Quote from: cobalt on June 14, 2024, 10:10
Don't worry, I have the little troll on ignore, I only see the posts if someone quotes them.

I didn't know about that awesome feature! Thanks for pointing that out. I can now ignore idiots and focus on reading posts from intelligent and well-mannered individuals. This will make my time spent on this forum a lot more enjoyable.

Quote from: cobalt on June 14, 2024, 10:10
Don't worry, I have the little troll on ignore, I only see the posts if someone quotes them.

I am really impressed with people images. They take quite a while to start selling, but then sell very consistently.

Really wish I had done that sooner. Only have around 700 now and trying to add at least 3-5 every day. I probably need at least 3000 to see a real impact.

Looks like most of the top producers have people ports, whether normal photo or ai.

When using Firefly, people images can be tough. The results can require a lot of post work, and even then many times get rejected (after sitting in queue for many weeks) for technical reasons which can be not at all clear.

Quote from: cobalt on June 14, 2024, 10:10
Don't worry, I have the little troll on ignore, I only see the posts if someone quotes them.

No problem, I don't mind those kind of guys - but I think you have to stand up to it from time to time ^^ Even if the energy is thrown out the window, but I have enough energy :-)

Things are continuing to go downhill for me this week - the 14th week in a row for no apparent reason.
Meanwhile Pos 4.250 of formerly 2.900 with exactly 100 downloads this week... I have no idea what AS has done, but I'm now down 30% in 14 weeks.

Quote from: DiscreetDuck on June 13, 2024, 19:26

Quote from: cobalt on June 13, 2024, 17:11
The struggle is real indeed. Only 8 sales today so far. pos 5140.

But I am already selling easter eggs...

I am trying to add more people, but it is a slow process.

Only 8! 
I did much more, and of course not a single AI image in my port, only the true world represented.
Where is your miracle of generating AI photograshits? 

I don't know how long you've been in the microstock business. But even if it hasn't been that long, you should still be aware that you could experience a total crash tomorrow if an agency were to change the algorithm. So if I were you, I would be very careful about gloating - at least that's how I perceive your words.

The statement "I did much more" says absolutely nothing. If you have a portfolio twice or five times as large, you should of course do "much more". Since you don't show any figures, your statement is pretty worthless in terms of content.

I don't have a single AI image in my portfolio myself. I also don't like the current development in the industry for various reasons.

But you can save yourself this spitefulness or keep it to yourself. We're not in kindergarten here. 

If you don't like AI and the resulting consequences, discuss it. That's what the forum is for. But not for spiteful comments.

It appears that people who are constantly bitter and enjoy conflict may be dealing with unresolved personal issues or insecurities. Their negative behavior could be a way to exert control or feel superior, hiding their own struggles or dissatisfaction with life.

Majority of the whiny people don't show their ports for a reason.

They triumphantly exclaim they had more than 10 sales a day...probably on a port with 50 000 sliced cucumbers, sunsets and flowers...but is done ,,without ai" which they try to present as a miracle achievement and amazing ,,art"

So for the newbies reading, I sometimes try to add some perspective. My port is currently ,,living" of around 1800 files, the rest are seasonal and will wake up in time. And I am already uploading at least 50% winter seasonal stuff because it is my main source of income.

So, for a let's say 2000 active file port, it is actually quite reasonable. Also more than double than last year this time.

But for me it is still frustrating, because I know the difference, how powerful a port can be and that it is indeed possible to have more than 100 sales a day and to be in the top 500 of sellers.

Adobe is a very, very good agency.

However I must upload also to other places for balance. Especially video.

Quote from: wds on June 14, 2024, 15:35

Quote from: cobalt on June 14, 2024, 10:10
Don't worry, I have the little troll on ignore, I only see the posts if someone quotes them.

I am really impressed with people images. They take quite a while to start selling, but then sell very consistently.

Really wish I had done that sooner. Only have around 700 now and trying to add at least 3-5 every day. I probably need at least 3000 to see a real impact.

Looks like most of the top producers have people ports, whether normal photo or ai.

When using Firefly, people images can be tough. The results can require a lot of post work, and even then many times get rejected (after sitting in queue for many weeks) for technical reasons which can be not at all clear.

I now do people nearly exclusively with midjourney. Still need several iterations, especially mouth and hands but much better than anything else I tried.

I really wish I had done that sooner.

But people stock needs a lot more time in prompting and processing compared to pretty easter eggs.

not related to the (shall we say spirited) discussion at hand... what portion of your portfolio has never sold?  i'm curious about some of the permanently sleeping files and if they ever wake up after years of slumber.  i notice a higher % of my photos have sold than video but video takes longer to pick up (and obviously fetches more $).

Quote from: yuriy on June 15, 2024, 16:55
not related to the (shall we say spirited) discussion at hand... what portion of your portfolio has never sold?  i'm curious about some of the permanently sleeping files and if they ever wake up after years of slumber.  i notice a higher % of my photos have sold than video but video takes longer to pick up (and obviously fetches more $).

Does Adobe give us that percentage? Adobe doesn't even give us lifetime stats on images, DLs or earnings. If there's a spot that shows, how many images have sold at least one time, I'd be interested in seeing that, but it won't change anything. And for your question: good images tend to keep selling, some drop down and sell fewer after time. Images that are duds and those that have never sold, in all my years, have never suddenly woken up and started selling.

The weekly rank (which is actually "Position", not rank) is supposedly based on DLs only and nothing else. We did some tracking and people with identical DL counts had different positions. Then the next day, one person had more DLs and their rank didn't change, BUT... the person who had no DLs had their position change.

I just want to point out that we have been told, more than once, that position, means nothing. It doesn't change reviews, the search rank or anything else. Bragging rights only. Beyond that, just sharing numbers with friends, it appears that it is either not DLs only or is an unreliable number to base any conclusions about rank. It's a position, where 1, 10, 100 or 1,000 other people, could be the same position. It's a group bracket.

Now someone who knows might tell us some day, why, if it's only DLs, would people with the same number have different positions? Or why someone who had a DL would have their position unchanged. OR why someone with no activity would have their position changed? I can give a theory/guess on the last two.

If I have ten DLs and next day, have none, but someone else had one new, their position would go up or stay the same, but mine would drop. Same for why getting  a DL doesn't change position, if everyone else also had the same, and I'm in the same bracket, people with ten DLs.

But nothing explains identical numbers of DLs and different positions. Unless it's not, only DLs?  It's a mystery.

I don't have a weekly rank, there is no such thing.

Quote from: Uncle Pete on June 15, 2024, 17:28

Quote from: yuriy on June 15, 2024, 16:55
not related to the (shall we say spirited) discussion at hand... what portion of your portfolio has never sold?  i'm curious about some of the permanently sleeping files and if they ever wake up after years of slumber.  i notice a higher % of my photos have sold than video but video takes longer to pick up (and obviously fetches more $).

Does Adobe give us that percentage? Adobe doesn't even give us lifetime stats on images, DLs or earnings. If there's a spot that shows, how many images have sold at least one time, I'd be interested in seeing that, but it won't change anything. And for your question: good images tend to keep selling, some drop down and sell fewer after time. Images that are duds and those that have never sold, in all my years, have never suddenly woken up and started selling.

Hi Pete,


You are right that there are no statistics for live time revenue for an image at Adobe.

But there are for the downloads - see screenshots.
100 files are displayed per page. So in my case there are 16 pages.

I currently have 20.7% without a single download.

For me it starts on page 13 with the pictures without downloads.

Quote from: yuriy on June 15, 2024, 16:55
not related to the (shall we say spirited) discussion at hand... what portion of your portfolio has never sold?  i'm curious about some of the permanently sleeping files and if they ever wake up after years of slumber.  i notice a higher % of my photos have sold than video but video takes longer to pick up (and obviously fetches more $).

2/3 of my port doesn't have any sales.

My newest uploads are shown right after the last image with sales.

Wow! I'm impressed. My portfolio is about 50/50 sales/no.

Quote from: Wilm on June 15, 2024, 19:37
For me it starts on page 13 with the pictures without downloads.

Quote from: PigsInSpace on June 15, 2024, 23:35
Wow! I'm impressed. My portfolio is about 50/50 sales/no.

Quote from: Wilm on June 15, 2024, 19:37
For me it starts on page 13 with the pictures without downloads.

Thank you, but there is no reason to be impressed.

- I've been with AS (former fotolia) for 15 years.  So many of my images have had a lot of time to be downloaded.
- With a small portfolio, it's easier for the proportion of images without downloads to be smaller than with very large portfolios.

We've discussed this before.

There was a large contributor with around 1.3 million images in his portfolio at that time. Of these, around 1 million images did not have a single download. However, this was also due to the fact that he always uploaded series on one topic. Out of 30 images in such a series, only 3 or maybe 5 images usually sell. The rest are commercially useless.

Turned out to be a solid week. 
Nobody really believe you till you post the screenshot of your stats.   

Wasn't so much the volume of sales but the RPD and therefore the weekly revenue that took the hit this week and the lowest in 3 months.

Keep it up!

Must be a slow week for everybody.  Average downloads, lower revenue, but higher ranking.  I'm happy about the ranking at least.

Quote from: Wilm on June 15, 2024, 19:37
For me it starts on page 13 with the pictures without downloads.

Thanks, makes sense, if I look at Dashboard, and sort by "Downloads" and see what page the -0- start, then count and subtract from the total. Find the percentage...

Quote from: yuriy on June 15, 2024, 16:55
not related to the (shall we say spirited) discussion at hand... what portion of your portfolio has never sold?  i'm curious about some of the permanently sleeping files and if they ever wake up after years of slumber.  i notice a higher % of my photos have sold than video but video takes longer to pick up (and obviously fetches more $).

No brags, I have some terrible Crapstock from years ago and some, see if it sticks, uploads, with no real potential for sales. 45% have one sale or more. 27% more than one DL.

Meanwhile, no I've never had an image, wake up from slumber. The way the search and rank work, this is even less likely as image rank is set in the first 30 days. I won't say impossible. Something topical that is suddenly in the news and short in supply on stock.

Here's one FREE image, that I waited for, for probably two years, as I drove past on Sunday mornings. The farmer doesn't always have the cattle up in that field, but the old school behind, has the flag up high, every day. Good fun, waiting, waiting, then stop and shoot. Yeah Baby, 5 DLs lifetime, and now free.



The school house over the hill? Zero downloads.



55% Unsold, to answer the question.

Waiting for fame and fortune, this one is unsold. 

Can't seem to get above $100 per week in the last several months even with more new images selling.  Starting to upload less, will focus my time somewhere else

Quote from: blvdone on June 21, 2024, 16:55
Must be a slow week for everybody.  Average downloads, lower revenue, but higher ranking.  I'm happy about the ranking at least.

Congrats on your very steady port.

In my case the current rank  is actually an improvement to last week and at least I will make 100 dollars thanks to a video sale.

I am also seeing a little uptick in the people I upload. They need time to get noticed but then they are quite consistent. Still only 700 people stock, a long way to go.

Now I have 5200 files. Mostly seasonal images for winter/spring.

At least it is better than last year June, probably will be 30% more than June 23.

Quote from: cobalt on June 21, 2024, 18:52

Quote from: blvdone on June 21, 2024, 16:55
Must be a slow week for everybody.  Average downloads, lower revenue, but higher ranking.  I'm happy about the ranking at least.

Congrats on your very steady port.

In my case the current rank  is actually an improvement to last week and at least I will make 100 dollars thanks to a video sale.

I am also seeing a little uptick in the people I upload. They need time to get noticed but then they are quite consistent. Still only 700 people stock, a long way to go.

Now I have 5200 files. Mostly seasonal images for winter/spring.

At least it is better than last year June, probably will be 30% more than June 23.

Thank you!!

Quote from: cobalt on June 21, 2024, 18:52

Quote from: blvdone on June 21, 2024, 16:55
Must be a slow week for everybody.  Average downloads, lower revenue, but higher ranking.  I'm happy about the ranking at least.

Congrats on your very steady port.

In my case the current rank  is actually an improvement to last week and at least I will make 100 dollars thanks to a video sale.

I am also seeing a little uptick in the people I upload. They need time to get noticed but then they are quite consistent. Still only 700 people stock, a long way to go.

Now I have 5200 files. Mostly seasonal images for winter/spring.

At least it is better than last year June, probably will be 30% more than June 23.

Cobalt, you are on the best sellers list again, even with your 5200 weekly ranking. Congratulations. (100,000 downloads and 100 pages?, unless it's a different Cobalt)

What's your lifetime rank? May be that's what we should look at as well?

Quote from: Mifornia on June 22, 2024, 22:19

Quote from: cobalt on June 21, 2024, 18:52

Quote from: blvdone on June 21, 2024, 16:55
Must be a slow week for everybody.  Average downloads, lower revenue, but higher ranking.  I'm happy about the ranking at least.

Congrats on your very steady port.

In my case the current rank  is actually an improvement to last week and at least I will make 100 dollars thanks to a video sale.

I am also seeing a little uptick in the people I upload. They need time to get noticed but then they are quite consistent. Still only 700 people stock, a long way to go.

Now I have 5200 files. Mostly seasonal images for winter/spring.

At least it is better than last year June, probably will be 30% more than June 23.

Cobalt, you are on the best sellers list again, even with your 5200 weekly ranking. Congratulations. (100,000 downloads and 100 pages?, unless it's a different Cobalt)

What's your lifetime rank? May be that's what we should look at as well?

I stand to be corrected, but I would argue that this is a different cobalt!

Quote from: Wilm on June 22, 2024, 23:02

Quote from: Mifornia on June 22, 2024, 22:19

Quote from: cobalt on June 21, 2024, 18:52

Quote from: blvdone on June 21, 2024, 16:55
Must be a slow week for everybody.  Average downloads, lower revenue, but higher ranking.  I'm happy about the ranking at least.

Congrats on your very steady port.

In my case the current rank  is actually an improvement to last week and at least I will make 100 dollars thanks to a video sale.

I am also seeing a little uptick in the people I upload. They need time to get noticed but then they are quite consistent. Still only 700 people stock, a long way to go.

Now I have 5200 files. Mostly seasonal images for winter/spring.

At least it is better than last year June, probably will be 30% more than June 23.

Cobalt, you are on the best sellers list again, even with your 5200 weekly ranking. Congratulations. (100,000 downloads and 100 pages?, unless it's a different Cobalt)

What's your lifetime rank? May be that's what we should look at as well?

I stand to be corrected, but I would argue that this is a different cobalt!

It looks like a Cobalt, walks like a Cobalt, quacks like a Cobalt but..... probably not this Cobalt.