As if Pinterest wasnt bad enough, Microsoft launched a BETA of their new social app, a sort of Pinterest for photos, video, and search queries :

http://www.so.cl/


No idea if they will keep the actual name, brand, logo, url, or if the whole project will be killed or merged with MSN, but it shows the trend keeps going on about stealing content as pinning seems to be the next big thing in copyright abuse and theft ... would like to hear Corbis commenting on that

Well sure, anytime there is big money to be made stealing from the little guys, it's going to be done.     And obviously Corbis is on the bandwagon. They will justify it just like DT is doing. "It's OK to do this because the watermarked image leads back to our site and your image for sale." Not only did I lose the first sale by DT allowing the first watermarked image to be pinned, many others will be lost because thieves don't mind watermarks as long as the cool image is free. Just disgusting that agencies that are supposed to be representing us are doing this in the name of $$ in their pockets.

you are just trads who can't accept changes.

theft isn't a "change"

Quote from: jsnover on May 21, 2012, 15:00
theft isn't a "change"

nonsense. americans used to be regarded simply as criminals defecting from the monarchy, punishable by death. thats how the nation was born. yankee was a dutch slang term for thief / pirate.

Quote from: drugal on May 21, 2012, 17:28

Quote from: jsnover on May 21, 2012, 15:00
theft isn't a "change"

nonsense. americans used to be regarded simply as criminals defecting from the monarchy, punishable by death. thats how the nation was born. yankee was a dutch slang term for thief / pirate.

as much as i'm strongly anti american you just sound like a pathetic troll.

what we have here instead is a clear trend where IT/ICT and stock companies are desperate to increase profits in the actual negative economic downturn and don't give a sh-it about long term, even microsoft seems to be ready to shoot Corbis in its own foot to make space for yet another social project in its arsenal, and wait for the launch of the new Windows 8, WinMobile, and Windows RT with built-in apps all focused on sharing photos, text, and videos, and who cares if 99% of these contents are ripped off and the copyright owners don't get a penny for that.

and take a look at the many VC web site like TechCrunch, VentureBeat, WeekendHacker, etc... i see almost new startups every day all dealing with so called user generated content in one way or another and we know very well how much of this junk contents are gonna be legal and licenced !

so we're now absolutely powerless, the future will be more and more about theft up to the point where one day theft will be taken for granted
and socially accepted.

and yet i can tell you that stock is not gonna die soon, as web sites and mobile networks have never been our client base and never will, so all this doom and gloom scenarios are only a small part of the whole story.

It's just appalling hyporcrisy from a company who sues at the drop of a hat. (M$)

That logo is poorly executed

Sigh.   So now I have to find out what "pinterest" is all about - I've been avoiding it.  Let me guess: more 'social' cr@p that does nothing but waste your time.  Exactly how many ways does the world need to "share photos and videos"?

Quote from: ThomasAmby on May 21, 2012, 19:38
That logo is poorly executed

Brought to you by the same people who gave us SnapVillage.    

Quote from: stockastic on May 21, 2012, 19:47
Sigh.   So now I have to find out what "pinterest" is all about - I've been avoiding it.  Let me guess: more 'social' cr@p that does nothing but waste your time.  Exactly how many ways does the world need to "share photos and videos"?

Exactly. More social cr@p. Just what the world needs.

I'm thinking of starting an antisocial network for people who hate the internet. Complete with a dislike button obviously.

Quote from: antistock on May 21, 2012, 19:15

Quote from: drugal on May 21, 2012, 17:28

Quote from: jsnover on May 21, 2012, 15:00
theft isn't a "change"

nonsense. americans used to be regarded simply as criminals defecting from the monarchy, punishable by death. thats how the nation was born. yankee was a dutch slang term for thief / pirate.

as much as i'm strongly anti american you just sound like a pathetic troll.

what we have here instead is a clear trend where IT/ICT and stock companies are desperate to increase profits in the actual negative economic downturn and don't give a sh-it about long term, even microsoft seems to be ready to shoot Corbis in its own foot to make space for yet another social project in its arsenal, and wait for the launch of the new Windows 8, WinMobile, and Windows RT with built-in apps all focused on sharing photos, text, and videos, and who cares if 99% of these contents are ripped off and the copyright owners don't get a penny for that.

and take a look at the many VC web site like TechCrunch, VentureBeat, WeekendHacker, etc... i see almost new startups every day all dealing with so called user generated content in one way or another and we know very well how much of this junk contents are gonna be legal and licenced !

so we're now absolutely powerless, the future will be more and more about theft up to the point where one day theft will be taken for granted
and socially accepted.

and yet i can tell you that stock is not gonna die soon, as web sites and mobile networks have never been our client base and never will, so all this doom and gloom scenarios are only a small part of the whole story.

what this has to do with being anti american your troll? I tell you one scheme where others live off content generated by users for free: forums. : )

Quote from: bhr on May 21, 2012, 20:46
I'm thinking of starting an antisocial network for people who hate the internet. Complete with a dislike button obviously.

Oh that's funny... my other half and I were talking about that last night, and ended up looking to see if 'youarenotmyfriend.com' was available.  

Quote from: bhr on May 21, 2012, 20:46
I'm thinking of starting an antisocial network for people who hate the internet. Complete with a dislike button obviously.

Ther are several I think. I remember some hatebook thing with hate buttons.... you could choose between hate and dislike people were grouped up by hating each other. It's like a workplace.

What are you lot on about???  I've been using Pinterest for ages now. Instead of using my browser to bookmark favourite pages I use Pinterest instead. It's also a fantastic tool because I can build up groups of visual links that might be relevant to a design job I'm working on eg. I can have links from both SS and IS all on the same page and then send that page to a client to review. Its brilliant! A lightbox for all!

I agree about the trads. This forum has too many "has-beens" who hate change and are sour about losing their high incomes from previous years.

Quote from: drugal on May 21, 2012, 21:17

Quote from: bhr on May 21, 2012, 20:46
I'm thinking of starting an antisocial network for people who hate the internet. Complete with a dislike button obviously.

Ther are several I think. I remember some hatebook thing with hate buttons.... you could choose between hate and dislike people were grouped up by hating each other. It's like a workplace.

LOL

"What are you lot on about???"

Read a bit.  Don't make us repeat all the issues yet again.

Quote from: sjlocke on May 21, 2012, 22:08
"What are you lot on about???"

Read a bit.  Don't make us repeat all the issues yet again.

I have read most of it from the other thread. And mostly its fear mongering and bs. Read what I said!

Yes, congrats on uploading images under a user agreement you don't have permission to use.  We get it - it's a visual bookmarker that you want to use despite the fact you don't have the rights to the content involved.  And you're okay with granting rights to anyone who wants to use that content for free even though it isn't yours.

Dang it, I've repeated myself again.

Quote from: sjlocke on May 21, 2012, 22:57
Yes, congrats on uploading images under a user agreement you don't have permission to use.  We get it - it's a visual bookmarker that you want to use despite the fact you don't have the rights to the content involved.  And you're okay with granting rights to anyone who wants to use that content for free even though it isn't yours.

Dang it, I've repeated myself again.

LOL - look, I get what you are saying but I don't understand why it would concern you given the images are linked back to your agency and are copyrighted!

And yes, it's a marvellous way to bookmark images and create multiple agency lightboxes. it really is a useful tool (for me at least).

Quote from: sjlocke on May 21, 2012, 22:57
Yes, congrats on uploading images under a user agreement you don't have permission to use.  We get it - it's a visual bookmarker that you want to use despite the fact you don't have the rights to the content involved.  And you're okay with granting rights to anyone who wants to use that content for free even though it isn't yours.

Dang it, I've repeated myself again.

Ever notice it's always the anonymous ones who start this and throw the stones. I really would like to follow a link for Noodles (as just one example) and use all of his/her images for free, without any credit or payment. Since people like that think everything should be free and shared, I think they should start with their own work.

How bout a link Noodles so I can copy all your images?

And Drugal, well more of the same, we don't know if Drugal has one image up on any kind of site, let alone a free sharing site.

It's easy to be a smart @$$ when you are anonymous and it's so nice that the people here support these people out of fear that "the agency will know who I am and retaliate". Instead we gets flaunting abusive messages from people who do drive-by-posting, dump the account and come back as someone new in a month. 

Keep in mind that Drugal could be some disgruntled "trad" who just likes to stir the pot and cause confrontational arguments. Not even a Micro Stock participant. 

Quote from: bhr on May 21, 2012, 20:46
I'm thinking of starting an antisocial network for people who hate the internet. Complete with a dislike button obviously.

I'll join!

Quote from: Noodles on May 21, 2012, 23:06
LOL - look, I get what you are saying but I don't understand why it would concern you given the images are linked back to your agency and are copyrighted!

Maybe that's the way you use them, but in many cases our unwatermarked images are placed on pinterest by people lifting them from possibly legal buyers' sites, claiming that they own the copyright over them enabling them to do so.

BTW, it's a truly stupid agreement. There can't be all that many instances (relatively) when people are using it to pin their own images.

Quote from: RacePhoto on May 21, 2012, 23:09
Ever notice it's always the anonymous ones who start this and throw the stones. I really would like to follow a link for Noodles (as just one example) and use all of his/her images for free, without any credit or payment. Since people like that think everything should be free and shared, I think they should start with their own work.

How bout a link Noodles so I can copy all your images?

What has this to do with being anonymous?  It has more to do with common sense I would have thought!

Quote from: ShadySue on May 21, 2012, 23:12

Quote from: Noodles on May 21, 2012, 23:06
LOL - look, I get what you are saying but I don't understand why it would concern you given the images are linked back to your agency and are copyrighted!

Maybe that's the way you use them, but in many cases our unwatermarked images are placed on pinterest by people lifting them from possibly legal buyers' sites, claiming that they own the copyright over them enabling them to do so.

BTW, it's a truly stupid agreement. There can't be all that many instances (relatively) when people are using it to pin their own images.

Un-watermarked stock images are stolen and should be reported but you can't blame Pinterest for that.

and yes, I pin my own images