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« Reply #75 on: August 05, 2009, 23:19 »
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so , what if, CC wants to give Getty a heave-ho, and do what they did.
what are you IS people so afraid of?
are you really afraid CC will cut into your breadline?  if so, why the fuss?


I dont think anyone is afraid of cutcaster. The reason people are posting is because its such a hilariously bad name! I think most people cant believe anyone could come up with something so ridiculous and actually put it into practice without realising.


« Reply #76 on: August 05, 2009, 23:59 »
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There could be a claim that the reference to Vetta is damaging the 'brand' of 'Vetta' but as both are new collections then it would be hard to prove, and any action may never get off the ground and just end in a cease and desist.
With any claim for defamation, slander or libel the onus will be on john to prove that Betta is better than Vetta, but as it is a subjective media it would be hard to prove the claim either way.

Actually David, I think you got it the other way around.
In  litigation, the burden of proof is placed on Vetta  "to proof the claim Betta than Vetta is false beyond any reasonable doubt"...
not the other way around.
Hi Perseus,
As I understand it libel is the written word, slander is the spoken word, libel would be a civil case where the burden of proof is the reverse of a criminal case, so by publising the text including any falsehood could be seen as libel.

All Istock would have to prove is that the words 'Betta than Vetta' are defamatory and set out to lower the reputation or harm their business in the eyes of right thinking members of society, the onus is on CutCaster the defence to prove that the defamatory words are in fact true as they would need to raise justification as a defence, the fact that they believe them to be true at the time of writing is not a defence.

Since the words were published by CutCaster, Istock could claimed they were libelled and claim damages regardless of whether they suffered any particular loss or not.
 
So in a case where justification is used by the defence it is up to them, the defence, to prove that what they said is correct, and not the plaintiff.

Is it libel is one question another is 'IP', by using the word Vetta within the new CC collection name, as Vetta is a brand name already trading by Istock, if it is registered by Getty or Istock trademark does not matter, it is clear by reference that it relates to the Istock Vetta collection's 'branding', so that could be an IP infringment, and as to legal advice and teams, not many small businesses have teams of lawyers to advise them and only refer to legal advise when there is a problem.

David  :D

« Reply #77 on: August 06, 2009, 01:17 »
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Point is in web search engines, I think... :P

« Reply #78 on: August 06, 2009, 02:09 »
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I have not laughed so much for ages! You all sound like children arguing in a playground. Anyway, it cheered my up an a really bad day. Thanks ;D

Xalanx

« Reply #79 on: August 06, 2009, 02:34 »
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I have one photo in this collection so I can't complain.  :D  The fight about the name is no more than entertaining :P .

« Reply #80 on: August 06, 2009, 02:55 »
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I have not laughed so much for ages! You all sound like children arguing in a playground. Anyway, it cheered my up an a really bad day. Thanks ;D
Different perspectives, you see it as 'children arguing in a playground', I see it as 'adults having a healthy debate'.

From  a personal experience, when I posted a comment in another open forum I was not imune from claims of libel and threats of action unless I retracted my statement, which I quickly did, so the question is simple is there any proof that Betta is better than Vetta in the eyes of right thinking members of society not people with a vested intrest, if not then it is an untrue statement.

David  :P
« Last Edit: August 06, 2009, 02:59 by Adeptris »

RT


« Reply #81 on: August 06, 2009, 04:36 »
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@whatalife, just for the record, I don't assume to know anything about you, because is plain and simple "I could care less who you are" or wether you're able or willing to upload to Vetta, or you opinion of the name of CC's new project, lets get that clear!
Bottom line is that if I spend my money, time and effort lets just say, to open my own photo stock site and decided to call it imStock, it is no one else's business what my choice of name is, and I would not loose one minute of sleep over what other people think of it, (including all of you guys that have a problem with John's choice of names) I would call my investment whatever . I want, and if anyone has a problem with it, they can always put their money where their mouth is and help me pay for the site (I'm using a site as an example whatalife, in case you get confused)...so as far as I'm concern, JOHN IS A GREAT NAME! use it with pride.  ;)  

This highlights why no doubt you're not a very successful businessman.

This forum is here to enable people to express their opinions, it is not here to let people say things that please you and if you read things you don't like then don't come here.

If you run a business you have to appeal to the people you're trying to do business with, your attitude of "I would not loose one minute of sleep over what other people think of it" is a road to disaster.

What has been highlighted by many is that the name 'Betta than Vetta' not only has legal implications but is also seen by many as a very cheap and tacky approach not one that would be taken by a professional site, to state that a collection is better than another is subjective and we can all form our own opinion of that, however another thing that has been highlighted is the fact that unlike the Vetta collection on iStock which contains exclusive images the images in Cutcasters collection are not unique and are available elsewhere for a lower price, so therefore what does this collection offer to anyone - the answer is: nothing.

For a new site struggling to attract buyers and with low reported sales figures I'd have thought they would value any feedback, however as the guy in charge decided to ignore any comments on another thread about the lack of sales I wouldn't be surprised if he ignores the advice given here.






« Reply #82 on: August 06, 2009, 07:12 »
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I have one photo in this collection so I can't complain.  :D  The fight about the name is no more than entertaining :P .
Me too! I found my on first day of Betta...

I know that Mr. John will calm spirits...

« Reply #83 on: August 06, 2009, 09:13 »
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Quote from RT: This forum is here to enable people to express their opinions, it is not here to let people say things that please you and if you read things you don't like then don't come here.



Exactly!  ;)

« Reply #84 on: August 06, 2009, 09:33 »
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Adeptris,
If ... and that's a big IF, if ever IS or Getty takes the initiative to take Cutcaster to court , perharps that would be an action that would be the same initiative to get contributors of all the Big 6 who had their commissions changed and changed,
and changed,etc... without their permission.
If one 's action is so justified to get Getty to sue Cutcaster, then we, the contributors should also be motivated from consistently state of inaction to do the same thing as a whole unit to stop the abuse of those micro stock agencies who change their rules to suit their own agenda without consulting the contributors.
After all, the agreement also states that the images belong to the contributors
and the ownership does not transfer to the agencies.

A bit off topic , perharps, but the prime motive of this thread, and the people supporting John and Cutcaster , is that this is a site that is thinking about the contributors and is willing to open up doors for contributors to be treated fairly and squarely.

I highly doubtly Getty will take Cutcaster to court, anymore than the contributors will take the agencies to court.
But if the former does makes that strategic move, it would be wonderful to see it as instrumental for the latter to do the same.

« Reply #85 on: August 06, 2009, 10:16 »
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so , what if, CC wants to give Getty a heave-ho, and do what they did.
what are you IS people so afraid of?
are you really afraid CC will cut into your breadline?  if so, why the fuss?


I dont think anyone is afraid of cutcaster. The reason people are posting is because its such a hilariously bad name! I think most people cant believe anyone could come up with something so ridiculous and actually put it into practice without realising.

Leontura, I so agree with you. Betta than Vetta is such a hilariously bad name.
It sounds just as hilariously bad as Yahoo - Twitter - Google - Flickr -
you are so right.



« Reply #86 on: August 06, 2009, 10:17 »
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It is irrelevant whether Getty feels 'threatened' by CC.  What matters is keeping an active effort to protect use of your trademark.  If you don't, you lose power to protect it in the future.

abimages

« Reply #87 on: August 06, 2009, 11:16 »
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Cheap, unprofessional and not at all creative :D

« Reply #88 on: August 06, 2009, 11:35 »
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Welcome to the MSG forum abimages  ;)

« Reply #89 on: August 06, 2009, 12:31 »
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I don't know about anyone else but despite being logged in I'm seeing Cutcaster ads in this thread with 'log in to remove ads' under them.

puravida

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« Reply #90 on: August 06, 2009, 13:54 »
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Cheap, unprofessional and not at all creative :D

unprofessional ?
no more unprofessional than the Big 6 moving subscription prices lower until there is no ground rules left.

cheap?
 not as cheap as the prices the competitors have our images selling at

not at all creative ?

that's totally up to the buyers to decide.

 8)

« Reply #91 on: August 06, 2009, 14:32 »
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Why not really go for it, they are all still available at www.whois.com.

www.BettaThanVetta.com
www.BettaThanVetta.net
www.BettaThanVetta.co.uk


David  ;D

« Reply #92 on: August 06, 2009, 14:38 »
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Why not really go for it, they are all still available at www.whois.com [nofollow].

www.BettaThanVetta.com [nofollow]
www.BettaThanVetta.net [nofollow]
www.BettaThanVetta.co.uk [nofollow]


David  ;D


Are these all from Cutcaster?

« Reply #93 on: August 06, 2009, 14:39 »
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Why not really go for it, they are all still available at www.whois.com.

www.BettaThanVetta.com
www.BettaThanVetta.net
www.BettaThanVetta.co.uk


David  ;D


Are these all from Cutcaster?


No they are unregistered website domains.

David ;D

« Reply #94 on: August 06, 2009, 14:47 »
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Mm, good idea. You get one to start your own site to sell direct.

« Reply #95 on: August 06, 2009, 14:49 »
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And if 2 other stock photgraphers get the other two to do same.
Vetta's headache with BTV cutcaster will grow in a large migraine  :D

« Reply #96 on: August 06, 2009, 14:59 »
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And if 2 other stock photgraphers get the other two to do same.
Vetta's headache with BTV cutcaster will grow in a large migraine  :D

Hahaha. Then they can all fight for the 'Vetta' Registered trademark since it doesnt show up as a US registered trademark for either Getty or IStock (although, they could still be in the application process???)

« Reply #97 on: August 06, 2009, 16:05 »
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Cheap, unprofessional and not at all creative :D

and tacky and playing with fire.

(but Getty would know that coming down hard has a good chance of blowing up in their face and making it worse, my guess would be a nice quiet please cease and desist is in the mail :)

but would you have guessed last week that cutcaster would do somethign that would get so many people talking, I'd assume that the press release was announced many places, how many people have gone and looked. Something like this has the possibility to make (or break :)) the site, even if in a weeks time it has to be renamed to cutcaster premium etc.

there is old saying all publicity is good publicity :)
« Last Edit: August 06, 2009, 16:20 by Phil »

« Reply #98 on: August 06, 2009, 16:14 »
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but would you have guessed last week that cutcaster would do somethign that would get so many people talking, I'd assume that the press release was announced many places, how many people have gone and looked. Something like this has the possibility to make (or break :)) the site, even if it a weeks time it has to renamed to cutcaster premium etc.

there is old saying all publicity is good publicity :)

My sentiments exactly Phil!  ;)

« Reply #99 on: August 06, 2009, 18:08 »
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August 4, 2009 - San Francisco, California

From their new headquarters in foggy San Francisco, Cutcaster is proud to introduce its much-ballyhooed Betta than Vetta (BTV) photo and vector collection to creative professionals today.  Take a sneak peak at Betta than Vetta by going to www.cutcaster.com/Betta-Than-Vetta.

Creative professionals deserve a better experience when searching for and purchasing content. What Cutcaster provides is better search, better results, better rights offering and all at better market prices, Cutcaster founder John Griffin explained.  We introduced Betta than Vetta, our first premium collection, to highlight the amazing quality of work in our marketplace and show buyers how easy the website is to use.

The best of the best included in the BTV photo and vector collection were hand-picked by our highly-caffeinated reviewers and industry professionals for their uniqueness, execution and overall quality. The diverse collection will have graphic designers, creative professionals and photo buyers singing from the top of the closest mountain peaks.

Betta than Vetta, Irish for mountaintop, gives creative professionals looking for exceptional imagery a new and untapped source of photos and illustrations priced by the free market.  Inclusive of both exclusive and non-exclusive contributors, the BTV collection will expand over time. Contributors may also request a file be added to the collection but every file included must pass an intense inspection process and meet the collections strict acceptance criteria. "The Cutcaster flexible pricing model provides a unique and hard-data insight into the market value of stock photos, Lee Torrens, a stock photography insider observed.  Betta than Vetta is a welcome opportunity for all stock photography and illustrators to see our higher value images lifted to another level."

Prices range from $1 for small sizes up to $35 USD for XXL. Sellers set the price for the BTV files. If a buyer wanted to name their price, they are always free to bid on any of the images if they have more time or are working with a smaller budget.

We havent even come close to hitting our peak yet but Im excited by the growth of sales, which have been doubling every month and also by the number of great photographers we are fortunate enough to be working with and trust us to represent their work.  Our diverse collection is on the verge of breaking 400,000 royalty free images and illustrations and the Betta than Vetta collection will be one more way we can promote our great library to buyers, Griffin added.

In other news, Cutcaster announced that the increase in revenues has been re-invested into advertising and marketing and more customer service help, which continues to be an industry leader.  The number of Corporate Accounts and buyer sign-ups has been growing faster over the last 6 months because buyers like the flexible payment options, easy to use search and invoicing capabilities. Cutcaster released figures that buyers bid on content around 6% of the time and on average bid 40% less than the listed price for the largest file size.  The time it takes for a typical sellers response to a proposed bid has averaged 81 minutes and buyers have accepted the final price 43% of the time.

In addition, Cutcaster released new features that include scaled pricing for different file sizes so buyers now have a choice over what image size they want.  Also Cutcaster improved its search functionality and introduced a new suggestive search tool that shows buyers as they type in a keyword what other keyword options are available.

For more information on the Betta than Vetta collection see www.cutcaster.com/Betta-Than-Vetta or email [email protected].

About Cutcaster
Cutcaster has tapped into a new and unique source of photo and vector illustrations that can be purchased for any kind of publishing, web design project, printing brochures, advertising, annual reports or electronic usage on websites and presentations. Cutcaster created the first model that adds structure to support licensing user-generated photography and vectors when you don't have the budget to create it yourself.  Sellers can set their prices or those new to the world of licensing can use the Cutcaster Algorithm to find the fair market price.

Visit www.cutcaster.com for more information.


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