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farbled

« Reply #675 on: August 13, 2013, 10:30 »
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I'd bet that creation and growth of Symbiostock image pool, along with withdrawal of those images from the agencies, will have much stronger and more lasting effect on many agencies than any single contributor who enters or leaves an agency.
I don't think any successful agency will notice or care about Symbiostock unless/until some of the bigger names in MS start pulling their portfolios. I just can't see it happening. The numbers of images online is in the tens of millions and will only get higher. That said, I think when Sym people start posting consistent sales we'll see more middlemen jump into the mix with commission schemes and add-ons. Perhaps agencies will try and find some kind of bridge program for a commission for steering customers our way or something.

As far as Yuri Arcurs goes, I haven't really seen hardly anyone upset at his successes. I just think a lot of us expected that he'd be a bit humbler about it. I used to think he was "one of us" who made it to the top, and perhaps he was in the early years. Now I don't (after reading his recent posts and blog article). It's too bad because he had the potential to make some positive changes for photographers in this industry. I wish him luck with the sale/move of his collection.


« Reply #676 on: August 13, 2013, 10:57 »
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I think when Sym people start posting consistent sales...

Every month I look to see if the Self-Hosted option jumped into the mix on the poll to the right.

« Reply #677 on: August 13, 2013, 11:34 »
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I can't help but think that with Yuri's background in psychology, he's playing a game with us here.  This forum has an anti Getty/istock bias and Yuri going exclusive was never going to make him more popular.  Then he invests in a site that could potentially damage microstock.  So now he can play games, as he's no longer the independent microstockers hero.  I find it hard to believe he wouldn't of been aware of the reaction he would get to his statement and some of his recent posts here.

With all due respect I would not consider BA in psychology in some Danish school a <<psychology background>>
Utterly disrespectful.

I agree here. Many things can be said about me, but that the line of psychology at Aarhus University is "second grade" is very untrue. To enter, you have to be in the top 2% (top 1% for most districts). Some respect is deserved here :)

Then as a psychologist you should be perfectly familiar that we are living in fake left brain society , that top 2% or any top they invent is really worth as much as an individual is willing to accept it , and that the real treats are hiding in the subsumed side...and conciseness which is above all we know simply cant be measured with numbers.  ;D










« Reply #678 on: August 13, 2013, 11:54 »
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The problem with that message is that it insults al Danes with an education and all Danish educational institutions.
And the bullet misses Yuri, and hits others instead. So you get all Danes alianated. Me included.

Compares to say: " So you have a degree from an American university, but we all know how useless they are".

See?

Was that the intent?



« Reply #679 on: August 13, 2013, 13:03 »
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The problem with that message is that it insults al Danes with an education and all Danish educational institutions.
And the bullet misses Yuri, and hits others instead. So you get all Danes alianated. Me included.

Compares to say: " So you have a degree from an American university, but we all know how useless they are".

See?

Was that the intent?

No, the intent was to stop glorifying everything about Yuri and everything he says. Soon you be praising his primary school as he got some 'background' there.
And this whole argument is not about Yuri's success. It's great for him that he has had talents to become a successful photographer-businessman.
It is the discouragement that he, having all the means, did not do anything positive about the community (forget all his blogs or keywording tools - it was to gain attention to his websites and ventures - free SEO). Rather opposite - he raises the stink and panic around our small businesses and microstock.
Not humble, super high ego'ed person portraying himself as the king. This is the whole image I got about him, now after 8 years in this business.

« Last Edit: August 13, 2013, 13:06 by niserin »

tab62

« Reply #680 on: August 13, 2013, 13:27 »
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Do you think it might be time to bring closure to this string?

« Reply #681 on: August 13, 2013, 17:05 »
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Talking about influencing company stock price:
Today, Carl Icahn announced a large investment in Apple, and promptly pushed its stock price by $22.21.
If you had a modest portfolio of 500 Apple shares, you would have made over $11,000 just in one day.  Beats taking and submitting pictures of isolated tomatoes.

I liked his quote, that some people get rich studying artificial intelligence, while he makes money by studying natural stupidity.


 
 

Ron

« Reply #682 on: August 13, 2013, 17:11 »
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Talking about influencing company stock price:
Today, Carl Icahn announced a large investment in Apple, and promptly pushed its stock price by $22.21.
If you had a modest portfolio of 500 Apple shares, you would have made over $11,000 just in one day.  Beats taking and submitting pictures of isolated tomatoes.

I liked his quote, that some people get rich studying artificial intelligence, while he makes money by studying natural stupidity.

You act like having 250.000 dollar locked up in shares is the most normal thing in the world. How many people can afford 500 Apple shares? You've lost touch with reality.

« Reply #683 on: August 13, 2013, 17:20 »
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Depends when you bought the shares.  They were cheap at one time, when Apple were about as popular as Kodak are now.

Ron

« Reply #684 on: August 13, 2013, 17:24 »
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Depends when you bought the shares.  They were cheap at one time, when Apple were about as popular as Kodak are now.
If you bought them that cheap, you would have sold when they were over 500 dollars and be * juice from a pineapple on a stock photo immaculate beach with palmtrees and saturated blue skies.

« Reply #685 on: August 13, 2013, 17:27 »
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Depends when you bought the shares.  They were cheap at one time, when Apple were about as popular as Kodak are now.

not to mention that apple shares were at 630$ (1 year ago)

I believe it is ridiculous to compare doing microstock to buying shares...

« Reply #686 on: August 13, 2013, 17:44 »
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You act like having 250.000 dollar locked up in shares is the most normal thing in the world. How many people can afford 500 Apple shares? You've lost touch with reality.

Loosen up, Ron, don't take everything so seriously. You wouldn't want me to append those funny round emoticons to my posts, would you? That could insult intelligence of some readers here. Actually, when I think of it, some people could make even more money by selling their camera equipment.

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not to mention that apple shares were at 630$ (1 year ago)
I believe it is ridiculous to compare doing microstock to buying shares...

Luis, to be precise, less than a year ago, those shares were actually over $700. And some "investment experts" predicted that they would soar to $1500 (same experts who corrected themselves as the share price was falling and subsequently forecasted $300/share). Certain Cramer made very similar predictions.

As to the "ridiculous" - I prefer the word "fun".

Guys, you may be spending too much time looking into that little viewfinder.
« Last Edit: August 13, 2013, 18:32 by LesPalenik »

« Reply #687 on: August 13, 2013, 18:08 »
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1 - I know how to read a graphic as well
2 - if it is that easy why are you wasting time doing microstock?
3 - on August 13th 2012 they were exactly 630$

« Last Edit: August 13, 2013, 18:11 by luissantos84 »

« Reply #688 on: August 13, 2013, 18:14 »
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If you had a modest portfolio of 500 Apple shares, you would have made over $11,000 just in one day. 

Firstly $250K of Apple shares is hardly 'modest'. Assuming a balanced portfolio of no more than 10% in any one investment it suggests a 'modest' $2.5M in overall savings.

Apart from that you would also have lost a lot more than $11K if you'd bought your 500 Apple shares at their peak of $700. A 'snapshot' of what might have happened if you'd done this or that on one particular day is pointless and irrelevant ... unless you actually did it.

« Reply #689 on: August 13, 2013, 18:26 »
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1 - I know how to read a graphic as well
2 - if it is that easy why are you wasting time doing microstock?
3 - on August 13th 2012 they were exactly 630$

Luis, I never said anything about anything being easy. I wouldn't say it even in a female company.

To paraphrase a certain well used quote on microstock forums, there are certain rules:
1. stock prices go up and they go down.
2. In doubt, look up rule 1.

However, one could say, that in contrast to microstock statistics that aim for absolute comparisons for specific dates and months, in investment world acting on peaks and valleys works out usually better than arbitrary dates. Write it down.

Now, if you prefer to buy and sell stocks on specific dates so you can track precisely BME and WME numbers, that's absolutely permissible.
For instance, if had bought that stock yesterday and sold it today, you could have scored BDE.

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Firstly $250K of Apple shares is hardly 'modest'. Assuming a balanced portfolio of no more than 10% in any one investment it suggests a 'modest' $2.5M in overall savings.

That approach would require a fairly balanced investor. Not someone who likes to gamble on microstock.
I admit, "modest" may be not the right word when mentioning 500 Apple shares, but I do like the sound of it.

Gostwyck, you should loosen up, too. Are all the posters here so serious? Read my reply to Ron.

« Last Edit: August 13, 2013, 18:55 by LesPalenik »

mlwinphoto

« Reply #690 on: August 13, 2013, 18:31 »
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Nice of you to check in Yuri and I applaud your success. I am frustrated with iStock's current silence but understand your move. Now my question is what are you willing to do for the photo community at iStock?

Why should he do anything for the photo community at iStock?  He's in this for himself, as he should be.  In a way we are all competing against one another at iStock and everywhere else for that matter.  Helping out the 'competition' may not be in his best interest.
Bottom line, it's a 'dog eat dog world' and 'every man for himself' cliched existence in the world of stock photography.
Isn't it obvious that iStock is in this to make money for itself and the contributor be damned.? 

« Reply #691 on: August 13, 2013, 18:44 »
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if had bought that stock yesterday and sold it today, you could have scored BDE.

if I had wings I would fly too


Batman

« Reply #692 on: August 13, 2013, 18:57 »
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Yuri, thanks for checking back in despite the hostility surrounding this place.

Very true, some people get really worked up about other's accomplishments.

Regrettably, in addition to the contextual venom, now we have to put up also with visual affront. I've been always allergic to blazing red blobs - whether it was the Red Square flags used to push communistic propaganda or blood spilled by a portuguese torero.
 

You honestly don't see the real reason why there's some hostility to Yuri now?  Its like a politician switching sides.  After years and years of telling people that its best to be non-exclusive, he does a deal and now exclusivity is suddenly the best option.  At the moment, he's exclusive and non-exclusive at the same time.  Some of his comments here have been in bad taste, so he's going to get some back.  It happens to lots of people in forums, not just the high achievers.


Here's what he said and it's not what you said it is. http://arcurs.com/2009/04/non-exclusivity-has-its-benefits/

"So, to sum up, my vote is in and its for non-exclusivity for the time being. Only six months ago however, my vote would have been for exclusivity. Things change fast in the microstock business. There are nice bonuses afforded to exclusives, but when it comes right down to dollars and cents, its not worth it for the time being. "

You put words in his mouth from your imagination.

lisafx

« Reply #693 on: August 13, 2013, 18:59 »
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Loosen up, Ron, don't take everything so seriously. You wouldn't want me to append those funny round emoticons to my posts, would you? That could insult intelligence of some readers here. Actually, when I think of it, some people could make even more money by selling their camera equipment.

SNIP

Guys, you may be spending too much time looking into that little viewfinder.

I certainly don't feel my intelligence is insulted when someone uses emoticons to make it clear they are joking or having "fun".  Now I am devastated to learn that I have been insulting people's intelligence when I use them.   
:o  :-[  (<- interpret those however you choose)

Maybe if I want to insult people I should just take a cue from your last (italicized) remark.  :P

« Reply #694 on: August 13, 2013, 19:02 »
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"You put words in his mouth from your imagination."

Actions speak louder...

« Reply #695 on: August 13, 2013, 19:03 »
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Lisa,
that would be like going to those pre-recorded comedy shows and wait for the showmaster's cues when to start laughing.

You won't see any big LOLs or small yellow circles in my posts. But after a while you'll get a feel when to smile and when to cry.
« Last Edit: August 13, 2013, 19:08 by LesPalenik »

« Reply #696 on: August 13, 2013, 19:28 »
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That approach would require a fairly balanced investor. Not someone who likes to gamble on microstock.

How do you 'gamble' on microstock? Where are the odds displayed? What on earth are you talking about?

« Reply #697 on: August 13, 2013, 19:59 »
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Ok, as fun as this thread is :)  I think maybe it's time to call it a night.

We can discuss the 1000 other side topics this thread has touched upon in their own threads.


 

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