Hi,everyone.yesterday I received a email from Dreamstime

"This notification was sent by a potential buyer, who would like to purchase one of your files with exclusive rights license (SR-EL).
See info regarding terms and allowed usages at link below:
http://www.dreamstime.com/terms.php#sr-el

If you are able to sell exclusive rights license for the image, please use the "ENABLE LICENSE" button to enable the exclusive rights license and set the price. The buyer will be automatically notified. Only the lifetime Sell the Rights license can be enabled. Keep in mind that this request is for SR-EL. Please check the table to see prices for SR-EL.

May I know normally how much you guys set the price? But this image not only sell on dreamstime, it also on Istock and other agency.That mean I need to remove it from other agency if I want to sell it exclusive right? Any opinion/suggestion regarding,sell o nt sell?Thanks

Regards,
Grace

300 dollar and remove from all sites. If it's your best seller calculate potential earnings over a lifetime and ask something in that ball park.

$300 dollars seems too low, good selling images should earn you over $1,000 best sellers over $10,000.

Normally is after sold the photos just remove or before that?

once the deals done, then remove it.

good luck

You can ask for 1000 and you'll never hear back. Loads of people asked for decent amounts and it never came to a deal.

So what?  $300 is way too low you'll make more than that on most good photos.

Quote from: tickstock on June 21, 2015, 15:56
So what?  $300 is way too low you'll make more than that on most good photos.

Not so much nowadays; we're not all as super successful as you claim to be.
(Not including the OP in 'we', I have no idea, obviously.)

Quote from: tickstock on June 21, 2015, 15:56
So what?  $300 is way too low you'll make more than that on most good photos.

I am just answering to the question what I would ask. If you think that is too low then that is your opinion. No need to get upset.

Spmeone here not too long ago got the same request for an image

There is no back and forth negotiating, just an offer and an accept or reject from what I know

So this person didnt want to ruin the deal by asking too high, if I remember correctly, it wasnt a great selling photo, and a very simple one at that. he asked for $900 and the deal was done. Everyone left happy.

Quote from: Semmick Photo on June 21, 2015, 16:05

Quote from: tickstock on June 21, 2015, 15:56
So what?  $300 is way too low you'll make more than that on most good photos.

I am just answering to the question what I would ask. If you think that is too low then that is your opinion. No need to get upset.

I'm not upset just saying they should pay what it's worth or it's no loss.

Quote from: ShadySue on June 21, 2015, 16:00

Quote from: tickstock on June 21, 2015, 15:56
So what?  $300 is way too low you'll make more than that on most good photos.

Not so much nowadays; we're not all as super successful as you claim to be.
(Not including the OP in 'we', I have no idea, obviously.)

I can count on my fingers the number of images that have made more then $300, never mind $1000 or $10,000 ($10K seems like cloud cuckoo land for an individual image on any micro but who knows...)


@Grace - just bear in mind the DT take a hefty cut of the sale price (think about 60%) which needs to be factored into your decision.

Quote from: heywoody on June 21, 2015, 16:11

Quote from: ShadySue on June 21, 2015, 16:00

Quote from: tickstock on June 21, 2015, 15:56
So what?  $300 is way too low you'll make more than that on most good photos.

Not so much nowadays; we're not all as super successful as you claim to be.
(Not including the OP in 'we', I have no idea, obviously.)

I can count on my fingers the number of images that have made more then $300, never mind $1000 or $10,000 ($10K seems like cloud cuckoo land for an individual image on any micro but who knows...)


@Grace - just bear in mind the DT take a hefty cut of the sale price (think about 60%) which needs to be factored into your decision.

You're right DT take 50% so that means your file only has to make $150.01 to do better than that.  Most of us have 100's of files that have earned that much.

Quote from: ShadySue on June 21, 2015, 16:00

Quote from: tickstock on June 21, 2015, 15:56
So what?  $300 is way too low you'll make more than that on most good photos.

Not so much nowadays; we're not all as super successful as you claim to be.
(Not including the OP in 'we', I have no idea, obviously.)

You don't have to be that successful to make $150 on an image.  15-20 regular sales,  or about 2 ELs, or 60 subs will get you there or 1 El 5 regular sales and 15 subs.  That doesn't seem too difficult to reach.

Quote from: tickstock on June 21, 2015, 16:59

Quote from: ShadySue on June 21, 2015, 16:00

Quote from: tickstock on June 21, 2015, 15:56
So what?  $300 is way too low you'll make more than that on most good photos.

Not so much nowadays; we're not all as super successful as you claim to be.
(Not including the OP in 'we', I have no idea, obviously.)

You don't have to be that successful to make $150 on an image.  15-20 regular sales,  or about 2 ELs, or 60 subs will get you there or 1 El 5 regular sales and 15 subs.  That doesn't seem too difficult to reach.

Maybe not on DT, I couldn't say.
On files uploaded since late 2012 on iS, it seems just about impossible to get any sales at all. You seem to be about the only exception to that rule. In fact, I've just done a DM stats fetch and I seem to have had five files (total) viewed in the past four days - looks as though subs must be on their way down too.

Quote from: ShadySue on June 21, 2015, 17:28

Quote from: tickstock on June 21, 2015, 16:59

Quote from: ShadySue on June 21, 2015, 16:00

Quote from: tickstock on June 21, 2015, 15:56
So what?  $300 is way too low you'll make more than that on most good photos.

Not so much nowadays; we're not all as super successful as you claim to be.
(Not including the OP in 'we', I have no idea, obviously.)

You don't have to be that successful to make $150 on an image.  15-20 regular sales,  or about 2 ELs, or 60 subs will get you there or 1 El 5 regular sales and 15 subs.  That doesn't seem too difficult to reach.

Maybe not on DT, I couldn't say.
On files uploaded since late 2012 on iS, it seems just about impossible to get any sales at all. You seem to be about the only exception to that rule.

If it's better for nonexclusives then it should be even easier to get to $150.  I might be one of the last exclusives to still be coming to this site, the people that used to come here have stopped.

Quote from: tickstock on June 21, 2015, 17:32

Quote from: ShadySue on June 21, 2015, 17:28

Quote from: tickstock on June 21, 2015, 16:59

Quote from: ShadySue on June 21, 2015, 16:00

Quote from: tickstock on June 21, 2015, 15:56
So what?  $300 is way too low you'll make more than that on most good photos.

Not so much nowadays; we're not all as super successful as you claim to be.
(Not including the OP in 'we', I have no idea, obviously.)

You don't have to be that successful to make $150 on an image.  15-20 regular sales,  or about 2 ELs, or 60 subs will get you there or 1 El 5 regular sales and 15 subs.  That doesn't seem too difficult to reach.

Maybe not on DT, I couldn't say.
On files uploaded since late 2012 on iS, it seems just about impossible to get any sales at all. You seem to be about the only exception to that rule.

If it's better for nonexclusives then it should be even easier to get to $150.  I might be one of the last exclusives to still be coming to this site, the people that used to come here have stopped.

There are a few more of us still here.
I'm not sure it's really better on iS for indies. I don't see their new uploads flooding out as real sales either, and at the insulting percentage they get, I doubt many of them find it easy to get to $150, certainly not without spending at least that much to make the images. Profit is more important than gross takings.
Anyway, apologies, this is a DT thread, though Grace does need to consider whether she's likely to make more money on her other sites, which mpre likely would be her 'other agency'.

Quote from: ShadySue on June 21, 2015, 17:34

Quote from: tickstock on June 21, 2015, 17:32

Quote from: ShadySue on June 21, 2015, 17:28

Quote from: tickstock on June 21, 2015, 16:59

Quote from: ShadySue on June 21, 2015, 16:00

Quote from: tickstock on June 21, 2015, 15:56
So what?  $300 is way too low you'll make more than that on most good photos.

Not so much nowadays; we're not all as super successful as you claim to be.
(Not including the OP in 'we', I have no idea, obviously.)

You don't have to be that successful to make $150 on an image.  15-20 regular sales,  or about 2 ELs, or 60 subs will get you there or 1 El 5 regular sales and 15 subs.  That doesn't seem too difficult to reach.

Maybe not on DT, I couldn't say.
On files uploaded since late 2012 on iS, it seems just about impossible to get any sales at all. You seem to be about the only exception to that rule.

If it's better for nonexclusives then it should be even easier to get to $150.  I might be one of the last exclusives to still be coming to this site, the people that used to come here have stopped.

There are a few more of us still here.
I'm not sure it's really better on iS for indies. I don't see their new uploads flooding out as real sales either, and at the insulting percentage they get, I doubt many of them find it easy to get to $150, certainly not without spending at least that much to make the images. Profit is more important than gross takings.

I'm not talking about nonexclusive on iStock, I'm talking about nonexclusive on all the sites.  Most people here say you make more as a nonexclusive so it should be very easy to make $150 if the image is good.

As Ron stated hearing back is a whole different issue. I've had many requests like Grace and i have priced them from $300 to $1500 and in every case i never heard back. I think the buyers are hoping you will sell them for $50 and when they see $300 they sh!t their drawers.

I guess it all depends on what kind of image is buyer requesting for EL. For example I had few ELs for images that didn't sell more then 10 times in all agencies combined in 1 year period. So 100$ for an image, that doesn't sell well isn't such a bad deal.

Quote from: Dumc on June 21, 2015, 17:56
I guess it all depends on what kind of image is buyer requesting for EL. For example I had few ELs for images that didn't sell more then 10 times in all agencies combined in 1 year period. So 100$ for an image, that doesn't sell well isn't such a bad deal.

On iS, when I was getting ELs, I noticed that most ELs were sold on images which seldom sold; I had a theory that buyers were deliberately looking for image which hadn't sold much. (Not always, my BSs sometimes got ELs, but it was noticeable that ELs were often on older, low-sellers.)

Yes, I have the same experience. All ELs that I had (not that there were many of them) were more or less low-sellers.

If it were me I wouldn't do it a Sell the Rights unless it was a ridiculous amount but that's me and I want full control over my work. I'd ask for at least the amount the image is expected to earn during its lifetime. Otherwise why bother doing it? How much is it earning per month now? As an example if it's earning $10 per month I'd say five years minimum and maybe up to ten years so $600 to $1200.If it's $5 per month than $300 to $600. If they balk at your price, oh well, you're not losing anything by just letting it continue to earn as it is. And I'd tell them nicely but firmly exactly that. That you would earn more not doing an SEL so it doesn't make sense to do it for less than whatever price you come up with.

I always go higher with price. I just had a designer contact me and tell me their budget was no more than $40 for a couple of images because they could get similars as RF on micro. I thanked them for their interest and said they would be $200 as single-use RM. They bought. But it probably depends on the image. Unique images usually command higher prices. Good luck.

Quote from: tickstock on June 21, 2015, 16:48

Quote from: heywoody on June 21, 2015, 16:11

Quote from: ShadySue on June 21, 2015, 16:00

Quote from: tickstock on June 21, 2015, 15:56
So what?  $300 is way too low you'll make more than that on most good photos.

Not so much nowadays; we're not all as super successful as you claim to be.
(Not including the OP in 'we', I have no idea, obviously.)

I can count on my fingers the number of images that have made more then $300, never mind $1000 or $10,000 ($10K seems like cloud cuckoo land for an individual image on any micro but who knows...)


@Grace - just bear in mind the DT take a hefty cut of the sale price (think about 60%) which needs to be factored into your decision.

You're right DT take 50% so that means your file only has to make $150.01 to do better than that.  Most of us have 100's of files that have earned that much.

I don't doubt it but there's a hell of a difference between 150 and 10K 

Quote from: heywoody on June 21, 2015, 18:32

Quote from: tickstock on June 21, 2015, 16:48

Quote from: heywoody on June 21, 2015, 16:11

Quote from: ShadySue on June 21, 2015, 16:00

Quote from: tickstock on June 21, 2015, 15:56
So what?  $300 is way too low you'll make more than that on most good photos.

Not so much nowadays; we're not all as super successful as you claim to be.
(Not including the OP in 'we', I have no idea, obviously.)

I can count on my fingers the number of images that have made more then $300, never mind $1000 or $10,000 ($10K seems like cloud cuckoo land for an individual image on any micro but who knows...)


@Grace - just bear in mind the DT take a hefty cut of the sale price (think about 60%) which needs to be factored into your decision.

You're right DT take 50% so that means your file only has to make $150.01 to do better than that.  Most of us have 100's of files that have earned that much.

I don't doubt it but there's a hell of a difference between 150 and 10K 

It's more common than you think.