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« on: February 17, 2011, 16:21 »
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Apparently they flipped the switch sometime earlier today.


ShadySue

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« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2011, 17:06 »
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Apparently they flipped the switch sometime earlier today.

I'm still pretty concerned that they haven't worked out that they have the same extended license uses available with editorial images as with 'main collection' images. I noticed it first when I clicked on the link explaining 'allow extended licenses' on the upload page. Sirimo suggested I write to Support about this, and I did - last Monday, i.e. 7th Feb, and still no answer.
If you find an editorial image, and click on the link under the sizes and prices about license types and get taken to this page:
http://www.istockphoto.com/license_comparison.php
Surely it should be made blatantly clear that some of these uses are NOT allowed for editorial files.

« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2011, 17:22 »
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Apparently they flipped the switch sometime earlier today.

I'm still pretty concerned that they haven't worked out that they have the same extended license uses available with editorial images as with 'main collection' images. I noticed it first when I clicked on the link explaining 'allow extended licenses' on the upload page. Sirimo suggested I write to Support about this, and I did - last Monday, i.e. 7th Feb, and still no answer.
If you find an editorial image, and click on the link under the sizes and prices about license types and get taken to this page:
http://www.istockphoto.com/license_comparison.php
Surely it should be made blatantly clear that some of these uses are NOT allowed for editorial files.


I can't see where the objection is - I think each of these El options is possible for editorial images. In some cases such as items for sale its probably less likely, but still a possibility.

« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2011, 17:33 »
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I can't see where the objection is - I think each of these El options is possible for editorial images. In some cases such as items for sale its probably less likely, but still a possibility.

Yep, there are legitimate uses for all those things for editorial.

ShadySue

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« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2011, 19:08 »
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I can't see where the objection is - I think each of these El options is possible for editorial images. In some cases such as items for sale its probably less likely, but still a possibility.

Yep, there are legitimate uses for all those things for editorial.
Really?
"Advertisements in newspapers, magazine, or other printed material    
Web/digital advertisements    
Printed promotional projects including product packaging, catalogues, brochures, promotional greeting cards, promotional postcards and promotional posters "
It looks like a really, really slippery slope. As that's the same page as 'commercial images' ELs, with no reminders about editorial uses, it could easily be that someone could 'forget where they are'. At least if it was coloured 'istock-editorial-red and it was explained what particular kinds of adverts etc could use editorial images.

For editorial images?

WarrenPrice

« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2011, 19:15 »
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I can't see where the objection is - I think each of these El options is possible for editorial images. In some cases such as items for sale its probably less likely, but still a possibility.

Yep, there are legitimate uses for all those things for editorial.
Really?
"Advertisements in newspapers, magazine, or other printed material    
Web/digital advertisements    
Printed promotional projects including product packaging, catalogues, brochures, promotional greeting cards, promotional postcards and promotional posters "
It looks like a really, really slippery slope. As that's the same page as 'commercial images' ELs, with no reminders about editorial uses, it could easily be that someone could 'forget where they are'. At least if it was coloured 'istock-editorial-red and it was explained what particular kinds of adverts etc could use editorial images.

For editorial images?

It does happen, Sue.  I've had some of my racing images (editorial)  used for promotional material ... race programs, flyers, local publications.  Even magazines advertising upcoming events for sponsors/promoters.

ShadySue

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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2011, 19:25 »
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I can't see where the objection is - I think each of these El options is possible for editorial images. In some cases such as items for sale its probably less likely, but still a possibility.

Yep, there are legitimate uses for all those things for editorial.
Really?
"Advertisements in newspapers, magazine, or other printed material    
Web/digital advertisements    
Printed promotional projects including product packaging, catalogues, brochures, promotional greeting cards, promotional postcards and promotional posters "
It looks like a really, really slippery slope. As that's the same page as 'commercial images' ELs, with no reminders about editorial uses, it could easily be that someone could 'forget where they are'. At least if it was coloured 'istock-editorial-red and it was explained what particular kinds of adverts etc could use editorial images.

For editorial images?

It does happen, Sue.  I've had some of my racing images (editorial)  used for promotional material ... race programs, flyers, local publications.  Even magazines advertising upcoming events for sponsors/promoters.
Yes, there will always be abuses, unfortunately; but iStock shouldn't be positively encouraging the abuses. It's a totally mixed message: warnings on the image page, then apparently a free-for-all if you buy an EL.

« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2011, 16:31 »
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I can't see where the objection is - I think each of these El options is possible for editorial images. In some cases such as items for sale its probably less likely, but still a possibility.

Yep, there are legitimate uses for all those things for editorial.
Really?
"Advertisements in newspapers, magazine, or other printed material    
Web/digital advertisements    
Printed promotional projects including product packaging, catalogues, brochures, promotional greeting cards, promotional postcards and promotional posters "
It looks like a really, really slippery slope. As that's the same page as 'commercial images' ELs, with no reminders about editorial uses, it could easily be that someone could 'forget where they are'. At least if it was coloured 'istock-editorial-red and it was explained what particular kinds of adverts etc could use editorial images.

For editorial images?

The things you're quoting are only examples of where the "Unlimited reproduction/print run" license applies - its not a type of extended license in itself.

ShadySue

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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2011, 17:29 »
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I can't see where the objection is - I think each of these El options is possible for editorial images. In some cases such as items for sale its probably less likely, but still a possibility.

Yep, there are legitimate uses for all those things for editorial.
Really?
"Advertisements in newspapers, magazine, or other printed material    
Web/digital advertisements    
Printed promotional projects including product packaging, catalogues, brochures, promotional greeting cards, promotional postcards and promotional posters "
It looks like a really, really slippery slope. As that's the same page as 'commercial images' ELs, with no reminders about editorial uses, it could easily be that someone could 'forget where they are'. At least if it was coloured 'istock-editorial-red and it was explained what particular kinds of adverts etc could use editorial images.

For editorial images?

The things you're quoting are only examples of where the "Unlimited reproduction/print run" license applies - its not a type of extended license in itself.
of course not, but the wording implies that it would be OK to use editorial files in these uses if an EL was purchased. It totally contradicts the warnings on the files page.
'Ignorant' or disingenuous buyers could think that wording meant if they paid more money they could use them in ads etc, because that's what it says on this page.

ShadySue

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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2011, 19:34 »
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Hey, I just got my first editorial sale, so as I cant woo-way in the forum there, I'll just woot here.
:-)

SNP

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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2011, 21:40 »
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Hey, I just got my first editorial sale, so as I cant woo-way in the forum there, I'll just woot here.
:-)

congratulations! that's exciting. I have about 30 images up for editorial so far, more in queue. It's taken some time to go through my backups for editorial images to upload. looking forward to my first editorial sale too. which image was it of yours? give us a pimp...

« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2011, 00:15 »
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Hey, I just got my first editorial sale, so as I cant woo-way in the forum there, I'll just woot here.
:-)

Congrats, Sue! That's very exciting.

Once I slog through some of the other work I've got on my plate, I'm looking forward to giving IS Editorial a go, too. Here's hoping it's a positive, successful new offering and experience.

ShadySue

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« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2011, 05:37 »
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Hey, I just got my first editorial sale, so as I cant woo-way in the forum there, I'll just woot here.
:-)


congratulations! that's exciting. I have about 30 images up for editorial so far, more in queue. It's taken some time to go through my backups for editorial images to upload. looking forward to my first editorial sale too. which image was it of yours? give us a pimp...

Well, since you asked  ;)
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=15662150
and by sheer coincidence, my long-standing Alamy pic, used on a newspaper website since 12th October, was just reported (not paid!) on Alamy yesterday, also a photo I took at Edinburgh Airport:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatnews/8058576/British-citizens-top-list-for-visa-free-travel.html
under the newspaper scheme (i.e. <$8 to me).
Apparently it was a web-only use. I'm surprised they buy images, even under the scheme, only to put on their free-to-view website.

Good luck with your editorial. It will be interesting to see how it pans out.


dk

« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2011, 11:22 »
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I have some photos i want to upload as editorial but i'm wondering what the strategy should be on each site.
For example a picture like the one linked by Sue can be submitted on istock as editorial but can you submit the same image on Shutterstock? Or they reject anything not considered newsworthy?

Also Alamy - would they accept an image like this as RF with restrictions or should it be RM because of the people?
Any ideas? It would be nice to be able to submit an editorial image to all agencies accepting them but can it be done?

ShadySue

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« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2011, 11:40 »
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I have some photos i want to upload as editorial but i'm wondering what the strategy should be on each site.
For example a picture like the one linked by Sue can be submitted on istock as editorial but can you submit the same image on Shutterstock? Or they reject anything not considered newsworthy?

Also Alamy - would they accept an image like this as RF with restrictions or should it be RM because of the people?
Any ideas? It would be nice to be able to submit an editorial image to all agencies accepting them but can it be done?
I know nothing about SS, so someone else can answer.
If you submitted either of these pics to Alamy, they would have to be RM because you'd need both property releases and model releases for RF.
Alamy does not sell editorial RF.

dk

« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2011, 12:00 »
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Thanks Sue,
that's what i thought about Alamy. Would it be ok then to submit the same editorial image as RF in istock and RM in Alamy? I see agencies like Zoonar for example selling the images as RF or/and RM according to use.

SNP

  • Canadian Photographer
« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2011, 12:17 »
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slainte Liz - I almost said that before but I wasn't sure if you had used your name here! great use, way to go!

ShadySue

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« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2011, 15:00 »
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Thanks Sue,
that's what i thought about Alamy. Would it be ok then to submit the same editorial image as RF in istock and RM in Alamy? I see agencies like Zoonar for example selling the images as RF or/and RM according to use.
It's up to you. I don't do it, and in fact last night I deactivated an editorial I'd just had accepted on iStock because I decided it was probably too close to one I have on to Alamy. It's difficult to make choices of what to send where to see what will work.

ShadySue

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« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2011, 15:20 »
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slainte Liz - I almost said that before but I wasn't sure if you had used your name here! great use, way to go!
My identity's not a secret. I used SoopySue on iStock because it seemed at that time that everyone had a pseudonym, and I thought it was a rule. So having use that, I chose ShadySue on here. My iStock link is up, no problem.

ShadySue

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« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2011, 17:01 »
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Hmmmm.
I got an editorial rejection for poor light. Yet again. Nothing unusual there.
What was unusual was the additional message from the inspector:
+++Staged shots are more appropriate for the royalty-free collection and should not be submitted to editorial.
This is odd on several fronts:
1. The shot was not staged.
2. Presumably if it had been staged with perfect 'istock lighting' it wouldn't have been rejected for poor light. They can't have it both ways.
2b. What about all those people who were going to do model shoots, with studio lighting, with models carrying e.g. a can of coke. That was going to be OK for editorial, to my astonishment. Is that not 'set up'?
2b2. As well as two people in the photo (one possibly /uzzy/small enough to pass, one recognisable by context), there were three recogniseable aeroplanes (one of which was the real 'point' of the photo), which I'm assuming would be easily recogniseable to anyone who knows anything about these things. Plus any number of branded items, as it was a natural, unstaged photo.
3. Worst of all, note the wording:
+++Staged shots are more appropriate for the royalty-free collection and should not be submitted to editorial.
Don't even the specialist editorial inspectors know that istock's editorial collection is being sold Royalty Free?
(I'm not scouting it. I'm not surprised at the usual 'natural light' rejection.)
« Last Edit: February 25, 2011, 08:12 by ShadySue »

« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2011, 13:18 »
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I have some photos i want to upload as editorial but i'm wondering what the strategy should be on each site.
For example a picture like the one linked by Sue can be submitted on istock as editorial but can you submit the same image on Shutterstock? Or they reject anything not considered newsworthy?

Also Alamy - would they accept an image like this as RF with restrictions or should it be RM because of the people?
Any ideas? It would be nice to be able to submit an editorial image to all agencies accepting them but can it be done?

It's sort of hit or miss with ShutterStock.  My guess is it would be rejected for not being newsworthy.

I've uploaded some product editorial images (mostly cars in setup shots), and previously had them accepted, but now they're being rejected for not being newsworthy (must be in a car show or some other event).  Same with people doing everyday things, like construction workers on a job site - accepted before, now not newsworthy.


 

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