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« on: July 07, 2019, 09:47 »
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I've been using Microstock group keywording tool for more than, well, I don't know, 5-10 years, I from the beginning.
Unfortunately, it is becoming useless thanks to the horrible algorithm at Shutterstock that pushes a bunch of similars from a few  amateur photographers to the front page (which is what Microstockgroup keywording tool uses for keyword selection - the page one, I think), I just can't pick up proper keywords using the tool.
Can you please recommend some good keywording tool that extracts information from, for example, Adobe, and not Shutterstock?
Thanks in advance!
This is also to moderator Leaf - can you improve the keywording tool by using Adobe, because Shutterstock Relevant is ridicuolus at the moment?


« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2019, 09:49 »
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I've been using Microstock group keywording tool for more than, well, I don't know, 5-10 years, I from the beginning.
Unfortunately, it is becoming useless thanks to the horrible algorithm at Shutterstock that pushes a bunch of similars from a few  amateur photographers to the front page (which is what Microstockgroup keywording tool uses for keyword selection - the page one, I think), I just can't pick up proper keywords using the tool.
Can you please recommend some good keywording tool that extracts information from, for example, Adobe, and not Shutterstock?
Thanks in advance!
This is also to moderator Leaf - can you improve the keywording tool by using Adobe, because Shutterstock Relevant is ridicuolus at the moment?

I recommend your brain and common sense. :)

« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2019, 10:03 »
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I just asked a straightforward question. Please don't. Do you want me to beg you?

steheap

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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2019, 11:12 »
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The one I like at the moment is this: https://imstocker.com/en/keyworder

It does search multiple agencies and it is easy to select the images that are closest to yours. Then picking the keywords from the ordered list is very smooth. I think you end up with a good selection of keywords and then you can add your own specific ones to that before uploading.

Steve

« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2019, 11:23 »
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The one I like at the moment is this: https://imstocker.com/en/keyworder

It does search multiple agencies and it is easy to select the images that are closest to yours. Then picking the keywords from the ordered list is very smooth. I think you end up with a good selection of keywords and then you can add your own specific ones to that before uploading.

Steve
Thank you, that's what I was looking for.
The selection of images is much better and closer to a given keyword.

« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2019, 12:23 »
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...i use Xpiks , it is nice

« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2019, 12:39 »
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...i use Xpiks , it is nice
I'll take a look, thanks!

dpimborough

« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2019, 16:23 »
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Theres a tool on this site that does the job just fine

https://microstockgroup.com/tools/keyword.php

« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2019, 16:55 »
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« Last Edit: July 07, 2019, 16:58 by pkphotos »

« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2019, 16:57 »
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I've been using Microstock group keywording tool for more than, well, I don't know, 5-10 years, I from the beginning.
Unfortunately, it is becoming useless thanks to the horrible algorithm at Shutterstock that pushes a bunch of similars from a few  amateur photographers to the front page (which is what Microstockgroup keywording tool uses for keyword selection - the page one, I think), I just can't pick up proper keywords using the tool.
Can you please recommend some good keywording tool that extracts information from, for example, Adobe, and not Shutterstock?
Thanks in advance!
This is also to moderator Leaf - can you improve the keywording tool by using Adobe, because Shutterstock Relevant is ridicuolus at the moment?

I recommend your brain and common sense. :)

I was going to write the exact same thing but common sense meant you beat me to it

« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2019, 02:07 »
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The one I like at the moment is this: https://imstocker.com/en/keyworder

It does search multiple agencies and it is easy to select the images that are closest to yours. Then picking the keywords from the ordered list is very smooth. I think you end up with a good selection of keywords and then you can add your own specific ones to that before uploading.

Steve

Not StockSumitter ??   I find it very good if using 'RT QuickMeta' and integrates into my workflow nicely :-)


« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2019, 03:36 »
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Theres a tool on this site that does the job just fine

https://microstockgroup.com/tools/keyword.php
Except for editorial images which as far as I can tell it doesn't pick up.

« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2019, 03:37 »
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Commonsense can always be supplemented by useful tools....thats how we got out of caves.

steheap

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« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2019, 07:04 »
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I don't use StockSubmitter for this because I want to keyword my images in Lightroom so I can later find them. I could keep a separate catalog of my stock images, but I like to have the originals keyworded.

Steve

« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2019, 07:51 »
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Theres a tool on this site that does the job just fine

https://microstockgroup.com/tools/keyword.php
I find it useless lately, I explained why in the original post. It doesn't mean it won't turn the other way around some day.
Thanks for the suggestion anyway!

« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2019, 09:01 »
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« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2019, 09:56 »
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sorry the MSG tool is currently down.  There was a problem with the Shutterstock API and I'm currently on holidays so I'm not in a spot to fix it.  I'll try and get a fix in place in a couple week.  I'm sorry it can't be earlier.


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« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2019, 10:34 »
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I use the Shutterstock one.

https://submit.shutterstock.com/portfolio/suggestions.mhtml

I use SS also, then copy and paste into images. SS words are Alpha sorted, makes no difference what order for the search. However SS does weight words, behind the obvious, and we don't know what featured words are being used to find or promote images or groups of images.

My personal answer is, to use honest, relevant keywords that apply BEST and include good descriptions. There are no tricks or any magic to better placement, other than the only using most relevant words. Anything anyone can do to trick the system can also be used to punish placement because of trying to fool the system.

« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2019, 00:54 »
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Stocksubimitter has some nice AI built in. If you type the title and select the images, it does good work with auto keywording feature. You will notice, all keywords on images are different, not the exact replica of first image keywords. That's good. And if you select multiple images and open keywording editor in advanced mode, and remove the one which you do not need, finally save. You are done. It saves lot of time.

Xpiks does good job on images and videos both. You will need to change the keywords for each file manually.

« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2019, 01:29 »
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I don't use StockSubmitter for this because I want to keyword my images in Lightroom so I can later find them. I could keep a separate catalog of my stock images, but I like to have the originals keyworded.

Steve

Update metadata from file !!  when finished keywording in SS  :)

It will reorder alphabetically though, not keep priority order as defined in SS !
but all will be there in LR  8)  You could then copy to RAW file if required ;-)

steheap

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« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2019, 13:22 »
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I don't use StockSubmitter for this because I want to keyword my images in Lightroom so I can later find them. I could keep a separate catalog of my stock images, but I like to have the originals keyworded.

Steve

Update metadata from file !!  when finished keywording in SS  :)

It will reorder alphabetically though, not keep priority order as defined in SS !
but all will be there in LR  8)  You could then copy to RAW file if required ;-)

All of my files in LR are either the Raw files or PSDs if edited in Photoshop. I export those to JPEGs with sRGB etc at a slightly smaller size onto a different drive in my PC and those Jpegs are the ones that StockSubmitter sees. So although those Jpegs have keywords in them, I would have to first import them into LR (which makes my catalog bigger as well) and then do a whole lot of copying of metadata to update each original file. That is a lot of work. So I prefer to keyword in LR and do my sync'ing there and then export Jpegs with keywords and descriptions to StSub.  I wish there was a smoother process than the one I follow (or I really wish that LR didn't only have alphabetic order for keywords which would solve many issues).

Steve

Steve

« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2019, 10:30 »
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Not StockSumitter ??   I find it very good if using 'RT QuickMeta' and integrates into my workflow nicely :-)
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I tried a couple tools and for my need, it's the best.


 

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