Author Topic: 3d render (Read 9891 times)

mtkang · « **on:** November 12, 2010, 02:19 »

hi all,

I saw some very good rendering images that looks like a photos, when i browse around internet.

It seems some of them are using 3ds max, and i checked out the website there are 3ds max and 3ds max design, it mentions one is more for animation, and one is more for product design. Does it really make a lot of difference? basically i would like to render some interior design, but may try to make some game style figures or even animation, so does it mean i need both to do it?

I saw most interior design is with V-ray, so i need this software to integrate with 3ds max to achieve some realistic lighting?

what kind of software u are using?

thanks.

dnavarrojr · « **Reply #1 on:** November 12, 2010, 07:24 »

I got 3D Studio Max about 5 years ago through my local college bookstore when I was a student. I found the interface difficult to use and eventually gave up on using it. Since I got the student version, I am unable to use it for commercial projects so all I really use it for these days are converting .MAX files to other formats I can use.

A couple years later I got Cinema 4D through college when I was taking some motion graphics classes and got After Effects. The workflow was similar, so I ended up actually learning and using C4D. Even better, when I upgraded from the student version to the full version, Maxon gave me a great deal... So I've been a C4D user ever since. I wish I could say the same for Adobe... They love college students, until they graduate... Fortunately I was able to win a full copy of CS4 at my local Adobe User's Group christmas party a couple years ago.

Microbius · « **Reply #2 on:** November 12, 2010, 07:33 »

I also use cinema 4d. They did a promo where if you had another 3D package you could get Cinema 4D at a big discount so I got Z-Brush and Cinema 4D (just the core package) for the same price I would normally have had to pay for just Cinema 4D.
Most 3D software is modular in some way, so you have to pay for different "parts", like a better renderer or hair module etc. Check what comes with the design and animation versions of 3ds Max, they probably have the same core but different modules expanding the functionality of the program.
There are loads of modules for C4D I want but I can't justify the expense right now!

molka · « **Reply #3 on:** November 12, 2010, 07:45 »

You don't need to integrate anything, the newer versions of 3dmax come with mental ray that does great renders if handled properly, but rendering does takes a lot of time. ( a lot more than shooting and editing a photograph )

michaeldb · « **Reply #4 on:** November 12, 2010, 11:23 »

Quote from: molka on November 12, 2010, 07:45

You don't need to integrate anything, the newer versions of 3dmax come with mental ray that does great renders if handled properly,

Mentalray does come with MAX, but the vast majority of professionals use VRay to render.

Check out the Autodesk site for the differences between 3DS Max and 3DS Max Design. I believe that 3DS Max Design is mostly for architects. I am pretty sure that what you want is regular 3DS Max, NOT 3DS Max Design.

On choosing 3D rendering software: If you have the money (Max+VRay will cost you about $4500, I think), Max is the industry standard for general polygonal modeling, rendering, and games. (Autodesk Maya is the standard for 3D animation; Rhino is the standard for NURBS modeling). If you don't have the money for Max, check out C4D (as mentioned in the posts above) or Modo, by Luxology.

Magnum · « **Reply #5 on:** November 12, 2010, 14:08 »

I´ve got 3ds max design. As far as I know 99% of all the animation tools are available there as well. You´ve got tons of tutorials and free awesome plugins on the internet for max. That´s a big plus.

Price is the negative part, but be glad you don´t live where I live. Max cost around $5000 here in Sweden:( plus vray $1000

mtkang · « **Reply #6 on:** November 13, 2010, 04:46 »

sound like software cost and a good hardware is something to consider.

thanks all for sharing.

mtkang · « **Reply #7 on:** November 21, 2010, 09:14 »

Hi all, i am thinking of getting a laptop for everyday use. I notice that some laptop are with no graphic card? or it means the graphic card is integrated with motherboard?

so far i had no problem to do things like photoshop and illustrator on laptop with 2G ram, but for rendering, do i need to get a good graphic card to render a better jpg images? is there a difference of using a common laptop and a laptop with a good graphic card?

thanks.

Magnum · « **Reply #8 on:** November 21, 2010, 10:38 »

Gpu based rendering is coming fast. Renderengines like vray have it in their next version 2.0. with good cards the rendering can be many times faster than cpu. (Although it has it´s limits today)

You´d get along fine without it though, depending on how serious you are with 3d. Everything you see up til today is done without cpu rendering...

I wouldn´t get a laptop for 3d work. It´s way to uncomfortable sitting in front of. And belive me, 3d takes a lot of sitting in front of. I´d get atleast a i7 with minimum 6G ram and an average Graphics card ( ask software company what´s best).

michaeldb · « **Reply #9 on:** November 21, 2010, 13:50 »

Quote from: Magnum on November 21, 2010, 10:38

Gpu based rendering is coming fast. Renderengines like vray have it in their next version 2.0. with good cards the rendering can be many times faster than cpu.

This is correct and something to consider. Right now, most or all rendering engines which use graphics cards require you to have a card which is CUDA compliant. Probably that means an NVIDIA card. So you should do a little research on that when planning your hardware purchases.

mtkang · « **Reply #10 on:** November 22, 2010, 00:54 »

so it sounds that the rendering results will be same without additional graphic card, just the time is longer?

does 3ds max run on a mac computer? i saw their faq saying one can install it on a Windows system partition, with boot camp of a mac. Does it run slower?

michaeldb · « **Reply #11 on:** November 22, 2010, 12:43 »

Quote from: mtkang on November 22, 2010, 00:54

so it sounds that the rendering results will be same without additional graphic card, just the time is longer?

does 3ds max run on a mac computer? i saw their faq saying one can install it on a Windows system partition, with boot camp of a mac. Does it run slower?

I think that the new rendering engines which use graphic cards, such as Thea Render, will only work using the graphics card. I don't know about future versions of Mental Ray and the other rendering engines which come with 3D software, surely at least some versions of them will continue to work with just the main system.

From the Autodesk FAQ (I have never owned an Apple computer so I don't really know anything about this)
Can I install Autodesk 3ds Max on a Mac?
Yes, you can install Autodesk® 3ds Max® 2010 software on a Macintosh® computer on a Windows® operating system
partition. The system must use Boot Camp or Parallels Desktop 4.0 for Mac to manage a dual OS configuration and
meet the minimum system requirements.

heywoody · « **Reply #12 on:** November 22, 2010, 13:56 »

If you are not already an expert, Vue is worth checking out - cost is a fraction of some of the others and it's perfectly viable for simple stock type images, There is a fully functional evaluation version available for free @ www.cornucopia3d.com (limited resolution watermarked images). Not much use for modelling other than basic manipulation of primitives but wings3d is a good free subdivision modelling tool. You do need decent computing power for complex renders but I get by with an old laptop. Of course, if you have loads of money....

dnavarrojr · « **Reply #13 on:** November 23, 2010, 00:19 »

Actually, I do most of my "design work" in Cinema 4D on my laptop. Once I've finished it, I transfer it to my desktop for final render. Doing the design on my laptop gives me great freedom to work anywhere.

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