Author Topic: June sales on iSTOCK OR COMPARE !!!!! (Read 31859 times)

Mantis · « **Reply #25 on:** July 01, 2011, 11:22 »

Quote from: stockmarketer on July 01, 2011, 08:42

Quote from: lagereek on July 01, 2011, 06:09
Quote from: stockmarketer on July 01, 2011, 05:58
Quote from: lagereek on July 01, 2011, 04:56

What does say a lot, it that my earnings from say SS, is going into a 5-figured amount, thanks to the IS mess around with independants.

Do you mean you did nearly 5 figures at SS in June, or is that YTD?

$100.00

YTD ? whats that, computer language? I dont want to give away too much but lets put it this way. In my six years in Micro, I have never seen such a skyrocketting of sales at SS and DT, since almost the very date of IS, throwing independant files right at the back.
Its just too much of coincidence.
Yet! as an independant, Im doing pretty well at IS, might be down about 30% from earlier but still good.

As someone else pointed out, YTD is Year To Date.

I still don't understand what you're saying, aside from SS being up for you. Still wondering what you meant by "my earnings from say SS, is going into a 5-figured amount." It sounds like either your year-to-date earnings at SS are approaching $10,000 or that your monthly earnings at SS are approaching $10,000. Is this what you meant?

PeterChigmaroff · « **Reply #26 on:** July 01, 2011, 11:26 »

My BMEs YTD are FUBAR at IS, SS & DT, making a SNAFU of P&L.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #27 on:** July 01, 2011, 11:35 »

Quote from: Zeus on July 01, 2011, 11:26

My BMEs YTD are FUBAR at IS, SS & DT, making a SNAFU of P&L.

can I have 2 of that?

VB inc · « **Reply #28 on:** July 01, 2011, 11:50 »

Quote from: stockmarketer on July 01, 2011, 08:42

Quote from: lagereek on July 01, 2011, 06:09
Quote from: stockmarketer on July 01, 2011, 05:58
Quote from: lagereek on July 01, 2011, 04:56

What does say a lot, it that my earnings from say SS, is going into a 5-figured amount, thanks to the IS mess around with independants.

Do you mean you did nearly 5 figures at SS in June, or is that YTD?

YTD ? whats that, computer language? I dont want to give away too much but lets put it this way. In my six years in Micro, I have never seen such a skyrocketting of sales at SS and DT, since almost the very date of IS, throwing independant files right at the back.
Its just too much of coincidence.
Yet! as an independant, Im doing pretty well at IS, might be down about 30% from earlier but still good.

As someone else pointed out, YTD is Year To Date.

I still don't understand what you're saying, aside from SS being up for you. Still wondering what you meant by "my earnings from say SS, is going into a 5-figured amount." It sounds like either your year-to-date earnings at SS are approaching $10,000 or that your monthly earnings at SS are approaching $10,000. Is this what you meant?

stockmarketer, u shouldnt take what he says to be true. He likes to exaggerate his success. I remember another post he made quite recently claiming to make a lot of money on istock and got caught lying about it from another member here.

ToniFlap · « **Reply #29 on:** July 01, 2011, 11:56 »

Stable and regular. I hardly have uploaded pictures this year.

cthoman · « **Reply #30 on:** July 01, 2011, 11:57 »

I wasn't sure if this was an overall thread or just IS. Regardless, I'm going to do what I usually do and just talk about whatever I want.

As far as IS, the free fall didn't continue this month for me. Maybe, it has stabilized or settled into its new lower level. As far as the overall picture, it was my worst month of the year. Although, I've only been growing my portfolio at a couple sites, so I guess I can't blame the agencies. Unless being underpaid at them counts as an excuse for the blame game.

lagereek · « **Reply #31 on:** July 01, 2011, 12:14 »

Quote from: VB inc on July 01, 2011, 11:50

Quote from: stockmarketer on July 01, 2011, 08:42
Quote from: lagereek on July 01, 2011, 06:09
Quote from: stockmarketer on July 01, 2011, 05:58
Quote from: lagereek on July 01, 2011, 04:56

What does say a lot, it that my earnings from say SS, is going into a 5-figured amount, thanks to the IS mess around with independants.

Do you mean you did nearly 5 figures at SS in June, or is that YTD?

YTD ? whats that, computer language? I dont want to give away too much but lets put it this way. In my six years in Micro, I have never seen such a skyrocketting of sales at SS and DT, since almost the very date of IS, throwing independant files right at the back.
Its just too much of coincidence.
Yet! as an independant, Im doing pretty well at IS, might be down about 30% from earlier but still good.

As someone else pointed out, YTD is Year To Date.

I still don't understand what you're saying, aside from SS being up for you. Still wondering what you meant by "my earnings from say SS, is going into a 5-figured amount." It sounds like either your year-to-date earnings at SS are approaching $10,000 or that your monthly earnings at SS are approaching $10,000. Is this what you meant?

stockmarketer, u shouldnt take what he says to be true. He likes to exaggerate his success. I remember another post he made quite recently claiming to make a lot of money on istock and got caught lying about it from another member here.

VB inc.

Thats a good boyo, you tell em wont you. Tisk, tisk. Nobody said 10K per day or whatever, boing! silly me. Anyway your a good lad.

lisafx · « **Reply #32 on:** July 01, 2011, 13:18 »

Sorry Christian, I was confused too. I can't imagine anyone except maybe Yuri making five figures (over 10k/ MONTH) at Shutterstock. I'm a very good seller there and I'm happy when I make it to 4 figures...

Here are my stats, with rise or fall from June 2010 in ():

ISP   37% (-10%)
SS   20% (+11%)
DT   16% (+19%)
Fot   15% (-33%)
B S   4%
123   3%
Can   2%
Alm   3%

The above numbers are slightly misleading though. Istock download numbers are down a whopping 38%, but P+ has managed to recover some - not all - of the lost income. FT downloads are only down 9%, but more of the sales are subs, which accounts for the big drop in income.

Slovenian · « **Reply #33 on:** July 01, 2011, 13:31 »

Quote from: lisafx on July 01, 2011, 13:18

Sorry Christian, I was confused too. I can't imagine anyone except maybe Yuri making five figures (over 10k/ MONTH) at Shutterstock. I'm a very good seller there and I'm happy when I make it to 4 figures...

Oh come on, I have just over 400 photos over there and I'm making at least 240$/month (and I'm still at 33c level). I know you having 20x more photos (not sure how much, since I could find your port at SS, but it surely is more than 6,5k that you have at IS) doesn't translate to 20x more sales, but at least 5x more sounds about right. Wow, I thought you BDs are all making 10k+ and I was hoping to reach 1k at SS someday, so that I'd get around 2k/month (combined with the rest of the agencies), which would allow me a comfortable living (with all the expenses it would translate to roughly a bit more than 1k EUR). And isn't Yuri supposed to be making way over a mil/year (macro+micro)?

lisafx · « **Reply #34 on:** July 01, 2011, 13:53 »

Quote from: Slovenian on July 01, 2011, 13:31

Quote from: lisafx on July 01, 2011, 13:18
Sorry Christian, I was confused too. I can't imagine anyone except maybe Yuri making five figures (over 10k/ MONTH) at Shutterstock. I'm a very good seller there and I'm happy when I make it to 4 figures...

Oh come on, I have just over 400 photos over there and I'm making at least 240$/month (and I'm still at 33c level). I know you having 20x more photos (not sure how much, since I could find your port at SS, but it surely is more than 6,5k that you have at IS) doesn't translate to 20x more sales, but at least 5x more sounds about right. Wow, I thought you BDs are all making 10k+ and I was hoping to reach 1k at SS someday, so that I'd get around 2k/month (combined with the rest of the agencies), which would allow me a comfortable living (with all the expenses it would translate to roughly a bit more than 1k EUR). And isn't Yuri supposed to be making way over a mil/year (macro+micro)?

Well, I can't speak for anyone else. BD is based on Istock sales and has nothing to do with Shutterstock. Maybe the exclusive BD's do make over 10k/month on Istock, but I don't make anywhere near that there. Not even in the ballpark.

As for SS, I have the same images there that I have at Istock, with only minor differences. Unlike most people, I have the same sized ports across all sites I contribute to. I make around half there what I make at IS, so that is "nowhere near 10k"/2. If I am that far from hitting 5 figures/month on SS I seriously doubt many (if any) are.

You can't do a straight extrapolation between your 400 images and my 6k+ portfolio. Things like age of images, rate of new production, dilution of concepts, and all sorts of other factors play into it. Not to mention the dreaded law of diminishing returns, which has seen my income contract year-on-year from it's high point in 2009.

As usual, you draw your conclusions based on wrong assumptions, and then are obnoxious about shoving them down people's throats. Believe what you want.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #35 on:** July 01, 2011, 13:55 »

Comparisons are hard to make as June was back to being an independent, but the iStock download total was beyond pitiful - down 21% on May 2011 and down 33% on June 2010

My reduction in return per download at IS was 51%, just about mirroring my 49% drop from 35% to 18% royalties which says to me that Photo+ is working so far (I put lots of files into P+)

SS had several days where my earnings there exceeded my IS earnings for that day - the OD sales are very nice and pull up the RPD nicely. DT was a pleasant surprise that in spite of the super-tight upload limits sales started right away and continue (albeit at about 12% of what SS made me last month!). I only have 298 images online so far (and at 53 per week it'll be a long haul. My 90%+ approval rate for new uploads is only 77.something overall, so until I can get that over 80% overall, I'm at 1/2 the weekly maximum).

123rf is seeing sales start to come in - I hadn't uploaded much there until about 2 weeks ago, and as their reviews appear to be speeding up and I'm getting much larger chunks of my portfolio up, I hope to see them join DT as a regular earner.

I had hopes for CanStock, but it's been a slow start. We'll see how things progress once the summer's over. $4.25 for the month of June is better than 0 - which is where I am with Stockfresh, but I know they're still in startup mode, so I'll try and be patient.

Veer's reviews are so slow, they just reviewed the 37 files I submitted when I was finally able to sell elsewhere at the beginning of June. Added to the 10 application files, that means I have 47 files approved. They're very nice people, but I don't think anyone's selling there, so I'm undecided about what to do with further uploads (beyond submitting the next 50 that I already FTP'd).

Pixmac's reviews are also a bit slow, so I have 49 images online and the next 35 have been waiting all week for a review (the 4 days seems to be more like 7). No sales there yet either.

Whiz · « **Reply #36 on:** July 01, 2011, 14:12 »

I made around $25 at iStockphoto this month (744 files). Ten dollars less than last month.

cthoman · « **Reply #37 on:** July 01, 2011, 14:14 »

Quote from: Slovenian on July 01, 2011, 13:31

Oh come on, I have just over 400 photos over there and I'm making at least 240$/month (and I'm still at 33c level). I know you having 20x more photos (not sure how much, since I could find your port at SS, but it surely is more than 6,5k that you have at IS) doesn't translate to 20x more sales, but at least 5x more sounds about right. Wow, I thought you BDs are all making 10k+ and I was hoping to reach 1k at SS someday, so that I'd get around 2k/month (combined with the rest of the agencies), which would allow me a comfortable living (with all the expenses it would translate to roughly a bit more than 1k EUR). And isn't Yuri supposed to be making way over a mil/year (macro+micro)?

It would be nice if it worked that way, but growth isn't always linear. Sometimes it is, but not always. Like most complain about, the goalpost isn't necessarily still there waiting for you when you reach it. Those suckers like to move around.

Slovenian · « **Reply #38 on:** July 01, 2011, 14:15 »

Quote from: jsnover on July 01, 2011, 13:55

Comparisons are hard to make as June was back to being an independent, but the iStock download total was beyond pitiful - down 21% on May 2011 and down 33% on June 2010

My reduction in return per download at IS was 51%, just about mirroring my 49% drop from 35% to 18% royalties which says to me that Photo+ is working so far (I put lots of files into P+)

SS had several days where my earnings there exceeded my IS earnings for that day - the OD sales are very nice and pull up the RPD nicely. DT was a pleasant surprise that in spite of the super-tight upload limits sales started right away and continue (albeit at about 12% of what SS made me last month!). I only have 298 images online so far (and at 53 per week it'll be a long haul. My 90%+ approval rate for new uploads is only 77.something overall, so until I can get that over 80% overall, I'm at 1/2 the weekly maximum).

123rf is seeing sales start to come in - I hadn't uploaded much there until about 2 weeks ago, and as their reviews appear to be speeding up and I'm getting much larger chunks of my portfolio up, I hope to see them join DT as a regular earner.

I had hopes for CanStock, but it's been a slow start. We'll see how things progress once the summer's over. $4.25 for the month of June is better than 0 - which is where I am with Stockfresh, but I know they're still in startup mode, so I'll try and be patient.

Veer's reviews are so slow, they just reviewed the 37 files I submitted when I was finally able to sell elsewhere at the beginning of June. Added to the 10 application files, that means I have 47 files approved. They're very nice people, but I don't think anyone's selling there, so I'm undecided about what to do with further uploads (beyond submitting the next 50 that I already FTP'd).

Pixmac's reviews are also a bit slow, so I have 49 images online and the next 35 have been waiting all week for a review (the 4 days seems to be more like 7). No sales there yet either.

your transition from excl. to non-excl is an interesting read. You're not submitting to FT or did you forgot to mention it? 123RF is a nice suprise for me as well, started at the same time as you and had more sales there than on FT and DT (we're talking about a couple of bucks of course;).

Suljo · « **Reply #39 on:** July 01, 2011, 14:18 »

Quote from: Perry on July 01, 2011, 01:15

Worst IS month since January 2009.

Mine too but from Feb 2009. I really dont know what smacks on IS are doing.
Third month in earnings this year.
Shuter is better than IS, DT, FT combined.
123 and Big switch they position from last month.
Can and Veer are seriously picking up.
Others are relatively same +/- 5-10%

cthoman · « **Reply #40 on:** July 01, 2011, 14:19 »

Quote from: jsnover on July 01, 2011, 13:55

Comparisons are hard to make as June was back to being an independent, but the iStock download total was beyond pitiful - down 21% on May 2011 and down 33% on June 2010

How many sites actually kept your content from when you were independent before? I assume that was 2 or 3 years as an exclusive, right?

Shank_ali · « **Reply #41 on:** July 01, 2011, 14:20 »

Well the title and thread was made to let members talk about there June sales at Istockphoto.It's posted in the Istockphoto section after all

Slovenian · « **Reply #42 on:** July 01, 2011, 14:26 »

Quote from: cthoman on July 01, 2011, 14:14

Quote from: Slovenian on July 01, 2011, 13:31
Oh come on, I have just over 400 photos over there and I'm making at least 240$/month (and I'm still at 33c level). I know you having 20x more photos (not sure how much, since I could find your port at SS, but it surely is more than 6,5k that you have at IS) doesn't translate to 20x more sales, but at least 5x more sounds about right. Wow, I thought you BDs are all making 10k+ and I was hoping to reach 1k at SS someday, so that I'd get around 2k/month (combined with the rest of the agencies), which would allow me a comfortable living (with all the expenses it would translate to roughly a bit more than 1k EUR). And isn't Yuri supposed to be making way over a mil/year (macro+micro)?

It would be nice if it worked that way, but growth isn't always linear. Sometimes it is, but not always. Like most complain about, the goalpost isn't necessarily still there waiting for you when you reach it. Those suckers like to move around.

Yes of course, I ever said that. I was talking about at least 1:4 ratio; for instance earning 500$ with a 1k port, then you quadruple your port and you make a grand. I think the most important is the time frame. If you quadruple it in a year, than you just might increase your sales for more than 100%. But if it takes 6 years to do it, well that's something completely different.

I set my self 2 goals for now. To reach 500$ after 12 months (I just did it, or missed it for 10$ at most), hitting 1k after a year (trying hard to achieve that) and then try to earn as much as I can. But that won't be doable (the 3rd goal), since I also love to enjoy what I'm doing and I'm shooting way to often stuff that I love to shoot instead of stuff that I should shoot in order to get closer to my goals. The other thing is trying to keep earning the amount your goal was set to. And in June I'll probably barely cross 400$ (I'm still waiting for PP earnings).

So yeah, those suckers sure like to move around

. Waiting for the summer slump, although I can say that the sales are still decent, at least at SS.

Slovenian · « **Reply #43 on:** July 01, 2011, 14:30 »

Suljo great pie chart. Hahaha piši kao što govoriš, jebote!

travelstock · « **Reply #44 on:** July 01, 2011, 14:31 »

For me its almost 12 months since I went exclusive. Sales were down about 20% compared to April & May, but still up on my last full month as an independent, even excluding whatever comes through from PP and GI sales.

DL numbers were about what they should have been considering portfolio growth and the time of year.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #45 on:** July 01, 2011, 14:51 »

Quote from: cthoman on July 01, 2011, 14:19

Quote from: jsnover on July 01, 2011, 13:55
Comparisons are hard to make as June was back to being an independent, but the iStock download total was beyond pitiful - down 21% on May 2011 and down 33% on June 2010

How many sites actually kept your content from when you were independent before? I assume that was 2 or 3 years as an exclusive, right?

There were some (about 600) at SS, but everywhere else the content was gone. SS lost all the keywords on all 600 files (they couldn't explain why; just suggested I re-enter them

.

It was not quite 3 years (August 2008 to June 2011) as an exclusive. The big advantage on SS was keeping my account and thus my earnings total, meaning I didn't have to start at 25 cents a download.

At DT, it was actually a negative to have kept my account - no old files and yet I kept my acceptance percentage (going back to November 2004 when I knew less than nothing and got a lot of files rejected; and when they started rejecting files for having model releases shortly before I stopped uploading that hit my percentage again (shots of a forehead or nose and eyes got rejected for having a release)).

@Slovenian. I didn't forget FT - they won't have me

I did ask and they said "...Fotolia would not be interested in re-establishing a business relationship with you". They didn't say why, but I believe that speaking out about things that I perceive are anti-contributor and trying to organize contributors to withhold uploads (something I participated in when FT first introduced subscriptions with very low payouts) might have had something to do with it.

Suljo · « **Reply #46 on:** July 01, 2011, 14:51 »

Quote from: Slovenian on July 01, 2011, 14:30

Suljo great pie chart. Hahaha piši kao što govoriš, jebote!

Ma pisao sam ispočetka tako i zaradio 30ak ignore butonsa od stokinih woyay debila koji su prije par godina bili gluhih očiju. Sad kad su se stvari iskristalizirale o stoki, niko me nejebe 2%, a sad svi pišu o njima kao ja prije par godina i nikom ništa, a ja na 30 ignorsa, a oni su sad pametni.

To other folks
Sorry for off topic

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #47 on:** July 01, 2011, 15:04 »

One more stat that might be interesting is the return per download. For IS it was $2.10, down from $4.32 in May; for SS, 44 cents, DT 59 cents, 123rf $1.04, CanStock 85 cents.

For DT, bear in mind that all my images were at level 0 at the start of the month. I now have 21 level 1 images and one level 2, so the RPD should climb a bit as the sales take more images up a level or two.

For SS, the OD portion of the month's total was 22% (no ELs in June). Once I cross the $10K threshhold, the number should rise a bit but after that, only volume can help

lagereek · « **Reply #48 on:** July 01, 2011, 16:51 »

Quote from: lisafx on July 01, 2011, 13:18

Sorry Christian, I was confused too. I can't imagine anyone except maybe Yuri making five figures (over 10k/ MONTH) at Shutterstock. I'm a very good seller there and I'm happy when I make it to 4 figures...

Here are my stats, with rise or fall from June 2010 in ():

ISP   37% (-10%)
SS   20% (+11%)
DT   16% (+19%)
Fot   15% (-33%)
B S   4%
123   3%
Can   2%
Alm   3%

The above numbers are slightly misleading though. Istock download numbers are down a whopping 38%, but P+ has managed to recover some - not all - of the lost income. FT downloads are only down 9%, but more of the sales are subs, which accounts for the big drop in income.

Hi Lisa!

No, no, not 10K per month, since Jan up till now (half year) Im close to 10K, by my calculations and that not bad, then again Im absoloutely sure many x-buyers at IS find my images at SS.
Maybe I wrote a bit misleading.
In any case, SS is by far a superior site.

Xalanx · « **Reply #49 on:** July 01, 2011, 17:14 »

Quote from: lisafx on July 01, 2011, 13:53

Quote from: Slovenian on July 01, 2011, 13:31
Quote from: lisafx on July 01, 2011, 13:18
Sorry Christian, I was confused too. I can't imagine anyone except maybe Yuri making five figures (over 10k/ MONTH) at Shutterstock. I'm a very good seller there and I'm happy when I make it to 4 figures...

Oh come on, I have just over 400 photos over there and I'm making at least 240$/month (and I'm still at 33c level). I know you having 20x more photos (not sure how much, since I could find your port at SS, but it surely is more than 6,5k that you have at IS) doesn't translate to 20x more sales, but at least 5x more sounds about right. Wow, I thought you BDs are all making 10k+ and I was hoping to reach 1k at SS someday, so that I'd get around 2k/month (combined with the rest of the agencies), which would allow me a comfortable living (with all the expenses it would translate to roughly a bit more than 1k EUR). And isn't Yuri supposed to be making way over a mil/year (macro+micro)?

Well, I can't speak for anyone else. BD is based on Istock sales and has nothing to do with Shutterstock. Maybe the exclusive BD's do make over 10k/month on Istock, but I don't make anywhere near that there. Not even in the ballpark.

As for SS, I have the same images there that I have at Istock, with only minor differences. Unlike most people, I have the same sized ports across all sites I contribute to. I make around half there what I make at IS, so that is "nowhere near 10k"/2. If I am that far from hitting 5 figures/month on SS I seriously doubt many (if any) are.

You can't do a straight extrapolation between your 400 images and my 6k+ portfolio. Things like age of images, rate of new production, dilution of concepts, and all sorts of other factors play into it. Not to mention the dreaded law of diminishing returns, which has seen my income contract year-on-year from it's high point in 2009.

As usual, you draw your conclusions based on wrong assumptions, and then are obnoxious about shoving them down people's throats. Believe what you want.

Absolutely true in every aspect, Lisa. However, to be frank I thought you made on a regular basis 4 figures at SS - and I am the one who's happy when I get them

and surely most annoyed when I miss them by a few bucks.

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