Ruth Bader Ginsburg !!!!!! RIP. You will be missed terribly. She was a giant.

A force. RIP RBG 

Heartbreaking. 

 2020 just went from bad to over-the-top awful.

She was my law professor and I knew her.  She got me into her Supreme Court argument in the Goldfarb case.  She was a truly brilliant person/woman.

z"l RBG  ;
America: words fail me. 

Quote from: William Perry on September 19, 2020, 03:35
She was my law professor and I knew her.  She got me into her Supreme Court argument in the Goldfarb case.  She was a truly brilliant person/woman.

Very cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

R.I.P

Quote from: ShadySue on September 19, 2020, 19:15
z"l RBG  ;
America: words fail me. 

A million thanks for your sympathy. Words are failing many of us right now, too.

The consequences of RBG's death were always going to be big, but it's the timing of it — happening at this already-fraught moment in our history — that make it 1,000 times more dangerous.

Nobody here knows what lies ahead except a political battle between entrenched tribal factions that could, under some scenarios, actually lead to a civil war. God help us.

RBJ and Conservative Justice Scalia were great friends.  They had one point in common a reverence for the Constitution.  Neither one of them would favor a Civil War or some of the extreme rhetoric "tear this country/government down".  Maybe there is more that unites us than we realize.  The last Civil War cost more than 600,000 American lives.  So we have to be careful with those words.

Quote from: William Perry on September 20, 2020, 00:43
RBJ and Conservative Justice Scalia were great friends.  They had one point in common a reverence for the Constitution.  Neither one of them would favor a Civil War or some of the extreme rhetoric "tear this country/government down".  Maybe there is more that unites us than we realize.  The last Civil War cost more than 600,000 American lives.  So we have to be careful with those words.

I agree. And I am not advocating that we tear this country/government down. Exactly the opposite.

Still, doesn't it seem sometimes that we are still fighting over the same old issues that launched that Civil War 160 years ago? Unfortunately, neither Ginsburg nor Scalia is alive today to keep us from falling into the same trap again.

Nope.  People forget that 600,000 lives were lost in the Civil War.

Moreover, was just watching RBG on CNN and one point was made:  Ruth was seeking to build a consensus.  Ruth understood the vital issue to go along to get along.  Keep her friendships because although the conservative justices may oppose you on certain issues in other cases it may be possible to persuade them to come around to your side.  The Decision in the VMI case, her proudest case, was unanimous.

RBG, unlike many recently, did not demonize the opposition.  Trump said today that Ruth know how to disagree but not be disagreeable.  She understood that even though Justices like Scalia would oppose her in many cases, both she and Scalia had one thing in common a reverence for the Constitution.  When asked about his relationship with RBG, Scalia stated that some things are more important than votes.

Ruth would definitely oppose the extreme elements in the Dem party that want to tear the system down.  RBG revered the Constitution and understood the very important point do not make enemies because in some cases they could become your allies.

Respect the other side was her motto even though you could vigorously disagree with them.  Because in politics at the Supreme Court and elsewhere opinions can change.

Senator Orrin Hatch, no liberal, voted for RBJ at her confirmation because he firmly believe although a liberal, Ruth was appointed by a liberal President,  Bill Clinton, and she deserved to get the job.

Wish we could go back to that standard today.

Quote from: William Perry on September 20, 2020, 05:12
Trump said today that Ruth know how to disagree but not be disagreeable.

That's rich, coming from Trump.

Quote from: Shelma1 on September 20, 2020, 13:07

Quote from: William Perry on September 20, 2020, 05:12
Trump said today that Ruth know how to disagree but not be disagreeable.

That's rich, coming from Trump.

Classic example of "Do as I say, not as I do."

Quote from: William Perry on September 19, 2020, 03:35
She was my law professor and I knew her.  She got me into her Supreme Court argument in the Goldfarb case.  She was a truly brilliant person/woman.

It must have been amazing to have her as a professor.

She was a great jurist. It may be a very long time before we see the likes of her again. Yesterday was a very sad and scary day for our country. Just when you thought 2020 couldn't get worse. She will be missed.

Quote from: wordplanet on September 20, 2020, 18:02
Yesterday was a very sad and scary day for our country. Just when you thought 2020 couldn't get worse.

Exactly.

RBG was truly one our greatest, and along w John Lewis was desperately needed. Scary days ahead - the news was barely out when despicable mCconnell promised a confirmation soon (he doesnt even know WHO will be nominated) but as when most republicans who took an oath to consider the evidence in the impeachment trial, basic decency and truth no longer applies to the republican party.

Quote from: William Perry on September 20, 2020, 05:12
Nope.  People forget that 600,000 lives were lost in the Civil War.

actually modern analysis puts it at 750K, but more relevant to current days is 2/3 died from disease! WWI saw 50% dying from disease (which incudes the influenza pandemic).  oddly, about 20% died from disease in each other war in the 20th c - the  biggest advance was recognizing and acting on the germ theory of late 19th c.  This was achieved thru basic science  and governments of both parties who took the advice of scientists

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Senator Orrin Hatch, no liberal, voted for RBJ at her confirmation because he firmly believe although a liberal, Ruth was appointed by a liberal President,  Bill Clinton, and she deserved to get the job.

the actual vote was 96 to 3!  (Scalia was confirmed a few years earlier 98-0  )

But Ruth also stated that she probably could not be confirmed in this political environment these days.  The hyper partisanship means that great jurists cannot and will not want to go through the trauma of Senate trial.  Not good for the country.

Suggest renting or watching the Movie based on her Life. brilliant. "On the basis of sex"

The Ruth Bader Ginsburg Doc 'RBG' Is Now on Hulu, not on Netflix. We just watched it last night.

"The 97-minute-long documentary takes a look at the life of Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, known lovingly by her initials "RBG." The film attempts to portray Ginsburg as more than just a iconic member of the sitting Supreme Court, but as a woman who helped forward the cause of the women's movement from within the legal system."

The greatest? Not according to snopes.

Quote from: thirdbornentertainment on September 24, 2020, 00:55
The greatest? Not according to snopes.

I didn't know snopes commented on subjective opinions

Quote from: thirdbornentertainment on September 24, 2020, 00:55
The greatest? Not according to snopes.

link please - i found nothing but a link to a very positive article

the rest of the world might raise an eyebrow at this claim, and perhaps offer up some alternative candidates for this title. but then again, when americans say "world" they mean themselves....

sorry for your loss, by all accounts she was an incredible woman.

Quote from: thirdbornentertainment on September 24, 2020, 00:55
The greatest? Not according to snopes.

Surely a great woman, but I never heard about her before... I know, I am ignorant...
What about Marie Curie, Harriet Tubman, Mother Teresa, Joan of Arc, Emily Dickinson, Cleopatra, Amelia Earhart, Eva Peron, Rosa Parks, Olympe de Gouges and thousands of other "greatest women ever"?

Oh, and Her Majesty the Queen, of course!
lol