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lisafx

« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2010, 14:07 »
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Photography is a "hobby" for me and my tiny little port of 250 images at IS will not sway their decision, my REAL job is creative director for fortune 1000 co.
Not only do you have my support in no longer purchasing from IS (have about 50 credits that I'll spend this weekend so that some of you can get your 20% - and I'll buy nothing with a crown : P   ), but I'm pulling my port as well. It's only worth about $500 per year, but I'll feel better about myself. We also have monthly "designer meetings" (people from area design companies get together to suck down scotch and crab cakes) and I will take my 10 minutes of speech time to make sure that they're at least aware of this.

It's unfortunate that Wall-St found its way into MS

added: and even if all of this gets IS to modify or completely drop this plan, I'm done with them.

As far as I am concerned you and the other buyers who are leaving on principle are heroes.  It's one thing to talk about how things should be.  It's another to support the artists and vote with your feet.  Thank you!

And thanks also for spreading the word to your fellow designers!


« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2010, 14:10 »
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All these IS buyers bailing... it's like music to my ears! :)

macrosaur

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« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2010, 14:20 »
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Since most of us appear to agree that changing buyer's behavior is the best response to Istock's unethical money grab, it would be great to read what buyers have to say. 

I know that some buyers have voiced plans to leave, but it's really hard to find their posts, buried as they are in all the justifiable contributor outrage. 

It would be nice to be able to read what buyers have to say here on MSG.  If you are a buyer who is going to leave Istock, or if you have found a post somewhere by a buyer who is leaving, or if any of the buyers you have contacted have responded, could you post it here?  It might have a stronger impact if we can see the buyer comments in one place.

FUCK !

how dumb you guys are ?

1 - newspapers
2 - all photo news sites (PDN, etc)
3 - photo blogs
4 - IT blogs (techcrunch, slashdot, etc)
5 - news aggregators
6 - TV (who knows)
7 - photo forums
8 - photo newslettes
9 - photo newsgroups on Usenet
10 - and the list goes ooooonnn......


now, you spend hours talkinh crap.
follow this focking 10 steps for once and you WILL see some results.

trolls knows it better.

lisafx

« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2010, 14:28 »
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Just finished reading Thomas' excellent post compiling the buyers' comments.  Well done!  And thanks so much to the folks who have been able to unearth them in that monster thread!

Most of all, three cheers for the buyers who have supported all of us these past several years, and who are continuing to support the contributors by taking their business to more ethical agencies:  Morton, Lizzielou, Polekspress, ABDesign, SDbT, Mortmatch, anonymous, and Gbalex.

Hopefully the list will continue to grow as more designers get word of what's happening.

And Cathy, I totally agree that this shouldn't be about exclusive vs. independent.  We are all getting hosed here to one degree or another and this rampant greed threatens everybody.

« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2010, 14:31 »
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Just finished reading Thomas' excellent post compiling the buyers' comments.  Well done!  And thanks so much to the folks who have been able to unearth them in that monster thread!

Most of all, three cheers for the buyers who have supported all of us these past several years, and who are continuing to support the contributors by taking their business to more ethical agencies:  Morton, Lizzielou, Polekspress, ABDesign, SDbT, Mortmatch, anonymous, and Gbalex.

Hopefully the list will continue to grow as more designers get word of what's happening.

And Cathy, I totally agree that this shouldn't be about exclusive vs. independent.  We are all getting hosed here to one degree or another and this rampant greed threatens everybody.

Hear, hear.

rubyroo

« Reply #30 on: September 09, 2010, 14:43 »
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Hear Hear (also)

« Reply #31 on: September 09, 2010, 14:44 »
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^^^ +3

« Reply #32 on: September 09, 2010, 15:05 »
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Hi, I just joined this group.  So glad I found it.  I just spent the past five years gradually building to get to be exclusive at iStock.  I am now knocked down to 15% with no hope of ever crawling out of that hole.  I didn't go exclusive, yet, thank goodness.  Now I will try starting over at other agencies.  A designer friend posted this on my FB page:

Getty owns the whole image world. That is silly that iStock is paying the photographer's less. I am getting tired [of] the costs that keep going up on purchasing images.

lisafx

« Reply #33 on: September 09, 2010, 15:37 »
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Hi, I just joined this group.  So glad I found it.  I just spent the past five years gradually building to get to be exclusive at iStock.  I am now knocked down to 15% with no hope of ever crawling out of that hole.  I didn't go exclusive, yet, thank goodness.  Now I will try starting over at other agencies.  A designer friend posted this on my FB page:

Getty owns the whole image world. That is silly that iStock is paying the photographer's less. I am getting tired [of] the costs that keep going up on purchasing images.

Welcome aboard Katzeye!  Thanks for posting your designer friend's comment here.

Hope you took the opportunity to tell her about the better paying sites.   :)

traveler1116

« Reply #34 on: September 09, 2010, 15:44 »
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Photography is a "hobby" for me and my tiny little port of 250 images at IS will not sway their decision, my REAL job is creative director for fortune 1000 co.
Not only do you have my support in no longer purchasing from IS (have about 50 credits that I'll spend this weekend so that some of you can get your 20% - and I'll buy nothing with a crown : P   ), but I'm pulling my port as well. It's only worth about $500 per year, but I'll feel better about myself. We also have monthly "designer meetings" (people from area design companies get together to suck down scotch and crab cakes) and I will take my 10 minutes of speech time to make sure that they're at least aware of this.

It's unfortunate that Wall-St found its way into MS

added: and even if all of this gets IS to modify or completely drop this plan, I'm done with them.
You can buy from the crown too, we're all getting screwed here.

KB

« Reply #35 on: September 09, 2010, 15:45 »
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and I'll buy nothing with a crown : P
Why is that? What have exclusive contributors done to earn your wrath? In some ways, we are hurt more by this move than independents. Of course, it's your decision, and your money. I'm just curious why you feel that way.

Well - when some one pissis on me I for one Piss back.

Beisides - you should thank us, while on your knees whining. Hurting IS on the wallet, is the only thing that can bring the silly management at IS to the negosiationg table. The independents leaving, and taking their businnes and clients with them, is "money talks".

Remeber - there are 80%+ non ex. on IS.
Perhaps you should make sure you know who pissed on you before you piss back?

But I'm not going to contribute to this stupid argument any longer; I agree with those that say it's counterproductive. We are all getting screwed by Getty -- that's the part to focus on.

« Reply #36 on: September 09, 2010, 15:57 »
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and I'll buy nothing with a crown : P
Why is that? What have exclusive contributors done to earn your wrath? In some ways, we are hurt more by this move than independents. Of course, it's your decision, and your money. I'm just curious why you feel that way.

Well - when some one pissis on me I for one Piss back.

Beisides - you should thank us, while on your knees whining. Hurting IS on the wallet, is the only thing that can bring the silly management at IS to the negosiationg table. The independents leaving, and taking their businnes and clients with them, is "money talks".

Remeber - there are 80%+ non ex. on IS.
Perhaps you should make sure you know who pissed on you before you piss back?

But I'm not going to contribute to this stupid argument any longer; I agree with those that say it's counterproductive. We are all getting screwed by Getty -- that's the part to focus on.

It's beacuse you don't get it. IS will keep changing goals until all exclusives are down to the standard Getty 20% royalty. You wil get F* over, and over, and over again.

The only way to get Getty to the negociating table, it to give them a hit on the wallet - i.e. IS sales. This is what the independents are doing for you. We are trying to save your asses. At the same time we free ourselves from the tyranny of Getty by taking our pics, our clients, and our DL's to other sites.
Wake up - wipe the cloth of IS sweettalk from your eyes....
« Last Edit: September 09, 2010, 15:58 by Nordlys »

« Reply #37 on: September 09, 2010, 16:06 »
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The end result has been many more submitters with LCV work burying images that we as buyers actually need for our projects.

What is "LCV" ?

« Reply #38 on: September 09, 2010, 16:08 »
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^^^ Low Commercial Value __ crap images basically.

« Reply #39 on: September 09, 2010, 16:13 »
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One more added

vlad_the_imp

« Reply #40 on: September 09, 2010, 16:20 »
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It's another to support the artists and vote with your feet.  Thank you!

That has got to be the most self-interested moronic comment I've read in this whole debate. Why would anyone contributing to IS want people to go elsewhere and thus damage the artists income?

« Reply #41 on: September 09, 2010, 16:26 »
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Hi People!

Im very tired...but plz spread it on FB and twitter, I started today in swedish...
I dont think byers know this Istockpolicy, so tell them...pardon from a very tired swede..
pardon the swenglish...
/lena

lisafx

« Reply #42 on: September 09, 2010, 16:26 »
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It's another to support the artists and vote with your feet.  Thank you!

That has got to be the most self-interested moronic comment I've read in this whole debate. Why would anyone contributing to IS want people to go elsewhere and thus damage the artists income?

LOL.  Both self-interested AND moronic?  That seems a bit OxyMoronic to me ;D

« Reply #43 on: September 09, 2010, 16:30 »
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It's another to support the artists and vote with your feet.  Thank you!

That has got to be the most self-interested moronic comment I've read in this whole debate. Why would anyone contributing to IS want people to go elsewhere and thus damage the artists income?

To point out to iStock management that their actions have consequences?  To put every other agency on notice that we're not just sheep to be fleeced?  And that's ignoring the very human "screw with me and I'll screw with you" response to being bullied.

vlad_the_imp

« Reply #44 on: September 09, 2010, 16:44 »
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.  Both self-interested AND moronic

That's right, they exist hapily together, you've just shown that.

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To point out to iStock management that their actions have consequence

Look mate, you're hardly a big seller on IS. For a lot of people it's their entire source of income, start chasing buyers away and people are not happy. Duh!

« Reply #45 on: September 09, 2010, 16:45 »
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It's another to support the artists and vote with your feet.  Thank you!

That has got to be the most self-interested moronic comment I've read in this whole debate. Why would anyone contributing to IS want people to go elsewhere and thus damage the artists income?

To point out to iStock management that their actions have consequences?  To put every other agency on notice that we're not just sheep to be fleeced?  And that's ignoring the very human "screw with me and I'll screw with you" response to being bullied.

Well - the independnts are going to leave IS i masses. So we will naturally redirect our clients to our other sites, as we pull down our stuff from IS.
We'll also stop buying images from IS.
The independents are about 75% of IS contributers in numbers, though not in images, but we buy a lot casuse many of us also run design shops aside the photography.
All that businnes is now leaving IS as we leave IS.

For the exclusives I feel sorry- but you just made a bad business desition.

I remember advicing Lisa some years ago, not to put all her eggs in the IS bag - I bet she glad about that today?

« Reply #46 on: September 09, 2010, 16:45 »
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That has got to be the most self-interested moronic comment I've read in this whole debate. Why would anyone contributing to IS want people to go elsewhere and thus damage the artists income?

I am not damaging my income if buyers go elsewhere. I am (i.e. my images are) elsewhere.
Istock / Getty are damaging my income (come next year) by lowering the already lowest commission in the industry by another 25%.

« Reply #47 on: September 09, 2010, 16:49 »
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.  Both self-interested AND moronic

That's right, they exist hapily together, you've just shown that.

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To point out to iStock management that their actions have consequence

Look mate, you're hardly a big seller on IS. For a lot of people it's their entire source of income, start chasing buyers away and people are not happy. Duh!

In futura I not - I left the place. As in independent I'm noto responsible for YOUR business desitions. I make my own. If I chose to redirect my clients and my network to other sites, that MY desition. If you choose to stay with IS - thats YOUR desition!

vlad_the_imp

« Reply #48 on: September 09, 2010, 16:50 »
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I am (i.e. my images are) elsewhere.

Oh yeah, I see, 400 sales in 2 years, a real pro!

vlad_the_imp

« Reply #49 on: September 09, 2010, 16:51 »
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If I chose to redirect my clients and my network to other sites, that MY desition.

Oh, I bet you're another big seller!


 

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