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Started by yuriy, July 24, 2024, 03:48

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Injustice for all

but yes,why not,it seems like a good idea!  :)

the important thing is that something is done to slow down this senseless mad rush,now the quantity you upload is becoming more important rather than what you upload.

kids making videos of how to upload 100 AI content in an hour to Adobe Stock.

I believe it's time to end it,and create the conditions for controlled,balanced and fair growth for everyone,so that contributors try to create something of quality,or at least try,instead of turning into mindless automatons!

In any case,it may be that Adobe is already doing something about it,I hope so,if so please let us know!  :)


zeljkok

#51
Lots of good discussion and ideas, but we are still in dark what's really going on.

Last night I submitted 1 Illustrative Editorial and it got accepted within 12 hrs.  In the meantime that RF image is in its 5th day.  They must realize people will start uploading perfect RF as Editorial and create even bigger mess.

One more issue that potentially hurts agency:  RF image that is waiting is about these horrible Canadian Wildfires, Jasper World Heritage site burning etc.  No AI, in-person realtime shot.  I had 1 more that was poor technically because of noise.  I uploaded it to IS only;  got accepted and downloaded couple of times already. 

cascoly

Quote from: Injustice for all on July 29, 2024, 14:02
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the important thing is that something is done to slow down this senseless mad rush,now the quantity you upload is becoming more important rather than what you upload.

kids making videos of how to upload 100 AI content in an hour to Adobe Stock.

I believe it's time to end it,and create the conditions for controlled,balanced and fair growth for everyone,so that contributors try to create something of quality,or at least try,instead of turning into mindless automatons!...

it's always been a choice of quantity vs quality. 

all the calls for 'fair' & 'balanced' are really just attempts to preserve that last generation - and what they miss is there's no reason for the agencies to change anything

and calling other artists 'mindless automatons' is just repeating the same failing arguments where automation has replaced craft jobs in both quantity AND quality
Steve Estvanik 
travel & photo blog https://cascoly-images.com

Madede

Since noon today I can't see all my files in "In review" page ? :o
Jus a few rows of files are visible.
I also tried other browsers and the result was the same.

Anyone else have this bug ?

MatHayward

While review times for some have definitely been longer than they were in years past, I'm not aware of any review times at 5 months. 8 weeks is more realistic. The screen shot shared by the OP shows the date from the time the file was uploaded, not the time submitted. Most comments/questions I have fielded on this, it turns out the file was uploaded to the portal, then sat there for months without being keyworded and submitted. The actual review time is based on the day/time you submit the content, not upload it. I know that can be confusing since the wait time shown is based on the upload date.

Please share with me the file number you are referencing so I can see if that is the case here or not. If it has truly been sitting in the moderation queue for 5 months, there may be an issue I need to investigate.

thanks,

Mat Haywawrd

yuriy

#55
hey Mat, thanks for responding.  i keyworded and submitted these files 4.5 months ago.  i will get you some file new numbers when the pagination glitch is fixed since I'm unable to navigate to the end of my lengthy review queue.  i did send an email back in march regarding a few of these though and this is one that is still waiting:  File ID: 743968048

MatHayward

Quote from: yuriy on July 29, 2024, 22:41
hey Mat, thanks for responding.  i keyworded and submitted these files 4.5 months ago.  i will get you some file new numbers when the pagination glitch is fixed since I'm unable to navigate to the end of my lengthy review queue.  i did send an email back in march regarding a few of these though and this is one that is still waiting:  File ID: 743968048

Thanks for the file number. You are right, that is an image that appears to be stuck in the queue. You hold the record for the longest wait that I've seen. I'm sorry about that. I've forwarded it to our moderation team and asked them to take a look.

-Mat Hayward

zeljkok

If anything, this is clear indication that Age is not only Factor that determines Review order.

yuriy

Quote from: MatHayward on July 29, 2024, 23:04
Quote from: yuriy on July 29, 2024, 22:41
hey Mat, thanks for responding.  i keyworded and submitted these files 4.5 months ago.  i will get you some file new numbers when the pagination glitch is fixed since I'm unable to navigate to the end of my lengthy review queue.  i did send an email back in march regarding a few of these though and this is one that is still waiting:  File ID: 743968048

Thanks for the file number. You are right, that is an image that appears to be stuck in the queue. You hold the record for the longest wait that I've seen. I'm sorry about that. I've forwarded it to our moderation team and asked them to take a look.

-Mat Hayward

appreciate it.  i figured it was some sort of anomaly.  i have exactly 12 images stuck like this (and they are actually 6 versions each from 2 different shoots).  i hope there's some work behind the scenes to speed up the rest of the images that are 2 months in queue as things stand.

Injustice for all

#59
Quote from: cascoly on July 29, 2024, 20:49
Quote from: Injustice for all on July 29, 2024, 14:02
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the important thing is that something is done to slow down this senseless mad rush,now the quantity you upload is becoming more important rather than what you upload.

kids making videos of how to upload 100 AI content in an hour to Adobe Stock.

I believe it's time to end it,and create the conditions for controlled,balanced and fair growth for everyone,so that contributors try to create something of quality,or at least try,instead of turning into mindless automatons!...

it's always been a choice of quantity vs quality. 

all the calls for 'fair' & 'balanced' are really just attempts to preserve that last generation - and what they miss is there's no reason for the agencies to change anything

and calling other artists 'mindless automatons' is just repeating the same failing arguments where automation has replaced craft jobs in both quantity AND quality

with all due respect,but anyone who produce and uploads 100 AI contents in a single hour cannot be defined as an "artist" in my opinion.

I didn't say that they are mindless automatons,but that they transform into this with this behavior.

in any case I would define them as more producers than artists.

however,these personal opinions aside,I hope that Adobe does something to avoid this,because from my point of view it seems a bit excessive,too much is enough,you can't allow a single contributor to upload 100,000 content in a year,it's simply senseless madness.

HalfFull

#60
Quote from: MatHayward on July 29, 2024, 23:04
Quote from: yuriy on July 29, 2024, 22:41
hey Mat, thanks for responding.  i keyworded and submitted these files 4.5 months ago.  i will get you some file new numbers when the pagination glitch is fixed since I'm unable to navigate to the end of my lengthy review queue.  i did send an email back in march regarding a few of these though and this is one that is still waiting:  File ID: 743968048

Thanks for the file number. You are right, that is an image that appears to be stuck in the queue. You hold the record for the longest wait that I've seen. I'm sorry about that. I've forwarded it to our moderation team and asked them to take a look.

-Mat Hayward

I submitted a batch of images back in April/May and twenty were approved within 6 days and the other 20 (approx) sat there for 3 months without being approved. I deleted them just the other day after recording which ones didn't go through. I might try again at some point. They're up for sale on SS so at least they're earning something.

I submitted a batch (24 images) the other day... about 2-3 days ago. Someone quickly went in after 1 day and declined one and the rest are once again sat waiting. The fact that I'm straightaway thinking that these may well be on their way to another 3 month wait sort of sums up my confidence in the Adobe review process at this point. Very different from the process pre AI images. Some images just seem to end up being ignored or get stuck.

It makes it hard to plan work around specific events knowing when to start work on a project, complete and submit it in order for it to appear as a new image just when people will start looking for them.

cascoly

Quote from: Injustice for all on July 30, 2024, 11:00


with all due respect,but anyone who produce and uploads 100 AI contents in a single hour cannot be defined as an "artist" in my opinion.
....

i commonly upload 100+ in an hour - but that reflects a week or more of intermittent work - post, captioning, etc.  (i've been spending less time on ms in the last 5+ years and now have a backlog of over 50K images - mostly dupes or similars which will eventually be weeded out)

now 100 in the same series is a different bird
Steve Estvanik 
travel & photo blog https://cascoly-images.com

Jim Cumming

Hello Mat
I have about a dozen or so still sitting in the review queue with one waiting 5 months File ID: 743934467
The others say 2 months but that was 2 months ago..
Could you please look into this

Thanks
Jim

zeljkok

Love the second duck - must be fast lens to freeze it like that

For me another editorial overnight;   submitted 29th,  approved 30th.   RF now almost a week in wait ...

Faustvasea

Quote from: MatHayward on July 29, 2024, 22:17
While review times for some have definitely been longer than they were in years past, I'm not aware of any review times at 5 months. 8 weeks is more realistic. The screen shot shared by the OP shows the date from the time the file was uploaded, not the time submitted. Most comments/questions I have fielded on this, it turns out the file was uploaded to the portal, then sat there for months without being keyworded and submitted. The actual review time is based on the day/time you submit the content, not upload it. I know that can be confusing since the wait time shown is based on the upload date.

Please share with me the file number you are referencing so I can see if that is the case here or not. If it has truly been sitting in the moderation queue for 5 months, there may be an issue I need to investigate.

thanks,

Mat Haywawrd

I have a file in the queue 4 months now,  , does have keywords and description too. File ID: 755936414

Can you please check it as well. My photos have been reviewed very late for some reason.
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yuriy

Quote from: Jim Cumming on July 30, 2024, 23:10
Hello Mat
I have about a dozen or so still sitting in the review queue with one waiting 5 months File ID: 743934467
The others say 2 months but that was 2 months ago..
Could you please look into this

Thanks
Jim

this is hilarious.  the image id i shared was a photo of a wood duck.  the same one as your upper image.  i think adobe's reviewers have some kind of avian phobia.

zeljkok

Quote from: yuriy on July 31, 2024, 20:35
i think adobe's reviewers have some kind of avian phobia.

Or maybe AI pre-processing pushes what is perceived as low demand content (flowers, common animals, food etc) at bottom of the queue

danielstassen

Quote from: zeljkok on July 31, 2024, 20:39
Or maybe AI pre-processing pushes what is perceived as low demand content (flowers, common animals, food etc) at bottom of the queue

I think this is highly likely to be the case.

On Artlist, content in higher demand is giving priority in the queue.

stocky

I had ONE accepted!  :D
Shutterstock is accepting everything very quickly (within 24hrs).


zeljkok

SS, IS and Alamy are reviewing very fast.  This makes whole Adobe RF situation very strange.  If they don't want common RF content, wouldn't it be easier to simply shut the pipe.   

Just make public announcement "Please do not submit photos of food, flowers, common animals etc - we are already swamped with these.   Our AI will detect such content and automatically reject it".