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I hope they have managed to get all these sales from IS and Getty rather than somewhere that paid a better percent. If there isn't something equivalent for exclusives coming along that is a tough blow.

From what one reads, the sums we are now getting on PP would not be considered very good by exclusives, it's just that expectations are so low among indes. What this has done for me this month is compensate for the loss in earnings from the commission cuts a few months back, putting me back where I was. But the total is still significantly below what I was getting a few years ago.  I'm going to end up 10-35% below the same month last year and 20-30% below October 2011, so while it's better than a boot in the face it isn't really something to be deliriously happy about.

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Quote from: cobalt on November 14, 2013, 11:21

I know the rate schedule, but nowhere does it say anything about the size of the to be expected 360 downloads. And everyone in the PP thread is wondering about the unusually higher royalties, I understood Lobo that these sales were from 360.

Why should they be higher? We cannot see the prices that the customers pay. I would�t mind if they are higher, but it all seems very confusing.

They should be higher or lower probably not exactly the same numbers like $24.02, $3.96, $39.84.  You would expect numbers that don't exactly match the ones on PP rate schedule like the ones that happened last month.  If those were Getty 360 sales the buyer would have paid $160.13, $26.40, and $265.60.

got a 39.84$ on October 22

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on November 14, 2013, 11:24

Quote from: pancaketom on November 14, 2013, 11:02

I hope they have managed to get all these sales from IS and Getty rather than somewhere that paid a better percent. If there isn't something equivalent for exclusives coming along that is a tough blow.

From what one reads, the sums we are now getting on PP would not be considered very good by exclusives, it's just that expectations are so low among indes. What this has done for me this month is compensate for the loss in earnings from the commission cuts a few months back, putting me back where I was. But the total is still significantly below what I was getting a few years ago.  I'm going to end up 10-35% below the same month last year and 20-30% below October 2011, so while it's better than a boot in the face it isn't really something to be deliriously happy about.

Yep, 50% or 250% up is not very much.  PP RPD is 5-10% of my regular iStock sales.  We also get GI sales which have an RPD of 15-30x more than the PP.

I guess I was saying that if the indy take is doubling (to put it in longer term perspective up to a small drop instead of a colossal drop) and the exclusive take isn't then it represents shifting sales from somewhere to indy sales. It is worth remembering on a regular basis how hard indies are screwed by IS. 

I am quite curious where these sales are coming from - are they transferred from previous Getty customers, other microstock sites (I would think there would have been a more dramatic drop elsewhere), new customers, previous IS customers. It is odd that it seems to have basically started Oct 1.

Something doesn't add up for me in all this.

My 'PP sales' are on target to be almost double my royalties from Istock last month or roughly equivalent to my earnings from DT and FT combined. Where has all this 'new business' come from almost overnight?

The sales from which these PP royalties are derived must be in the tens of millions of dollars (annually it could be the equivalent of a new agency with $100M in sales revenue). How is it possible that the market for our work has apparently grown so much so quickly? It is not as if anyone is reporting an equivalent fall in their earnings elsewhere.

Could this be an error or could it be that historic under-reporting has been discovered and is now being corrected? If so why would these new sales be so evenly distributed throughout the month? It is all very strange.

Well, I really don't know, but in previous months tey were pushing very hard TS in the Getty's main page (don't ask me way they want to re-directed getty well paying customers to TS...)

I know the rate schedule, but nowhere does it say anything about the size of the to be expected 360 downloads. And everyone in the PP thread is wondering about the unusually higher royalties, I understood Lobo that these sales were from 360.

Why should they be higher? We cannot see the prices that the customers pay. I would�t mind if they are higher, but it all seems very confusing.

All I can say is that I got $50, which as my rate was 20% means the buyer paid $250 for a file they could have got at S rate on iS.

Something doesn't add up for me in all this.

My 'PP sales' are on target to be almost double my royalties from Istock last month or roughly equivalent to my earnings from DT and FT combined. Where has all this 'new business' come from almost overnight?

The sales from which these PP royalties are derived must be in the tens of millions of dollars (annually it could be the equivalent of a new agency with $100M in sales revenue). How is it possible that the market for our work has apparently grown so much so quickly? It is not as if anyone is reporting an equivalent fall in their earnings elsewhere.

Could this be an error or could it be that historic under-reporting has been discovered and is now being corrected? If so why would these new sales be so evenly distributed throughout the month? It is all very strange.

I wonder where my 2 sales for 40 dollar fit in. I do think you have a point, but my sales are quite unexplainable.

I am no longer familiar with the subtleties of istock communication. Anyway, I am happy to see money coming in, but like others I am curious about what really happened. If they signed on some new companies, they must have signed up several extralarge cooperations. What is being reported here is a huge increase in sales.

What about the exclusives that still have files in the pp. What are they saying?

My PP earnings almost equal my iStock earnings for October...typically they are maybe 15-20% of my earnings. Is this in error? I hope not, but we've all seen iStock take money back before

Quote from: dingles on November 14, 2013, 14:27

My PP earnings almost equal my iStock earnings for October...typically they are maybe 15-20% of my earnings. Is this in error? I hope not, but we've all seen iStock take money back before

When did Istock take money back ?

After credit card frauds over Chrismas, was one instance.

Seeing all of these oh yeah numbers for non-exclusives makes me feel left out.

JJ, the non-exclusive jump is a difficult one to make. Seven months in and I am still a ways from making what I did as an exclusive. And when you add up that consistent monthly shortfall, it is a lot. If/when I begin making more as a non-ex, it will take significant time to cover that loss and consider the move a net positive financially. (There are of course peace of mind and other aspects that contribute to a broader "bottom line".) Don't give up exclusivity lightly if earning money is a key reason you sell stock!

Now, that said, HOLY CRAP! Partner Program is blowing up and thank goodness for that. In October, PP swamped what I made everywhere else, including iStock proper as a non-exclusive. October was my BME as a non-exclusive, and only 30% below my best month as an IS exclusive this year.

As a non-exclusive, PP has been welcome and valuable to my overall monthly income. I hope Getty is on to something (oh, not that word)... reliable. I would love to see this stream of income in the PP continue it's solid trend.

Its my RPD. I have the same amount of sales as September, but still less than May Juny Juy August. I had an RPD of about 0.30$ on PP, this month it's 5.22$. I have a decrease of volume of 50% but an increase of RPD of 1700% lol Factor 34