Author Topic: No crisis du jour at istockphoto? (Read 23361 times)

visceralimage · « **Reply #50 on:** April 30, 2011, 16:42 »

Forgive me as I go a little off topic but this is a Nat. Geo story. About 20 years ago, during the age of transparencies, a friend was commissioned to go shoot tigers in India for a Nat. Geo assignment. As you know, you can not just pop into the nearest Starbucks and hire a tiger for a couple days of modeling; they, he and his guides. were in the woods for a bit of time. Every week, they had to send in their rolls of film via FedEx to this editor. Now understand, wildlife photographers on assignment for one specific species are going to photograph something, just to keep practiced with the light angles, timing, etc. So this photographer was photographing monkeys. Week after week, month after month, this editor was reviewing hundreds of rolls of film, thousands of transparencies, of mostly monkeys. Monkeys in the trees, monkeys swinging, monkeys scratching their private parts, and so on.

This photographer continued his assignment for months, after about three months he got a message to call the editor. During his telephone call, the editor told him "I don't want to see another *(& %^$* picture of a monkey unless it is in the jaws of a tiger"

I hope you enjoy this true story and think of it also when you are having a dry spell shooting the subject you desire.

lagereek · « **Reply #51 on:** May 01, 2011, 00:06 »

True! I also had a bit of a nasty wit Nat-Geo, back in the 90s, filmdays, I did some work with an agency called Magnum and Nat-geo, wanted a lot of Industry-pollution, reportages, etc. I spent 1 month in South-America for them.

Well, time to invoice, I was told that, here, its an honor to work and one seldom discuss any money at all. Since you cant survive on honors, needless to say I stayed well away from them in future, Im skinny as it was.

microstockphoto.co.uk · « **Reply #52 on:** May 01, 2011, 01:25 »

Quote from: bunhill on April 30, 2011, 15:32

That typically indy style is very hip and commercial.

True. And I like it.

I wonder if regular agencies are losing a lot of potential sales by not accepting that.

sharpshot · « **Reply #53 on:** May 01, 2011, 01:53 »

Quote from: lagereek on May 01, 2011, 00:06

..... I did some work with an agency called Magnum....

Wow, I think that's the most impressive thing I have seen anyone say here. Their list of photographers is amazing.

bunhill · « **Reply #54 on:** May 01, 2011, 03:46 »

Quote from: lagereek on May 01, 2011, 00:06

I did some work with an agency called Magnum

I did an internship in the London office. One of the most inspiring experiences of my life, with hindsight. Although I was rather too immature at the time to fully appreciate it. The office staff were as serious and interesting as the photographers, is one of the things which struck me btw. I think people often forget that sort of thing.

lagereek · « **Reply #55 on:** May 01, 2011, 03:51 »

Quote from: sharpshot on May 01, 2011, 01:53

Quote from: lagereek on May 01, 2011, 00:06
..... I did some work with an agency called Magnum....
Wow, I think that's the most impressive thing I have seen anyone say here. Their list of photographers is amazing.

Well I wasnt exactly one of Robert Capa originals but was contracted for industrial environmental work for them now and then. It was OK but as I said rendered very little revenues.

bunhill · « **Reply #56 on:** May 01, 2011, 03:56 »

Quote from: lagereek on May 01, 2011, 03:51

Well I wasnt exactly one of Frank Capras originals but did industrial environmental work for them now and then. It was OK but as I said rendered very little revenues.

Um I think you mean Robert Capa. Frank Capra was a film maker (A Wonderful Life etc)

lagereek · « **Reply #57 on:** May 01, 2011, 03:57 »

Quote from: bunhill on May 01, 2011, 03:56

Quote from: lagereek on May 01, 2011, 03:51
Well I wasnt exactly one of Frank Capras originals but did industrial environmental work for them now and then. It was OK but as I said rendered very little revenues.

Um I think you mean Robert Capa. Frank Capra was a film maker (A Wonderful Life etc)
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Ofcourse Robert Capa, changing it. btw, what a fantastic film that is, makes you feel good, one of my favorites.

ShadySue · « **Reply #58 on:** June 05, 2011, 16:29 »

Ha, reviving an old thread to point out a recent Lobo post.
Conversation on the targets announcement thread:
Posted By DebbiSmirnoff:
Please also note most contributors who voiced a negative opinion last time were merely banned so their voice could not be heard anymore
Posted by Lobo:
Wrong. People who couldn't conduct themselves with civility were banned. And that number was 7 over 3 weeks.
Huh, are these posts "uncivil"?
Posted by me ages ago:
Question on the Japanlypse thread:
"Who pays for the 'lypse'?
Me: "The participants pay for their air fare and hotel bills, we pay for the rest"
(These were deleted instantly and I got a warning)
Then a week or two later:
Question: "I've lost feature X: where has it gone?"
Me: "It's gone as an F4 'improvement'". (or F whatever that alleged 'improvement' was).
(It turned out that actually Sean had written a Greasemonkey script for that, which I didn't know; but honestly, were these answers "uncivil"?
Pots, kettles; glass houses, stones.

caspixel · « **Reply #59 on:** June 05, 2011, 17:17 »

Lobo claims only seven people were banned? In what world?

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #60 on:** June 05, 2011, 19:46 »

Lobo* just took out a post altogether that he locked a short while ago - if I were CEO of iStock by dcdp. There was nothing rude or defamatory, just a list of specific suggestions about how to do things differently. They clearly aren't going to permit discussions of that sort, no matter how polite.

* I know lobo locked the post as I read the short "lock it" post he made. I don't know that he deleted the post afterwards, only that the post is gone.

ShadySue · « **Reply #61 on:** June 05, 2011, 19:54 »

Quote from: jsnover on June 05, 2011, 19:46

Lobo* just took out a post altogether that he locked a short while ago - if I were CEO of iStock by dcdp. There was nothing rude or defamatory, just a list of specific suggestions about how to do things differently. They clearly aren't going to permit discussions of that sort, no matter how polite.

* I know lobo locked the post as I read the short "lock it" post he made. I don't know that he deleted the post afterwards, only that the post is gone.

Yup, I saw the post, saw the 'lock it' note, and now it's gone.

caspixel · « **Reply #62 on:** June 05, 2011, 21:24 »

Oh boy. It's really getting bad over there. Dystopian even.

Sheridan · « **Reply #63 on:** June 06, 2011, 00:15 »

Quote from: jsnover on June 05, 2011, 19:46

Lobo* just took out a post altogether that he locked a short while ago - if I were CEO of iStock by dcdp. There was nothing rude or defamatory, just a list of specific suggestions about how to do things differently. They clearly aren't going to permit discussions of that sort, no matter how polite.

* I know lobo locked the post as I read the short "lock it" post he made. I don't know that he deleted the post afterwards, only that the post is gone.

This from the Off Topic forum (Push for gold)
Posted By dcdp:

"If I were CEO of iStock, the first 5 things I would change would be ..."

Feel free to add your thoughts here

Posted by Lobo:
Sorry. I think you might want to hold off on starting any threads that are liable to just become an offshoot of the main thread. I get where you are coming from but at this point we are going to have to only have one thread going at a time.

dcdp · « **Reply #64 on:** June 06, 2011, 00:42 »

Quote from: Sheridan on June 06, 2011, 00:15

Quote from: jsnover on June 05, 2011, 19:46
Lobo* just took out a post altogether that he locked a short while ago - if I were CEO of iStock by dcdp. There was nothing rude or defamatory, just a list of specific suggestions about how to do things differently. They clearly aren't going to permit discussions of that sort, no matter how polite.

* I know lobo locked the post as I read the short "lock it" post he made. I don't know that he deleted the post afterwards, only that the post is gone.

This from the Off Topic forum (Push for gold)
Posted By dcdp:

"If I were CEO of iStock, the first 5 things I would change would be ..."

Feel free to add your thoughts here

Posted by Lobo:
Sorry. I think you might want to hold off on starting any threads that are liable to just become an offshoot of the main thread. I get where you are coming from but at this point we are going to have to only have one thread going at a time.

Yeah that was me. I chatted back and forth with Lobo about it and accept his reasonings for pulling the post. We may get it up again at a later stage, but for now he's told me he is canning it.

jamirae · « **Reply #65 on:** June 06, 2011, 11:27 »

Quote from: dcdp on June 06, 2011, 00:42

Quote from: Sheridan on June 06, 2011, 00:15
Quote from: jsnover on June 05, 2011, 19:46
Lobo* just took out a post altogether that he locked a short while ago - if I were CEO of iStock by dcdp. There was nothing rude or defamatory, just a list of specific suggestions about how to do things differently. They clearly aren't going to permit discussions of that sort, no matter how polite.

* I know lobo locked the post as I read the short "lock it" post he made. I don't know that he deleted the post afterwards, only that the post is gone.

This from the Off Topic forum (Push for gold)
Posted By dcdp:

"If I were CEO of iStock, the first 5 things I would change would be ..."

Feel free to add your thoughts here

Posted by Lobo:
Sorry. I think you might want to hold off on starting any threads that are liable to just become an offshoot of the main thread. I get where you are coming from but at this point we are going to have to only have one thread going at a time.

Yeah that was me. I chatted back and forth with Lobo about it and accept his reasonings for pulling the post. We may get it up again at a later stage, but for now he's told me he is canning it.

well if it was an "offshoot" why didn't you just repost it in the main thread since it sounds like he is saying that he just didnt want multiple threads on the same topic.

dcdp · « **Reply #66 on:** June 06, 2011, 22:44 »

Quote from: jamirae on June 06, 2011, 11:27

Quote from: dcdp on June 06, 2011, 00:42
Quote from: Sheridan on June 06, 2011, 00:15
Quote from: jsnover on June 05, 2011, 19:46
Lobo* just took out a post altogether that he locked a short while ago - if I were CEO of iStock by dcdp. There was nothing rude or defamatory, just a list of specific suggestions about how to do things differently. They clearly aren't going to permit discussions of that sort, no matter how polite.

* I know lobo locked the post as I read the short "lock it" post he made. I don't know that he deleted the post afterwards, only that the post is gone.

This from the Off Topic forum (Push for gold)
Posted By dcdp:

"If I were CEO of iStock, the first 5 things I would change would be ..."

Feel free to add your thoughts here

Posted by Lobo:
Sorry. I think you might want to hold off on starting any threads that are liable to just become an offshoot of the main thread. I get where you are coming from but at this point we are going to have to only have one thread going at a time.

Yeah that was me. I chatted back and forth with Lobo about it and accept his reasonings for pulling the post. We may get it up again at a later stage, but for now he's told me he is canning it.

well if it was an "offshoot" why didn't you just repost it in the main thread since it sounds like he is saying that he just didnt want multiple threads on the same topic.

It covered RCs (1 of the 5 things I would change if I was CEO) but also covered a bunch of other things like EL and Vetta/Agency Royalty %, Agency ring ins, V/A Filters, Dollar Bin - so literally wasn't on topic with the RC thread and was an off-shoot.

His argument was that the present "discussion" was strictly about RCs and if my thread stayed it be a chance for people who were already angry about that to start complaining about everything else. I wanted the discussion to be productive not another gripe session, Lobo didn't believe that was going to happen in the present environment.

caspixel · « **Reply #67 on:** June 07, 2011, 01:16 »

Quote from: dcdp on June 06, 2011, 22:44

His argument was that the present "discussion" was strictly about RCs and if my thread stayed it be a chance for people who were already angry about that to start complaining about everything else. I wanted the discussion to be productive not another gripe session, Lobo didn't believe that was going to happen in the present environment.

I wonder what exactly Lobo considers a "productive" discussion. Complaints get deleted. Suggestions get ignored. So that would just leave the Woo-yayers.

ShadySue · « **Reply #68 on:** June 07, 2011, 03:48 »

Quote from: dcdp on June 06, 2011, 22:44

I wanted the discussion to be productive not another gripe session, Lobo didn't believe that was going to happen in the present environment.

So we haven't just "sort of settled down".
Plus I guess he knows there aren't going to be any concessions which might benefit contributors, so what would be the point of discussing it?

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