Quote from: luissantos84 on June 19, 2010, 02:29

Quote from: pancaketom on June 19, 2010, 02:07
Simple math, at 100$ a month from the buyers, how much do you think they will be able to pay out to the photographers? Unless there are a lot of buyers coming from somewhere (hopefully not the places that pay us more now), I don't see this working out well.

Also I don't send SS my full size images, that way they can't sell full size for the sub cost (well, they can get upsized ones, but so can anyone upsize any image they get at a small size).

Please come back when you are paying out .30 or more per download, I think you will get a lot more interest here then, unless of course everywhere else is up to .50 by then.

--=Tom

if I may ask you something.. do you downsize the pictures to agencies that have subscription plans or just SS?..

just SS - it might hurt for EL sales, I don't know, but elsewhere there is a chance of larger size regular sales. - also most of them started offering subs later. Still it is painful for an XXL to go as a sub.

(edited to move my response out of the quoted bit)

Quote from: lisafx on June 19, 2010, 16:17

Quote from: FD-amateur on June 19, 2010, 09:46

Quote from: lisafx on June 19, 2010, 00:34I agree with Phil.  If your agency ever gets to the point where they can deliver the royalties and traffic that Shutterstock can, then I would be more than happy to invest my time in uploading there.

We don't need another subs agency than ShutterStock. ShutterStock is fine for me.

Totally agree!   I wasn't actually suggesting they ever WOULD have the traffic and commissions of SS.  Just saying it isn't worth even discussing until/unless they do. 

And since contributors get 10 cents instead of 30-40 at SS, wouldn't that mean DS would need to generate 3-4 times the amount of sales/downloads to at least match the results contributors get at SS? Don't see that happening. And if it does, like others, said, it will most likely be former buyers at SS.

These sites should be encouraged to either charge the going rate or quit. Nothing is accomplished by dragging prices down.

Quote from: dreamstock.com on June 18, 2010, 15:56
Since we are offering an unlimited download plan, customers will tend to download more often, which means a photographer's earning power will actually increase! While we pay 10c per download via our unlimited download plan (medium images), we pay 50% commission rate when a customer purchases single images via our credit based system (extended licenses, bigger image sizes etc).

Hahaha. This is great humour

50% of single sales
minimum 30c for subscription limited to medium size
$50 payout or end of year
no categories
ftp upload
no US tax

and you might have a chance at getting people to submit

add a cash payment for uploading and you'll also get a lot more.

With your present program I won't be submitting.

Quote from: Zeus on June 19, 2010, 05:23
There are roughly X number of images licensed in the world. Starting a new agency and selling DLs does not increase the number of images licensed in the world it only displaces some sales from somewhere else. Therefore taking less for an image on DreamerStock just diminishes the amount of money generated by picture sales which diminishes everyone's income. It's kinda simple. Best thing to do is not contribute a single image and let DS die before they a get even a sputtering of life.

huh?  what's this extremely broad conclusion based on??  even with just the existing agencies it's hardly likely - agencies grow each year and produce more sales - what evidence do you have that's not true?

so, a new agency IS likely to increase the gross # of images licensed - the real question is whether it's worthwhile to upl to such an agency when they offer so little

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Quote from: cascoly on June 20, 2010, 22:22

Quote from: Zeus on June 19, 2010, 05:23
There are roughly X number of images licensed in the world. Starting a new agency and selling DLs does not increase the number of images licensed in the world it only displaces some sales from somewhere else. Therefore taking less for an image on DreamerStock just diminishes the amount of money generated by picture sales which diminishes everyone's income. It's kinda simple. Best thing to do is not contribute a single image and let DS die before they a get even a sputtering of life.

huh?  what's this extremely broad conclusion based on??  even with just the existing agencies it's hardly likely - agencies grow each year and produce more sales - what evidence do you have that's not true?

so, a new agency IS likely to increase the gross # of images licensed - the real question is whether it's worthwhile to upl to such an agency when they offer so little

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General demand does not go up just because another portal is introduced. Doesn't make sense. What do people say? "gee I I've never bought an image before in my life I think I'll start with these guys no one has ever heard of". If you want to believe it does that's fine. I obviously have no proof either way. It's not exactly extreme or broad.

P.S. Of course the system isn't static and of course every pull and tug affects every corner of the system. If iStock chose to drop image prices by 50%v you can be sure everyone would. If some start up begins by selling way bellow current rate the effect is not as extreme but it is there. Kind of like the Butterfly Effect. Pretty soon it changes everything.

Quote from: dreamstock.com on June 18, 2010, 22:23
You are assuming the 10c rate per subscription download will stay this low forever, this is not the case. You may remember that Shutterstock raised their download payout from 20c to 25c in 2006 and increased this as years pass by. We will be doing the same.

So you're starting your business by copying Shutterstocks commission rate from four years ago and cutting it in half. Good luck with that one!

Then you're going to let a buyer have unlimited downloads for $89.95 a month, and pay out 10c commission for each download. Or in other words once a buyer downloads 900 images you're running at a loss (obviously it would require less downloads if you consider running costs), no doubt you're keeping your fingers crossed that they'll only download the 30-40% allowance that happens at Shutterstock, and of course nobody is going to see this as an easy way to stockpile 20,000 images for $90.

Seriously - I hope you haven't invested any personal money in this project.

Thanks for all your feedback! We have taken them in and modified our program. We are still in beta and always open to suggestions. We will be adjusting the Unlimited program so payouts are now 15c, not 10c and will be limiting downloads to small resolution image files only. We also plan to introduce a new 25-per-day download plan shortly.

1. Unlimited plan - (Unlimited downloads per day)
15c credit to photographer per unique download ~ small image downloads only (under 1000px width)

2. Freedom Plan (25 images per day)
30c to 50c credit to photographer per unique download ~ full image size downloads

Rates will be:
30c - under $10,000 lifetime earning
40c - over $10,001 lifetime earning
45c - over $25,000 lifetime earning
50c - over $50,000 lifetime earning

Quote from: dreamstock.com on June 21, 2010, 22:13
Thanks for all your feedback! We have taken them in and modified our program. We are still in beta and always open to suggestions. We will be adjusting the Unlimited program so payouts are now 15c, not 10c and will be limiting downloads to small resolution image files only. We also plan to introduce a new 25-per-day download plan shortly.

1. Unlimited plan - (Unlimited downloads per day)
15c credit to photographer per unique download ~ small image downloads only (under 1000px width)

2. Freedom Plan (25 images per day)
30c to 50c credit to photographer per unique download ~ full image size downloads

Rates will be:
30c - under $10,000 lifetime earning
40c - over $10,001 lifetime earning
45c - over $25,000 lifetime earning
50c - over $50,000 lifetime earning

Quote from: dreamstock.com on June 21, 2010, 22:13
Thanks for all your feedback! We have taken them in and modified our program. We are still in beta and always open to suggestions. We will be adjusting the Unlimited program so payouts are now 15c, not 10c and will be limiting downloads to small resolution image files only. We also plan to introduce a new 25-per-day download plan shortly.

1. Unlimited plan - (Unlimited downloads per day)
15c credit to photographer per unique download ~ small image downloads only (under 1000px width)

2. Freedom Plan (25 images per day)
30c to 50c credit to photographer per unique download ~ full image size downloads

Rates will be:
30c - under $10,000 lifetime earning
40c - over $10,001 lifetime earning
45c - over $25,000 lifetime earning
50c - over $50,000 lifetime earning

EEHEHEHEHEEHHEHE so many plans to a small and new agency! LOL..

I have no words to express my LAUGH..! Unlimited downloads, so in one day a buyer will download the entire collection of Dreamstock thats nice (to the buyer eheheh)

Quote from: luissantos84 on June 21, 2010, 23:34
EEHEHEHEHEEHHEHE so many plans to a small and new agency! LOL..

I have no words to express my LAUGH..! Unlimited downloads, so in one day a buyer will download the entire collection of Dreamstock thats nice (to the buyer eheheh)

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