Author Topic: iStock’s 2cent Royalties – What’s Going On? (Read 24774 times)

Paulo M. F. Pires · « **Reply #25 on:** April 27, 2018, 17:24 »

ESP support reply proves that I was in fact living in a cave -_-

Quote

These are royalties from our Connect products, and the royalty statements for Connect are available to download from where you download your PDF or TXT statements, as seen highlighted in the attached.

More information on Connect can be found here:

https://contributors.gettyimages.com/article.aspx?article_id=2664

https://contributors.gettyimages.com/article.aspx?article_id=2533

So those 0,02$ and 0,04$ ( and less ) are "pay-per-view" commissions.. not a RF "normal sale"... but after all , If the images aren't "downloaded" as claimed.. hmmm still not fair, but..

brunorbs · « **Reply #26 on:** April 28, 2018, 14:31 »

Gets worse.

ShadySue · « **Reply #27 on:** April 28, 2018, 14:51 »

Quote from: brunorbs on April 28, 2018, 14:31

Gets worse.

These are the Connect 'sales' mentioned above. (Check out the links)

brunorbs · « **Reply #28 on:** April 30, 2018, 09:06 »

Quote from: ShadySue on April 28, 2018, 14:51

Quote from: brunorbs on April 28, 2018, 14:31
Gets worse.
These are the Connect 'sales' mentioned above. (Check out the links)

I'm well aware.

These are not, tho.

angelawaye · « **Reply #29 on:** April 30, 2018, 10:36 »

why do you guys put yourself (and work) through this!

dpimborough · « **Reply #30 on:** April 30, 2018, 13:33 »

Quote from: angelawaye on April 30, 2018, 10:36

why do you guys put yourself (and work) through this!

They must be masochists

Paulo M. F. Pires · « **Reply #31 on:** April 30, 2018, 14:38 »

Yes, they are not all "connect" ones.

About "Premium Access Time" and "Credit Pack": I've got some a bit bigger than that ones.. 1$~

Quote from: angelawaye on April 30, 2018, 10:36

why do you guys put yourself (and work) through this!

Speaking exclusively for me, this is neither my main source of income, nor my main job.

I even stopped uploading somewhere in 2013, and I decided to start over, with two permisses:

- Work with less that 5 or 4 agencies.No more low earners and "new agencies".
- Give, in terms of quality, what they are paying .. last batch's even have mobile images ... (I own a Zenfone 3 .. now think ...).
- Protect best seelers (I have a dozen of images that stiill selling well, and that ones I removed from low earners / low RDP sites).

Now looking at the 2018 stats, ESP still having a good RPD for me, and even If I count the "connect sales" to "sales", RPD goes really low, but stills near some "middle level agency's" one!

And even here on MSG, some guys aren't so worried about cut out's and lower commissions....

ShadySue · « **Reply #32 on:** April 30, 2018, 14:51 »

Quote from: brunorbs on April 30, 2018, 09:06

Quote from: ShadySue on April 28, 2018, 14:51
Quote from: brunorbs on April 28, 2018, 14:31
Gets worse.
These are the Connect 'sales' mentioned above. (Check out the links)

I'm well aware.

These are not, tho.

Sh*t, I'm sorry, I have no idea why these are so ridiculously low.
There were tiny sales in Premium access, time limited (for a day or whatever) - but I don't think they were that low, but you'd have to either check out their forum

or take out a support ticket for an answer to your particular mega-low sales.

Added: I don't see anything obvious jumping out at me on their forums, just go straight to the Support Ticket route.
And please feed back what they tell you.

brunorbs · « **Reply #33 on:** April 30, 2018, 15:00 »

Quote from: ShadySue on April 30, 2018, 14:51

Quote from: brunorbs on April 30, 2018, 09:06
Quote from: ShadySue on April 28, 2018, 14:51
Quote from: brunorbs on April 28, 2018, 14:31
Gets worse.
These are the Connect 'sales' mentioned above. (Check out the links)

I'm well aware.

These are not, tho.
Sh*t, I'm sorry, I have no idea why these are so ridiculously low.
There were tiny sales in Premium access, time limited (for a day or whatever) - but I don't think they were that low, but you'd have to either check out their forum or take out a support ticket for an answer to your particular mega-low sales.

Nah, don't worry about it !

It's just to show to people that it's not just connect sales. If they were, well, there's an explanation. These sales I've shown were divided in like three or four different months, not all in the same month.

Getty's RPD is ok, but these low regular sales are really, really worrying.

ShadySue · « **Reply #34 on:** April 30, 2018, 16:55 »

Quote from: brunorbs on April 30, 2018, 15:00

Quote from: ShadySue on April 30, 2018, 14:51
Quote from: brunorbs on April 30, 2018, 09:06
Quote from: ShadySue on April 28, 2018, 14:51
Quote from: brunorbs on April 28, 2018, 14:31
Gets worse.
These are the Connect 'sales' mentioned above. (Check out the links)

I'm well aware.

These are not, tho.
Sh*t, I'm sorry, I have no idea why these are so ridiculously low.
There were tiny sales in Premium access, time limited (for a day or whatever) - but I don't think they were that low, but you'd have to either check out their forum or take out a support ticket for an answer to your particular mega-low sales.

Nah, don't worry about it !

It's just to show to people that it's not just connect sales. If they were, well, there's an explanation. These sales I've shown were divided in like three or four different months, not all in the same month.

Getty's RPD is ok, but these low regular sales are really, really worrying.

Where are you seeing 'regular' as you mentioned and in your screenshot? I looked at my stats files, and did a search for 'regular' and it didn't throw up any hits. Any idea what 'regular' means?

Paulo M. F. Pires · « **Reply #35 on:** April 30, 2018, 16:59 »

Quote from: ShadySue on April 30, 2018, 16:55

Where are you seeing 'regular' as you mentioned and in your screenshot? I looked at my stats files, and did a search for 'regular' and it didn't throw up any hits. Any idea what 'regular' means?

In Deepmeta 3, first column "type". No mater which collection, I see 2 types: Connect/Regular

In ESP Site "Connect" appears as "Price per Image" ( I've seen some mention about it in "connect program" links ) .. so "Regular" probably are all sales except those "pay-for-view".

brunorbs · « **Reply #36 on:** April 30, 2018, 17:40 »

Quote from: ShadySue on April 30, 2018, 16:55

Quote from: brunorbs on April 30, 2018, 15:00
Quote from: ShadySue on April 30, 2018, 14:51
Quote from: brunorbs on April 30, 2018, 09:06
Quote from: ShadySue on April 28, 2018, 14:51
Quote from: brunorbs on April 28, 2018, 14:31
Gets worse.
These are the Connect 'sales' mentioned above. (Check out the links)

I'm well aware.

These are not, tho.
Sh*t, I'm sorry, I have no idea why these are so ridiculously low.
There were tiny sales in Premium access, time limited (for a day or whatever) - but I don't think they were that low, but you'd have to either check out their forum or take out a support ticket for an answer to your particular mega-low sales.

Nah, don't worry about it !

It's just to show to people that it's not just connect sales. If they were, well, there's an explanation. These sales I've shown were divided in like three or four different months, not all in the same month.

Getty's RPD is ok, but these low regular sales are really, really worrying.

Where are you seeing 'regular' as you mentioned and in your screenshot? I looked at my stats files, and did a search for 'regular' and it didn't throw up any hits. Any idea what 'regular' means?

"Sales" tab, sort by Type.

ShadySue · « **Reply #37 on:** April 30, 2018, 18:12 »

Quote from: Paulo M. F. Pires on April 30, 2018, 16:59

Quote from: ShadySue on April 30, 2018, 16:55
Where are you seeing 'regular' as you mentioned and in your screenshot? I looked at my stats files, and did a search for 'regular' and it didn't throw up any hits. Any idea what 'regular' means?

In Deepmeta 3, first column "type". No mater which collection, I see 2 types: Connect/Regular

In ESP Site "Connect" appears as "Price per Image" ( I've seen some mention about it in "connect program" links ) .. so "Regular" probably are all sales except those "pay-for-view".

Ah, in DM3. Tx.
I do see some 'regular' sales, with <10c sales amounts, of which most seem to be 'Premium Access Time Limited', but some are iStock Subscription

Oddly, none in March (regular/tiny amount), which is fine by me!
Oddly, I also noticed a PATL sale of nearly $70 gross - which was almost instantly refunded!

Still, as StockWife mentioned, my overall average RPD of subs has gone up from when it was a fixed, but higher, subs rate.

Wishing well · « **Reply #38 on:** April 30, 2018, 23:08 »

And I was going to open an account with iStock to sell my stock images... No way I am doing it now.

brunorbs · « **Reply #39 on:** May 08, 2018, 15:25 »

Getty's reply, in portuguese as a screenshot. Translation:

In the photos sold in subscriptions (as the plan is quarterly or annual) the value per image ends up being cents, so the contributors gain in the volume of images sold.

If you are interested in becoming exclusive, the value of royalties and value per image increase, as the average value per image (royalties) increases.

In this article you will find more information: https://contributors.gettyimages.com/article.aspx?article_id=5210 [nofollow]

Hugs and any doubt we are at disposal,

TDLR: "you are being paid enough"

namussi · « **Reply #40 on:** May 08, 2018, 20:25 »

Some of the tiny payments are for access to a picture for a short time.

So what is the fair rate for use of a photo per day?

Pauws99 · « **Reply #41 on:** May 09, 2018, 07:19 »

Quote from: namussi on May 08, 2018, 20:25

Some of the tiny payments are for access to a picture for a short time.

So what is the fair rate for use of a photo per day?

What someone will pay.....when did "fair" ever enter the industry?

increasingdifficulty · « **Reply #42 on:** May 09, 2018, 07:24 »

Quote from: Pauws99 on May 09, 2018, 07:19

Quote from: namussi on May 08, 2018, 20:25
Some of the tiny payments are for access to a picture for a short time.

So what is the fair rate for use of a photo per day?
What someone will pay.....when did "fair" ever enter the industry?

Exactly, but "fair" is wide open for interpretation.

However, what I believe many people mean when they say "fair compensation" is that if you were to spend 40 hours per week working with something, fair compensation would be an average (or low average) monthly salary where you live.

I doubt many people in the stock business are actually spending 40 hours per week, every week - maybe closer to 2 hours per week over the course of a year... Fair compensation would mean 5% of a standard monthly salary then.

ShadySue · « **Reply #43 on:** May 09, 2018, 08:22 »

Quote from: namussi on May 08, 2018, 20:25

Some of the tiny payments are for access to a picture for a short time.

So what is the fair rate for use of a photo per day?

It's not really a relevant issue, though iS have made it so.
A big company using an image for an hour gets more eyeballs than 'my' site would have in 50 years.

namussi · « **Reply #44 on:** May 09, 2018, 08:42 »

Alright then. How much would you charge for someone to use one of your photos for a day?

ShadySue · « **Reply #45 on:** May 09, 2018, 09:00 »

Quote from: namussi on May 09, 2018, 08:42

Alright then. How much would you charge for someone to use one of your photos for a day?

Depends if it's a friend, a charity or a business.
A friend recently asked for one of my pics (not on an agency) to use in a talk he's giving to a community group. The most he'll get is (if he's lucky) a box of chocolates or a bottle of wine. He'll be showing c100 pics, mostly his own. Should I ask for a chocolate?
Interestingly, he asked specifically for me to include a watermark with my name so he'd remember whose pic it is.

A business, it should be a straight commercial sale. Why should time matter if they're selling something, even if just a warm fuzzy 'user experience' (retaining customers) and they get thousands or millions of eyeballs in a short time.

Pauws99 · « **Reply #46 on:** May 10, 2018, 00:54 »

Quote from: namussi on May 09, 2018, 08:42

Alright then. How much would you charge for someone to use one of your photos for a day?

However much I think they will pay ;-)

namussi · « **Reply #47 on:** May 10, 2018, 08:53 »

Quote from: ShadySue on May 09, 2018, 09:00

A business, it should be a straight commercial sale. Why should time matter if they're selling something, even if just a warm fuzzy 'user experience' (retaining customers) and they get thousands or millions of eyeballs in a short time.

Blimey, you sound like you really hate customers.

niktol · « **Reply #48 on:** May 10, 2018, 09:21 »

Quote from: namussi on May 09, 2018, 08:42

Alright then. How much would you charge for someone to use one of your photos for a day?

good question, got me thinking...

a photo is not like a sandwich, where if you share it between 100 people, there is nothing left. ShadySue sounds about right. If it's a "temporary" use, the number of people who see it should be a multiplier. Just like in an art museum, everyone pays for his own ticket, no "wholesale" discount.

pancaketom · « **Reply #49 on:** May 10, 2018, 11:35 »

I'd say somewhere in between what Getty charges and what they pay us. A whole lot closer to what Getty charges.

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Author Topic: iStock’s 2cent Royalties – What’s Going On? (Read 24774 times)

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angelawaye

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ShadySue

Wishing well

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