Quote from: ferdinand on December 11, 2023, 19:13
how to contact SS? Contact us - on my home page dosen t work...

Go to another page?  It works on most of them.  https://support.submit.shutterstock.com/s/?language=en_US  But I don't know if you are English, so that may not be helpful.

"Earnings from datasets and downloads of AI-generated content produced with integrated technology on our platform are pooled in a collective fund and will be distributed periodically as the fund accumulates significant revenue for distribution. If you have generated earnings from the fund, you will see those posted in your Earnings Summary, in the "Contributor Fund" column."

There's the answer?   distributed periodically   

Has anyone recently been paid from the Contributor fund? The last time I did it was May 2023. It seems strange to me that since then not a single cent!

Quote from: roidi on January 03, 2024, 11:27
Has anyone recently been paid from the Contributor fund? The last time I did it was May 2023. It seems strange to me that since then not a single cent!

I am surprised people kept thinking they would get infinite and regular payments for this. Once an AI is trained, it's trained, it doesn't need your images every month or every couple of months. And the amount of new Ai image generators developers want to create is also not infinite, so your images will only be needed when someoen wants to develope a new product - and the big players in the game like DALL-E and Midjourney just scrap google foir images to train their AI anyways and don't pay for them on microstock agencies.

Quote from: Her Ugliness on January 03, 2024, 11:38

Quote from: roidi on January 03, 2024, 11:27
Has anyone recently been paid from the Contributor fund? The last time I did it was May 2023. It seems strange to me that since then not a single cent!

I am surprised people kept thinking they would get infinite and regular payments for this. Once an AI is trained, it's trained, it doesn't need your images every month or every couple of months. And the amount of new Ai image generators developers want to create is also not infinite, so your images will only be needed when someoen wants to develope a new product - and the big players in the game like DALL-E and Midjourney just scrap google foir images to train their AI anyways and don't pay for them on microstock agencies.

Yes, I also think that AI once sucked Shutterstock and other agencies and why train again when it already has them all

Quote from: roidi on January 03, 2024, 12:03
I am surprised people kept thinking they would get infinite and regular payments for this. Once an AI is trained, it's trained, it doesn't need your images every month or every couple of months.

But it is totally obvious. Imagine yourself as Shutterstock. Would you offer these images forever? And never get any other money again? That would be financial suicide. You would offer them for some time period. The AI algorithms is developing as well, it needs more images, newer images,... you need to retrain the new AI model,...

For example, the Shutterstock's deal with OpenAI is for 6 years. After that, OpenAI has to licence the images again.

Quote from: mino216 on January 05, 2024, 21:49

For example, the Shutterstock's deal with OpenAI is for 6 years. After that, OpenAI has to licence the images again.

This means OpenAI will have access to new submitted photos for 6 years. After 6 years they will not get any new photos. There is no need to licence old photos that were already used to train their AI again.

Quote from: Her Ugliness on January 06, 2024, 07:17

Quote from: mino216 on January 05, 2024, 21:49

For example, the Shutterstock's deal with OpenAI is for 6 years. After that, OpenAI has to licence the images again.

This means OpenAI will have access to new submitted photos for 6 years. After 6 years they will not get any new photos. There is no need to licence old photos that were already used to train their AI again.

Herr Ugli Ness, see above. Yes, once used, we aren't needed, SS doesn't need to license again, and we get nothing. Only way I can see that any of us get more, is a second set, a specific need, new requests for only new images, and that kind of thing. The AI people may need to add to specific areas of the data set. That's about it.

Quote from: Her Ugliness on January 06, 2024, 07:17

Quote from: mino216 on January 05, 2024, 21:49

For example, the Shutterstock's deal with OpenAI is for 6 years. After that, OpenAI has to licence the images again.

This means OpenAI will have access to new submitted photos for 6 years. After 6 years they will not get any new photos. There is no need to licence old photos that were already used to train their AI again.

They will need to licence them again, because they have licenced them for 6 years only. They have to retrain the system periodically including the old images. AI algorithms do not work so easily that you can just "add" the new stuff on something you already have. DALL-E 4 will use the same images to be trained on as DALL-E 3, it needs them again, and will have some new too. And if you do not have a licence to use the old images after X years, they will have to get the new licence even for the old ones.

Quote from: mino216 on January 08, 2024, 15:54

Quote from: Her Ugliness on January 06, 2024, 07:17

Quote from: mino216 on January 05, 2024, 21:49

For example, the Shutterstock's deal with OpenAI is for 6 years. After that, OpenAI has to licence the images again.

This means OpenAI will have access to new submitted photos for 6 years. After 6 years they will not get any new photos. There is no need to licence old photos that were already used to train their AI again.

They will need to licence them again, because they have licenced them for 6 years only. They have to retrain the system periodically including the old images. AI algorithms do not work so easily that you can just "add" the new stuff on something you already have. DALL-E 4 will use the same images to be trained on as DALL-E 3, it needs them again, and will have some new too. And if you do not have a licence to use the old images after X years, they will have to get the new licence even for the old ones.

But they won't need the images again. The AI places don't care, because they don't need to use the images again. Just like what they scraped from the Internet. Once the image has been used for machine learning, it is not being used again.

What I'm saying is, the six year license is for training, not use. Once the training is done... we get nothing.

Almost missed it, but I saw a small fee from the contributor fund yesterday. Not even half of what we got in 2023.

Quote from: Roscoe on January 25, 2024, 14:44
Almost missed it, but I saw a small fee from the contributor fund yesterday. Not even half of what we got in 2023.

Same with me, it was peanuts.


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Quote from: Roscoe on January 25, 2024, 14:44
Almost missed it, but I saw a small fee from the contributor fund yesterday. Not even half of what we got in 2023.

I got $1.40.

Off to buy the caviar and champagne in a few minutes.

Really low ammount... like they have balanced low sales this month, with just something...

Is this only for photos or for videos too?

Who knows... if for both or video, than AI took advantage of us..

Most likely this is for 2023 everything that was included in the Datacatalog

I got $3.82 today. I also got $27.27 on October 24th 2023, but nobody else reported getting anything at that time. Anyway, typical Shutterstock, no communication with contributors, so we are all just left scratching our heads about what period this covers.

Quote from: Dimaximus on January 27, 2024, 08:53
Most likely this is for 2023 everything that was included in the Datacatalog

Well I got nothing and some people got something.

Quote from: synthetick on January 27, 2024, 10:19
Anyway, typical Shutterstock, no communication with contributors, so we are all just left scratching our heads about what period this covers.

100% award for you!

anyone received funds on 29th ?

Yes, many received 24 and 29, they didn't give me anything at all... at least they explained something, well, that's Shatter, they don't care about us

I just realized I got money for contributor fund on the 24th - which should not happen, since I am opted out of data licensing and always have ever since the day the opt out option was available.... 

Quote from: Uncle Pete on January 09, 2024, 19:04
But they won't need the images again. The AI places don't care, because they don't need to use the images again. Just like what they scraped from the Internet. Once the image has been used for machine learning, it is not being used again.

What I'm saying is, the six year license is for training, not use. Once the training is done... we get nothing.

They will. They will create new AI models and these models will need the images once again. How do you want to do that without these images? The new models will increase amount of parametres, will be trained to do more stuff that the old model was not trained to, you need these images to train it on. You cannot just use the previous model that will miraculously use the previously trained information in a completely new algorithm with new features. You do not need it for fine-tuning the algorithm, but in the six-year period, there will be at least 3, maybe even more totally new generations of models trained completely from scratch.

In my case, strange unexpected Contributor fund received on 26th...

I live in Turkey and I have not received participant funding yet.

I am joining from Turkey. I last received a participant fund payment in May 2023. I didn't buy it after that. Has anyone bought it recently?