Author Topic: Will google start keywording our images for us (Read 11115 times)

leaf · « **on:** September 26, 2016, 16:15 »

Interesting article on google's auto keywording and the software used that has just been released as open source.

It's not long before we won't have to keyword our images anymore.

https://www.dpreview.com/news/7658223665/google-algorithm-can-describe-image-contents-with-93-9-accuracy

axon_guru · « **Reply #1 on:** September 26, 2016, 17:30 »

Actually, you don't have to wait. The future is here today. AxonGuru.com does the tagging automatically and submits to ShutterStock, Dreamstime and Fotolia for free now.

Quote from: leaf on September 26, 2016, 16:15

Interesting article on google's auto keywording and the software used that has just been released as open source.

It's not long before we won't have to keyword our images anymore.

https://www.dpreview.com/news/7658223665/google-algorithm-can-describe-image-contents-with-93-9-accuracy

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #2 on:** September 26, 2016, 17:39 »

A dog on a beach isn't as useful for stock images as the particular breed and the location of the beach.

Accurate names for tools, construction equipment, cities and neighborhoods in them, seasonal festivals (knowing Christmas from Hanukkah even though both have candles), craft or clothing styles, type of party, concert or musical band, species of plant, which ground spices in a food shot...

There's lots of detail that helps sell images that automatic keywording can't (yet) handle.

Minsc · « **Reply #3 on:** September 26, 2016, 18:08 »

Good keywording is one of the most important aspects of being successful in Microstock. If you want to rely on an automate tool, go ahead, but don't complain if nobody can find your images.

charged · « **Reply #4 on:** September 26, 2016, 18:19 »

I was looking at this auto keywording website today, it is reasonably good, though not as good yet as a human would be.

http://imagga.com/auto-tagging-demo?url=https://s3.amazonaws.com/imagga-demo-uploads/tagging-demo/37bb8ca5b3920c575a379dddf1a4566e.png

In the link, the picture on the top left is one I just grabbed off iStock to test. Not my photo. Most of the keywords the website suggested seem accurate. Though it guess 'home' and missed that this is a restaurant.

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Auto keyword app by shutterstock
http://www.digitaltrends.com/photography/shutterstock-app-keywords-tag-ai-artificial-intelligence-image-recognition/

Auto keyword app by eyeem
http://www.digitaltrends.com/photography/eyeem-adds-auto-keywords/

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So the next step is an app that will auto take photos for me on it's own, auto color correct and remove logos, and auto upload, and auto earn money!!!

alno · « **Reply #5 on:** September 27, 2016, 02:55 »

Quote from: axon_guru on September 26, 2016, 17:30

Actually, you don't have to wait. The future is here today. AxonGuru.com does the tagging automatically and submits to ShutterStock, Dreamstime and Fotolia for free now.

Quote from: leaf on September 26, 2016, 16:15
Interesting article on google's auto keywording and the software used that has just been released as open source.

It's not long before we won't have to keyword our images anymore.

https://www.dpreview.com/news/7658223665/google-algorithm-can-describe-image-contents-with-93-9-accuracy

AxonGuru.com > We're sorry, but something went wrong.

alno · « **Reply #6 on:** September 27, 2016, 02:57 »

Quote from: charged on September 26, 2016, 18:19

So the next step is an app that will auto take photos for me on it's own, auto color correct and remove logos, and auto upload, and auto earn money!!!

You forgot auto spend it.

Millionstock.com · « **Reply #7 on:** September 27, 2016, 03:07 »

Axonguru seems to me very interesting....I'm gonna try it...

Dodie · « **Reply #8 on:** September 27, 2016, 03:46 »

Quote from: leaf on September 26, 2016, 16:15

Interesting article on google's auto keywording and the software used that has just been released as open source.

It's not long before we won't have to keyword our images anymore.

https://www.dpreview.com/news/7658223665/google-algorithm-can-describe-image-contents-with-93-9-accuracy

Google does this for a long time and look what can happen: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3145887/Google-apologises-Photos-app-tags-black-people-gorillas-Fault-image-recognition-software-mislabelled-picture.html

cathyslife · « **Reply #9 on:** September 27, 2016, 07:56 »

Quote from: Dodie on September 27, 2016, 03:46

Google does this for a long time and look what can happen: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3145887/Google-apologises-Photos-app-tags-black-people-gorillas-Fault-image-recognition-software-mislabelled-picture.html

Yeah. Not quite there yet with the auto keywording. It might be useful as a start to get keywords, but a human still needs to check for specifics, like Jo Ann said.

generalmilk · « **Reply #10 on:** September 28, 2016, 18:29 »

Quote from: Irina Anosova on September 27, 2016, 02:55

Quote from: axon_guru on September 26, 2016, 17:30
Actually, you don't have to wait. The future is here today. AxonGuru.com does the tagging automatically and submits to ShutterStock, Dreamstime and Fotolia for free now.

Quote from: leaf on September 26, 2016, 16:15
Interesting article on google's auto keywording and the software used that has just been released as open source.

It's not long before we won't have to keyword our images anymore.

newbielink:https://www.dpreview.com/news/7658223665/google-algorithm-can-describe-image-contents-with-93-9-accuracy [nonactive]

AxonGuru.com > We're sorry, but something went wrong.

Hi Irina,

Thank you for trying Axon Guru, I'm one of the developer. Can you let me know when did this error happen? Is it when you were accessing the homepage or when you were trying to do some action?

axon_guru · « **Reply #11 on:** September 28, 2016, 23:55 »

Yes. I do agree that good keywording is essential. I also don't think any AI tool can fully automate and replace creative photographers. I view AI tools like a newer camera gears or editing software that make photographer's life a little easier.

Quote from: Minsc on September 26, 2016, 18:08

Good keywording is one of the most important aspects of being successful in Microstock. If you want to rely on an automate tool, go ahead, but don't complain if nobody can find your images.

alno · « **Reply #12 on:** September 29, 2016, 01:44 »

Quote from: generalmilk on September 28, 2016, 18:29

Quote from: Irina Anosova on September 27, 2016, 02:55
Quote from: axon_guru on September 26, 2016, 17:30
Actually, you don't have to wait. The future is here today. AxonGuru.com does the tagging automatically and submits to ShutterStock, Dreamstime and Fotolia for free now.

Quote from: leaf on September 26, 2016, 16:15
Interesting article on google's auto keywording and the software used that has just been released as open source.

It's not long before we won't have to keyword our images anymore.

https://www.dpreview.com/news/7658223665/google-algorithm-can-describe-image-contents-with-93-9-accuracy

AxonGuru.com > We're sorry, but something went wrong.

It happened at the moment I wrote that comment. Homepage access trouble.

Hi Irina,

Thank you for trying Axon Guru, I'm one of the developer. Can you let me know when did this error happen? Is it when you were accessing the homepage or when you were trying to do some action?

Dodie · « **Reply #13 on:** September 29, 2016, 02:21 »

Quote from: charged on September 26, 2016, 18:19

So the next step is an app that will auto take photos for me on it's own, auto color correct and remove logos, and auto upload, and auto earn money!!!

That is the one that I'm waiting for, maybe ...for Christmas?!

riffmax · « **Reply #14 on:** September 29, 2016, 07:54 »

I thought I'd look at Axon Guru just out of curiosity. I signed up, got the confirmation email, went to log in and got the "something went wrong" message.

CrFx · « **Reply #15 on:** September 29, 2016, 08:40 »

Quote from: riffmax on September 29, 2016, 07:54

I thought I'd look at Axon Guru just out of curiosity. I signed up, got the confirmation email, went to log in and got the "something went wrong" message.

I think I should then wait a little

dpimborough · « **Reply #16 on:** September 29, 2016, 12:54 »

Yeah Jon Oringer is yacking about the same automation stuff.

It just goes to show how little these people either know or care about selling photos

It's just a commodity let the machines take the photos too while they are at it.

axon_guru · « **Reply #17 on:** September 29, 2016, 15:39 »

ShutterStock gets most revenue from selling Subscriptions not individual photos. Their subscribers will continue to renew so long as they think they've got their money worth which means more quantity and more automation. We contributors will need to retool for such trend change.

Quote from: Teddy the Cat on September 29, 2016, 12:54

Yeah Jon Oringer is yacking about the same automation stuff.

It just goes to show how little these people either know or care about selling photos

It's just a commodity let the machines take the photos too while they are at it.

axon_guru · « **Reply #18 on:** September 29, 2016, 15:43 »

We are very sorry about that login bug. It was introduced when we added new features related to scalability. We have just fixed it. Please try sign up or login again. Many thanks!

Quote from: CrFx on September 29, 2016, 08:40

Quote from: riffmax on September 29, 2016, 07:54
I thought I'd look at Axon Guru just out of curiosity. I signed up, got the confirmation email, went to log in and got the "something went wrong" message.

I think I should then wait a little

sarah2 · « **Reply #19 on:** October 12, 2016, 01:44 »

Lookingat Axonguru I see:

Your act of posting your User Content on this Website shall be deemed that you grant Axon a world-wide, irrevocable, sublicense-able, royalty-free, perpetual, transferable, non-exclusive license to use, modify, reproduce, publish, edit, store, convert, distribute, publicly display and perform, and create derivative works of such User Content and your personal information contained in your User Content in any form, media or technology, known or developed in future, for use for Axon Services and Axon’s business in any manner. You also grant other Users a non-exclusive license to access, use, reproduce, display, distribute and perform your User Content as permitted in accordance with design of Axon Services.

Am I getting paranoid?

sarah2 · « **Reply #20 on:** October 12, 2016, 01:50 »

OK - decided to have a look - signed up via FB. Once in, it seems you must then be hosting your photos on FB but in FAQ I see:

Q: Why can't I submit photos from Facebook, Instagram or 500px to microstock sites?

A: These providers do not provide high resolution photos that meet the minimum 4 MB resolution requirement of microstock websites. Therefore, we will skip the recommendation. In the future we will let you upload the high resolution photos and submit.

Not a great start.....or am I missing something?

Pauws99 · « **Reply #21 on:** October 12, 2016, 03:23 »

Quote from: axon_guru on September 29, 2016, 15:39

ShutterStock gets most revenue from selling Subscriptions not individual photos. Their subscribers will continue to renew so long as they think they've got their money worth which means more quantity and more automation. We contributors will need to retool for such trend change.

Quote from: Teddy the Cat on September 29, 2016, 12:54
Yeah Jon Oringer is yacking about the same automation stuff.

It just goes to show how little these people either know or care about selling photos

It's just a commodity let the machines take the photos too while they are at it.

Do they? In my case I get over 50% of my income from non-subscription sources?

axon_guru · « **Reply #22 on:** October 12, 2016, 16:39 »

Quote from: sarah2 on October 12, 2016, 01:44

Lookingat Axonguru I see:

Your act of posting your User Content on this Website shall be deemed that you grant Axon a world-wide, irrevocable, sublicense-able, royalty-free, perpetual, transferable, non-exclusive license to use, modify, reproduce, publish, edit, store, convert, distribute, publicly display and perform, and create derivative works of such User Content and your personal information contained in your User Content in any form, media or technology, known or developed in future, for use for Axon Services and Axon’s business in any manner. You also grant other Users a non-exclusive license to access, use, reproduce, display, distribute and perform your User Content as permitted in accordance with design of Axon Services.

Am I getting paranoid?

This paragraph only applies to "Your act of posting your User Content." In social media, it means any posts, comments that you post on Axon's site and wish others to see.

Here is the definition regarding just the User Content from the T&C:

9.1 User Content refers to a) any content you may post, display, or otherwise make available on Axon Services including your profile information, questions, comments, views, image, graphics, drawing, public album, suggestions and any other information or content; b) your images that you may allow us to get from your online album with your photo hosting provider; and c) the image description you may enter and tag.

The user always retain all the rights to his/her copyrighted photos as outlined in T&C:

9.2 You have full rights to your User Content. We don’t claim any ownership rights in or to your User Content. However, by sharing your User Content through Axon Service, you grant us license to allow other Users to view, edit, use and/or share your User Content subject to your User Account setting and the Terms and Conditions. We reserve the right to remove any User Content at our sole discretion.

Feel free to contact us via email [email protected].

axon_guru · « **Reply #23 on:** October 12, 2016, 17:10 »

Quote from: sarah2 on October 12, 2016, 01:50

OK - decided to have a look - signed up via FB. Once in, it seems you must then be hosting your photos on FB but in FAQ I see:

Q: Why can't I submit photos from Facebook, Instagram or 500px to microstock sites?

A: These providers do not provide high resolution photos that meet the minimum 4 MB resolution requirement of microstock websites. Therefore, we will skip the recommendation. In the future we will let you upload the high resolution photos and submit.

Not a great start.....or am I missing something?

Thanks for trying our service. We still can process photos from FB. FB's photo has only 2M pixels. We just cannot recommend them automatically since the resolution is below 4M pixels. Once the FB photos are processed, you can click on them one at a time to see the auto-generated text. In the future, we may add a feature to let you upload a high resolution photo for your FB photos so that you can submit to the microstock sites. Until then, we recommend you use Google Photos to upload your photos at "high quality (free unlimited storage)" which is currently 16M pixels.

Google Photos has apps to back up your photos from your phone. I personally use the desktop version called "Google Photos Backup" for all my DSLR photos. You can add the folders that you wish to backup and sync to Google. Once the photos are on Google Drive, then use our "Manage Providers" page to connect it. We also support Amazon, Dropbox and Smugug but they are not free. Please feel free to contact me at [email protected]. Thanks again for trying.

spike · « **Reply #24 on:** October 12, 2016, 17:51 »

Is this a thread about axon guru or google's keywording? I mean, the guy spams every topic which contains any mention of keywords and tries to plug his product. Moderators, anyone?

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