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Beppe Grillo

« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2013, 06:54 »
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Don't worry - in my old school, I always told the kids it's fine to use Google images for school projects, but not in real life later one,

Hmm, I think that if you take some habit at school it is difficult to change it after
(School should be the place where you learn what to do, how to do it, and why to do it - Just my opinion)


ShadySue

« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2013, 07:14 »
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Don't worry - in my old school, I always told the kids it's fine to use Google images for school projects, but not in real life later one,

Hmm, I think that if you take some habit at school it is difficult to change it after
(School should be the place where you learn what to do, how to do it, and why to do it - Just my opinion)
Why would you lie to pupils? That is the Law, at least in the UK (for teachers in lesson planning also). If they catch you lying, they never believe anything you say again.
Where are pupils supposed to get a credit card to buy images? In Scotland, suggesting their parents would buy photos to put in homework would be 'an unusual way to hand in your notice', and in the school I taught in, at least half of the parents wouldn't have had credit cards anyway.
What academic credit would a child get for buying images: "I have relatively well-off parents"
Of course, we told them about CC, but now with GLOW, assuming it has grown so that plenty of new, more suitable images are there, it's moot.

Beppe Grillo

« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2013, 08:01 »
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Don't worry - in my old school, I always told the kids it's fine to use Google images for school projects, but not in real life later one,

Hmm, I think that if you take some habit at school it is difficult to change it after
(School should be the place where you learn what to do, how to do it, and why to do it - Just my opinion)
Why would you lie to pupils? That is the Law, at least in the UK (for teachers in lesson planning also). If they catch you lying, they never believe anything you say again.
Where are pupils supposed to get a credit card to buy images? In Scotland, suggesting their parents would buy photos to put in homework would be 'an unusual way to hand in your notice', and in the school I taught in, at least half of the parents wouldn't have had credit cards anyway.
What academic credit would a child get for buying images: "I have relatively well-off parents"
Of course, we told them about CC, but now with GLOW, assuming it has grown so that plenty of new, more suitable images are there, it's moot.

Nooo!
Probably you have misunderstood me (sorry, my english is not so good to explain me correctly)
I would not lie to pupils, it is exactly the contrary.
What I mean is that we cannot tell them that it is okay for school and not okay for the real life.
If it is not okay for the real life it is not okay for school too.
We cannot apply "2 weights and 2 measures" (too much people do this in real life, and guess why?)
What pupils learn at school conditions them for all the rest of the life.
If at school they learn to behave in one way, they will behave in the same way in the real life.


And nobody should oblige pupils to use photos taken by others for their school work.
1) they can draw, and this will develop their skill and creativity
2) they can make their photos by themselves, or with the help of an adult, as today almost everybody has a little camera of a phone with camera. And this will develop their skills and creativity too, teaching them that if they want something the best way is to do it themselves till they stay in the legality.

ShadySue

« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2013, 08:20 »
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Don't worry - in my old school, I always told the kids it's fine to use Google images for school projects, but not in real life later one,

Hmm, I think that if you take some habit at school it is difficult to change it after
(School should be the place where you learn what to do, how to do it, and why to do it - Just my opinion)
Why would you lie to pupils? That is the Law, at least in the UK (for teachers in lesson planning also). If they catch you lying, they never believe anything you say again.
Where are pupils supposed to get a credit card to buy images? In Scotland, suggesting their parents would buy photos to put in homework would be 'an unusual way to hand in your notice', and in the school I taught in, at least half of the parents wouldn't have had credit cards anyway.
What academic credit would a child get for buying images: "I have relatively well-off parents"
Of course, we told them about CC, but now with GLOW, assuming it has grown so that plenty of new, more suitable images are there, it's moot.

Nooo!
Probably you have misunderstood me (sorry, my english is not so good to explain me correctly)
I would not lie to pupils, it is exactly the contrary.
What I mean is that we cannot tell them that it is okay for school and not okay for the real life.
If it is not okay for the real life it is not okay for school too.
We cannot apply "2 weights and 2 measures" (too much people do this in real life, and guess why?)
What pupils learn at school conditions them for all the rest of the life.
If at school they learn to behave in one way, they will behave in the same way in the real life.


And nobody should oblige pupils to use photos taken by others for their school work.
1) they can draw, and this will develop their skill and creativity
2) they can make their photos by themselves, or with the help of an adult, as today almost everybody has a little camera of a phone with camera. And this will develop their skills and creativity too, teaching them that if they want something the best way is to do it themselves till they stay in the legality.

The law in the UK is that it is OK to use films strictly for educational use, i.e. pupils for preparing homework, and teachers in preparing classwork (but not if writing a textbook, presumably). I accept it may not be so in other countries, I have no idea.
1. In my subject, ability to draw was not assessible, which was just as well as I can't draw. In any case, they would need to source reference photos, unless their subject was available locally. As a teacher, you have to be very careful what the objectives/outcomes of your own subject exercises are, and not to tread on the toes of other departments, e.g. Art and Design.
2. Education, in secondary and tertiary contexts, often takes pupils out of their local experience. It would be impossible to take a photo of e.g. the Amazon Rainforest, an erupting Volcano or an Indri if you live in Scotland.



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« Reply #29 on: June 13, 2013, 12:56 »
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Sad to read. I like the site and their fair pay. I got a payout a few months ago. Sales are growing slowly.  Hoping they can hang in there and fix what the Google gods broke.

GL contributors check your site mail, there is a new message waiting. I don't want to post the whole thing here, figure that is up to the staff at GL to do if they want. But in short, here is some of it:

In January 2013, Google announced their new image search functionality. This new format has significantly hindered our traffic and sales.

As a fair trade contributor site, it is very important to us to maintain the current contributors commission rate of 52%, so we will have to make adjustments in other areas. Effective June 1, 2013 we will be executing the following changes:

1. Suspending the seller referral earnings program
2. Significantly reducing our review team and staff
3. Postponing new contributor admittance


They term it a "temporary downsizing". I know a lot of people have tried to get behind GL, especially during the istock D-Day debacle, but it seems one change in Google has impacted dramatically.

I hope they can come out of it ok.


 

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