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« on: July 15, 2011, 13:25 »
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I am pretty new to stock, and I wanna ask u couple of questions.

Its almost a month since I got accepted to istock, SS, alamy and all the smaller stock agencies. Everywhere it works more or less ok. SS are actually awesome. They sell a lot of my photos and they review everything within hours.

I got a problem with iStock and I start to think its gonna be a hard one. They keep rejecting my photos, but not for low commercial value, noise etc. They keep finding wrong keywords, problems with releases they previously accepted etc. I can understand all of that BUT:

1. they reject releases they accepted earlier
2. After they reject some keywords, I upload again without those and they find some more (14 - 15 keywords). For example - model in bedroom - they reject "interior" etc.
3. After they reject a photo for keywords, I upload it again corrected, they reject it for release etc.
4. I got a release with ID of the model and they reject it for "no date of birth" - COME ON, u got a  ID with a DOB in print letters - can u get it any better?
5. No date of shot (yuri's release). Date is written in 3 spots - photographer, witness and model - 3 x date of shot, still - no date of shot
6. Reject reason - the place of shot should be on the release - I might be wrong here but iStock release doesnt have "Place of Shot" field either...

I keep on updating my release form with all the new fields they want, but how long will it take... Also - sometimes it makes no sense at all

I start to think its gonna be really hard to overcome. I got 99% photos accepted into SS, Alamy, fotolia, dreamstime etc. iStock starts to be "unuploadable", and not cause of the photos but cause of some different things I cannot understand.

Lately situation got so frustrating that they rejected 1 of my photos that was previously accepted... I got "DEACTIVATION NOTICE" :D Of course - cause of a release (that is still attached to 1 or 2 of accepted photos).

And now - my question to u guys - do u have a way to get across all that problems? I mean - there is so many contributors, there must be a way to upload the photos to iStock :):):)

Also - I dont wanna start a new subject, but does anybody have a release that is not iStock release and is accepted by all the agencies ? (I use Yuri's release with some extra fields for iStock).

Thanks!
« Last Edit: July 15, 2011, 13:29 by bartee »


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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2011, 13:32 »
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The good news is that Istockphoto are planning an overhaul of the upload system.The present one is too slow.
Just download an Istock model release form and fill it in correctly and you should have no problem

« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2011, 13:34 »
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You can take an istock release and just remove the istock name and logo. That should give you a generic release. many photographers use the istock release but add their studio name on top.

They are pretty strict with keywords. have you tried discussing some rejections in the keywordforum? or maybe just read there to get a feeling how they want an image keyworded. You dont need many keywords anyway, I usually add less than 15 keywords and very often less than 10.

« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2011, 13:35 »
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"The good news is that Istockphoto are planning an overhaul of the upload system.The present one is too slow."

Really? I use DeepMeta and uploading is a breeze. (Deepmeta is a free program that helps you keyword and upload files).

What are they going to change? Do you have a link?

« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2011, 13:46 »
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I had an istock release and it was fine, but some of other agencies rejected it (something about some teritorial laws). I know u got to change one or 2 things so every agency would accept iStock release.

I am 50% sure it was depositphotos. I can check that later.

Cobalt: I got it installed - I will check it. Now I use Stock Submitter

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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2011, 14:32 »
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"The good news is that Istockphoto are planning an overhaul of the upload system.The present one is too slow."

Really? I use DeepMeta and uploading is a breeze. (Deepmeta is a free program that helps you keyword and upload files).

What are they going to change? Do you have a link?
Just a titbit from the Istock Lypse in London.Like most things on Istock though, regarding change, they take awhile .

« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2011, 14:37 »
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ignore the advice to use the iStock release  if you are submitting to other sites as well. Other sites will not accept the multiple jurisdictions in the Getty and iStock releases. You don't want to have site-by-site releases; you'll go mad.

I made a variant that pulls from the Getty release and Yuri's. It has been accepted everywhere, but since I dropped exclusivity I haven't uploaded much to iStock, so I haven't used it yet there (so I think it's fine, but haven't had a chance to test it yet).

However, you do need to follow iStock's rules, which are more restrictive that most sites, about a new release for each shoot.  Sometimes people following the rules run into  rejections and have to resubmit because an inspector incorrectly is too strict (typing information into the form ahead of time for example) but that should be rare. Details matter though - such as the dates on which the model and witnesses sign must match - they can be different from the shoot date if signatures are obtained after the fact (like they might be if you got a new release signed later because some agency wouldn't accept what you got signed earlier :))

You must have a shoot description or they'll reject it (except for self-portraits where a catch all is allowed). The description needs to be reasonably specific - "mother and child in nursery and playing in the sandbox" would probably do, but "mother and baby" wouldn't.

Each agency's rules may or may not make sense, but they set them, and arguing that they're nonsense won't generally get a contributor anywhere. Once you get the hang of meeting iStock's requirements, it should be pretty straightforward after that.

« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2011, 14:45 »
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I had an istock release and it was fine, but some of other agencies rejected it (something about some teritorial laws). I know u got to change one or 2 things so every agency would accept iStock release.

I am 50% sure it was depositphotos. I can check that later.

Cobalt: I got it installed - I will check it. Now I use Stock Submitter

yep, quite correct.  Dreamstime (I think they are the only one) rejects it.

« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2011, 15:18 »
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You must have a shoot description or they'll reject it (except for self-portraits where a catch all is allowed). [/quote]

I have a question about self-portrait. Does it mean that you can use the same release forever? Also does a self-portrait release have to be witnesses? Thanks.

« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2011, 15:36 »
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You must have a shoot description or they'll reject it (except for self-portraits where a catch all is allowed).

I have a question about self-portrait. Does it mean that you can use the same release forever? Also does a self-portrait release have to be witnesses? Thanks.
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You can use it over and over - although it is important to make it really really clear (I have a note in red up top saying that it's a self portrait and catch all releases are allowed) that it is a self-portrait. People pop up in the forums every so often with a rejection because of no shoot date.

I also believe that a witness is not required, but I had my husband sign mine just to avoid any hassles. The theory is that you wouldn't ever sue yourself over a photo you took of yourself, so a witness isn't needed.

« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2011, 17:56 »
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I am pretty sure I had a self portrait release rejected for no witness, but it might not have been IS.

lisafx

« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2011, 18:31 »
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ignore the advice to use the iStock release  if you are submitting to other sites as well. Other sites will not accept the multiple jurisdictions in the Getty and iStock releases.

Your suggestion of putting together your own release drawing from Yuri's and Getty's is good, but for anyone who prefers to use the Getty release, it is possible.  I use it, and for the multiple jurisdictions,  I just selected the one closest to me (New York).  Works fine, and is accepted at all sites. 

« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2011, 02:39 »
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 - thanks for all the good advices. U flooded me with wisdom :-[

Special thanks to luissantos84 for a helpful prv msg!

I always sign separate release for each shot, as I want to be covered myself.

The point of this post is to get accepted to iStock and I think ur advieces might do the trick. We'll see soon :)

Thank u guys !
« Last Edit: July 16, 2011, 03:40 by bartee »

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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2011, 03:25 »
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what a bunch of dilettants istock is. btw they should just pay to licence shutterstock's submission applet, these braindead loosers will never-ever get it right on their own.

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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2011, 04:01 »
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what a bunch of dilettants istock is. btw they should just pay to licence shutterstock's submission applet, these braindead loosers will never-ever get it right on their own.
The model release needs to be right to protect yourself/ model/agent.Thanks for your amusing comment though !

helix7

« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2011, 09:29 »
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The good news is that Istockphoto are planning an overhaul of the upload system.The present one is too slow...

In another thread you claim to be exclusive because of the time savings you get working with just one agency. And yet here you are talking about how slow the upload system at istock is. Interesting.

Nice that they're planning a new system, but too bad it will probably be rolled out in the typical istock fashion with a premature release and months of bug fixes before it's finally usable.


 

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