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Shank_ali

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« Reply #100 on: June 24, 2011, 16:29 »
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Not sure where the thought that exclusive + files will fair better with this new price filter .Most of those exclusive files have duplicates in the library at regular prices !
Is this a better system than just giving the buyers the option to omit Vetta/Agency files appearing in there search results.I don't think so as those buyers would probably keep the box checked forever which is certainly not what Istock would like to happen.I'm sure they hope the majority of buyers dont even use this new feature !


« Reply #101 on: June 24, 2011, 18:02 »
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It'll be interesting to see how sales change, if at all.  I know that since the day they turned it on my sales DL's are 50% compared to the last couple of months.  So I've gone from 20 a day pre-best match  tweak, to 12 after and now 4-6 each day over the last three days.  Not enough data I know but just sayin.  Give it a month then we'll start a DL discussion :-\

« Reply #102 on: June 24, 2011, 18:24 »
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You dont MOVE the SLIDER!  you click on the dots! 


Okay, I finally figured it out. You can click on the dots OR you have to move the top slider down to see the cheaper stuff (or bottom slider up if you want to just see the more expensive stuff). That is not at all clear, IMO.

lagereek

« Reply #103 on: June 25, 2011, 00:07 »
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Buyers!  how will they PERCEIVE, this new incredible DOT system?  from Plebs to Aristocracy?

1 dot.................................. plebian files, cheapo rubbish that can be found in a jumble sale.

2 dot.................................. slightly better, at least shot with average equipment. Still amateurs though

3 dot...................................at least this is shot by semi-pros.

4 dot...................................AHHH!!  this is where the worlds top-pros hang out!!  splendid!


well folks!  it does look like a hierarchy ladder, we know it isnt but in looking at any ladder it doesnt go downhill unless youve been at the top, it sure goes uphill.

I think I prefer collections-symbols before the dots.

Have a nice weekend.

« Reply #104 on: June 25, 2011, 01:23 »
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It depends on the buyers - but you're right this is more about how buyers perceve value than actual value. There are a certain percentage of buyers who will buy something because its expensive and because someone else tells them its good without any appreciation of real value. That applies to all markets - food, clothes, cars, cameras, etc.

I'm sure most buyers don't really get the difference between what collections mean (Agency... something to do with the CIA??, Vetta - are those Italian files??), but basic price points are much simpler.

Buyers!  how will they PERCEIVE, this new incredible DOT system?  from Plebs to Aristocracy?

1 dot.................................. plebian files, cheapo rubbish that can be found in a jumble sale.

2 dot.................................. slightly better, at least shot with average equipment. Still amateurs though

3 dot...................................at least this is shot by semi-pros.

4 dot...................................AHHH!!  this is where the worlds top-pros hang out!!  splendid!


well folks!  it does look like a hierarchy ladder, we know it isnt but in looking at any ladder it doesnt go downhill unless youve been at the top, it sure goes uphill.

I think I prefer collections-symbols before the dots.

Have a nice weekend.

lagereek

« Reply #105 on: June 25, 2011, 09:47 »
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It depends on the buyers - but you're right this is more about how buyers perceve value than actual value. There are a certain percentage of buyers who will buy something because its expensive and because someone else tells them its good without any appreciation of real value. That applies to all markets - food, clothes, cars, cameras, etc.

I'm sure most buyers don't really get the difference between what collections mean (Agency... something to do with the CIA??, Vetta - are those Italian files??), but basic price points are much simpler.

Buyers!  how will they PERCEIVE, this new incredible DOT system?  from Plebs to Aristocracy?

1 dot.................................. plebian files, cheapo rubbish that can be found in a jumble sale.

2 dot.................................. slightly better, at least shot with average equipment. Still amateurs though

3 dot...................................at least this is shot by semi-pros.

4 dot...................................AHHH!!  this is where the worlds top-pros hang out!!  splendid!


well folks!  it does look like a hierarchy ladder, we know it isnt but in looking at any ladder it doesnt go downhill unless youve been at the top, it sure goes uphill.

I think I prefer collections-symbols before the dots.

Have a nice weekend.

Hi!

Just afraid it sends the wrong vibes, thats all, apparantly Im not alone in my thinking, its become an issue in the IS-forum as well!  at the moment it really looks like dot 1, is the cheapo leftovers, doesnt it, especially since the message is: cheaper files.
However, on the other scale it must puzzle buyers when they see that the pics on dot-4, are no better! then 1 and 2. which raise the question,  why are they more expensive?

Its fine balance, isnt it?
« Last Edit: June 25, 2011, 09:49 by lagereek »

« Reply #106 on: June 25, 2011, 10:51 »
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Four dots good, two dots better!

« Reply #107 on: June 25, 2011, 11:07 »
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"m not alone in my thinking, its become an issue in the IS-forum as well!  at the moment it really looks like dot 1, is the cheapo leftovers, doesnt it, especially since the message is: cheaper files."

The customers have eyes to see, dont they?

I mean, they click on the dots and immediatly get the results.

I really dont think you can fool them to believe that the cheaper file is "amateur work" if it clearly isnt.

Shank_ali

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« Reply #108 on: June 25, 2011, 11:16 »
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Nobody has questioned why the company has had to introduce such a measure?.
Ok so it's obvious but it's about 1 year too late IMO.They kept pushing new collections (Vetta/Agency/Exclusive + ) onto buyers with increased prices to match and there competitors have basically kept the same collection and with basic inflation rises.
I hope this new price filter has stopped the demise of Istockphoto for obvious reasons.....

ShadySue

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« Reply #109 on: June 25, 2011, 17:22 »
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Nobody has questioned why the company has had to introduce such a measure?.
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Because it's been discussed on here for months.

« Reply #110 on: June 26, 2011, 14:29 »
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Well the good thing is that photos of the lower price range are still included in the higher range searches.  So it gives the buyer the ability to filter out vetta + agency if they want to, which many of them have been asking for a long time. And even if they wish to see these, they'll still be able to see the lower stuff as before... As for perception, most designers work with their budgets in mind first and foremost.

Did they change the best match again around Wednesday? Sales are about 40% of what they were these past many weeks since that day... I hope it's not related to the price finder...

« Reply #111 on: June 26, 2011, 14:39 »
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There was a public holiday on Thursday in many European countries and many people took Friday off as well. So downloads are down for Europe.

KB

« Reply #112 on: June 26, 2011, 16:09 »
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Well the good thing is that photos of the lower price range are still included in the higher range searches. 
Not necessarily, but I don't see anything wrong with that. If a buyer wishes to see only the higher priced files, they can easily do that by moving both the upper & lower ranges so that only the higher range files are shown.

« Reply #113 on: June 27, 2011, 09:10 »
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Ouch I hadn't tried that bottom slider. That's nasty. Can't wait to read about sales results.

Shank_ali

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« Reply #114 on: June 27, 2011, 16:24 »
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Ouch I hadn't tried that bottom slider. That's nasty. Can't wait to read about sales results.
How do you think reading about other contributors sales will have any bearing or direct impact on yourself that the new filter has been a success or failure?
It's sole purpose is to help designers narrow down there search at the price point there willing to pay.It's only helpful to designers who use Istockphoto and hardly likely to bring more traffic/new clients to the site IMO.

helix7

« Reply #115 on: June 27, 2011, 16:36 »
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I think I prefer collections-symbols before the dots.


Buyers I've spoken with hate the collection symbols. Some don't even notice them or realize that they're a tool for determining an approximate price of an image from the search results page.

They've been screaming for a price filter, and now they've got it. I think it's long overdue and it can't hurt things at istock really. If anything this should keep some buyers from looking around for a new place to shop.

lagereek

« Reply #116 on: June 28, 2011, 00:53 »
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I think I prefer collections-symbols before the dots.


Buyers I've spoken with hate the collection symbols. Some don't even notice them or realize that they're a tool for determining an approximate price of an image from the search results page.

They've been screaming for a price filter, and now they've got it. I think it's long overdue and it can't hurt things at istock really. If anything this should keep some buyers from looking around for a new place to shop.

youre right in a sense, as long as we undestand this tool is only there to aid buyers, we the contributors will not earn a dime more, in fact its got nothing to do with us. This is exclusivly for the buyers.
The reason I said collections was because at the moment some buyers take it for a quality-slider instead of a price-slider and thats detrimental to the entire collection and contributors for that matter.
heck!  I dont care what they use or show as long as it works.

The one and ONLY thing that in any way will aid us contributors, exclusives and independants alike, is a total re-shake or re-vamp of the entire best match system ans as many have actually said within IS, start all over, start fresh.

lisafx

« Reply #117 on: June 28, 2011, 11:12 »
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Ouch I hadn't tried that bottom slider. That's nasty. Can't wait to read about sales results.
How do you think reading about other contributors sales will have any bearing or direct impact on yourself that the new filter has been a success or failure?

It's sole purpose is to help designers narrow down there search at the price point they're willing to pay.  It's only helpful to designers who use Istockphoto and hardly likely to bring more traffic/new clients to the site IMO.

I agree with Nicmac.  I will be interested to see how this impacts sales of contributors who have images at different levels. 

If it is being perceived by buyers as a quality slider, then independents might be reporting downed sales.  As a buyer of pretty much anything, I like to buy in the middle of the quality range.  I know I can't afford the most expensive, but don't want the cut rate junk either. 

OTOH if most of istock's buyers are extremely cost conscious, then we will probably see a lot of complaints from the folks with a high number of V/A files. 

I think the stats threads are very useful for watching how site changes affect contributors.  And yes, I do know that this is a tool for buyers, not contributors, but buyer behavior has a huge affect on contributors bottom line.   

ShadySue

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« Reply #118 on: June 28, 2011, 11:43 »
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I'm hoping the fact that they introduced it just before the Summer Slump is going to be taken into account by both contributors and bean counters.

« Reply #119 on: June 28, 2011, 15:31 »
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youre right in a sense, as long as we undestand this tool is only there to aid buyers, we the contributors will not earn a dime more, in fact its got nothing to do with us. This is exclusivly for the buyers.

Well, only on the most obvious level. If buyers switch from Agency to contributors' files because they can find them again, instead of going off somewhere else, then obviously contributors will benefit. My sales look relatively healthy today, it may be the best day of the entire month.

Shank_ali

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« Reply #120 on: June 28, 2011, 16:25 »
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My sales are ok this week.New price filter coming into play?
Need to contact someone from the other side.......

lagereek

« Reply #121 on: June 28, 2011, 23:50 »
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Yes I have also had a couple of good days, especially yesterday but when I look whats been sold, its pretty much the same files which are always being downloaded.

ShadySue

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« Reply #122 on: June 29, 2011, 06:05 »
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My sales are ok this week.New price filter coming into play?
Need to contact someone from the other side.......
Other side of the fence speaking ... I'm sure it's too soon to call.
In my case, June was a good month - BMY for dls and $$, and almost reaching last June's dls, then suddenly after last Thursday, which was my BDY for dls, CRASH on Friday, and it's been dire since. Right back to Jan-Apr sales figures.
I doubt it's the filtee (unless all the buyers are sliding up from the lowest price rung), but I'd be very interested to know why. I'm not sure 'ebb and flow' really explains such dramatic crashes, and in my case, I'm not even convinced it's best match, as very few of my pics are in the high-demand, high-supply categories, and relatively few are in searches dominated by A/V.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2011, 09:25 by ShadySue »

« Reply #123 on: June 29, 2011, 07:26 »
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(...) - BME for dls and $$, and almost reaching last June's dls, then suddenly after last Thursday, which was my BDY for dls, CRASH on Friday, and it's been dire since. Right back to Jan-Apr sales figures.
(...)

That's exactly my situation. Up to friday last week the sales were great and from that day on it just dried up. So I guess it's a best match tweak.

lagereek

« Reply #124 on: June 29, 2011, 09:13 »
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Not a best match tweak, I think we finally have to face the fact, its lack of buyers or dissapearing buyers?  it seams no matter whats being done, its of little help.

The getty/IS constellation simply isnt working, simple as that. The hallmark seems to be, its working for a day or two and then its just back to its misserably self.

I didnt really want to accept it in the beginning but Im now sure buyers did leave in droves earlier on.


 

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