I see a lot of images of objects, food, etc... with "nobody" keyword. I mean, what the...? Why? Do you really think that buyers type "nobody" in search?

Quote from: Peter on May 16, 2009, 17:03
I see a lot of images of objects, food, etc... with "nobody" keyword. I mean, what the...? Why? Do you really think that buyers type "nobody" in search?

Yes, it they want a photo of a burger or an object without people, why wouldn't they type nobody? Saves them having to wade through a batch of images with people in them.

Quote from: Peter on May 16, 2009, 17:03
Do you really think that buyers type "nobody" in search?

Yes.

Although, if it offends you that much, I suggest not using it.

I never use "nobody" keyword in my images.

I dont know, it is ridiculous to me. I think buyers never use it. If they do, they will miss a lot of good hamburgers without "nobody" keyword :p

I think some buyers use this keyword, but I don't use it because I had few rejections because of using it. I don't want my approval ratio to be ruined because of keywords.

Quote from: Peter on May 17, 2009, 09:17
I never use "nobody" keyword in my images.

I dont know, it is ridiculous to me. I think buyers never use it. If they do, they will miss a lot of good hamburgers without "nobody" keyword :p

And your hamburgers will miss a lot of good sales from buyers looking for images without people.

Quote from: sjlocke on May 17, 2009, 13:21

Quote from: Peter on May 17, 2009, 09:17
I never use "nobody" keyword in my images.

I dont know, it is ridiculous to me. I think buyers never use it. If they do, they will miss a lot of good hamburgers without "nobody" keyword :p

And your hamburgers will miss a lot of good sales from buyers looking for images without people.

Lol.

I have been following the suggestions of using "nobody", but I can't tell about the effect in sales.

But it does make sense when you think sometimes it is difficult to find an image without people.  Try searching "stethoscope white background" in several sites and you will see.  Sometimes I wonder how people find my stethoscope photos (among my best sellers in IS even before I added "nobody" as a kw).

Quote from: Whitechild on May 17, 2009, 11:24
I think some buyers use this keyword, but I don't use it because I had few rejections because of using it. I don't want my approval ratio to be ruined because of keywords.

If you were rejected on iStock purely for having 'nobody' as a keyword, sitemail Ethan (emyerson).
I can't speak about other agencies.

I use nobody all the time. When Arcurs and other keywording sites were nor around I visited Agefoto stock and Getty for keywording help(they have employees for this job) and both of them use nobody word. Just do not ask why, these guys know what they are doing.

Quote from: sjlocke on May 17, 2009, 13:21
And your hamburgers will miss a lot of good sales from buyers looking for images without people.

I don't really think that's true. You might miss a few sales by not using 'nobody', but nothing significant.
A quick look at things on iStock clearly shows that not many buyers use 'Nobody' in their searches - probably because not many contributors use it as a keyword.
To wit: searching for 'hamburger' gives 3014 images; 'hamburger nobody' gives 483.

Cevapcici + nobody gives 0 results.  It´s definitly not working

Yes, you are right. Come here to Bosnia and you will see there is always somebody around cevapcici .

I've had a fairly productive day, thanks to not getting involved in this silly "nobody" keyword debate.   

Quote from: sharply_done on May 17, 2009, 21:42
To wit: searching for 'hamburger' gives 3014 images; 'hamburger nobody' gives 483.

When people have posted in the request forum for images with no people, I use the "nobody" keyword and pick content from that return.  So, my picks (and the savvy buyer's) would be from 483.

Quote from: Dook on May 17, 2009, 23:32
Yes, you are right. Come here to Bosnia and you will see there is always somebody around cevapcici .

I am from Bosnia, and I love "cevapi" LOL

I am still not sure why people use Nobody in their keywords. The keyword has nothing to do with the image. The keywords are suppose to describe the image.

They should put face detection technology on their website so search can easily find pictures with nobody :-)

Quote from: lephotography on May 18, 2009, 18:45
I am still not sure why people use Nobody in their keywords. The keyword has nothing to do with the image. The keywords are suppose to describe the image.

Indeed. All websites have the option to eliminate keywords from search. So you just have to search for "hamburger" not including "people", "person", etc.

Quote from: Xalanx on May 18, 2009, 21:55
Indeed. All websites have the option to eliminate keywords from search. So you just have to search for "hamburger" not including "people", "person", etc.

So, which makes more sense?

Hamburger -people -person -woman -women -man -men -boy -girl -group -hand -policeman -worker -chef etc, etc

or

Hamburger AND nobody

Quote from: lephotography on May 18, 2009, 18:45
The keywords are suppose to describe the image.

So "empty" would not be a valid keyword either?

If the big companies tell us to use such words - and they have more time in this business than perhaps any of us - maybe they are right?

that makes sense. Thank you for telling me. That is quite useful to me.

Quote from: Peter on May 18, 2009, 08:18

Quote from: Dook on May 17, 2009, 23:32
Yes, you are right. Come here to Bosnia and you will see there is always somebody around cevapcici .

I am from Bosnia, and I love "cevapi" LOL

Get it straight. It's cevapcici AND nobody. 

Quote from: KB on May 18, 2009, 22:04

Quote from: Xalanx on May 18, 2009, 21:55
Indeed. All websites have the option to eliminate keywords from search. So you just have to search for "hamburger" not including "people", "person", etc.

So, which makes more sense?

Hamburger -people -person -woman -women -man -men -boy -girl -group -hand -policeman -worker -chef etc, etc

or

Hamburger AND nobody

that's ridiculous. I think it'll be simple enough to have -person and -people for 99.99999% of the cases. As it is for most of the searches. Look for yourself and you'll find out that "nobody" is not that popular in fact.

Since iStock introduced it, I mostly include nobody in shots without people visible.
I use people only for groups of 3 or more, or when the people don't have the main focus.
When it's a model(s) that has/ve the focus, I don't use people but person (one, two).
Finally, i use isolated (cut out) only for images that have a uniform #FFF or #000 background.

Dreamstime used a clever search option as a replacement for "nobody" : they just check the presence and number of model releases attached. That won't work for editorial and blurred people in the background of course.

Funny search results:

nobody AND woman
nobody AND girls

Angels have no bodies, and that's confirmed by this shot (search nobody AND angel) :

Keywords : angel chrïst color fashion full girl god hand horizontal human image jezus light motor nobody wing