Oh my god SS is so great! I LOVE watching my total earnings increase pennies at a time. It's so gratifying and like I totally see how good subs are for contributors. The more subs I get the more I want to submit my best work!!! Whooooo hooooooo!!!!! Thanks Mr. Oringer!!!!

I think they paid out $80 million dollars to contributors last year. How many cents is that?

Quote from: K2 on April 16, 2015, 13:55
Oh my god SS is so great! I LOVE watching my total earnings increase pennies at a time. It's so gratifying and like I totally see how good subs are for contributors. The more subs I get the more I want to submit my best work!!! Whooooo hooooooo!!!!! Thanks Mr. Oringer!!!!

Mike?

Quote from: Microstock Posts on April 16, 2015, 14:13
I think they paid out $80 million dollars to contributors last year. How many cents is that?

Depends on who it goes to really.

keep at it, soon you will make 0.38 to have your image used in and advertising campaign.

Ad agencies pay much higher rates.

Where on your home site I could get 28 cents for a sub? Keep pointing out how many contradictions there are in your hate for SS. ODDs can range over $100 does your place do that for Independent Artists?

Quote from: shudderstok on April 16, 2015, 15:29
keep at it, soon you will make 0.38 to have your image used in and advertising campaign.

Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 16, 2015, 17:35
Where on your home site I could get 28 cents for a sub? Keep pointing out how many contradictions there are in your hate for SS. ODDs can range over $100 does your place do that for Independent Artists?

Quote from: shudderstok on April 16, 2015, 15:29
keep at it, soon you will make 0.38 to have your image used in and advertising campaign.

no contradictions here. just saying keep at it, soon you will make 0.38 for letting your work sell for advertising. if you are happy with it then great, you too can see your account grow pennies at a time. exciting times indeed.
oh right i keep forgetting the ODDs that occasionally come by, that totally justifies making pennies.

Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 16, 2015, 17:35
Where on your home site I could get 28 cents for a sub? Keep pointing out how many contradictions there are in your hate for SS. ODDs can range over $100 does your place do that for Independent Artists?

Quote from: shudderstok on April 16, 2015, 15:29
keep at it, soon you will make 0.38 to have your image used in and advertising campaign.

Is your RPD closer to 38 cents or $100? 

It love it too!!

And i love this forum too!!

Quote from: shudderstok on April 16, 2015, 17:43
oh right i keep forgetting the ODDs that occasionally come by, that totally justifies making pennies.

even that has sort of gone with the wind coming from that hole at the bum

Which one SS or IS? I'm happy with both. Happily limited independent.

Reminder I only work those two agencies, and they both produce acceptable results for my personal expectations.

Lets see, IS sub I get 28c, on TS = 28c, and there's no raise or hope for getting any more EVER! as an Independent. I'm quite please with the recent 2015 Credit Sales on IS...

SS I get more than that and haven't gotten 25c since 2008, got an earned raise again after that, and another... plus the standard ODD on SS is a dollar more than I get for an average credit sale on IS.

But I'm still happy with both, even if SS earns me three to four times more - bottom line dollars - a month than IS. There's your answer. Not some irrelevant RPI or RPD which only counts in my images vs my images.

You and shudder are part of a dying minority. Maybe you should consider that you aren't just defending your loyalty (which I admire) but stubbornly refusing to see that you're shorting your own income, by stubbornly sticking with an out of date plan, which has limited growth potential, if any, vs other options.

You can either advance or retreat, there is no standing still. Are your earnings growing, and showing continuing potential, as an IS exclusive? Mine are as an Independent. There's your answer.

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Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 16, 2015, 17:35
Where on your home site I could get 28 cents for a sub? Keep pointing out how many contradictions there are in your hate for SS. ODDs can range over $100 does your place do that for Independent Artists?

Quote from: shudderstok on April 16, 2015, 15:29
keep at it, soon you will make 0.38 to have your image used in and advertising campaign.

Is your RPD closer to 38 cents or $100?

I wouldn't be surprised to see you change your attitude about SS in the next year, things are changing there for the first time basically since SS began.

Pointless to continue. Ask the people who left Exclusive at IS, not me. Up until recently I would have said Exclusive IS was a good plan because of the higher sales and commissions and opportunities for earnings. For people with the right kind of stock materials.

Quote from: tickstock on April 16, 2015, 19:11
I wouldn't be surprised to see you change your attitude about SS in the next year, things are changing there for the first time basically since SS began.

Quote from: tickstock on April 16, 2015, 17:49

Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 16, 2015, 17:35
Where on your home site I could get 28 cents for a sub? Keep pointing out how many contradictions there are in your hate for SS. ODDs can range over $100 does your place do that for Independent Artists?

Quote from: shudderstok on April 16, 2015, 15:29
keep at it, soon you will make 0.38 to have your image used in and advertising campaign.

Is your RPD closer to 38 cents or $100?

Where? My RPD is now lower on iS than on SS. SS blew past iS a while ago—undoubtedly because SS pays independents royalties 50% higher than iS does. Also, I've never earned anywhere near $100 for a sale on iS, but have several in that ballpark on SS. I got two a just couple of days ago. On iS? Bupkis.

Quote from: Shelma1 on April 16, 2015, 20:12

Quote from: tickstock on April 16, 2015, 17:49

Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 16, 2015, 17:35
Where on your home site I could get 28 cents for a sub? Keep pointing out how many contradictions there are in your hate for SS. ODDs can range over $100 does your place do that for Independent Artists?

Quote from: shudderstok on April 16, 2015, 15:29
keep at it, soon you will make 0.38 to have your image used in and advertising campaign.

Is your RPD closer to 38 cents or $100?

Where? My RPD is now lower on iS than on SS. SS blew past iS a while ago—undoubtedly because SS pays independents royalties 50% higher than iS does. Also, I've never earned anywhere near $100 for a sale on iS, but have several in that ballpark on SS. I got two a just couple of days ago. On iS? Bupkis.

I've never advocated that anyone should contribute to SS or iStock as an independent.  They both are way too low for me.  The point was that a few hundred dollar sales per month doesn't change RPD much at all.

Quote from: tickstock on April 16, 2015, 20:15

Quote from: Shelma1 on April 16, 2015, 20:12

Quote from: tickstock on April 16, 2015, 17:49

Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 16, 2015, 17:35
Where on your home site I could get 28 cents for a sub? Keep pointing out how many contradictions there are in your hate for SS. ODDs can range over $100 does your place do that for Independent Artists?

Quote from: shudderstok on April 16, 2015, 15:29
keep at it, soon you will make 0.38 to have your image used in and advertising campaign.

Is your RPD closer to 38 cents or $100?

Where? My RPD is now lower on iS than on SS. SS blew past iS a while ago—undoubtedly because SS pays independents royalties 50% higher than iS does. Also, I've never earned anywhere near $100 for a sale on iS, but have several in that ballpark on SS. I got two a just couple of days ago. On iS? Bupkis.

I've never advocated that anyone should contribute to SS or iStock as an independent.  They both are way too low for me.  The point was that a few hundred dollar sales per month doesn't change RPD much at all.

I suppose this is true if your only concern is RPD. I'd argue that most people care more about the size of their payment at the end of the month much more than they care about RPD.

Averaging $10 per sale would be great but not if it means only having 5 downloads per month. RPD isn't really that important IMHO.

Personally, my RPD at SS has always been closer to $100 than to $0.38 compared to my RPD at Istock. 

Quote from: Copidosoma on April 16, 2015, 20:40

Quote from: tickstock on April 16, 2015, 20:15

Quote from: Shelma1 on April 16, 2015, 20:12

Quote from: tickstock on April 16, 2015, 17:49

Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 16, 2015, 17:35
Where on your home site I could get 28 cents for a sub? Keep pointing out how many contradictions there are in your hate for SS. ODDs can range over $100 does your place do that for Independent Artists?

Quote from: shudderstok on April 16, 2015, 15:29
keep at it, soon you will make 0.38 to have your image used in and advertising campaign.

Is your RPD closer to 38 cents or $100?

Where? My RPD is now lower on iS than on SS. SS blew past iS a while ago—undoubtedly because SS pays independents royalties 50% higher than iS does. Also, I've never earned anywhere near $100 for a sale on iS, but have several in that ballpark on SS. I got two a just couple of days ago. On iS? Bupkis.

I've never advocated that anyone should contribute to SS or iStock as an independent.  They both are way too low for me.  The point was that a few hundred dollar sales per month doesn't change RPD much at all.

I suppose this is true if your only concern is RPD. I'd argue that most people care more about the size of their payment at the end of the month much more than they care about RPD.

Averaging $10 per sale would be great but not if it means only having 5 downloads per month. RPD isn't really that important IMHO.

Personally, my RPD at SS has always been closer to $100 than to $0.38 compared to my RPD at Istock. 

You could say RPI as well or just look at the totals at the end of the month, any way you slice it having 2 or 3 $100 dollar sales per month doesn't change things very much at all and reading the threads on here I doubt most people get 2 or 3 of them every month.

What I don't get is the continued sarcasm directed at SS specifically. iS pays lowers royalties to independents. I only get 28¢ for subs sales at iS.

As I've pointed out before, most of us can't be represented by Getty, and microstock opened up new markets and broader representation. Why MACRO photographers come to MICROstock Group and continually post jabs at MICROstock—and specifically SS, which is the big earner for most people—is beyond me.

Quote from: Shelma1 on April 16, 2015, 21:01
What I don't get is the continued sarcasm directed at SS specifically. iS pays lowers royalties to independents. I only get 28¢ for subs sales at iS.

As I've pointed out before, most of us can't be represented by Getty, and microstock opened up new markets and broader representation. Why MACRO photographers come to MICROstock Group and continually post jabs at MICROstock—and specifically SS, which is the big earner for most people—is beyond me.

You don't see any sarcasm directed at iStock, you're one of the main purveyors of that sort of thing.  I think people can dislike both companies why does anyone have to like one or other?

Quote from: tickstock on April 16, 2015, 21:03

Quote from: Shelma1 on April 16, 2015, 21:01
What I don't get is the continued sarcasm directed at SS specifically. iS pays lowers royalties to independents. I only get 28¢ for subs sales at iS.

As I've pointed out before, most of us can't be represented by Getty, and microstock opened up new markets and broader representation. Why MACRO photographers come to MICROstock Group and continually post jabs at MICROstock—and specifically SS, which is the big earner for most people—is beyond me.

You don't see any sarcasm directed at iStock, you're one of the main purveyors of that sort of thing.  I think people can dislike both companies why does anyone have to like one or other?

Why are you here? Seriously. This is Microstock Group. And I'm sarcastic about iS because I wish they'd do better. When they screw up it costs me money. You?

Quote from: Shelma1 on April 16, 2015, 21:07

Quote from: tickstock on April 16, 2015, 21:03

Quote from: Shelma1 on April 16, 2015, 21:01
What I don't get is the continued sarcasm directed at SS specifically. iS pays lowers royalties to independents. I only get 28¢ for subs sales at iS.

As I've pointed out before, most of us can't be represented by Getty, and microstock opened up new markets and broader representation. Why MACRO photographers come to MICROstock Group and continually post jabs at MICROstock—and specifically SS, which is the big earner for most people—is beyond me.

You don't see any sarcasm directed at iStock, you're one of the main purveyors of that sort of thing.  I think people can dislike both companies why does anyone have to like one or other?

Why are you here? Seriously. This is Microstock Group. And I'm sarcastic about iS because I wish they'd do better. When they screw up it costs me money. You?

I'm here because I do this for my living, it's important to me what happens not only on iStock but in the industry as a whole.

I agree with Shelma, why are anonymous macro stockers here on a micro stock forum to rant about OUR low royalties when they are not even part of that market.

Quote from: Semmick Photo on April 16, 2015, 21:18
I agree with Shelma, why are anonymous macro stockers here on a micro stock forum to rant about OUR low royalties when they are not even part of that market.

It's all the same market.  DPC, Bigstock Video, etc.. effect all of us even if we aren't on those sites.  It appears that a lot of other people agree with the OP that subs aren't a good thing.

Have to agree GB and I'll be interested to see how the changes at Adobe/FT eventuallychange the game as well. New leadership at IS, and now the 350 a month plan on SS that replaced the 750 a month plan.

Instability and change seems to be the only constants. 

Once I argued for the term "big six" because they were so close. Now I'm personally looking at the Big Three.

Lets give it a year and see? Meet me here, tax day 2016. 

Quote from: gbalex on April 16, 2015, 20:54

Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 16, 2015, 19:25
Pointless to continue. Ask the people who left Exclusive at IS, not me. Up until recently I would have said Exclusive IS was a good plan because of the higher sales and commissions and opportunities for earnings. For people with the right kind of stock materials.

Quote from: tickstock on April 16, 2015, 19:11
I wouldn't be surprised to see you change your attitude about SS in the next year, things are changing there for the first time basically since SS began.

I would not be at all surprise to see the answer from former exclusives change over the next 6 months to a year. Their response could be very different from the answers you would receive, if you asked today.

Once everyone has followed the carrot and jumped ship, Jon's Wallstreet friends are very likely to change up the algorithm.

My guess would be a future search, biased toward emerging markets. The new dangling carrot.