When i joined MSG i wished to see Alamy in the poll(because Alamy was and is still now my one of mainstream stock income source)  but i was told that this forum is "Microstockgroup" and sales in alamy don't come regularly as in micro, so there is no use to include alamy in poll but now we see it has been included. So AGE can also be included, specially now when even AGE has a separate section LBRF (Low Budget RF) for micro images (one can not send his microstock images to regular RF section). So i guess AGE is not here in poll because i believe only few MSG active members are in AGE and there is probably no regular sales from age too. I have not sold any LBRF or RF there, just RM and that too very few BUT for good price.
Now i don't submit my images there now, probably because fewer sales compared to effort to submit images. But i really like age's admin, support team and some very gentle photographers working with Age. Very friendly and ready to help, any time.

Quote from: Ron on January 25, 2014, 08:09
If AGE is this amazing selling agency why are they not even on the poll on the right? It cant be that 30k members of MSG dont know about AGE or it must be the best hidden gem on the planet.

It's been around for almost 40 years, that should tell you something. No hidden secret. Been around since before Getty Images. You just need to get out of the microstock bubble.

Quote from: Ron on January 25, 2014, 08:48
The mentioning of RF confused me. Why is Alamy on the poll then?

IIRC, several people asked for it to be included.
There is an 'issue' however, whereby if iS exclusives poll their Alamy sales, it pushes their iS figures into indy, so I've stopped recording my Alamy sales, (puny as they are) on the poll.

BTW, re Agephotostock - I just went to have a look, did a sample search, chose an RM image, then it seems I'd have to email them to get any idea of the price. Is that how it works? If so, they must put off a lot of potential customers.
@Ron, it seems their 'low budget RF' pricing starts at 10Euros for the smallest size, which is almost double the gross of some Getty sales I've had.

Quote from: shudderstok on January 25, 2014, 09:35

Quote from: Ron on January 25, 2014, 08:09
If AGE is this amazing selling agency why are they not even on the poll on the right? It cant be that 30k members of MSG dont know about AGE or it must be the best hidden gem on the planet.

It's been around for almost 40 years, that should tell you something. No hidden secret. Been around since before Getty Images. You just need to get out of the microstock bubble.

What? And sell nothing? My images make more on my HD then in RM.

I am with Age under non-exclusive contract. I upload photos-RM,RF,LBRF and videos-LBRF. It took me few months, but after I uploaded several hundred images, I have got a few sales every month. Agefotostock is friendly agency with very easy upload 

I have a few friends here in England who signed up with AGE and they tell me its the biggest waste of time ever. No sales at all, nothing.
From experience I know that when it comes to these types of agencies. Getty is the only one. Many people in the Getty house, are earning way past 10k per month.

Quote from: grey1 on January 25, 2014, 12:42
I have a few friends here in England who signed up with AGE and they tell me its the biggest waste of time ever. No sales at all, nothing.

Probably they are not good photographers or they uploaded few dozens of photos so far and pretend to sale them after 2 minutes!
If you carefully see what a photographic agency wants and sells before complaining, you will discover that selling pics is not the most difficult job in the world!

Quote from: grey1 on January 25, 2014, 12:42
I have a few friends here in England who signed up with AGE and they tell me its the biggest waste of time ever. No sales at all, nothing.
From experience I know that when it comes to these types of agencies. Getty is the only one. Many people in the Getty house, are earning way past 10k per month.

what kinda images can make over 10K per month, can you show us?

curiously!

Quote from: stefano on July 29, 2012, 10:04
Don't expect big money! 

Stefano
Travel Photographer

Quote from: luissantos84 on January 25, 2014, 12:54
curiously!

Curiously what?
You think to become a milionaire with other photographic agencies?
You can if you have a stunning 4-digit portfolio probably but if you have only few pics you won't sale anything in any agency.
Anyway, if you don't sale you are not a good photographer ;-)

Quote from: stefano on January 25, 2014, 13:42

Quote from: luissantos84 on January 25, 2014, 12:54
curiously!

Curiously what?
You think to become a milionaire with other photographic agencies?
You can if you have a stunning 4-digit portfolio probably but if you have only few pics you won't sale anything in any agency.
Anyway, if you don't sale you are not a good photographer ;-)

curiously you have said 2 years ago that with AGE you wouldn't be doing a lot of money, I am not talking about your statement just the curiosity of your opinion regarding AGE and how it changed over the 2 years

Quote from: stefano on January 25, 2014, 12:52

Quote from: grey1 on January 25, 2014, 12:42
I have a few friends here in England who signed up with AGE and they tell me its the biggest waste of time ever. No sales at all, nothing.

Probably they are not good photographers or they uploaded few dozens of photos so far and pretend to sale them after 2 minutes!
If you carefully see what a photographic agency wants and sells before complaining, you will discover that selling pics is not the most difficult job in the world!

No. One of these photographers have over 1900 images in files and he is in the process of leaving right now. Not one sale in over a year and he has also a very special portfolio. AGE can not sell, they have no self-promotion and they are stuck back in the 1980s.

Quote from: Ed on January 25, 2014, 00:49
Nobody know them?  LOL....I suspect this is a personal vendetta of some sort.  You do realize that Alfonso (CEO of AGE) is president of CEPIC?

I agree with Ron, if they are so well know, why don't they appear nowhere ? According to Wikipedia, the president of the Cepic is    Christina Vaughan not Alfredo...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CEPIC

Quote from: shudderstok on January 25, 2014, 09:35

Quote from: Ron on January 25, 2014, 08:09
If AGE is this amazing selling agency why are they not even on the poll on the right? It cant be that 30k members of MSG dont know about AGE or it must be the best hidden gem on the planet.

It's been around for almost 40 years, that should tell you something. No hidden secret. Been around since before Getty Images. You just need to get out of the microstock bubble.

I know some old fashion boutiques that have been in the village for 50 years, they sell outdated clothes to a handful of grandmothers and are still opened. Everybody in town wonder how they have survived so long until one day they are replaced by a grocery shop. 

Ok, they are not associated with microstock, while like all the others, they do microstock as well at the same level of pricing, but even then you can't compare them with Alamy, Corbis or Getty...

Quote from: ClaridgeJ on September 20, 2012, 16:53
I sell plenty of RF at Age and for good money. Secret with Age is, its got to be commercial, conceptual or else its hard. They have some very big customers.

You sell plenty to age and for good money and they have very big customers. Could you give us with some concrete numbers and name of these very big customers please ?

I'd really like to read about that 

Quote from: arkadia56 on January 27, 2014, 18:44
I agree with Ron, if they are so well know, why don't they appear nowhere ?

That's not what Ron said.
Ron said, specifically,  "If AGE is this amazing selling agency why are they not even on the poll on the right?"
and the answer is because they're not a micro agency.
No mystery there. There are any number of macro agencies not on the micro list.

Quote from: arkadia56 on January 27, 2014, 19:02

Quote from: ClaridgeJ on September 20, 2012, 16:53
I sell plenty of RF at Age and for good money. Secret with Age is, its got to be commercial, conceptual or else its hard. They have some very big customers.

You sell plenty to age and for good money and they have very big customers. Could you give us with some concrete numbers and name of these very big customers please ?

I'd really like to read about that 

AFAIK, ClaridgeJ, fka Lagereek, is banned from msg, so you won't get a reply from him.

Quote from: grey1 on January 25, 2014, 16:20

Quote from: stefano on January 25, 2014, 12:52

Quote from: grey1 on January 25, 2014, 12:42
I have a few friends here in England who signed up with AGE and they tell me its the biggest waste of time ever. No sales at all, nothing.

Probably they are not good photographers or they uploaded few dozens of photos so far and pretend to sale them after 2 minutes!
If you carefully see what a photographic agency wants and sells before complaining, you will discover that selling pics is not the most difficult job in the world!

No. One of these photographers have over 1900 images in files and he is in the process of leaving right now. Not one sale in over a year and he has also a very special portfolio. AGE can not sell, they have no self-promotion and they are stuck back in the 1980s.

It is the reason why I wouldn't recommend them besides their other bizarre and archaic ways of doing business...

Quote from: ShadySue on January 27, 2014, 19:03

Quote from: arkadia56 on January 27, 2014, 18:44
I agree with Ron, if they are so well know, why don't they appear nowhere ?

That's not what Ron said.
Ron said, specifically,  "If AGE is this amazing selling agency why are they not even on the poll on the right?"
and the answer is because they're not a micro agency.
No mystery there. There are any number of macro agencies not on the micro list.

ShaddySue,

Alamy is also a "macro" and they are in the list. Maybe because there are sales to report at Alamy contrary to Age ?

Btw: Macro and micro doesn't mean anything anymore in the case of agencies doing both RM and RF..

Quote from: stefano on January 25, 2014, 13:42

Quote from: luissantos84 on January 25, 2014, 12:54
curiously!

Curiously what?
You think to become a milionaire with other photographic agencies?
You can if you have a stunning 4-digit portfolio probably but if you have only few pics you won't sale anything in any agency.
Anyway, if you don't sale you are not a good photographer ;-)

"Anyway, if you don't sale you are not a good photographer ;-)".

What a definitive affirmation from a seasoned and international recognized award winning top notch photographer ! 

I hope you realise how wrong and comical your sentence is 

Quote from: arkadia56 on January 27, 2014, 19:08

Quote from: ShadySue on January 27, 2014, 19:03

Quote from: arkadia56 on January 27, 2014, 18:44
I agree with Ron, if they are so well know, why don't they appear nowhere ?

That's not what Ron said.
Ron said, specifically,  "If AGE is this amazing selling agency why are they not even on the poll on the right?"
and the answer is because they're not a micro agency.
No mystery there. There are any number of macro agencies not on the micro list.

ShaddySue,

Alamy is also a "macro" and they are in the list. Maybe because there are sales to report at Alamy contrary to Age ?

Btw: Macro and micro doesn't mean anything anymore in the case of agencies doing both RM and RF..

I know almost nothing of Agefotostock, but I know that a lot of people on msg are on Alamy and asked specifically for it to be added to the poll results.

Note what I said about many other macro agencies not being on the poll. Some people make plenty of sales from Getty, but it's not in the poll.

NB: RF doesn't necessarily mean 'micro'. E.g. on Alamy, RF files often sell for larger amounts than non-exclusive RM files, which is logical.

Quote from: ShadySue on January 27, 2014, 19:03

Quote from: arkadia56 on January 27, 2014, 18:44
I agree with Ron, if they are so well know, why don't they appear nowhere ?

That's not what Ron said.
Ron said, specifically,  "If AGE is this amazing selling agency why are they not even on the poll on the right?"
and the answer is because they're not a micro agency.
No mystery there. There are any number of macro agencies not on the micro list.

Quote from: deepdreamer on January 25, 2014, 11:37
I am with Age under non-exclusive contract. I upload photos-RM,RF,LBRF and videos-LBRF. It took me few months, but after I uploaded several hundred images, I have got a few sales every month. Agefotostock is friendly agency with very easy upload 

It took you few month tu upload photos-RM,RF,LBRF and videos-LBRF ?   Looks really like an easy upload  ...

Quote from: ShadySue on January 27, 2014, 19:13

Quote from: arkadia56 on January 27, 2014, 19:08

Quote from: ShadySue on January 27, 2014, 19:03

Quote from: arkadia56 on January 27, 2014, 18:44
I agree with Ron, if they are so well know, why don't they appear nowhere ?

That's not what Ron said.
Ron said, specifically,  "If AGE is this amazing selling agency why are they not even on the poll on the right?"
and the answer is because they're not a micro agency.
No mystery there. There are any number of macro agencies not on the micro list.

ShaddySue,

Alamy is also a "macro" and they are in the list. Maybe because there are sales to report at Alamy contrary to Age ?

Btw: Macro and micro doesn't mean anything anymore in the case of agencies doing both RM and RF..

I know almost nothing of Agefotostock, but I know that a lot of people on msg are on Alamy and asked specifically for it to be added to the poll results.

Note what I said about many other macro agencies not being on the poll. Some people make plenty of sales from Getty, but it's not in the poll.

NB: RF doesn't necessarily mean 'micro'. E.g. on Alamy, RF files often sell for larger amounts than non-exclusive RM files, which is logical.

Alamy sells RF as low as any other Istock or Shutterstock. They sell RM also at lower prices like 15 $. And yes, the term microstock comes form the agencies who started to sell only RF at low prices.

Again, in 2014, the terms micro and macro don't make sense anymore. If you know almost nothing about age, what exactly is the purpose of your comments ?

You are right for one things: Ron said "If AGE is this amazing selling agency why are they not even on the poll on the right?" and I totally agree with him. And Getty should be on the list as well to be sure.

Quote from: arkadia56 on January 27, 2014, 19:24
If you know almost nothing about age, what exactly is the purpose of your comments ?

I know why Age isn't on the list on the right. That's not rocket science.
I have a large list of photo agencies, mostly macros [1]. Do you want to start a demand for agencies few here are on to be added to the list?

Did you join microstock group just to complain about a macro agency?

You are entitled to your views of micro / macro, but they're not shared by everyone, though Alamy seems to straddle the divide confusingly on the way down, and iS exclusive prices on the way up.

[1] To clarify, I have a list. I don't supply them!