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Noedelhap

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« on: November 09, 2015, 08:11 »
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The presumed copycat image, uploaded Feb 23, 2012:
http://cutcaster.com/vector/901556430-Office-Hours/#S1511006

My image, uploaded Oct 26, 2011:
http://cutcaster.com/vector/901344813-Man-behind-a-computer-working-9-to-5/

I see a close resemblance, including some very specific details (hands, clock, paper stack). It's the only image in his portfolio that seems derived from one of my images, but he might be copying others as well.

His portfolio: http://cutcaster.com/search/?seller=25292#searchID=1511017&sortby=relevance&seller=25292


« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2015, 09:18 »
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this guy is an interesting one
Because, it seems he knows how to draw...but..still he gets stuff from your work and put on his work???

If you google his name, you will find his website, where he claims he is a graphic designer, and he creates most of his work in Inkscape...and he is in the Czech Republic. The first page is in english the of the pages in czech.

But, what are the stock companies saying to you? Are they investigating or they find this okay?


Noedelhap

  • www.colincramm.com

« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2015, 09:37 »
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this guy is an interesting one
Because, it seems he knows how to draw...but..still he gets stuff from your work and put on his work???

If you google his name, you will find his website, where he claims he is a graphic designer, and he creates most of his work in Inkscape...and he is in the Czech Republic. The first page is in english the of the pages in czech.

But, what are the stock companies saying to you? Are they investigating or they find this okay?



I just found out, haven't reported him yet. Wanted to find out if it's just an incident, or if he's copied others as well. His other work seems to be genuine.

« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2015, 10:16 »
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Slightly off topic, but how does cutcaster perform for illustration?

« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2015, 10:58 »
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That guy's portfolio is a puzzle. He's at Shutterstock, 123rf, Canstock (probably others but I just checked out the first few). He doesn't seem to have one clear style - there's a little bit of everything. Hearts with wings background; a tree with hearts for leaves; three crosses on a hill with a sunburst background and so on.

I didn't see anything else of yours copied - and he's done a bit of reworking rather just a straight trace of the man at the computer image. He has some vector dog sketches that look to me as if he were trying out something quickly - not very polished. He has some photos mixed in with his vectors - again, nothing special.

When I did a quick search on the tree with hearts on Shutterstock, there are over 10K vectors with "tree heart valentine" and "heart wing valentine" had about 19K - if he has copied something there, I don't have the patience to look :)

Seems to me he's just trying out a bunch of things to see what sells. If you're up for it, perhaps contact him and ask him to remove it or do something to make it more his own and then upload. He might just have skated too close to the line when trying out something new rather than being a blatant leach ripping off other people's hard work.

« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2015, 11:05 »
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like in music, no one owns the rights to rhythm changes , even melody,...
or else beethoven , gershwin, elmore james, etc would be suing 80% of jazz blues and pop.
and yuri and jslocke etc would be suing 80% of business microstock images

it's different if they took your work and transform it into illustration,
as a derivative or whatever they call it.  you could have been getting your ideas
from the same source as the other person(s).

as they say in songwriter seminar, nothing is new , so don't claim to be original

furthermore, not everyone is a stylist . even gershwin has certain songs in the repertoire
that is not in his style.  a person can be a generalist, as it is more likely to succeed
in microstock these days.

back to music... many music of today are being churned out by computers.
they may not be worth listening as they lack soul , but they are not illegal
much in the way chick corea ripped off rodrigo aranjuez. he didn't steal it
illegally.

« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2015, 11:26 »
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He could of made this more his own.  I don't know if the sites will say this is different enough but it would annoy me. Not even changing the time on the clock is just taking the p.   I saw someone copying some of my photos but was told that they were different enough and wouldn't be removed.  So I don't do anything like that now, total waste of time coming up with something the sites don't have only to find it gets copied to death.

« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2015, 11:51 »
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He could of made this more his own.  I don't know if the sites will say this is different enough but it would annoy me. Not even changing the time on the clock is just taking the p.   I saw someone copying some of my photos but was told that they were different enough and wouldn't be removed.  So I don't do anything like that now, total waste of time coming up with something the sites don't have only to find it gets copied to death.

agree too. but here's something , once again said during a songwriting convention, .." it is actually more difficult to outrightly copy someone else's work than create your own".
... "so why would anyone with grey matter between their ears want to do such a self-degrading thing
so as to copy someone else?"

at that time, someone in the audience said, " led zeppelin and 90% of the british blues bands will disagree with you".
 
same thing here in microstock. who in the right mind prefers to copy??? so really, take it as
their loss, not yours
because you can always roll your own (weed) and still look different 8)

« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2015, 13:26 »
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https://www.google.it/search?q=la+linea+fumetto&safe=off&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CB8QsARqFQoTCMynl8P5g8kCFQv9cgod9qwGYA&biw=1400&bih=948#imgrc=_

Here some picture of the first who create "only one line" animated strips and cartoon! It is famous italian artist, named Osvaldo Cavandoli "Cava"

« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2015, 16:15 »
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If you're up for it, perhaps contact him and ask him to remove it or do something to make it more his own and then upload. He might just have skated too close to the line when trying out something new rather than being a blatant leach ripping off other people's hard work.

again, as a contributor i agree with joanne. but again as someone who at the beginning also thought others were copying me, i can see the other side too.  the thing is,
even the great bob dylan was said to rip off the great japanese ancient poetry in his work.
so really, no one is ripping anybody off unless you have proof. actual proof.

because if i were that person and you actually wrote to me to take off certain works you think i stole from you... i would outrightly tell you to go m*sturb*te in a corner because who do you think you are?  yuri arcurs, sj locke, dolgachov???  or even rembrandt, da vinci, ... ansel adams, etc???

we all copied someone sometime. unless you are one of those i mentioned , or in the calibre of those ppl, i wouldn't assume someone is copying you. why would they?
if i wanted to copy anyone, i would copy the top sellers. 8) 8) 8) 8)

« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2015, 16:20 »
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I would say annoying but he hasn't actually nicked the work. I am not sure what you can do. I think only the "old" istock would have done something about it. Now I can't see any of the agencies caring.

Bear in mind he could have seen your work in use and made a mental note not realising you are even on the stock sites.

« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2015, 22:35 »
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Is'nt copying the best form of flattery.

I think you are drawing a bit of a long bow here, I seen some of my images online on other microstock site for licensing then when I have a detailed look they are just a little different and unless this person as actually copied your work in it's entirety then it is not your work.

Perhaps you should take strength from it because they have got inspiration from your work.

« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2015, 03:38 »
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your report will have any consequences for him... would be just a waste of your time

« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2015, 03:54 »
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He could of made this more his own.  I don't know if the sites will say this is different enough but it would annoy me. Not even changing the time on the clock is just taking the p.   I saw someone copying some of my photos but was told that they were different enough and wouldn't be removed.  So I don't do anything like that now, total waste of time coming up with something the sites don't have only to find it gets copied to death.

agree too. but here's something , once again said during a songwriting convention, .." it is actually more difficult to outrightly copy someone else's work than create your own".
... "so why would anyone with grey matter between their ears want to do such a self-degrading thing
so as to copy someone else?"

at that time, someone in the audience said, " led zeppelin and 90% of the british blues bands will disagree with you".
 
same thing here in microstock. who in the right mind prefers to copy??? so really, take it as
their loss, not yours
because you can always roll your own (weed) and still look different 8)
How much have Led Zeppelin paid out in settlements?  The family of Marvin Gaye recently won a big legal case, and Tom Petty and Jeff Lynne are now co-writers of "Stay with me".  Two of the writers of "The air that I breathe" were made co-writers of "Creep" by Radiohead.  George Harrison lost three-quarters of the royalty revenue raised in North America from "My Sweet Lord", as well as a significant proportion from the All Things Must Pass album.

So I think if you want to compare images to music, people making images that are obviously based on another persons work and wouldn't of been made if they hadn't seen them first,  should pay a price.

« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2015, 04:22 »
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Best of luck sunshine, all the people you quoted are international celebrities with huge music companies and corporatre lawyers behind them.


 

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