Author Topic: Resuming uploads to istock (Read 36631 times)

helix7 · « **Reply #50 on:** June 03, 2011, 10:01 »

Quote from: vlad_the_imp on June 03, 2011, 03:12

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But they at least have a clue when it comes to offering modern file formats and not sticking with the same old antiquated EPS8 standard

I'm not sure why offering Illustrator 10 files rather than 8 makes much difference. Anyone with any real knowledge of Illustrator can pretty much replicate the few extra features that 10 has over 8. It's not the version of the software that's important, it's what you can do as an artist. Creativity and good ideas are far more important than whether an image is produced on an out of date format or a fractionally less out of date one.

That's always what people who are limited to eps8 say.

Search "eps10" at Shutterstock and tell me you can do all of those effects in eps8. Or if you can, that it's at all worth the time and effort to painstakingly recreate transparency effects in flattened form. Even in cases where it's possible, it can take hours to convert a complex eps10 file to eps8 compatibility.

If it's so easy to do, why don't we see more of the images at SS showing up in eps8 format at istock?

nruboc · « **Reply #51 on:** June 03, 2011, 10:59 »

Quote from: lagereek on June 03, 2011, 03:34

Respect??? No, in fact its stupid not to upload, really. Never put personal before business. I just havent got the time anymore, my shots are very nieched and you have to go back, two, three times, chase releases and everything, too much work for the shots to just hang-in there, way back in search.

Thats my reason for not uploading. To ride on some personal issue, is not very clever.

Yes, respect, did I stutter? I'm happy for you and your "nieched" shots...lol

cthoman · « **Reply #52 on:** June 03, 2011, 11:23 »

Quote from: vlad_the_imp on June 03, 2011, 03:12

I'm not sure why offering Illustrator 10 files rather than 8 makes much difference. Anyone with any real knowledge of Illustrator can pretty much replicate the few extra features that 10 has over 8. It's not the version of the software that's important, it's what you can do as an artist. Creativity and good ideas are far more important than whether an image is produced on an out of date format or a fractionally less out of date one.

Yeah, you can fake those transparency effects, but it doesn't have the same editability. That said, eps 10 didn't really affect me at all, so I can't say it was a big advantage for my portfolio. I can see where it would be great for others though.

cthoman · « **Reply #53 on:** June 03, 2011, 11:25 »

Quote from: cclapper on June 03, 2011, 07:16

Well, since you have been around since the "good old days", I guess you actually know what might be good for me and my business. NOT! I don't appreciate your calling me stupid or trivializing my decision down to "personal" or "emotional" or whatever other belittling word you choose to use.

Fact is, istock took money away from me. Sales are ever dwindling, not just for me, but for MOST everyone. I chose not to participate there anymore and decided to focus my efforts in other areas. And in fact it has proven to have been a good choice because other sites have more than taken up the slack for my loss of sales, not to mention other photography jobs I have taken. Not to mention getting rid of the whole istock drama out of my life.

One week you are slamming istock too. The next week, your sales take a turn for the better, and suddenly everyone else is stupid.

I tend to agree. You have to go out and try to shape the market to what you want it to be. That's been more of my goal this year. It's a longer road, but I'm starting to see signs as well that it might be worth the sacrifice and effort.

WarrenPrice · « **Reply #54 on:** June 03, 2011, 11:56 »

The path of least resistance seems to work well for me.
"Follow the Yellow Brick Road."

helix7 · « **Reply #55 on:** June 03, 2011, 12:10 »

Quote from: cthoman on June 03, 2011, 11:23

Yeah, you can fake those transparency effects, but it doesn't have the same editability. That said, eps 10 didn't really affect me at all, so I can't say it was a big advantage for my portfolio. I can see where it would be great for others though.

I'd even argue that some EPS10 transparency effects can't be faked at all in EPS8, at least not without tons of work. Images like this one would be extremely difficult to fake in EPS8. And even if it were done, like you said editability would be an issue.

For many folks, depending on their style of illustration, EPS8 isn't an issue. Even for me, it's mostly not a problem. But EPS10 does open up lots of possibilities that EPS8 doesn't allow, and it's having a noticeable impact on the collections that do allow EPS10. istock is getting left behind on this one.

Black Sheep · « **Reply #56 on:** June 03, 2011, 12:42 »

Quote from: cclapper on June 03, 2011, 07:16

Fact is, istock took money away from me. Sales are ever dwindling, not just for me, but for MOST everyone. I chose not to participate there anymore and decided to focus my efforts in other areas. And in fact it has proven to have been a good choice because other sites have more than taken up the slack for my loss of sales, not to mention other photography jobs I have taken. Not to mention getting rid of the whole istock drama out of my life.

sales are falling simply because of oversupply and there's no way to stop it at the moment unless they take draconian measures and sort the crap out.
even Tony Stone realized this and sold his business to Getty many years ago.

another problem is the so called long tail, there are simply too many similars, too much keyword spam, too many photos online.
it's unsustainable and it can only get worse over time, no wonder people complain that they're losing money despite adding new
material every month.

on the other hand agencies are quite happy about oversupply and see no reason to "fix" the problem, it's out problem, not theirs, if they could they would willingly host a billion pictures online and who cares if contributors are starving or if they need 10.000 photos just to make a couple downloads a day.

Norebbo · « **Reply #57 on:** June 05, 2011, 12:52 »

Quote from: Allsa on June 02, 2011, 10:44

They insist that every pixel be perfect, and in return I am rewarded with ever lower royalties and a continual decline in earnings.

That's my biggest beef with IS. The fact that they require my images to be technically *perfect* for only 16% royalty is nothing but a slap across the face. I admit that I uploaded a few images there about a week ago (for the first time in over 9 months) - but I've since changed my mind and I am continuing my boycott.

lagereek · « **Reply #58 on:** June 05, 2011, 15:47 »

Quote from: nruboc on June 03, 2011, 10:59

Quote from: lagereek on June 03, 2011, 03:34
Respect??? No, in fact its stupid not to upload, really. Never put personal before business. I just havent got the time anymore, my shots are very nieched and you have to go back, two, three times, chase releases and everything, too much work for the shots to just hang-in there, way back in search.

Thats my reason for not uploading. To ride on some personal issue, is not very clever.

Yes, respect, did I stutter? I'm happy for you and your "nieched" shots...lol

Thanks pal! now go pop a valium or something and dont get your knickers in a twist, doesnt suit you.

lagereek · « **Reply #59 on:** June 05, 2011, 15:52 »

Quote from: cclapper on June 03, 2011, 07:16

Quote from: lagereek on June 03, 2011, 03:34
Respect??? No, in fact its stupid not to upload, really. Never put personal before business. I just havent got the time anymore, my shots are very nieched and you have to go back, two, three times, chase releases and everything, too much work for the shots to just hang-in there, way back in search.

Thats my reason for not uploading. To ride on some personal issue, is not very clever.

Well, since you have been around since the "good old days", I guess you actually know what might be good for me and my business. NOT! I don't appreciate your calling me stupid or trivializing my decision down to "personal" or "emotional" or whatever other belittling word you choose to use.

Fact is, istock took money away from me. Sales are ever dwindling, not just for me, but for MOST everyone. I chose not to participate there anymore and decided to focus my efforts in other areas. And in fact it has proven to have been a good choice because other sites have more than taken up the slack for my loss of sales, not to mention other photography jobs I have taken. Not to mention getting rid of the whole istock drama out of my life.

One week you are slamming istock too. The next week, your sales take a turn for the better, and suddenly everyone else is stupid.

The good old days, thats a song you know, early Frank Sinatra. Good hey?

nruboc · « **Reply #60 on:** June 05, 2011, 15:53 »

Quote from: lagereek on June 05, 2011, 15:47

Quote from: nruboc on June 03, 2011, 10:59
Quote from: lagereek on June 03, 2011, 03:34
Respect??? No, in fact its stupid not to upload, really. Never put personal before business. I just havent got the time anymore, my shots are very nieched and you have to go back, two, three times, chase releases and everything, too much work for the shots to just hang-in there, way back in search.

Thats my reason for not uploading. To ride on some personal issue, is not very clever.

Yes, respect, did I stutter? I'm happy for you and your "nieched" shots...lol

Thanks pal! now go pop a valium or something and dont get your knickers in a twist, doesnt suit you.

Are you upset? Just complimenting you're "nieched" shots..lol

lagereek · « **Reply #61 on:** June 05, 2011, 16:04 »

Quote from: nruboc on June 05, 2011, 15:53

Quote from: lagereek on June 05, 2011, 15:47
Quote from: nruboc on June 03, 2011, 10:59
Quote from: lagereek on June 03, 2011, 03:34
Respect??? No, in fact its stupid not to upload, really. Never put personal before business. I just havent got the time anymore, my shots are very nieched and you have to go back, two, three times, chase releases and everything, too much work for the shots to just hang-in there, way back in search.

Thats my reason for not uploading. To ride on some personal issue, is not very clever.

Yes, respect, did I stutter? I'm happy for you and your "nieched" shots...lol

Thanks pal! now go pop a valium or something and dont get your knickers in a twist, doesnt suit you.

Are you upset? Just complimenting you're "nieched" shots..lol

Nah, youre not big enough to do that, youre a generalist. Sorry.

ShadySue · « **Reply #62 on:** June 05, 2011, 16:12 »

Quote from: lagereek on June 05, 2011, 15:52

The good old days, thats a song you know, early Frank Sinatra. Good hey?

Have you got a reference for that? It's not in his discography.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #63 on:** June 05, 2011, 17:05 »

only a few months ago I started to understand gostwyck opinions, comments and I have always had the idea that he was "harsh" on words but I have seen a big change on his caracter or perhaps I am understanding more.. THIS to tell that he is soft comparing to lagereek, I am wondering if you have been punished on your childhood or if you have a lot of bad days.. I am tired of your arrogance always full of yourself like you are the second yuri arcurs but no generalist world but a nieche photog.. sorry to tell you this but I cannot continue on this forum without saying what goes in my mind, again from a kid with 27 years old and a cheap camera, be more humble

nruboc · « **Reply #64 on:** June 05, 2011, 19:29 »

Quote from: lagereek on June 05, 2011, 16:04

Quote from: nruboc on June 05, 2011, 15:53
Quote from: lagereek on June 05, 2011, 15:47
Quote from: nruboc on June 03, 2011, 10:59
Quote from: lagereek on June 03, 2011, 03:34
Respect??? No, in fact its stupid not to upload, really. Never put personal before business. I just havent got the time anymore, my shots are very nieched and you have to go back, two, three times, chase releases and everything, too much work for the shots to just hang-in there, way back in search.

Thats my reason for not uploading. To ride on some personal issue, is not very clever.

Yes, respect, did I stutter? I'm happy for you and your "nieched" shots...lol

Thanks pal! now go pop a valium or something and dont get your knickers in a twist, doesnt suit you.

Are you upset? Just complimenting you're "nieched" shots..lol

Nah, youre not big enough to do that, youre a generalist. Sorry.

I know, I know maybe I should try to be more "nieched" like you. You're my new idol.

Black Sheep · « **Reply #65 on:** June 05, 2011, 21:36 »

surrender yourself to the sad fact that nowadays anyone can do microstock and the supply greatly exceeds demand.

i'm more and more interested in fine-art and art galleries, after all i've always been a creative and not much cut for cheesy microstock-like studio and business shoots.

nothing against studio shoots but if today this means getting paid 1$ per download we must realize this sort of photography is simply going down the drain and it's getting worse and worse.

clients complain about rising prices, photographers about miserable 15% royalties, let's face it this is a dying business unless you can produce industrial quantities of images per year just to stay afloat.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #66 on:** June 05, 2011, 22:09 »

the issue here is putting down people who does studio, people, lifestyle, business, food, whatever.. the pictures make the photographer, not exactly the subject you are approaching.. and nobody as the right to tell that it is better/worst/easier whatever, there are tons of subjects and everybody does what they like and what works in their way of looking at stock, sales etc etc..

if you have the chance to shoot oil rigs and shooting up on the sky on helicopter, man thats cool but that doesn´t make you better than other, the pictures yes can make you better but that´s another thing and I do appreciate looking at gorgeous pictures, I am sure I will do them sometime!

some people are more humble, other are more the kind of show off.. but hell there is place for another Yuri but I am not interested, that doesnt mean I don´t have the respect for his work or other, I do and wish you all guys a lot of luck and work too, just be cool and you will get a lot more "fans"

PaulieWalnuts · « **Reply #67 on:** June 05, 2011, 22:12 »

Quote from: lagereek on June 05, 2011, 16:04

Nah, youre not big enough to do that, youre a generalist. Sorry.

Cool story bro!

lagereek · « **Reply #68 on:** June 06, 2011, 00:52 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on June 05, 2011, 17:05

only a few months ago I started to understand gostwyck opinions, comments and I have always had the idea that he was "harsh" on words but I have seen a big change on his caracter or perhaps I am understanding more.. THIS to tell that he is soft comparing to lagereek, I am wondering if you have been punished on your childhood or if you have a lot of bad days.. I am tired of your arrogance always full of yourself like you are the second yuri arcurs but no generalist world but a nieche photog.. sorry to tell you this but I cannot continue on this forum without saying what goes in my mind, again from a kid with 27 years old and a cheap camera, be more humble

You must have some sort of Yuri complex ?? youre alway stating and comparing everything to him, you even questioned in a thread why he wasnt engaging in P+. Leave the guy alone. As for understanding me? dont bother, just ease down a bit.
Im half british, spent 25 years in London, still go there about 10 times a year, our humor is famous for sarcasm but in the best of spirits. You pay too much attention to verbals.

Now, just want to tell you that as a mini-Yuri, I have just graduated from an Instamtic to a new Holga camera, with a digital Phaseone back, the Holga-back with 65MP. So my gear isnt all that pretencious, is it.

Im a nice guy actually, just ask the Swedenborgian society.

Noodles · « **Reply #69 on:** June 06, 2011, 03:09 »

Quote from: lagereek on June 06, 2011, 00:52

Now, just want to tell you that as a mini-Yuri, I have just graduated from an Instamtic to a new Holga camera, with a digital Phaseone back, the Holga-back with 65MP. So my gear isnt all that pretencious, is it.

Was the Phase One back made to fit or did you have to adapt it? I love Holga imagery but I'm not so sure I could ever justify buying a Phase One back for it - Nik filters do a fine job for me! :)

sharpshot · « **Reply #70 on:** June 06, 2011, 03:35 »

Quote from: lagereek on June 06, 2011, 00:52

...Im half british, spent 25 years in London, still go there about 10 times a year, our humor is famous for sarcasm but in the best of spirits. You pay too much attention to verbals...

I'm 100% British and have a really sarcastic sense of humour but I sometimes struggle with it in forums. I think it works much better in real life, when you can tell when someone is having a laugh much easier than you can with written words. And there's lots of people here that seem to take every word literally, even with liberal use of

Perhaps we should use (SARCASM) brackets?

bunhill · « **Reply #71 on:** June 06, 2011, 03:49 »

People often confuse sarcasm and irony. English humour is certainly often about irony. Sarcasm is almost invariably deliberately caustic.

Black Sheep · « **Reply #72 on:** June 06, 2011, 04:28 »

Quote from: sharpshot on June 06, 2011, 03:35

Perhaps we should use (SARCASM) brackets?

i've the same issue with the yanks...

lagereek · « **Reply #73 on:** June 06, 2011, 04:37 »

Quote from: sharpshot on June 06, 2011, 03:35

Quote from: lagereek on June 06, 2011, 00:52
...Im half british, spent 25 years in London, still go there about 10 times a year, our humor is famous for sarcasm but in the best of spirits. You pay too much attention to verbals...
I'm 100% British and have a really sarcastic sense of humour but I sometimes struggle with it in forums. I think it works much better in real life, when you can tell when someone is having a laugh much easier than you can with written words. And there's lots of people here that seem to take every word literally, even with liberal use of

Perhaps we should use (SARCASM) brackets?

Youre dead right! very, very few understand this kind of humor outside the British domains and can easily take offence. Mind you I much rather prefer that then the almost naive and rather silly American humor or should I say lack of humor.

Slovenian · « **Reply #74 on:** June 06, 2011, 04:54 »

Quote from: Black Sheep on June 06, 2011, 04:28

Quote from: sharpshot on June 06, 2011, 03:35
Perhaps we should use (SARCASM) brackets?

i've the same issue with the yanks...

Me too. A great example that illustrates the difference is Top Gear (TV show) and Top Gear US. The latter is just so "watered down", boring, dull, just because they're are a nation so trembling of potential lawsuits. So much political correctness, that it makes you sick. And so sensitive. That is offensive! You hurt my feelings! LOL! Top Gear wouldn't be what it is without the sarcasm, without being offensive and edgy. Do you imagine the presenter in any US show calling someone an idiot directly in his face for not agreeing with him (it was meant as a joke and it was taken as such). Do you imagine calling it what it is and even exaggerating? For instance saying it's an appallingly looking car, total rubbish. And at the end of the show they do get sometimes lawsuit threats, but of course nobody files them, because GB (and Europe) truly has a freedom of speech and tolerance (the tolerance for someone being a bit intolerant if it's meant as a joke).

I use sarcasm a lot, I'm being offensive (in a top gear style, so anyone intelligent enough and not overly sensible get it and laughs at it) and str8 to the point. Not here though (or rarely), because I know that I'll be attacked by a few yanks immediately and it's just not worth it. Just a couple of days ago someone attacked me for being idiotic and offensive to Lisa, because the mentally deficient individual couldn't get what I wrote and it wasn't even sarcastic. They're so burdened with political correctness, that they come out with new words for minorities living in the US almost every year. One year a black man is OK to use, the other it's (almost) not acceptable, because they thought of a new one, African-American (it's certainly not new anymore).

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