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Quote from: cobalt on March 31, 2023, 12:20
midjourney temporarily halts free image trial

https://www.pcworld.com/article/1677533/midjourney-halts-free-trials-after-ai-photos-go-viral.html

Do not understand what the "AI-generated fake images that went viral" have to do with the free trial. It's not like the paid subscription will keep you from generating "fake images" - After all that's the whole point of midjourney.

"There's an expert .. who says that if there is not an indefinite pause on AI development ... 'Literally everyone on Earth will die,'"

Uhm, okay? I still do not understand what that has  to do with Midjourney stopping their free trial?

Humor that's a shortage around here.

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Quote from: Her Ugliness on March 31, 2023, 21:16

Quote from: Year of the Dog on March 31, 2023, 15:29

Quote from: Her Ugliness on March 31, 2023, 12:31

Quote from: cobalt on March 31, 2023, 12:20
midjourney temporarily halts free image trial

https://www.pcworld.com/article/1677533/midjourney-halts-free-trials-after-ai-photos-go-viral.html

Even humor needs to make some sense. Like: What

Do not understand what the "AI-generated fake images that went viral" have to do with the free trial. It's not like the paid subscription will keep you from generating "fake images" - After all that's the whole point of midjourney.

"There's an expert .. who says that if there is not an indefinite pause on AI development ... 'Literally everyone on Earth will die,'"

Uhm, okay? I still do not understand what that has  to do with Midjourney stopping their free trial?

Humor that's a shortage around here.

Humor should still  make sense.

"There's an expert .. who says that if there is not an indefinite pause on AI development ...Literally everyone on Earth will die...unless we PAY for the AI, then it's okay."

See, now it can pass as poor humor.  Before it was glibberish that had no thematic connection to the question as to why MJ stopping their free trial with the explanation that it could cause harm, but continues with their paid service.

Quote from: cobalt on April 04, 2023, 14:23
Could we perhaps move the climate change discussion/politics into a different thread?

I would like to continue using this thread for collecting useful links and articles about generative ai.

THANK YOU.

I would love for politics to not come up but when a grown ass man in the year of our Lord 2023 drops in the line "Liberals invented Climate Change" what the heck do you expect me to do.

This is why very few pros come here any more. It's turning into Facebook.

How can you go back to having adult/ professional conversation taking people seriously once you know the mental capacity of people you are talking to.

Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

At least we wont have to worry about it soon, when AI has taken all our jobs or the planet becomes unlivable, which ever comes first.

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on April 04, 2023, 16:45

Quote from: cobalt on April 04, 2023, 14:23
Could we perhaps move the climate change discussion/politics into a different thread?

I would like to continue using this thread for collecting useful links and articles about generative ai.

THANK YOU.

I would love for politics to not come up but when a grown ass man in the year of our Lord 2023 drops in the line "Liberals invented Climate Change" what the heck do you expect me to do.

This is why very few pros come here any more. It's turning into Facebook.

How can you go back to having adult/ professional conversation taking people seriously once you know the mental capacity of people you are talking to.

Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

At least we wont have to worry about it soon, when AI has taken all our jobs or the planet becomes unlivable, which ever comes first.

Start at the source, not the reply? And attack issues not people, personally?

Quote from: cascoly on March 31, 2023, 19:35

sure....
and expert economists have predicted nine of the last 7 recessions

and a few 'expert' biologists refuse to accept evolution

and rightwing experts refuse to accept climate change

[an example of expert blunders/ignorance, not meant to start any debates on those topics]

Hey a new term, related to the stock image markets?  de-generative ai

OK back to he said, she said, they said, AI is going to do this or that or everyone wringing their hands about the disaster, theft, how it's abusive and illegal. How many months of the same comments, repeated, before the topic has sufficiently been beat to dead?

Until the courts deal with these questions and fair use, we don't know the answers. I do know that AI isn't going away, because some people on a forum are disagreeing.

Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 04, 2023, 17:14

Start at the source, not the reply? And attack issues not people, personally?

Attack the issue that "liberals invented climate change"? LOL no, you're okay. I'll just go back to ignoring you.

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Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 04, 2023, 17:14

Start at the source, not the reply? And attack issues not people, personally?

Attack the issue that "liberals invented climate change"? LOL no, you're okay. I'll just go back to ignoring you.

Please do, I'd appreciate not having to read your arrogant, egocentric and patronizing comments about the rest of us here.

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Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on April 04, 2023, 17:28

Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 04, 2023, 17:14

Start at the source, not the reply? And attack issues not people, personally?

Attack the issue that "liberals invented climate change"? LOL no, you're okay. I'll just go back to ignoring you.

Please do, I'd appreciate not having to read your arrogant, egocentric and patronizing comments about the rest of us here.

"Rest of us". Nice try. Pretty sure most people here aren't spreading that "Liberals invented climate change". Don't read my comments if you don't want to, I will continue to push back on nonsense and misinformation though.

Quote from: cobalt on March 07, 2023, 21:21
Hello everyone,

generative ai is transforming our industry more drastically than the invention of the photocamera transformed art.

Allover the internet creatives are having very emotional discussions and reassessing their personal and business futures.

Is Ai an opportunity, a new tool? Is it the robot overlord that will replace us all? Is there nothing creative left for humanity to explore? Is this the end...?

etc...


Hope you find this thread useful.

I'm looking forward to the courts dealing with these questions. Seems like many agencies and places offering this AI technology, have different opinions of their rights, our rights, their resources, how they process things and where they obtain training data.

Now returning the thread to it's regularly scheduled on topic discussion.

Guys,

START YOUR OWN THREAD ON CLIMATE CHANGE. In Off topic.

Then you can keep slinging at each other as much as you like. We will get popcorn.

Quote from: cobalt on April 04, 2023, 20:22
Guys,

START YOUR OWN THREAD ON CLIMATE CHANGE. In Off topic.

Then you can keep slinging at each other as much as you like. We will get popcorn.

That's what I just wrote. Back on topic.

I'm looking forward to the first court cases to start being decided. Leading into that, the US Supreme Court has heard arguments on the Fair Use suit from Goldsmith vs Warhol was argued the end of last year. That decision should be coming up this year. In fact, it's been since October.

The case is actually:  "Andy Warhol Foundation for the Visual Arts, Inc. v. Goldsmith"

The important question, which relates to AI and created images, is at the very heart of the situation. What is Fair Use?

ps The US Never Landed on the Moon, OJ Didn't do it and yes you can get 50MPG from a simple change to your cars carburetor.    My apologies for making an absurd joke about bias and opinions and polarizing "Experts Say..." because someone can find support for either side of many of these, no matter how ridiculous that claim is. 87.6% of all statistics are false or made up!

Just researching this morning, nothing really new, but here's a nice case of why the patent office and the copyright office, have the opinions that they do.

The Federal Circuit adopted a comparable stance for AI invention in the patent context in Thaler v. Vidal, Appeal No. 2021-2347 (Fed. Cir. Aug. 5, 2022). Writing for the court, Circuit Judge Stark proclaimed, "there is no ambiguity: the Patent Act requires that inventors must be natural persons; that is, human beings."

My Bold

https://cafc.uscourts.gov/opinions-orders/21-2347.OPINION.8-5-2022_1988142.pdf

Same holds for Copyright, until it gets to the Supreme Court. The above is a circuit court decision.

Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 05, 2023, 22:15...
The Federal Circuit adopted a comparable stance for AI invention in the patent context in Thaler v. Vidal, Appeal No. 2021-2347 (Fed. Cir. Aug. 5, 2022). Writing for the court, Circuit Judge Stark proclaimed, "there is no ambiguity: the Patent Act requires that inventors must be natural persons; that is, human beings."

My Bold...

really just shows how far behind these agencies are -- it ignores the real question of whether someone using a tool can be a creator/inventor (and of course, no artist is trying to patent their AI creations)

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Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 05, 2023, 22:15...
The Federal Circuit adopted a comparable stance for AI invention in the patent context in Thaler v. Vidal, Appeal No. 2021-2347 (Fed. Cir. Aug. 5, 2022). Writing for the court, Circuit Judge Stark proclaimed, "there is no ambiguity: the Patent Act requires that inventors must be natural persons; that is, human beings."

My Bold...

it ignores the real question of whether someone using a tool can be a creator/inventor

No, it doesn't ignore the "real question". This question doesn't even arise.

Since with an AI image generator all you do is describe an image to the AI and the AI creates the image, not you, it is exacly the same as you going to an artist and commissioning him or her: You describe to him or her what you want, the artists paints or photographes the image. Are you the creator (and therfore by default the copyright holder) or the artist? No one would question the case here, so why should we with AI images? The creator is the one who creates the image, not the one who describes it.

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Quote from: cascoly on April 06, 2023, 01:03
it ignores the real question of whether someone using a tool can be a creator/inventor

No, it doesn't ignore the "real question". This question doesn't even arise.

Since with an AI image generator all you do is describe an image to the AI and the AI creates the image, not you, it is exacly the same as you going to an artist and commissioning him or her: You describe to him or her what you want, the artists paints or photographes the image. Are you the creator (and therfore by default the copyright holder) or the artist? No one would question the case here, so why should we with AI images? The creator is the one who creates the image, not the one who describes it.

You're right!
The brush has become autonomous and has big ears. Mediocre slackers can now feel powerful without any skill and have the feeling that they are a master, here is the gist of the question (This can be an idea to be generated as image in AI..., but if you do, don't forget I am the Artist!!!  ).
Ideas become art, it's great for the immature!!

Quote from: cascoly on April 06, 2023, 01:03

Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 05, 2023, 22:15...
The Federal Circuit adopted a comparable stance for AI invention in the patent context in Thaler v. Vidal, Appeal No. 2021-2347 (Fed. Cir. Aug. 5, 2022). Writing for the court, Circuit Judge Stark proclaimed, "there is no ambiguity: the Patent Act requires that inventors must be natural persons; that is, human beings."

My Bold...

really just shows how far behind these agencies are -- it ignores the real question of whether someone using a tool can be a creator/inventor (and of course, no artist is trying to patent their AI creations)

The same laws are applied for copyright and for patent when it comes to intellectual property. You must register for a Patent you don't need to register for a Copyright.

Which brings up the next complication. If something is automatically protected by copyright, by being created, then something anyone creates with AI is also protected. It just can't be registered.

Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 06, 2023, 18:33
then something anyone creates with AI is also protected

Only that no one can create anything with AI. All  you can do is describe the image, the AI creates it.

Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 06, 2023, 18:33...

Which brings up the next complication. If something is automatically protected by copyright, by being created, then something anyone creates with AI is also protected. It just can't be registered.

exactly

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Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 06, 2023, 18:33
then something anyone creates with AI is also protected

Only that no one can create anything with AI. All  you can do is describe the image, the AI creates it.

complete nonsense - how many times have you produced a salable image that easily?

again, we cant tell when people refuse to show their portfolios, but it may be that those complaining AI creators arent artists are already having trouble competing in the stock photography market.  it's irrelevant with stock photography. 

one could argue that much salable stock photography is not really 'art' and isnt created because the 'non-artist' just has to point their phone & click.

Quote from: Her Ugliness on April 06, 2023, 19:49
Only that no one can create anything with AI. All  you can do is describe the image, the AI creates it.

exactly

This article actually champions the thoughtful use of AI, by someone in the industry, notwithstanding the title:

The Call to Halt 'Dangerous' AI Research Ignores a Simple Truth - Wired Magazine:
https://www.wired.com/story/the-call-to-halt-dangerous-ai-research-ignores-a-simple-truth/

If AI fights for truth, maybe they can consider that real world is more trustfull than artificial replacement.
Here is my joke, and sorrry, only Generative HS (Human Stupidity)  using photoshop here...

Edge's AI image generator will be available to everyone as they offer Dall-e as a sidebar choice. Image Creator generates AI images based on your text. Powered by DALL-E

https://www.bing.com/images/create/make-a-picture-of-someone-with-their-hair-on-fire-/643002e35ed84c1aa58e497290ff82b7?id=EqfuN07OAySY3mlihdEUvw%3d%3d&view=detailv2&idpp=genimg&edgehub=1&lightschemeovr=1&FORM=GCRIDP&mode=overlay

Use of Creations. Subject to your compliance with this Agreement, the Microsoft Services Agreement, and our Content Policy, you may use Creations outside of the Online Services for any legal personal, non-commercial purpose.

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This article actually champions the thoughtful use of AI, by someone in the industry, notwithstanding the title:

The Call to Halt 'Dangerous' AI Research Ignores a Simple Truth - Wired Magazine:
https://www.wired.com/story/the-call-to-halt-dangerous-ai-research-ignores-a-simple-truth/

This will come into the "Watch out for what you asked for" category.

Algorithmic Accountability Act of 2022 To Require New Transparency And Accountability For Automated Decision Systems... so there is no discrimination or bias. How does that work out in the future for equality, advocacy and affirmative action? No race, gender, national origin or age bias. Just the facts and qualifications?

Transparency? Oh please, lets have the IRS disclose how they operate and the state tax agencies as well. Who do they prosecute, audit and who do they ignore? How do they function, lets have transparency?

Quote from: alan b traehern on April 07, 2023, 12:56
Edge's AI image generator will be available to everyone as they offer Dall-e as a sidebar choice. Image Creator generates AI images based on your text. Powered by DALL-E

https://www.bing.com/images/create/make-a-picture-of-someone-with-their-hair-on-fire-/643002e35ed84c1aa58e497290ff82b7?id=EqfuN07OAySY3mlihdEUvw%3d%3d&view=detailv2&idpp=genimg&edgehub=1&lightschemeovr=1&FORM=GCRIDP&mode=overlay

Use of Creations. Subject to your compliance with this Agreement, the Microsoft Services Agreement, and our Content Policy, you may use Creations outside of the Online Services for any legal personal, non-commercial purpose.

Oh good news, I can create many more free cartoons and illustrations now, instead of my monthly 15. Personally and someone else has said this, DALL-E is pretty good at those things, and for useful images, without spending hours correcting and adjusting, not so good. I can see some people who are against this, right now. 

Your image:


Terms say for non-commercial purposes. Oh and nice hands?

Bit of a waste of time creating AI images until they can export files larger enough to be accepted by a stock agency

Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 07, 2023, 17:02

There is something I don't understand, why not green teeth?