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« Reply #125 on: July 25, 2013, 16:37 »
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Having to really nail them is trivial when there are 20+ million images in store.

Due to Pareto's Law only 20% of those 20 million images are selling well and compensating for the remaining 80% of low sellers.

That means 2 millions of top sellers and of those 2 millions 100,000 are Yuri's, that means his portfolio alone impacts an agency like SS for around 5% of their sales but as far as we know it could be even 10-15% !

Of course random buyers will quickly grab the clones but some buyers could go back to istock if they're fans of Yuri and his team.

again your predictions are wrong, keep trying!

Yuri's father said on SS forum that Yuri was having around 4k downloads a day or 120k a month, SS reported 22.3 Million downloads in the first quarter of 2013 or 7.43 M a month, making Yuri numbers just 1.61%


« Reply #126 on: July 25, 2013, 16:39 »
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Having to really nail them is trivial when there are 20+ million images in store.

Due to Pareto's Law only 20% of those 20 million images are selling well and compensating for the remaining 80% of low sellers.

That means 2 millions of top sellers and of those 2 millions 100,000 are Yuri's, that means his portfolio alone impacts an agency like SS for around 5% of their sales but as far as we know it could be even 10-15% !

Of course random buyers will quickly grab the clones but some buyers could go back to istock if they're fans of Yuri and his team.

That's not what I was talking about, but since you mentioned this... Have you ever been on the other side? Professional buyers? Graphic studio, ad agency, working with dozen of graphic artits, operators?

« Reply #127 on: July 25, 2013, 16:40 »
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« Last Edit: July 25, 2013, 17:15 by Gunter Nezhoda »

Ron

« Reply #128 on: July 25, 2013, 16:41 »
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Having to really nail them is trivial when there are 20+ million images in store.


Due to Pareto's Law only 20% of those 20 million images are selling well and compensating for the remaining 80% of low sellers.

That means 2 millions of top sellers and of those 2 millions 100,000 are Yuri's, that means his portfolio alone impacts an agency like SS for around 5% of their sales but as far as we know it could be even 10-15% !

Of course random buyers will quickly grab the clones but some buyers could go back to istock if they're fans of Yuri and his team.
So for microstock 80/20 is the rule, but for Yuri its 100%? He had around 15.000 unsold images on Fotolia, out of 58k back in October.

http://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/yuri-arcurs-has-over-15-000-unsold-images-on-ft/

Yuri_Arcurs

  • One Crazy PhotoManic MadPerson
« Reply #129 on: July 25, 2013, 16:43 »
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I'm not sure what to think,
There's a guy who made it all the way to the top from scratch, produces the best "Merchandise" in our industry and everybody else is jealous and does not give credit were credit is due. This man became very successful with hard work and great strategies. What are we doing? - Checking his spelling? - very childish of us in my opinion.


I for my part would like to succeed and listen to people who have done it, not judge them.


There is no fairness in business and I don't expect it. I'm not waiting for Yuri to change my diapers.
I'm not hoping that successful people hold back, turn around and offer their hand to me, so I can have a piece of the pie too. That's not how it works.


Great going Yuri, it does suck that you car is nicer than mine, but I know why, and you deserve it. Get it while you can!

You Made my day!

« Reply #130 on: July 25, 2013, 16:45 »
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MSG posters are biased yes, but they are brutal and sometimes that is ok. :)

is it me or some of them are literally foaming from their mouth in anger ? :)

it's getting more and more funny to read this forum recently, one by one all their dreams and their rock solid statements about the microstock industry are crashing and burning and the only talk left is about Symbiostock of PoD sites.
You're the one that somehow managed to get kicked off the alamy forum.  I know you say it was all their fault but that's not true.  So if you want to see someone foaming at the mouth, perhaps you should look in a mirror :)

Yuri_Arcurs

  • One Crazy PhotoManic MadPerson
« Reply #131 on: July 25, 2013, 16:47 »
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What a narcissist! Sneers at us all over how he won't deal with us, only with "professionals", then can't resist cobbling together some stats that might support the contention that he is god's gift to the universe and can't resist coming to amateursnapperstockgroup.com to brag about his importance.
Sorry, Yuri, didn't you get the message when iStock sacked Sean? Nobody is of any real importance to the stock industry, not Sean and not  you. But don't let that get in the way of your self-esteem.

Hi. Send me an email on wackerhausen@gmail.com and let's discus a bit further. I feel somewhat sad that I can make you explode like this and would like to know why. Are you ok with discussing over email?

I've observed  you over the years. My opinion of you went down the drain in an SS thread a long time ago when someone pointed out that one of your people line-ups was ridiculous with the fake reflections not matching the line, so the whole effect was absurd. Instead of admitting you had screwed up and pulling the failed picture, you said it was all the fault of a trainee photoshop worker (who I think you named) and that while the picture was rubbish, that might be the sort of thing customers wanted.
In a couple of replies you showed 1) a complete failure to accept that anything you published could be wrong, even though it clearly was; 2) a desire to blame your staff instead of accepting responsibility when things go wrong, however minor the issue might be, and 3) complete contempt for buyers and a willingness to leave them looking like idiots by buying your mistakes.
I've wasted very little time on your pronouncements since then, though I understand you have provided a lot of useful information to people as a part of your self-promotion drive.
No need to do it in private communication, dude. Your latest "microstock fails because I leave" is just part of the observed pattern.

Unfortunately it was the screwup of a trainee photographer. I told him nicely what kind of trouble this caused me and he was very apologetic. He is still part of our team today and teaches our advanced retouching classes. He was 16 years old at the time of the "reflective surface" mistake and was competing internationally on several photoshop competitions. I simply had to be silent about it. The reflections looked crap. Totally. I agree, but I was not going to smooch it into somebodies online reputation at the age of 16. Then I rather take it on myself. Wish I did and which you are now blaming me for.

Thank you for proving my point. It appears under your name. Everything that appears that is good shows how great you are. Everything that is bad is the fault of someone else. It was FOR SALE on SS. And you blamed a photoshop trainee, not the photographer.

Are you serious? I would not want to the under your wing. Have some heart please. Are you suggesting that I be a more evil boss and less forgiving?

« Reply #132 on: July 25, 2013, 16:48 »
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I'm mystified why there is such an obsession with Yuri? He operates a business and makes decisions based on what is best for his business, not other competing photographers. And, yes there is a place for citizen photojournalism ... I've always said an amateur gets lucky and produces a good photo - a pro does it on demand. There will always be a demand for professional photography.

Ron

« Reply #133 on: July 25, 2013, 16:50 »
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I meant:


What are we doing - checking his spelling?


Sorry, English is not my first language either, edited and fixed in my OP

Checking his spelling should be considered a free service. If you are the king of stock and most successful photographer in the world and the one that brought down SS stock and caused the biggest upset in microstock history, you could expect a proofread announcement. Otherwise it just looks so silly.

Ron

« Reply #134 on: July 25, 2013, 16:52 »
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I'm mystified why there is such an obsession with Yuri? He operates a business and makes decisions based on what is best for his business, not other competing photographers. And, yes there is a place for citizen photojournalism ... I've always said an amateur gets lucky and produces a good photo - a pro does it on demand. There will always be a demand for professional photography.
  Did you read the blog? Alexander the Great would feel threatened by so much display of megalomania.  :)

« Reply #135 on: July 25, 2013, 16:53 »
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Yuri, I used to respect you and what you've been able to accomplish in microstock. But the way you've handled this is really disgusting.

Microstock companies gave you the opportunity to become what you are today. Maybe you've outgrown them, but it's really disrespectful to mock these companies on your way out the door, saying things like "professionals work with professionals" and calling your departure "the first substantial setback in microstock history."

You aren't microstock. We all are, and some of us real professionals in microstock wouldn't act like children on our way out the door if we ever opted to move on.

I completely agree. So why do you think I am saying what I do? Think deeper my friend. :)

Well, for a minute I thought you might be trying to get other people to take up the cause, put more pressure on the microstock companies to make changes by getting all of us involved. But I don't think you're ever coming back to microstock so what's the point? Even if you tried, I suspect a lot of companies would tell you to hit the bricks after you publicly mocked them and implied that they aren't professionals.

So what is it? Let's not play a guessing game here. If there is some deeper meaning behind what you've said, just fill us in. Otherwise I'm taking your words at face value. You made a ton of money, moved on, and now openly mock the companies you left behind, the ones that enabled you to grow your business and make millions. What exactly am I missing?

I like your thoughts. I really don't see it the way you do and I don't think you understand the business that we (our images) have created. Do you really think that the optimal price for those images is a 300USD/mth subscription? Am I the only one see this? And yes. It starts by somebody like me saying no thanks.

So how come this haven't bothered you for years and years? I'm guessing it only started to be a problem after sales either stagnated or reduced despite uploading... which means the actual problem is not the business model but the competition.

« Reply #136 on: July 25, 2013, 16:54 »
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The internet is more forgiving of spelling mistakes then ever before. English is being used by so many people online for whom it is not the first language and many of those who are native to English, still dont know how to write.

I really wouldnt worry about that.

« Reply #137 on: July 25, 2013, 16:56 »
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I have a simple question for Yuri:

Do you believe that photographers should go artist exclusive with istock/Getty?

Do you have the impression the company has a successful future and growth ahead of it?

Thanks!

« Reply #138 on: July 25, 2013, 16:56 »
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Having to really nail them is trivial when there are 20+ million images in store.

Due to Pareto's Law only 20% of those 20 million images are selling well and compensating for the remaining 80% of low sellers.

That means 2 millions of top sellers and of those 2 millions 100,000 are Yuri's, that means his portfolio alone impacts an agency like SS for around 5% of their sales but as far as we know it could be even 10-15% !

Of course random buyers will quickly grab the clones but some buyers could go back to istock if they're fans of Yuri and his team.
You seem to forget that the 80/20 split will also apply to Yuri.  So he might only have 20,000 images that sell very well and nearly all of them will be the most copied images on all the sites.

« Reply #139 on: July 25, 2013, 16:57 »
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Well I saw stocks rise and fall, lets wait for Shutterstock To Announce Second Quarter 2013 Earnings Release on August 7, 2013.

And I dont think it will be a disaster as they are the only site for me that is selling images on daily basis even with small portfolio.

« Reply #140 on: July 25, 2013, 16:58 »
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Believe it or not - few of us don't speak Danish. To be honest I find using Danish in this thread impolite.
  It is not necessary to speak Danish. But you can read it anyway. It is somewhere between English and German.

« Reply #141 on: July 25, 2013, 16:59 »
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Do you really think that the optimal price for those images is a 300USD/mth subscription? Am I the only one see this? And yes. It starts by somebody like me saying no thanks.

Welcome to the club. It took you long enough to get here, although I'm not sure about the whole iStock/Getty thing.


Ron

« Reply #142 on: July 25, 2013, 16:59 »
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The internet is more forgiving of spelling mistakes then ever before. English is being used by so many people online for whom it is not the first language and many of those who are native to English, still dont know how to write.

I really wouldnt worry about that.
Every browser has spell check, even blogs have spell check. Just because people write poor English doesnt mean it should become the standard.

« Reply #143 on: July 25, 2013, 16:59 »
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What a narcissist! Sneers at us all over how he won't deal with us, only with "professionals", then can't resist cobbling together some stats that might support the contention that he is god's gift to the universe and can't resist coming to amateursnapperstockgroup.com to brag about his importance.
Sorry, Yuri, didn't you get the message when iStock sacked Sean? Nobody is of any real importance to the stock industry, not Sean and not  you. But don't let that get in the way of your self-esteem.

Hi. Send me an email on wackerhausen@gmail.com and let's discus a bit further. I feel somewhat sad that I can make you explode like this and would like to know why. Are you ok with discussing over email?

I've observed  you over the years. My opinion of you went down the drain in an SS thread a long time ago when someone pointed out that one of your people line-ups was ridiculous with the fake reflections not matching the line, so the whole effect was absurd. Instead of admitting you had screwed up and pulling the failed picture, you said it was all the fault of a trainee photoshop worker (who I think you named) and that while the picture was rubbish, that might be the sort of thing customers wanted.
In a couple of replies you showed 1) a complete failure to accept that anything you published could be wrong, even though it clearly was; 2) a desire to blame your staff instead of accepting responsibility when things go wrong, however minor the issue might be, and 3) complete contempt for buyers and a willingness to leave them looking like idiots by buying your mistakes.
I've wasted very little time on your pronouncements since then, though I understand you have provided a lot of useful information to people as a part of your self-promotion drive.
No need to do it in private communication, dude. Your latest "microstock fails because I leave" is just part of the observed pattern.

Unfortunately it was the screwup of a trainee photographer. I told him nicely what kind of trouble this caused me and he was very apologetic. He is still part of our team today and teaches our advanced retouching classes. He was 16 years old at the time of the "reflective surface" mistake and was competing internationally on several photoshop competitions. I simply had to be silent about it. The reflections looked crap. Totally. I agree, but I was not going to smooch it into somebodies online reputation at the age of 16. Then I rather take it on myself. Wish I did and which you are now blaming me for.

Thank you for proving my point. It appears under your name. Everything that appears that is good shows how great you are. Everything that is bad is the fault of someone else. It was FOR SALE on SS. And you blamed a photoshop trainee, not the photographer.

Are you serious? I would not want to the under your wing. Have some heart please. Are you suggesting that I be a more evil boss and less forgiving?
Actually, you would have liked it under my wing because I took responsibility for my staff's mistakes, so if there had been a problem I would have taken the rap, not you.  I know that is not the fashion among top business people these days.

If you did protect his reputation, you did it by naming a girl photoshop trainee instead of the photographer.

And the mistake was actually yours, for a failure of quality control.

All you actually needed to do was say "I produce a lot of pictures and once in a while something goes wrong, sorry" and then pull the offending picture. That would have solved everything. Instead you insulted buyers and threw blame at staff whom you never acknowledge when things are going right.

The most astonishing thing is that you seem not to be able to understand what I said in the previous posts.  Instead, you are trying to play the "he was only a child, how can you be so nasty to him" card.

Sorry, that's pathetic.

« Reply #144 on: July 25, 2013, 17:00 »
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I'm mystified why there is such an obsession with Yuri? He operates a business and makes decisions based on what is best for his business, not other competing photographers. And, yes there is a place for citizen photojournalism ... I've always said an amateur gets lucky and produces a good photo - a pro does it on demand. There will always be a demand for professional photography.
  Did you read the blog? Alexander the Great would feel threatened by so much display of megalomania.  :)

Indeed I did. It's an advertising piece for and by Yuri. What would you expect from company advertising? Most companies churn out PR bumf non-stop. I know, because a ton of it lands in my in box. His company is no exception.

Yuri_Arcurs

  • One Crazy PhotoManic MadPerson
« Reply #145 on: July 25, 2013, 17:01 »
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I have a simple question for Yuri:

Do you believe that photographers should go artist exclusive with istock/Getty?

Do you have the impression the company has a successful future and growth ahead of it?

Thanks!

They know the most about the business of selling stock images. The rest are still just catching up. It never really was fair game, but we all signed up to play along.

« Reply #146 on: July 25, 2013, 17:03 »
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Believe it or not - few of us don't speak Danish. To be honest I find using Danish in this thread impolite.
  It is not necessary to speak Danish. But you can read it anyway. It is somewhere between English and German.
True. Now I can read it. In fact any language is somewhere between English, German, Russian, Chinese and Hungarian.

ShadySue

« Reply #147 on: July 25, 2013, 17:05 »
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2) a desire to blame your staff instead of accepting responsibility when things go wrong, however minor the issue might be,
He does have a history of that.
When he was outed for having some (just a few IIRC) RM pics on Alamy which were also RF elsewhere, he blamed his staff.
Clearly, he doesn't believe in 'the buck stops here'.

Yuri_Arcurs

  • One Crazy PhotoManic MadPerson
« Reply #148 on: July 25, 2013, 17:06 »
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What a narcissist! Sneers at us all over how he won't deal with us, only with "professionals", then can't resist cobbling together some stats that might support the contention that he is god's gift to the universe and can't resist coming to amateursnapperstockgroup.com to brag about his importance.
Sorry, Yuri, didn't you get the message when iStock sacked Sean? Nobody is of any real importance to the stock industry, not Sean and not  you. But don't let that get in the way of your self-esteem.

Hi. Send me an email on wackerhausen@gmail.com and let's discus a bit further. I feel somewhat sad that I can make you explode like this and would like to know why. Are you ok with discussing over email?

I've observed  you over the years. My opinion of you went down the drain in an SS thread a long time ago when someone pointed out that one of your people line-ups was ridiculous with the fake reflections not matching the line, so the whole effect was absurd. Instead of admitting you had screwed up and pulling the failed picture, you said it was all the fault of a trainee photoshop worker (who I think you named) and that while the picture was rubbish, that might be the sort of thing customers wanted.
In a couple of replies you showed 1) a complete failure to accept that anything you published could be wrong, even though it clearly was; 2) a desire to blame your staff instead of accepting responsibility when things go wrong, however minor the issue might be, and 3) complete contempt for buyers and a willingness to leave them looking like idiots by buying your mistakes.
I've wasted very little time on your pronouncements since then, though I understand you have provided a lot of useful information to people as a part of your self-promotion drive.
No need to do it in private communication, dude. Your latest "microstock fails because I leave" is just part of the observed pattern.

Unfortunately it was the screwup of a trainee photographer. I told him nicely what kind of trouble this caused me and he was very apologetic. He is still part of our team today and teaches our advanced retouching classes. He was 16 years old at the time of the "reflective surface" mistake and was competing internationally on several photoshop competitions. I simply had to be silent about it. The reflections looked crap. Totally. I agree, but I was not going to smooch it into somebodies online reputation at the age of 16. Then I rather take it on myself. Wish I did and which you are now blaming me for.

Thank you for proving my point. It appears under your name. Everything that appears that is good shows how great you are. Everything that is bad is the fault of someone else. It was FOR SALE on SS. And you blamed a photoshop trainee, not the photographer.

Are you serious? I would not want to the under your wing. Have some heart please. Are you suggesting that I be a more evil boss and less forgiving?
Actually, you would have liked it under my wing because I took responsibility for my staff's mistakes, so if there had been a problem I would have taken the rap, not you.  I know that is not the fashion among top business people these days.

If you did protect his reputation, you did it by naming a girl photoshop trainee instead of the photographer.

And the mistake was actually yours, for a failure of quality control.

All you actually needed to do was say "I produce a lot of pictures and once in a while something goes wrong, sorry" and then pull the offending picture. That would have solved everything. Instead you insulted buyers and threw blame at staff whom you never acknowledge when things are going right.

The most astonishing thing is that you seem not to be able to understand what I said in the previous posts.  Instead, you are trying to play the "he was only a child, how can you be so nasty to him" card.

Sorry, that's pathetic.

Ok. You got me a bit upset. I posted my phone number just a few post's ago. Please call me and I will get the "photoshop trainee" on the call and we can ask him directly what he thought of my handling of the situation. If you really want to call me, let's do exactly that. Call me!

« Reply #149 on: July 25, 2013, 17:07 »
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Yuri,

It is a very confident blog, maybe too confident (being diplomatic). I have no axe to grind with you and I am not jealous of your success as stock is a hobby for me. You earned your success.

I don't see mobiles being the future as you do. Quality is not good enough. There is money to be made if you are in the right place at the right time like citizen journalism.

My experience is when a leader in a field leaves then someone fills the gaps. Everyone is replaceable. The world moves on and adapts.

If you can take loyal customers with you and earn more money when the stock industry appears to be racing to the bottom, then good luck to you.

« Last Edit: July 25, 2013, 17:10 by uvox4 »


 

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