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Shutterstock - downsizing to 6mp - thoughts?

Started by KerinF, April 11, 2014, 07:24

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ruxpriencdiam

Quote from: Ron on April 28, 2014, 23:01
How do you know? You are just guessing.
No Ron.

When you upload images to your computer from your camera where do you think they go?

They get stored in your mainframe for later use no uploading or downloading because they become STORED.

You just click and open just as a reviewer does because where does the file go after it is uploaded to SS????

Right to one of their mainframes that stores the images just as we do on our computers then the reviewer has access to that mainframe (which we dont) where images are stored and all they do is open them the same as we do when we open one from our computer there is no lag time!


grsphoto

Quote from: ruxpriencdiam on April 28, 2014, 23:34
Quote from: Ron on April 28, 2014, 23:01
How do you know? You are just guessing.
No Ron.

When you upload images to your computer from your camera where do you think they go?

They get stored in your mainframe for later use no uploading or downloading because they become STORED.

You just click and open just as a reviewer does because where does the file go after it is uploaded to SS????

Right to one of their mainframes that stores the images just as we do on our computers then the reviewer has access to that mainframe (which we dont) where images are stored and all they do is open them the same as we do when we open one from our computer there is no lag time!

But the reviewers are not in New York ( or where ever the servers are) they are scattered around the world using the same internet ( or slower) then we might be.  I thought about applying for a reviewer position just for the experience, but my internet is so slow I could not review enough in an hour to make it worthwhile

lisafx

#102
Nevermind.  My question was answered by a post I had overlooked.

Ron

Quote from: ruxpriencdiam on April 28, 2014, 23:34
Quote from: Ron on April 28, 2014, 23:01
How do you know? You are just guessing.
No Ron.

When you upload images to your computer from your camera where do you think they go?

They get stored in your mainframe for later use no uploading or downloading because they become STORED.

You just click and open just as a reviewer does because where does the file go after it is uploaded to SS????

Right to one of their mainframes that stores the images just as we do on our computers then the reviewer has access to that mainframe (which we dont) where images are stored and all they do is open them the same as we do when we open one from our computer there is no lag time!

Your whole comment is just guessing. You dont know where the images go. You dont even know if they are reviewed in NY. Do you think they have reviewers working at night in the weekend? Or do they have reviewers working during the day in another part of the world?

Paying a person in NY at night in the weekend is 1000 times more expensive then paying a dayworker in India (no disrespect).

You have no idea about the review process, how it works, and we are all guessing how it might work.

ethan

Whoever or wherever our images are assessed does not concern me really, all I know is I just had a 100% approval on my latest batch (more than 20, less than 50) all downsized and all around 50% smaller than the exact same images uploaded to other sites.

A few of the batch were resubmissions for 'focus', but I knew they were fine, even when viewed at 200%, Those images were simply slashed in size by 50-55% and they all went through.

Two of these tiny images have sold already and one of those that sold was a resubmission image :)

As I mentioned a few posts back I actually feel a little bad for the SS customers, they're being short-changed by SS, but what can I do? Simply accept perfectly good and saleable images being rejected, when the exact same ones sell on all the other sites?

I don't think so :)


Ron

I submitted 11 images this week, 9 older images at 4MP, shot with a 450D+cheap kit lens 18-55mm, and 2 images at 10MP shot with a 450D+24-70L II. Some of the 4mp images were soft, I expected them to get some rejections, the 10mp images were sharp. The downsized images all got accepted and the 2 sharp images got rejected for focus. Go figure.

ruxpriencdiam

Quote from: Ron on April 29, 2014, 08:22
Quote from: ruxpriencdiam on April 28, 2014, 23:34
Quote from: Ron on April 28, 2014, 23:01
How do you know? You are just guessing.
No Ron.

When you upload images to your computer from your camera where do you think they go?

They get stored in your mainframe for later use no uploading or downloading because they become STORED.

You just click and open just as a reviewer does because where does the file go after it is uploaded to SS????

Right to one of their mainframes that stores the images just as we do on our computers then the reviewer has access to that mainframe (which we dont) where images are stored and all they do is open them the same as we do when we open one from our computer there is no lag time!

Your whole comment is just guessing. You dont know where the images go. You dont even know if they are reviewed in NY. Do you think they have reviewers working at night in the weekend? Or do they have reviewers working during the day in another part of the world?

Paying a person in NY at night in the weekend is 1000 times more expensive then paying a dayworker in India (no disrespect).

You have no idea about the review process, how it works, and we are all guessing how it might work.
I know how it works.

There are reviewers specific to certain areas in the world and they work day night weekends and Holidays they work all over the world I have applied as a reviewer and know all about the entire review process and what is required by SS.

Whereas at CanStockPhoto reviewers must do illustrations and photos and certain programs are required at SS you are either a photo reviewer or an illustration reviewer.

Go put an application in it is quite easy and fully explained to you in plain simple English.

Quote from: SS

Work From Home Image Reviewer New York, New York

Work From Home Image Reviewer – Editorial / Weekends Only – North America New York, New York

Work From Home Vector & Illustration Image Reviewer (Europe) Berlin, Germany


Quote from: SSWork From Home Image Reviewer

Headquartered in New York, Shutterstock is an innovative e-commerce company and a leading provider of royalty-free videos, photos, and illustrations. With over 30 million images and videos, Shutterstock sources content from a contributor community of thousands of photographers, videographers, artists and illustrators from around the world. We consider our contributor community, supply chain and operational capability to be among our greatest assets.

We are hiring Image Reviewers located in the USA to evaluate images for their overall quality, technical execution, commercial suitability, and adherence to our image acceptance standards.

This is a freelance work-from-home position using the reviewer"s own equipment and based around the reviewers available schedule.
Responsibilities:

    Efficiently evaluate and approve images based on defined acceptance standards.
    Operate as an authority for technical standards, trademark exceptions, fraud detection, copyright and release requirements; review images for adherence to content standards and suitability for inclusion in our commercial image catalog.
    Perform exceptionable and consistent image evaluations in a high volume, fast-paced, and super detail-oriented manner.
    Apply metadata standards, with light metadata editing and a keen eye for keyword and title relevance to drive accurate search engine results.
    Provide consistent, objective, efficient, concise and accurate feedback to contributors.

Requirements:

    Mandatory: Domain expertise and passionate enthusiasm for photography with 2+ years of professional photography experience, preferably as a photographer, contributor to stock agencies, photo editor, or photo researcher.
    Must be available to work 25-30 hours per week including 5-8 hours per weekend.
    Must have high-speed wired broadband Internet access [at least 25mbps download speed to test: http://www.speedtest.net/], own a PC or Mac, and own a sufficient and accurate color display for viewing high-resolution images.
    Adept at photo editing, image resolution, and metadata evaluation, along with a basic foundation of best practices in post-production processes.
    Understanding of evolving image industry trends, styles, and commercial value.
    Comfortable and enthusiastic about making many detailed judgments repetitively.
    Highly organized, super analytical and extremely detail-oriented.
    Strong command of English; ability to read/write and participate in operations and business meetings.

Software: Knowledge of Adobe Photoshop, Google Docs and Microsoft Office Suite.

Equal Opportunity Employer, M/F/D/V

ShadySue

Quote from: ruxpriencdiam on April 29, 2014, 13:11
    Must have high-speed wired broadband Internet access [at least 25mbps download speed to test: http://www.speedtest.net/],

[OFF-TOPIC] Just discovered via that speed test that my (wi-fi, not wired) dl speed is 6.89mbps. I guess that comes under my provider's advertised "up to 16mbps".  :(
Thanks for the link.

ethan

I know this is going totally off topic and don't want to encourage it but just tested my fibre optic broadband speed using the same link and my results are my download speed is 72.78 Mbps. Impressive :)

Ron

Quote from: ruxpriencdiam on April 29, 2014, 13:11


You still dont know how the review process works. You just dont. Give it up. You know nothing about the review process, you think you do, but you dont. Period.

stockphotoeurope

#110
Back in topic, there's probably a physical reason why images downsized a bit look better than at "full" resolution: because there's no "full" resolution to start with.

All camera sensors have a number of photosites (some red, some blue, some green, and sometimes one channel is duplicated) arranged in a pattern (which is not the same as the final pixels' pattern) from which the final image is calculated; and the sum of total r+g+b photosites is roughly similar to the number of pixels. So the "true" resolution is just 1/3th or 1/4th of the advertised resolution.
I'm not talking about cheap cameras that upsize (that's another issue)! I'm talking about every camera including top quality dSLRs, because that's the way sensors work.

For this reason, a 18 MP image downsized to 6 MP looks better than a "native" 6 MP image, because the "native" one is not actually so. In a perfect world, cameras would "downsize" internally during demosaicing to preserve true resolution, but in the current megapixel race no one is going to do that of course.

We all - SS reviewers included - should just accept the fact that a full size image is a bit softer than a downsized image and avoid this ridiculous situation in which lower resolution images are preferred and then upsampled for "super" resolution.

luissantos84

Quote from: Ron on April 29, 2014, 14:05
Quote from: ruxpriencdiam on April 29, 2014, 13:11


You still dont know how the review process works. You just dont. Give it up. You know nothing about the review process, you think you do, but you dont. Period.

I know a reviewer at CanStockPhoto and she/he told me that needs to open batches of 10 files at PS (check 100% etc) and for a sweet amount of 1 cent/file

Ron

I believe SS uses a more sophisticated system, but I dont know.

Anyhoo, 1 cent/file, my word thats criminal. You need to review 9000 files per day to make a living.

cobalt

1 cent per file?? That is incredible. Does that even pay the cost of downloading images? Or her monitor and computer?

onepointfour

#114
Quote from: Ron on April 29, 2014, 08:47
I submitted 11 images this week, 9 older images at 4MP, shot with a 450D+cheap kit lens 18-55mm, and 2 images at 10MP shot with a 450D+24-70L II. Some of the 4mp images were soft, I expected them to get some rejections, the 10mp images were sharp. The downsized images all got accepted and the 2 sharp images got rejected for focus. Go figure.

Same here. I only got a couple files accepted which were shot by using my super old camera in smallish jpeg files. None of the large files shot by my spanky new camera got accepted. Mind you, the rejected images were even shot using tripod and wireless trigger.

luissantos84

Quote from: cobalt on April 29, 2014, 15:44
1 cent per file?? That is incredible. Does that even pay the cost of downloading images? Or her monitor and computer?

yeah its insane, I asked that as well, spare time etc, I rather do nothing

chlun

I don't know how to downsize an image, how do you do that? I have Photoshop CS6.

Ron

Quote from: onepointfour on April 29, 2014, 16:06
Quote from: Ron on April 29, 2014, 08:47
I submitted 11 images this week, 9 older images at 4MP, shot with a 450D+cheap kit lens 18-55mm, and 2 images at 10MP shot with a 450D+24-70L II. Some of the 4mp images were soft, I expected them to get some rejections, the 10mp images were sharp. The downsized images all got accepted and the 2 sharp images got rejected for focus. Go figure.

Same here. I only got a couple files accepted which were shot by using my super old camera in smallish jpeg files. None of the large files shot by my spanky new camera got accepted. Mind you, the rejected images were even shot using tripod and wireless trigger.
I have requested a re-review and they agreed the review was in error. So problem solved, for now.

ethan

Quote from: chlun on April 29, 2014, 17:12
I don't know how to downsize an image, how do you do that? I have Photoshop CS6.

You can do it directly in PS - Image - Image Size or run a script program, which is what I do. The script is really quick and ensure consistency when doing multiple images. Screen grab attached.

onepointfour

I was browsing in Offset collection and stumbled on this shot http://www.offset.com/photos/61270.

Since most of my issues with SS is focus, it makes me wonder if the images in Offset need to go through the same reviewing process.
Don't get me wrong, I don't intend to bash Offset or the photographer. In fact I have high admiration for this photographer and have been following their works for years now.

Ron

Quote from: onepointfour on April 29, 2014, 18:41
I was browsing in Offset collection and stumbled on this shot http://www.offset.com/photos/61270.

Since most of my issues with SS is focus, it makes me wonder if the images in Offset need to go through the same reviewing process.
Don't get me wrong, I don't intend to bash Offset or the photographer. In fact I have high admiration for this photographer and have been following their works for years now.
For 500 dollar thats called art.

Shocking, but thats how it is these days. The work on SS is of a much higher quality than offset, yet it gets sold for pennies. Submit horribly out of focus shots to Offset and they charge 500 dollar.

ethan

Quote from: chlun on April 29, 2014, 17:12
I don't know how to downsize an image, how do you do that? I have Photoshop CS6.

I found the link which might be helpful for you to download the script program. It's very easy to install into Photoshop, I just hope it works for you in CS6, I use CS3 and it works fine :)

http://www.laflor.dk/?p=266

melastmohican

What are actually criteria to get in? Sometimes looking at some RM stuff  I got the feeling it was a closed club you can only get if you know somebody. Microstock with its craze rejections and large volume of uploads created much better collections.

Quote from: Ron on April 29, 2014, 19:26
Quote from: onepointfour on April 29, 2014, 18:41
I was browsing in Offset collection and stumbled on this shot http://www.offset.com/photos/61270.

Since most of my issues with SS is focus, it makes me wonder if the images in Offset need to go through the same reviewing process.
Don't get me wrong, I don't intend to bash Offset or the photographer. In fact I have high admiration for this photographer and have been following their works for years now.
For 500 dollar thats called art.

Shocking, but thats how it is these days. The work on SS is of a much higher quality than offset, yet it gets sold for pennies. Submit horribly out of focus shots to Offset and they charge 500 dollar.
A w filmie polskim, proszę pana, to jest tak: nuda... Nic się nie dzieje, proszę pana. Nic. Taka, proszę pana... Dialogi niedobre... Bardzo niedobre dialogi są.

Ron

I have no idea, you just need to send a link to your port. I never heard back from them. Same as Stocksy, lol. I am taking the hints.  ;D

scottbraut

Quote from: onepointfour on April 29, 2014, 18:41
I was browsing in Offset collection and stumbled on this shot http://www.offset.com/photos/61270.

Since most of my issues with SS is focus, it makes me wonder if the images in Offset need to go through the same reviewing process.
Don't get me wrong, I don't intend to bash Offset or the photographer. In fact I have high admiration for this photographer and have been following their works for years now.

Hello,

Sorry for the confusion - that image looks like an upload error (the wrong file in a single edit being uploaded or approved) and has been removed.   

Best,

Scott