you mean DT is dead?

Quote from: Herg on July 03, 2018, 08:53
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I hear you bro

Monthly sales at DT for the last year, see the pattern?
17   17   15   20   21   10   28   11   17   12   11   14

I wish this thread was dead dead dead

Quote from: Sammy the Cat on July 04, 2018, 09:53

Quote from: Herg on July 03, 2018, 08:53
Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead SALE dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead sales Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead SALE Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead

I hear you bro

Monthly sales at DT for the last year, see the pattern?
17   17   15   20   21   10   28   11   17   12   11   14

Nope.

Quote from: namussi on July 04, 2018, 11:44

Quote from: Sammy the Cat on July 04, 2018, 09:53

Quote from: Herg on July 03, 2018, 08:53
Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead SALE dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead sales Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead SALE Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead

I hear you bro

Monthly sales at DT for the last year, see the pattern?
17   17   15   20   21   10   28   11   17   12   11   14

Nope.

Really ?

Low sales out of 2200 images and repetitive quanties (17's 11's )

Quote from: qwerty on July 04, 2018, 10:06
I wish this thread was dead dead dead

"https://youtu.be/xos2MnVxe-c"

Quote from: Sammy the Cat on July 04, 2018, 13:37

Quote from: namussi on July 04, 2018, 11:44

Quote from: Sammy the Cat on July 04, 2018, 09:53

Quote from: Herg on July 03, 2018, 08:53
Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead SALE dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead sales Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead SALE Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead

I hear you bro

Monthly sales at DT for the last year, see the pattern?
17   17   15   20   21   10   28   11   17   12   11   14

Nope.

Really ?

Low sales out of 2200 images and repetitive quanties (17's 11's )

A sample size of 12. 11 occurs 2 times.

You should really take a course in statistics.

Quote from: increasingdifficulty on July 04, 2018, 13:52

Quote from: Sammy the Cat on July 04, 2018, 13:37

Quote from: namussi on July 04, 2018, 11:44

Quote from: Sammy the Cat on July 04, 2018, 09:53

Quote from: Herg on July 03, 2018, 08:53
Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead SALE dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead sales Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead SALE Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead

I hear you bro

Monthly sales at DT for the last year, see the pattern?
17   17   15   20   21   10   28   11   17   12   11   14

Nope.

Really ?

Low sales out of 2200 images and repetitive quanties (17's 11's )

A sample size of 12. 11 occurs 2 times.

You should really take a course in statistics.

17 occurs? how many times? (25%)
11 ~ 16%

Again, you should really take a statistics course, or at least use common sense. This is ridiculous.

Quote from: Sammy the Cat on July 04, 2018, 13:55

Quote from: increasingdifficulty on July 04, 2018, 13:52

Quote from: Sammy the Cat on July 04, 2018, 13:37

Quote from: namussi on July 04, 2018, 11:44

Quote from: Sammy the Cat on July 04, 2018, 09:53

Quote from: Herg on July 03, 2018, 08:53
Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead SALE dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead sales Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead SALE Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead

I hear you bro

Monthly sales at DT for the last year, see the pattern?
17   17   15   20   21   10   28   11   17   12   11   14

Nope.

Really ?

Low sales out of 2200 images and repetitive quanties (17's 11's )

A sample size of 12. 11 occurs 2 times.

You should really take a course in statistics.

17 occurs? how many times? (25%)
11 ~ 16%

Clearly the algorithm writers at DT are very superstitious as they don't allow anyone to have 13 sales in a month.

Quote from: Pauws99 on July 04, 2018, 14:03
Clearly the algorithm writers at DT are very superstitious as they don't allow anyone to have 13 sales in a month.

Absolutely. At 0%, 13 is without question not possible to get.

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Quote from: BalkanskiMacak on June 14, 2018, 15:26
Well, I saw, over the past year, some revenue increase, making it the second highest in the grow of the low earners... Then, I got a careful look at the stats: they are now accepting more or less anything, so the RPI is actually extremely low, the worst of the platforms I'm on... When even 123RF is better, then it's maybe time to consider leaving the boat!

Why does RPI matter?

because it's the main KPI, the one that determines how much I gained per image, and if is it worth for me to spend time uploading pictures on the platform

Only if you stop uploading. It takes exactly the same time to upload a rejected image as an accepted one. So if you have 10,000 images on one site that accepted everything and made £1,000 and 500 images on another that rejected 9,500 images and you made £500 which is better? Income vs time spent working on that site is a better measure...I guess you could include images worked on but not accepted at each site...that would improve it as a measure.

Images online is a much easier measure. Plus, a decent measure of time invested. In your example, the 9,500 rejected images would be indication of loss of investment, or expense ...

I suppose ... as far as KPIs and rejections are concerned, you could measure images submitted as the leading measure, and images rejected as the outcome measure. Images submitted and earnings would make a decent amount of sense I suppose.

To be honest though, I doubt it matters for Dreamstime now, it is dead. Just figured I'd chime in because I like KPIs n maths n stuff.

Quote from: increasingdifficulty on July 04, 2018, 13:58
Again, you should really take a statistics course, or at least use common sense. This is ridiculous.

I agree ~ feel happy now? 

Sorry for troubling you. There was me think a low level of sales and a 25% and 16 % occurence on repeat quantities would have been would have been of interest.

And the post was for Herg not you so I've no idea why you want to keep diving in there 

Quote from: Sammy the Cat on July 04, 2018, 19:44

Quote from: increasingdifficulty on July 04, 2018, 13:58
Again, you should really take a statistics course, or at least use common sense. This is ridiculous.

I agree ~ feel happy now? 

Sorry for troubling you. There was me think a low level of sales and a 25% and 16 % occurence on repeat quantities would have been would have been of interest.

And the post was for Herg not you so I've no idea why you want to keep diving in there 

Here's your statistics assignment for the weekend :-)

Poisson clumping

Poisson clumping, or Poisson bursts,[1] is the phenomenon wherein random events may appear to have a tendency to occur in clusters, clumps, or bursts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisson_clumping

Quote from: Sammy the Cat on July 04, 2018, 09:53

Quote from: Herg on July 03, 2018, 08:53
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I hear you bro

Monthly sales at DT for the last year, see the pattern?
17   17   15   20   21   10   28   11   17   12   11   14

What about this pattern:

Pi = 3.
1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923 0781640628620899862803482534211706798214808651328230664709384460 9550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954 9303819644288109756659334461284756482337867831652712019091456485 6692346034861045432664821339360726024914127372458700660631558817 4881520920962829254091715364367892590360011330530548820466521384 1469519415116094330572703657595919530921861173819326117931051185 4807446237996274956735188575272489122793818301194912983367336244 0656643086021394946395224737190702179860943702770539217176293176 7523846748184676694051320005681271452635608277857713427577896091 7363717872146844090122495343014654958537105079227968925892354201 995611212902196086403441815981362977477130996051870721134
999999 
83729780499510597317328160963185950244594553469083026425223082533 4468503526193118817101000313783875288658753320838142061717766914 7303598253490428755468731159562863882353787593751957781857780532 171226806613001927876611195909216420198....

There are so many consecutive 9s somewhere among those thousand decimals!

Wow! What about that?
Something is definitely fishy here!

Sports commentary seems similar to microstock commentary.

Quote from: Zero Talent on July 05, 2018, 04:43

What about this pattern:

Pi = 3.
1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923 0781640628620899862803482534211706798214808651328230664709384460 9550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954 9303819644288109756659334461284756482337867831652712019091456485 6692346034861045432664821339360726024914127372458700660631558817 4881520920962829254091715364367892590360011330530548820466521384 1469519415116094330572703657595919530921861173819326117931051185 4807446237996274956735188575272489122793818301194912983367336244 0656643086021394946395224737190702179860943702770539217176293176 7523846748184676694051320005681271452635608277857713427577896091 7363717872146844090122495343014654958537105079227968925892354201 995611212902196086403441815981362977477130996051870721134
999999 
83729780499510597317328160963185950244594553469083026425223082533 4468503526193118817101000313783875288658753320838142061717766914 7303598253490428755468731159562863882353787593751957781857780532 171226806613001927876611195909216420198....

There are so many consecutive 9s somewhere among those thousand decimals!

Wow! What about that?
Something is definitely fishy here!

Hahahaha

You boys should really get a room your so in love with you're selves

Quote from: Sammy the Cat on July 05, 2018, 07:47
Hahahaha

You boys should really get a room your so in love with you're selves

Serious question: why do you still bother with microstock?

I read some of your early posts and in 2014 you were already saying things like "take my word for it the whole microstock loveboat is dead in the water."

You've been complaining about falling sales and worsening commissions for years.

How low do they have to go before you give up?

You don't seem very happy.

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Quote from: Pauws99 on June 15, 2018, 08:29

Quote from: BalkanskiMacak on June 14, 2018, 23:47

Quote from: Pauws99 on June 14, 2018, 17:35

Quote from: BalkanskiMacak on June 14, 2018, 15:26
Well, I saw, over the past year, some revenue increase, making it the second highest in the grow of the low earners... Then, I got a careful look at the stats: they are now accepting more or less anything, so the RPI is actually extremely low, the worst of the platforms I'm on... When even 123RF is better, then it's maybe time to consider leaving the boat!

Why does RPI matter?

I

because it's the main KPI, the one that determines how much I gained per image, and if is it worth for me to spend time uploading pictures on the platform

Only if you stop uploading. It takes exactly the same time to upload a rejected image as an accepted one. So if you have 10,000 images on one site that accepted everything and made £1,000 and 500 images on another that rejected 9,500 images and you made £500 which is better? Income vs time spent working on that site is a better measure...I guess you could include images worked on but not accepted at each site...that would improve it as a measure.

Images online is a much easier measure. Plus, a decent measure of time invested. In your example, the 9,500 rejected images would be indication of loss of investment, or expense ...

I suppose ... as far as KPIs and rejections are concerned, you could measure images submitted as the leading measure, and images rejected as the outcome measure. Images submitted and earnings would make a decent amount of sense I suppose.

To be honest though, I doubt it matters for Dreamstime now, it is dead. Just figured I'd chime in because I like KPIs n maths n stuff.

Images on line may be easier but it is not an accurate measure of time invested for the reasons rehearsed previously...if you submit 10,000 images and one is accepted that is the same time invested as if you had 10,000 accepted. I do agree is academic really unless you have tens of thousands of images I doub't the stats really tell you more than gut feel. I do find the stats discussions interesting but I think people tend to draw way more meaning into the numbers than they merit RPD in particular. If I was doing this as a full time business I would be keeping a timesheet as time is probably the biggest input though some do seem to spend an extraordinary amount on equipment for an industry with relatively low returns.

Quote from: Pauws99 on July 05, 2018, 13:39
Images on line may be easier but it is not an accurate measure of time invested for the reasons rehearsed previously...if you submit 10,000 images and one is accepted that is the same time invested as if you had 10,000 accepted. I do agree is academic really unless you have tens of thousands of images I doub't the stats really tell you more than gut feel. I do find the stats discussions interesting but I think people tend to draw way more meaning into the numbers than they merit RPD in particular. If I was doing this as a full time business I would be keeping a timesheet as time is probably the biggest input though some do seem to spend an extraordinary amount on equipment for an industry with relatively low returns.

Wasting time on statistics, trends and observations, instead of what sells now and where to best market now? People can sit and count their pennies over and over, it doesn't change how many there are.  Living in the past, doesn't define what will happen in the future.

Low returns, well yes, except I'd have this equipment and be taking photos anyway. Microstock, in my case, is just an outlet for what I'm doing already and a way to recover some of the expenses that I'd already have. I'm not doing this for a living. I do get some travel and equipment depreciation as a tax deduction. I'm pretty happy for those reasons. I should admit, I'm not dependent on Microstock for my income, it's roughly 100% discretionary income. 

I admit, that fact might change my viewpoint of the system and agencies. I never saw how groveling for quarters and RF downloads was a potential way to make a stable living. Yes someone will now point out that some do. Hey, all you math wizards, most don't make a reasonable wage and many don't cover equipment costs. Some are a success. Expectations and rational business views are important. Don't expect to make a living or much money at Microstock. Now the market is saturated and incomes are dropping, don't expect things to ever be the way they were.

I said this when I started, partly because of the referral money and people recruiting new friends to the way to make money. It's more like a MLM where people in at the beginning and those who recruit new members will make the money. Sure we aren't selling soap or vitamins, but look at what happened? Many join, few profit, and the agencies take the cream off the top, before paying us a pittance. Oh Yeah Baby, make money from those old photos on your hard drive...


(for those who don't get it = old photos on a hard drive...)

Some do well, some have done very well, most don't. Translation: don't quit your day job.  We should warn all new people who come here and talk of future sales and income, that there are people on the forum, who have been doing this for over ten years, and they have seen the fall and the future from an experienced effort over a long time. Hope and optimism are wonderful, don't let me quash those dreams, but please read and see what you are getting into, before thinking there's any kind of future in Microstock.

DT is dead because their time has passed. That's what happens in business. Nice people, nice agency, the big competition and the market are going to bury DT. I don't know how the other small agencies are surviving. Eventually if it costs more to stay in business, with losses year after year, it's time to stop bailing and abandoned the ship. When DT closes, that's a huge sign of the status of the Microstock photo business market.

Quote from: qwerty on July 04, 2018, 10:06
I wish this thread was dead dead dead

Dead and dead!

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I hear you bro

Monthly sales at DT for the last year, see the pattern?
17   17   15   20   21   10   28   11   17   12   11   14

That's lot of money on Dreamstime for me.

Quote from: Uncle Pete on July 05, 2018, 17:46


Wasting time on statistics, trends and observations, instead of what sells now and where to best market now?

How do you know what sells now and where is best to market unless you look at statistics and trends?

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