstock · « **Reply #31 on:** June 23, 2015, 08:45 »

Alamy 50%, Getty 40% (30% for some), Offset 30%, Corbis not sure (depends on type). Alamy and Offset nonexclusive, Getty image exclusive, Corbis depends. Offset is RF and nonexclusive but I don't think you are allowed to contribute to the microstock sites, so it's not completely nonexclusive.

Tror · « **Reply #32 on:** June 23, 2015, 10:26 »

Quote from: panicAttack on June 23, 2015, 07:47

Quote from: Tror on June 23, 2015, 07:10

Nope.

In what type of photography you believe there can be special subjects? Landscapes?

Doesn't mean I have those, just letting you know.

I think the most niches for RM you will find within concepts and production value. Especially regarding the subject of organic or small businesses. There are still huge gaps. Especially the not so generic and more stylish or realistic material is what sells for me on RM. I suggest you to do database research? There are currently 1855486 beauty Portrait subjects on the Agencies (exact number). In comparison, there are only 1324 for the subject of "Carpenter Team". Once uploaded, the comparative index of those two and the sales numbers suggest that your chances to sell a shot of a team of Carpenters is about 187 times higher than to sell a beauty Portrait. Obviously, much of those images - regarding both set of keywords - is irrelevant or low quality, but that affects both subjects. Too, the database scanning oftenly brings misleading results, I just investigated about two minutes and further research would be needed, but.....I do not want to disappoint you and, obviously, I am not always right - maybe you can be successful with this -, but I am not so sure if you really have much actual experience on the RM market....

panicAttack · « **Reply #33 on:** June 23, 2015, 10:39 »

Quote from: tickstock on June 23, 2015, 08:45

Alamy 50%, Getty 40% (30% for some), Offset 30%, Corbis not sure (depends on type). Alamy and Offset nonexclusive, Getty image exclusive, Corbis depends. Offset is RF and nonexclusive but I don't think you are allowed to contribute to the microstock sites, so it's not completely nonexclusive.

You were very helpful, thanks. I thought Getty was in 20% range, looks like it's not.

Yes, Offset is something different.

@toro thank you also. There is always niche even in beauty shots, but it's harder to find and create it. You are right about comparison of beauty and carpenter subject in terms of supply, but demand for those images is another story.

cobalt · « **Reply #34 on:** June 23, 2015, 10:42 »

getty is 20% for rf.

you can have the same files on several macro agencies, but you need a distributor to do it for you, I don´t know if single artists can also have their own distribution deal. but the macro agencies all sublicense their content to each other. So you need to talk to several, ask about their contracts and then sign up with the agency that promises you the widest exposure.

tickstock · « **Reply #35 on:** June 23, 2015, 10:52 »

Quote from: cobalt on June 23, 2015, 10:42

getty is 20% for rf.

you can have the same files on several macro agencies, but you need a distributor to do it for you, I don´t know if single artists can also have their own distribution deal. but the macro agencies all sublicense their content to each other. So you need to talk to several, ask about their contracts and then sign up with the agency that promises you the widest exposure.

Can you say what royalty rate a distribution deal pays?

50% · « **Reply #36 on:** June 23, 2015, 10:57 »

Quote from: tickstock on June 23, 2015, 10:52

Quote from: cobalt on June 23, 2015, 10:42
getty is 20% for rf.

you can have the same files on several macro agencies, but you need a distributor to do it for you, I don´t know if single artists can also have their own distribution deal. but the macro agencies all sublicense their content to each other. So you need to talk to several, ask about their contracts and then sign up with the agency that promises you the widest exposure.
Can you say what royalty rate a distribution deal pays?

80% getty 20% distribution agency normally you get 50% from a distribution agency so it is about 10%, but this is only for Getty with other agencies, distribution agencies get better deals and Getty is not the agency most of the money comes in from my distribution agencies.

tickstock · « **Reply #37 on:** June 23, 2015, 11:00 »

Quote from: 50% on June 23, 2015, 10:57

Quote from: tickstock on June 23, 2015, 10:52
Quote from: cobalt on June 23, 2015, 10:42
getty is 20% for rf.

you can have the same files on several macro agencies, but you need a distributor to do it for you, I don´t know if single artists can also have their own distribution deal. but the macro agencies all sublicense their content to each other. So you need to talk to several, ask about their contracts and then sign up with the agency that promises you the widest exposure.
Can you say what royalty rate a distribution deal pays?
80% getty 20% distribution agency normally you get 50% from a distribution agency so it is about 10%, but this is only for Getty with other agencies, distribution agencies get better deals and Getty is not the agency most of the money comes in from my distribution agencies.

So you're happy with your distribution deal? Which company are you with? That's RF right.

cobalt · « **Reply #38 on:** June 23, 2015, 11:04 »

it depends on the company you work with. but I think usually it is around 50%. the interesting part is what kind of deals your distributor has with the different agencies.

you can of course try to get into 10 macros and distribute yourself, but I would imagine that to be more work.

macro is a huge, huge world. but everything moves slower. some companies only take new files two times a year, others allow their clients to pay after several months...it is very different.

tickstock · « **Reply #39 on:** June 23, 2015, 11:05 »

Quote from: cobalt on June 23, 2015, 11:04

it depends on the company you work with. but I think usually it is around 50%. the interesting part is what kind of deas your distributor has with the different agencies.

you can of course try to get into 10 macros and distribute yourself, but I would imagine that to be more work.

That's what I was asking you, what royalty rate you get after the deals they strike with the agencies?

cobalt · « **Reply #40 on:** June 23, 2015, 11:08 »

I cannot disclose details of my own contract and they anyway have over 200 partners with individual deals.

you can also work with getty and they will sublicense your content everywhere. you get 20% of whatever getty receives, but I have no idea what agreements they have with corbis, masterfile etc...but many of my sales on getty came from partners.

but distribution is not automatic, the partners will pick and choose what they like, although some will mirror everything.

you really need to talk to your partner to understand their system. but there are many companies out there for macro work.

ArenaCreative · « **Reply #41 on:** June 23, 2015, 12:11 »

I have always put my highest quality images on microstock, and (there are exceptions) but usually they make more sales to justify the extra time/investment spent on them. End of story. Works for me.

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