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« Reply #100 on: April 13, 2011, 20:20 »
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Lisa - from my understanding, that's not how the regional results work. your comment makes a big ( and I believe incorrect) assumption about how the regional sort works. there was a thread in the iStock forum in which the way it will work was described in detail.

I don't recall that - only some vague examples about showing the right nationality if "flag" was used as a search term. Do you have a link to the details?


« Reply #101 on: April 14, 2011, 00:05 »
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I don't recall that - only some vague examples about showing the right nationality if "flag" was used as a search term. Do you have a link to the details?

Well, 'flag' certainly doesn't work. So the thread describing the wonders of this scheme is probably missing in the same way that people went missing from official Soviet photos in Stalin's day. You can always airbrush away your mistakes.

SNP

  • Canadian Photographer
« Reply #102 on: April 14, 2011, 00:25 »
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I haven't found any threads in my search in which regional sort was discussed. so, it may be my searching, or the comments are gone, or maybe it's not happening, or maybe it's returned to the best match algorithm vault. who knows, but I don't believe the regional sort could singlehandedly sink anyone's sales anyways unless all their images are of one national landmark somewhere.
« Last Edit: April 14, 2011, 00:31 by SNP »

lisafx

« Reply #103 on: April 14, 2011, 14:49 »
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Lisa - from my understanding, that's not how the regional results work. your comment makes a big ( and I believe incorrect) assumption about how the regional sort works. there was a thread in the iStock forum in which the way it will work was described in detail. I'm trying to find the thread for you where they discussed the regional sort and how it would work in theory, but it's not coming up in any searches. bizarre. anyone know if the regional search is actually live? or have they taken all mentions of regional search results back into the 'classified arena'.

Thanks for trying to find it for me. :)  I haven't been in the Istock forums a lot lately. 

I certainly hope I am wrong and my images aren't being kept out of searches outside North America, just because I am located here.  I see my work "in action" from all over the world.  I am sure most of us have the same experience. 

« Reply #104 on: April 14, 2011, 15:59 »
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Has the dust settled?  My sales are down 25-30% this week.  This coincides with a big jump in my local currency (Australian $) against the US$.  So all in all, this latest best match change couldn't have come at a worse time.  I certainly hope they haven't stopped dialling!!

Curious point:  For a while last week, when I sorted my portfolio by best match, 18 out of the top 20 images were "Australian" - scenes, money, food, etc.  This even though such images are only a small percentage of my total.  Don't know what was going on there.  Something to do with their "regional results" experiment??

« Reply #105 on: April 14, 2011, 16:06 »
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Has the dust settled?  My sales are down 25-30% this week. 

Don't forget that the Easter vacation period has already started in much of Europe. I think we can expect a quiet couple of weeks on all agencies.

« Reply #106 on: April 14, 2011, 16:11 »
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Don't forget that the Easter vacation period has already started in much of Europe. I think we can expect a quiet couple of weeks on all agencies.

In the last couple of years, Easter has not affected my sales until the week of Good Friday, i.e. next week.  So I don't think that's the reason for the current decline.

lisafx

« Reply #107 on: April 14, 2011, 17:23 »
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Don't forget that the Easter vacation period has already started in much of Europe. I think we can expect a quiet couple of weeks on all agencies.

Thanks for the reminder.  Easter/Spring Break was slow for me last year.  Now at least I will be prepared.

SNP

  • Canadian Photographer
« Reply #108 on: April 15, 2011, 00:02 »
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Lisa - from my understanding, that's not how the regional results work. your comment makes a big ( and I believe incorrect) assumption about how the regional sort works. there was a thread in the iStock forum in which the way it will work was described in detail. I'm trying to find the thread for you where they discussed the regional sort and how it would work in theory, but it's not coming up in any searches. bizarre. anyone know if the regional search is actually live? or have they taken all mentions of regional search results back into the 'classified arena'.

Thanks for trying to find it for me. :)  I haven't been in the Istock forums a lot lately. 

I certainly hope I am wrong and my images aren't being kept out of searches outside North America, just because I am located here.  I see my work "in action" from all over the world.  I am sure most of us have the same experience. 

look at the bright side...I think there was data suggesting the US is where a big chunk of iStock business comes from. so you're probably good! I think regional sorts might be quite damaging to contributors with smaller, region-specific ports that are not representative of US buyers' interests....

« Reply #109 on: April 15, 2011, 00:16 »
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Don't forget that the Easter vacation period has already started in much of Europe. I think we can expect a quiet couple of weeks on all agencies.

Thanks for the reminder.  Easter/Spring Break was slow for me last year.  Now at least I will be prepared.

Well, it may appear to be Easter on iStock but it sure as hell isn't Easter on SS.

« Reply #110 on: April 15, 2011, 07:31 »
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Thanks for the reminder.  Easter/Spring Break was slow for me last year.  Now at least I will be prepared.

Well, it may appear to be Easter on iStock but it sure as hell isn't Easter on Shutterstock.

Or Dreamstime. And actually my commission tally is moving upward (finally) for me on BigStock.

« Reply #111 on: April 15, 2011, 08:58 »
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In the last three days I've had about 40% of my usual monthly earnings on 123 and CanStockPhoto has been producing several sales a day instead of one or two.

« Reply #112 on: April 15, 2011, 09:53 »
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It may not stay this way, but as this week has progressed, sales have been returning to the land of the living at IS (for me). Nothing really great (i.e. no big spike over prior good days) but massively better than the prior week (which was grim). Obviously I hope this means that their "tweaks" are moving in the right direction

« Reply #113 on: April 15, 2011, 10:36 »
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It may not stay this way, but as this week has progressed, sales have been returning to the land of the living at IS (for me). Nothing really great (i.e. no big spike over prior good days) but massively better than the prior week (which was grim). Obviously I hope this means that their "tweaks" are moving in the right direction

More or less the opposite for me. Wednesday was the best day Dls wise I've had for a while. Yesterday went dead after about 6pm here (UK). Today is like a Sunday! The funny thing is that on the previous Monday after the first big change I had a reasonable day.
To be honest, I can't see any rhyme or reason in it any longer. All I do know is that overall I'm looking well down this week, but even so only "really bad" not "totally disasterous"

« Reply #114 on: April 15, 2011, 11:40 »
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More or less the opposite for me. Wednesday was the best day Dls wise I've had for a while. Yesterday went dead after about 6pm here (UK). Today is like a Sunday! The funny thing is that on the previous Monday after the first big change I had a reasonable day.
To be honest, I can't see any rhyme or reason in it any longer. All I do know is that overall I'm looking well down this week, but even so only "really bad" not "totally disasterous"

I think that's the key statement, and I think that's exactly the way istock wants it to be.

« Reply #115 on: April 15, 2011, 13:50 »
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To answer my own question, here's the words straight from the horse's mouth (sort of - it's via that Canon article where KKT was interviewed), so we have to take it with a grain of salt, considering he thinks all the contributors only sell stock to buy a new lens cap:

"Thompson also clearly has an eye on the long-term benefits of the site's search engine which has recently been overhauled. He describes it as awesome in delivering results based on a customer/client's location."

So it's supposed to be based on a client's location. So so stupid. Not all a designer's clients are local. Can they really be *that* dumb at iStock? (rhetorical question, of course)

« Reply #116 on: April 15, 2011, 14:07 »
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To answer my own question, here's the words straight from the horse's mouth (sort of - it's via that Canon article where KKT was interviewed), so we have to take it with a grain of salt, considering he thinks all the contributors only sell stock to buy a new lens cap:

"Thompson also clearly has an eye on the long-term benefits of the site's search engine which has recently been overhauled. He describes it as awesome in delivering results based on a customer/client's location."

So it's supposed to be based on a client's location. So so stupid. Not all a designer's clients are local. Can they really be *that* dumb at iStock? (rhetorical question, of course)

totally... especially if I have a web developer working in Thailand but contracted to work on a site based out of the U.S.  Did they forget why the marketplace they sell in is called the WORLD WIDE Web?

« Reply #117 on: April 15, 2011, 14:09 »
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To answer my own question, here's the words straight from the horse's mouth (sort of - it's via that Canon article where KKT was interviewed), so we have to take it with a grain of salt, considering he thinks all the contributors only sell stock to buy a new lens cap:

"Thompson also clearly has an eye on the long-term benefits of the site's search engine which has recently been overhauled. He describes it as awesome in delivering results based on a customer/client's location."

So it's supposed to be based on a client's location. So so stupid. Not all a designer's clients are local. Can they really be *that* dumb at iStock? (rhetorical question, of course)

You know, I hadn't really thought of that -- haven't bought stock for a remote client in a while -- but yeah, imagine if you worked in the travel industry or did design work for a multi-national? Pain in the ass.

« Reply #118 on: April 15, 2011, 14:38 »
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If I do certain Google searches - for restaurants, locksmiths, etc. - I get a lot of local content. That's good -  it knows my location (via GPS on my iPhone and because I've told it when I'm on my desktop computer). But Google is smart enough to know that if I start searching for things that don't really have any local component - "What's malted barley?"  - it just drops all the sections for my area and gives me information.

It may be that some bright spark decided that local information in search results is "the thing" without fully thinking through how designers do what they do. There's a comment in that article about the difficulties of "...trying to figure out the foibles of human behavior from a mass of digital bits..."  When you consider the team size and level of expertise that the big dogs (Google and Microsoft) have working on this sort of search engine behavior, it does make me wonder why a small subsidiary of a stock photo company would take this on.

« Reply #119 on: April 15, 2011, 15:09 »
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... When you consider the team size and level of expertise that the big dogs (Google and Microsoft) have working on this sort of search engine behavior, it does make me wonder why a small subsidiary of a stock photo company would take this on.

Istock/Getty do have form in this regard. Uniquely they force users to seach for their products with their special Controlled Vocabulary. Google stayed well clear of that idea (as well as all the other stock agencies and every other business on the web).

« Reply #120 on: April 15, 2011, 15:13 »
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... When you consider the team size and level of expertise that the big dogs (Google and Microsoft) have working on this sort of search engine behavior, it does make me wonder why a small subsidiary of a stock photo company would take this on.

Istock/Getty do have form in this regard. Uniquely they force users to seach for their products with their special Controlled Vocabulary. Google stayed well clear of that idea (as well as all the other stock agencies and every other business on the web).

I"ve never understood the impetus to invest so much time & energy in CV, when forum questions time and time again prove that its illogical -- why reinvent the wheel? It seems like a marketing tactic run amok: "Ooooh, look at our fancy CV thingamabob!! It'll get you precise results with every search! (But only if you use our special terms, don't use confusing symbols like '+',  and burn special Calgary incense in your office."

« Reply #121 on: April 15, 2011, 16:17 »
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To answer my own question, here's the words straight from the horse's mouth (sort of - it's via that Canon article where KKT was interviewed), so we have to take it with a grain of salt, considering he thinks all the contributors only sell stock to buy a new lens cap:

"Thompson also clearly has an eye on the long-term benefits of the site's search engine which has recently been overhauled. He describes it as awesome in delivering results based on a customer/client's location."

So it's supposed to be based on a client's location. So so stupid. Not all a designer's clients are local. Can they really be *that* dumb at iStock? (rhetorical question, of course)

totally... especially if I have a web developer working in Thailand but contracted to work on a site based out of the U.S.  Did they forget why the marketplace they sell in is called the WORLD WIDE Web?

Kelly needs to put the pipe down. Every time I'm tasked with shopping for photos, I see/feel the buyer's pain. Having spent all week now, several hours each day, searching for luxury travel-related images, I must say that iStock's search tool is the antithesis of awesome.

Why, for the love of god, for example, am I being shown THE SAME images every other page? Even when I dump best match sort in favor of sort by age? Not that it should matter how one is sorting. If you showed me an image once and I didn't buy it or add it to a lightbox, putting it in front of me two, three, five, fifteen times or more isn't going to do anything but piss me the eff off.

And the spam. By god the spam. It's so out of control. And it's not just random contributors. It's big names. Not cool. And clearly deliberate. And clearly they get away with it because of who they are. In speaking to another iStock contributor about this very issue, I was informed that when this person tried to fairly Wiki an inspector's file - someone who is just out of control with the spamming - the Wiki went away within hours. Nothing was done. Zap. Gone. File remains, spam and all. No favoritism, my arse. Spamming can seriously help . out of a file, as we all know.

There are others, but those would have to be my top two beefs with IS search. Those and I'd love to be able to nix all the Vetta and Agency files, of course. We don't have the budget for such lavish spending on photos, and coupled with the other two issues I mentioned, it's adding to a serious waste of my time. Which, for my company, is money.

« Reply #122 on: April 15, 2011, 17:16 »
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march was a bme, sudden jump up about 25% on an 'average' month
april so far is looking to be about 35% below my 'average' month

did 2 searches that allow me to see my stuff well as they have narrow results (and no vetta or agency)

1st search (28 pages / 50 per page)  - my first flame image is on page 8, my blue flame on page 18. I used to have about 3 flame images on page 1 and a couple on page 2 :(

my 2nd search only brings up 4 pages of results (50 per page) - so limiting in some ways but there is about half a dozen people with 6-10 images each so can be interesting

my first image is bottom of page 1, then scattered, another independant person is pretty much the same, the third independant got the 1st two spots and then scattered, so no real big deal

most stuff is pretty scattered but I did pick up that
1 person (silver exclusive 8 images) scored all 8 of his images in the first 4 lines of page 1 including 3 in the first line.
1 person (bronze exclusive 9 images) got 6 images on page 1 (two in first line) and then 3 in the first line of page 2
1 person (silver exclusive 6 images) got all 6 images in the very last 7 spots on page 4! ouch!
« Last Edit: April 16, 2011, 01:18 by Phil »

SNP

  • Canadian Photographer
« Reply #123 on: April 15, 2011, 17:59 »
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To answer my own question, here's the words straight from the horse's mouth (sort of - it's via that Canon article where KKT was interviewed), so we have to take it with a grain of salt, considering he thinks all the contributors only sell stock to buy a new lens cap:

"Thompson also clearly has an eye on the long-term benefits of the site's search engine which has recently been overhauled. He describes it as awesome in delivering results based on a customer/client's location."

So it's supposed to be based on a client's location. So so stupid. Not all a designer's clients are local. Can they really be *that* dumb at iStock? (rhetorical question, of course)

totally... especially if I have a web developer working in Thailand but contracted to work on a site based out of the U.S.  Did they forget why the marketplace they sell in is called the WORLD WIDE Web?

Kelly needs to put the pipe down. Every time I'm tasked with shopping for photos, I see/feel the buyer's pain. Having spent all week now, several hours each day, searching for luxury travel-related images, I must say that iStock's search tool is the antithesis of awesome.

Why, for the love of god, for example, am I being shown THE SAME images every other page? Even when I dump best match sort in favor of sort by age? Not that it should matter how one is sorting. If you showed me an image once and I didn't buy it or add it to a lightbox, putting it in front of me two, three, five, fifteen times or more isn't going to do anything but piss me the eff off.

And the spam. By god the spam. It's so out of control. And it's not just random contributors. It's big names. Not cool. And clearly deliberate. And clearly they get away with it because of who they are. In speaking to another iStock contributor about this very issue, I was informed that when this person tried to fairly Wiki an inspector's file - someone who is just out of control with the spamming - the Wiki went away within hours. Nothing was done. Zap. Gone. File remains, spam and all. No favoritism, my arse. Spamming can seriously help . out of a file, as we all know.

There are others, but those would have to be my top two beefs with IS search. Those and I'd love to be able to nix all the Vetta and Agency files, of course. We don't have the budget for such lavish spending on photos, and coupled with the other two issues I mentioned, it's adding to a serious waste of my time. Which, for my company, is money.

I don't know what you mean by seeing the SAME images every other page. identical images? how does that happen? I just did a search on "travel and luxury" and the best match results were good. a mix of V/A and main collections. I'm just trying to see what you're reporting.
« Last Edit: April 15, 2011, 18:40 by SNP »

« Reply #124 on: April 16, 2011, 09:04 »
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To answer my own question, here's the words straight from the horse's mouth (sort of - it's via that Canon article where KKT was interviewed), so we have to take it with a grain of salt, considering he thinks all the contributors only sell stock to buy a new lens cap:

"Thompson also clearly has an eye on the long-term benefits of the site's search engine which has recently been overhauled. He describes it as awesome in delivering results based on a customer/client's location."

So it's supposed to be based on a client's location. So so stupid. Not all a designer's clients are local. Can they really be *that* dumb at iStock? (rhetorical question, of course)

You know, I hadn't really thought of that -- haven't bought stock for a remote client in a while -- but yeah, imagine if you worked in the travel industry or did design work for a multi-national? Pain in the ass.

^ I am that company.  We do design work in Orange County but for India, China, Columbia, Mexico, Puerto Rico, Russia, to name a few.  We use Istock but now have a Shutterstock account and are transitioning away from IS due mostly to the pricing trickery they use and the many site problems.  We may use them later if/when things are fixed but......sigh!


 

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