Quote from: wds on July 24, 2013, 14:33
Well at least it is well defined and give some control to the contributor. If an image has a few sales, the contributor has the power to raise the price. If it doesn't sell at all, well then it doesn't really matter anyway.

I agree. I have 519 files and only 200 sold once or more. Say 100 are not 6 months old, that means I have 200 non sellers. If their is a chance that they will get sales now then its a win win situation. The only problem is that when images start to pick up sales, I need to manually edit 200 images. Ugh.

I also agree that this system is perfect for manipulating search results to make sure files are not sold for 6 months. If fotolia is that evil, I'll leave in the middle.

Quote from: topol on July 24, 2013, 14:51

Quote from: wds on July 24, 2013, 14:33
Well at least it is well defined and give some control to the contributor. If an image has a few sales, the contributor has the power to raise the price. If it doesn't sell at all, well then it doesn't really matter anyway.

It does matter mr. genius, because if you have thousands of files you can a have a reasonable amount of daily downloads, while each individual file is getting a download seldomly, and this will severely cut the whole income on those. (I bet you can't follow the logic here : )

I am sorry, but I also miss your logic.

Quote from: Ron on July 24, 2013, 18:04

Quote from: topol on July 24, 2013, 14:51

Quote from: wds on July 24, 2013, 14:33
Well at least it is well defined and give some control to the contributor. If an image has a few sales, the contributor has the power to raise the price. If it doesn't sell at all, well then it doesn't really matter anyway.

It does matter mr. genius, because if you have thousands of files you can a have a reasonable amount of daily downloads, while each individual file is getting a download seldomly, and this will severely cut the whole income on those. (I bet you can't follow the logic here : )

I am sorry, but I also miss your logic.

it is not that hard, I have over 20 different files downloaded for the 1st time this month (older than 6 months) that means I will have a 50% cut next month (actually from now on)

Quote from: picture5469 on July 24, 2013, 15:40
I'm so glad I set up my symbiostock site.

You can say that again

I'm pretty confident this is a deal breaker for me. I'll sleep on it tonight and email them tomorrow if my mind has not changed.

Quote from: luissantos84 on July 24, 2013, 18:06

Quote from: Ron on July 24, 2013, 18:04

Quote from: topol on July 24, 2013, 14:51

Quote from: wds on July 24, 2013, 14:33
Well at least it is well defined and give some control to the contributor. If an image has a few sales, the contributor has the power to raise the price. If it doesn't sell at all, well then it doesn't really matter anyway.

It does matter mr. genius, because if you have thousands of files you can a have a reasonable amount of daily downloads, while each individual file is getting a download seldomly, and this will severely cut the whole income on those. (I bet you can't follow the logic here : )

I am sorry, but I also miss your logic.

it is not that hard, I have over 20 different files downloaded for the 1st time this month (older than 6 months) that means I will have a 50% cut next month (actually from now on)

I dont get that either.

If they got downloaded this month, then you have 6 months for them to go without sales before they drop in price.

Quote from: Ron on July 24, 2013, 18:16

Quote from: luissantos84 on July 24, 2013, 18:06

Quote from: Ron on July 24, 2013, 18:04

Quote from: topol on July 24, 2013, 14:51

Quote from: wds on July 24, 2013, 14:33
Well at least it is well defined and give some control to the contributor. If an image has a few sales, the contributor has the power to raise the price. If it doesn't sell at all, well then it doesn't really matter anyway.

It does matter mr. genius, because if you have thousands of files you can a have a reasonable amount of daily downloads, while each individual file is getting a download seldomly, and this will severely cut the whole income on those. (I bet you can't follow the logic here : )

I am sorry, but I also miss your logic.

it is not that hard, I have over 20 different files downloaded for the 1st time this month (older than 6 months) that means I will have a 50% cut next month (actually from now on)

I dont get that either.

If they got downloaded this month, then you have 6 months for them to go without sales before they drop in price.

nop, we need 3 downloads on a file older than 6 months so we can put it back on the regular pricing

Quote from: luissantos84 on July 24, 2013, 18:22

Quote from: Ron on July 24, 2013, 18:16

Quote from: luissantos84 on July 24, 2013, 18:06

Quote from: Ron on July 24, 2013, 18:04

Quote from: topol on July 24, 2013, 14:51

Quote from: wds on July 24, 2013, 14:33
Well at least it is well defined and give some control to the contributor. If an image has a few sales, the contributor has the power to raise the price. If it doesn't sell at all, well then it doesn't really matter anyway.

It does matter mr. genius, because if you have thousands of files you can a have a reasonable amount of daily downloads, while each individual file is getting a download seldomly, and this will severely cut the whole income on those. (I bet you can't follow the logic here : )

I am sorry, but I also miss your logic.

it is not that hard, I have over 20 different files downloaded for the 1st time this month (older than 6 months) that means I will have a 50% cut next month (actually from now on)

I dont get that either.

If they got downloaded this month, then you have 6 months for them to go without sales before they drop in price.

nop, we need 3 downloads on a file older than 6 months so we can put it back on the regular pricing

Yes, but thats not what you are saying,

You had a file which downloaded 6 months, so you have 6 months time to get another download, if not it will drop in price. Once it has dropped in price you need 3 downloads to change the price again.

So if a file sells once within every 6 months, nothing is going to happen to the pricing.

Quote from: luissantos84 on July 24, 2013, 14:45
every single upload we do it has to have at least a sale every 6 months, shall we download them ourselves?

If the selling price eventually  was split 50/50 we could give it a try. If not, this "try out" should be sponsored by fotolia entirely as the contributor was not consulted about this.
It can not be that this is a one way decision.
As my employer can not cut my wage without prior contract negotiation fotolia can not do it.

Quote from: 7Horses on July 24, 2013, 18:36
If the selling price eventually  was split 50/50 we could give it a try. If not, this "try out" should be sponsored by fotolia entirely as the contributor was not consulted about this.
It can not be that this is a one way decision.
As my employer can not cut my wage without prior contract negotiation fotolia can not do it.

agencies reserve the right to do anything they want, they have that written on their agreement terms, not that exact words

In Europe these issues can become very complicated with unpredictable results.

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Quote from: tickstock on July 24, 2013, 18:54
They aren't your employer.

looks like we are trapped in semantics

the terms we've agreed to:

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The relationship between Fotolia and you under this Agreement is that of independent contractors. For clarification purposes, the parties are not joint venturers, partners, principal and agent, or employer and employee. Neither party shall have the power to bind or obligate the other in any manner. You agree that you shall be responsible for all use, sales, value-added and similar taxes and duties imposed by any governing authority in any jurisdiction in connection with your use of the Website.

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I'm dutch speaking

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Of course I assume changing prices will be extremely difficult as usually with Fotolia. I was asking many times to fix default price for Extended license which allowed range is 10-100. Auto-magically it is always set to 10 :-) Finally after lengthy tread rep said they will not do this because management do not want them to do that. When I asked to run a query and set all prices of my images to 100 they said no too. So the only option is to go to every single image and fix it :-) I would be it would be the same in this case.

Quote from: tickstock on July 24, 2013, 19:02

Quote from: luissantos84 on July 24, 2013, 18:57

Quote from: tickstock on July 24, 2013, 18:54
They aren't your employer.

looks like we are trapped in semantics

Yep just semantics.  Employers have certain legal responsibilities, just like agencies in the other thread.  It matters what words you use because the words mean something.  If you are an employee you get certain legal protections while if you are not an employee you may not get those protections.  I know you aren't as dumb as you act, maybe stop trolling?

sorry but who is trolling here? saying we are trapped in semantics is attacking you or diverging this discussion? you can say they aren't our employer because this and that but in the end we depend on agencies so its really semantics

Quote from: melastmohican on July 24, 2013, 19:05
Of course I assume changing prices will be extremely difficult as usually with Fotolia. I was asking many times to fix default price for Extended license which allowed range is 10-100. Auto-magically it is always set to 10 :-) Finally after lengthy tread rep said they will not do this because management do not want them to do that. When I asked to run a query and set all prices of my images to 100 they said no too. So the only option is to go to every single image and fix it :-) I would be it would be the same in this case.

unfortunately they have those submission "bugs" for a long time (which they cannot fix) but this change is already live, check your own portfolio

Quote from: ferdinand on July 24, 2013, 17:51
maybe SS should start strictly exclusive - to stop all this crap

SS has said repeatedly that they have no interest in exclusive contributors or content in their primary collection. No idea how Offset is doing or what the rules there are, but they could only do exclusive images at higher prices - to afford to pay the extra they'd have to to obtain images exclusively.

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Quote from: tickstock on July 24, 2013, 19:13

Quote from: luissantos84 on July 24, 2013, 19:06

Quote from: tickstock on July 24, 2013, 19:02

Quote from: luissantos84 on July 24, 2013, 18:57

Quote from: tickstock on July 24, 2013, 18:54
They aren't your employer.

looks like we are trapped in semantics

Yep just semantics.  Employers have certain legal responsibilities, just like agencies in the other thread.  It matters what words you use because the words mean something.  If you are an employee you get certain legal protections while if you are not an employee you may not get those protections.  I know you aren't as dumb as you act, maybe stop trolling?

sorry but who is trolling here? saying we are trapped in semantics is attacking you or diverging this discussion? you can say they aren't our employer because this and that but in the end we depend on agencies so its really semantics

Dependence is not the definition of employer, that's just one small part.  You depend on your computer, is that your employer too?  Employer and employee have relevant legal meanings and whether or not fotolia is your employer makes a difference in this thread:  "As my employer can not cut my wage without prior contract negotiation fotolia can not do it. " 
If an employer can't cut wages without contract negotiations and you are an employee of fotolia then fotolia can't cut your wages without contract negotiations.
If you are not an employee of fotolia then maybe fotolia can cut wages without negotiations.
Understand how the word makes a difference?

yeah but ain't that a bit too much? its just a word, let it go

The images on offset are not exclusive. Many of them are also available at other sites and come from Westend61, Blend etc...

It looks like artist looking for higher end returns or even midstock returns will be forced to work with "aggregators" who take exclusive content and then work with agencies that have higher price bands.

This is a great pity, because the more levels there are between supplier and customer, the smaller the cut is that is left for the artist and the customer also has to pay higher prices.

I thought the exclusive images that Fotolia offers and that can be set to higher prices by the contributor are a very clever system. It attracts more high end content that might not be placed on the micros.

Or so I thought...

Guess we all have to work on our own little shops, or encourage pond5 where we can set our own prices. At least for content where we feel we can get higher prices.

Again, I don´t mind having a sensible system in place for content that doesn´t sell. But 6 months is just much too short.