I can't speak french but would love to attend.

I hope that's wry humor on your part - and not a misunderstanding about the location of Milan.

As this is an event only for exclusives, I think it's more likely to generate discussion only on the IS forums (I know you're currently in the penalty box).

I would have thought thay had more pressing and urgent matters at hand then sitting drinking espressos by the Dome square?

Quote from: lagereek on July 08, 2011, 07:28
I would have thought thay had more pressing and urgent matters at hand then sitting drinking espressos by the Dome square?

Such as appointing someone to actively sell images to the Italian market?

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20110706005902/en/iStockphoto-Hires-Nicola-Ghezzi-Director-Country-Operations

Quote from: holgs on July 08, 2011, 08:02

Quote from: lagereek on July 08, 2011, 07:28
I would have thought thay had more pressing and urgent matters at hand then sitting drinking espressos by the Dome square?

Such as appointing someone to actively sell images to the Italian market?

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20110706005902/en/iStockphoto-Hires-Nicola-Ghezzi-Director-Country-Operations

I know!  thats what I meant!  Ive spent an incredible amount of time in Italy and all over the place there, even lived in Rome for two years, still got a place there. The Italian market is difficult and thats an understatement.
Buisness, people in Rome, Florence and Milan are very sophisticated, they like to buy well, names and everything, Image-Bank, Stones and Getty, never had much success there, I cant see them going for pics off the peg, cheapo stuff.
However I might be wrong? wouldnt be the first time.

best.

Quote from: jsnover on July 08, 2011, 07:13
I hope that's wry humor on your part - and not a misunderstanding about the location of Milan.

No need to worry, he's not American 

Quote from: jsnover on July 08, 2011, 07:13
(I know you're currently in the penalty box).

Ah, that explains his sudden chattiness over here.

Quote from: sjlocke on July 08, 2011, 10:39

Quote from: jsnover on July 08, 2011, 07:13
(I know you're currently in the penalty box).

Ah, that explains his sudden chattiness over here.

Socials can attend and anyone with an interest in photography will learn something interesting,especially editorial!

I'm going to be in Fiorenze late Oct/early Nov, so that'll be a miss. Can't believe the short notice they always run these things at.
Ali, what did you learn specifically about editorial? (That's really all I'd be interested in).

Quote from: ShadySue on July 08, 2011, 18:49
I'm going to be in Fiorenze late Oct/early Nov, so that'll be a miss. Can't believe the short notice they always run these things at.
Ali, what did you learn specifically about editorial? (That's really all I'd be interested in).

Approaching the subject/person.If they give you there name,jot it down and post it in your description.The knack after getting permission is to not get a 'staged' shot.
My small wisdom on the subject,which i will try in India.Dont go looking for editorial/life content.Let life come to you !
Pick a spot(not easy to detect) and stay there for hours ,maybe days even.You will get a good story in photographs if your patient.
The Lypse will have talks/seminars  for the members who are drawn from the yellow bucket.Our talks in London were kinda special.I remember the Getty guy who runs the archive, telling us of  a buyer wanting a photograph of Jesus 

Not many direct flights from the north east coast of england to Milan although a return flight is looking at £170-£200.Hotels are not badly priced either £30-40 a night.
Need to know what the ticket price is going to be.It was $500 for the London Lypse.My ticket cost me £430 and the whole 5 day event cost me £1000 !
You wont see an instant return on your money via sales but well worth it IMO.
330 members put there names forward for the London Lypse.I will be interesting how many wish to participate this time.

http://www.aboutmilan.com/milano-card.html

I think it would be a great move this time if they don't insist that people attending contribute their images to the partner program. 

Let people make their own decisions about how to distribute their work.

Quote from: gclk on July 09, 2011, 11:22
I think it would be a great move this time if they don't insist that people attending contribute their images to the partner program. 

Let people make their own decisions about how to distribute their work.

I'm certainly not participating while they try to force that.

From what I gathered from others, the editorial slant was more on 'journalistic storytelling', thus the emphasis on getting permission and releases, which of course, would affect any real newsworthy editorial shooting.

Quote from: shank_ali_reborn on July 08, 2011, 17:07
Socials can attend and anyone with an interest in photography will learn something interesting,especially editorial!

I just wish I could understand how to caption editorial for Istock (or should I say I wish they would be consistent in reviewing them), probably shouldn't have to go to Milan for that though.

Quote from: sjlocke on July 08, 2011, 10:39

Quote from: jsnover on July 08, 2011, 07:13
(I know you're currently in the penalty box).

Ah, that explains his sudden chattiness over here.

Ali! What happened this time?

Quote from: Rob Sylvan on July 09, 2011, 12:53

Quote from: sjlocke on July 08, 2011, 10:39

Quote from: jsnover on July 08, 2011, 07:13
(I know you're currently in the penalty box).

Ah, that explains his sudden chattiness over here.

Ali! What happened this time?

As with my other bans i can't quite put my finger on it.The gatekeeper(Lobo) has his reasons.I said i would contact him again in 2012 and hopes he enjoys the rest of 2011.Enough said really.I will just focus on my photography.
Nice to see you on MGC Rob.I had a lovely chat with JJR's better half in London about you.Seems you are a nice guy.I must be a bad judge of character as i thought you were a right  tosser 

No mention of editorial on the Milan Lypse.Looking like a combination of photos and videos.
I can see the content generated from the Milan Lypse going to the Partner Program.If you dont understand the reason that happens now i doubt you will ever understand the connection between Istockphoto/Getty.

Quote from: shank_ali_reborn on July 09, 2011, 15:37
No mention of editorial on the Milan Lypse.Looking like a combination of photos and videos.
I can see the content generated from the Milan Lypse going to the Partner Program.If you dont understand the reason that happens now i doubt you will ever understand the connection between Istockphoto/Getty.

Shank will you allow us to understand the reason why it happens, but still not agree with it? 

Quote from: sjlocke on July 09, 2011, 11:41

From what I gathered from others, the editorial slant was more on 'journalistic storytelling', thus the emphasis on getting permission and releases, which of course, would affect any real newsworthy editorial shooting.

this is true and though I enjoyed looking at the reportage style slideshows, to be frank I didn't learn much about editorial in London. in fact, I disagree with this approach. I don't typically engage with editorial subjects when shooting journalistic images and what we were told to do goes well against anything I've learned about shooting journalistic images. I have no ambitions to be an embedded journalist in a war zone spinning a story with images that I pseudo-orchestrate. I prefer to shoot real life, unimpeded by me asking questions before capturing an image. depending on the sensitivity of an image, I don't have a problem approaching a subject after the shot and gaining more insight, but I certainly wouldn't involve my subject in planning a photo essay beforehand.

I learned much more about creative shoots in London. far less about editorial.

ETA: unless the context allows for an exchange with my subject, which is often the case at celebrity events etc. But I wouldn't consider those shots 'journalistic'.

Quote from: gclk on July 09, 2011, 15:55

Quote from: shank_ali_reborn on July 09, 2011, 15:37
No mention of editorial on the Milan Lypse.Looking like a combination of photos and videos.
I can see the content generated from the Milan Lypse going to the Partner Program.If you dont understand the reason that happens now i doubt you will ever understand the connection between Istockphoto/Getty.

Shank will you allow us to understand the reason why it happens, but still not agree with it? 

ok just for you 
The London Lypse content has yet to appear on the PP.When it does it will give those contributors a small steady monthly income.I see no problem with the arrangement.We do put our content onto the microstock sites to sell after all .....

Quote from: shank_ali_reborn on July 08, 2011, 19:34

Quote from: ShadySue on July 08, 2011, 18:49
I'm going to be in Fiorenze late Oct/early Nov, so that'll be a miss. Can't believe the short notice they always run these things at.
Ali, what did you learn specifically about editorial? (That's really all I'd be interested in).

Approaching the subject/person.If they give you there name,jot it down and post it in your description.The knack after getting permission is to not get a 'staged' shot.

Quite. I was at the Tall Ships Race today, and everyone I actually asked permission of stood to attention and smiled broadly. The language barrier was too much to communicate that I wanted them just to go on as normal. With the ones who spoke English, they went on, but they stiffened up very visibly. Certainly didn't make for good stock.

Quote from: shank_ali_reborn on July 09, 2011, 15:37
No mention of editorial on the Milan Lypse.Looking like a combination of photos and videos.
I can see the content generated from the Milan Lypse going to the Partner Program.If you dont understand the reason that happens now i doubt you will ever understand the connection between Istockphoto/Getty.

Puppet/Puppeteer?

Quote from: SNP on July 09, 2011, 15:58

Quote from: sjlocke on July 09, 2011, 11:41

From what I gathered from others, the editorial slant was more on 'journalistic storytelling', thus the emphasis on getting permission and releases, which of course, would affect any real newsworthy editorial shooting.

this is true and though I enjoyed looking at the reportage style slideshows, to be frank I didn't learn much about editorial in London. in fact, I disagree with this approach. I don't typically engage with editorial subjects when shooting journalistic images and what we were told to do goes well against anything I've learned about shooting journalistic images. I have no ambitions to be an embedded journalist in a war zone spinning a story with images that I pseudo-orchestrate. I prefer to shoot real life, unimpeded by me asking questions before capturing an image. depending on the sensitivity of an image, I don't have a problem approaching a subject after the shot and gaining more insight, but I certainly wouldn't involve my subject in planning a photo essay beforehand.

I learned much more about creative shoots in London. far less about editorial.

ETA: unless the context allows for an exchange with my subject, which is often the case at celebrity events etc. But I wouldn't consider those shots 'journalistic'.

Thanks for that, Stacey. I agree with you on this. Except that personally I don't like the way they announce lypses as editorial then suddenly shove in studio work. While that's a big gap in my skillset, there would be no point wasting people's time showing me how to use all the equipment, direct models etc. when I'll never use the knowledge in real life.
Interesting about the war thing - I just heard recently how the reporters/photographers have to stick to the story their country wants to put over, and if they don't, they're sent home and their publication or agency gets, in effect, Lobotomised, for a period of time. And they often do their shoots as 'set up shots' with soldiers who aren't needed for a couple of hours. That was even worse than discovering Cartier-Bresson allegedly sometimes paid models to go round and round into a scene until he got his 'decisive moment'.
Clay feet!
I guess there is a sound case for building up a good relationship with your subject if you're doing an extended photo-essay, "A day in the life of X" or "The wide variety of work that organisation Y does". I love that stuff, but it's hardly relevant to iStock.