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ShadySue

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« Reply #150 on: September 18, 2010, 11:46 »
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Sue, it may not set them worrying, but are you really concerned with their worrying at this point?  It sounds like you are still expecting them to about-face on this.  They are too deeply invested in their new strategy, and they wouldn't have started in on it so drastically if they weren't flat out required to do so.

Anyone who is hoping that anything they do is going to change iStock's mind is missing the point.  This isn't about changing minds anymore, this is about who you feel comfortable doing business with.

Don't be the battered spouse who stays.
I am absolutely not expecting an about-face. They wouldn't have had the coders make the 'redeemed credits' visible if it weren't already a 'done deal'.
I got a very surprising email from Support a few weeks ago in reply to a question I asked, and it confirmed my plan moving on, which is to focus on Editorial/RM at Alamy for the moment, improve my skills, then look for specialist libraries. That is the path I intend to follow until/unless I can see a benefit in doing something else.
I already handed in my notice at the day job because I couldn't stand my boss's BS. Of course, I was never going to be a 'full-time iStocker' without models etc, but I'm still banking on that income stream as a big help while I figure out what to do next.
I'm not hearing such fantastic things about the other micros from people who were/are independent as to think my personal grass would be greener on the other micros. YMMV - I realise that you have recent experience of being independent, but our genres are vastly different, which is fine.
« Last Edit: September 18, 2010, 11:56 by ShadySue »


« Reply #151 on: September 18, 2010, 12:06 »
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^  I can see you'd need to build up the income elsewhere, yes.

But in that case, why not just leave your portfolio on iStock until you're ready to go?  Deactivating bit by bit just seems like unnecessary work, as you have to do it one at a time.  Surely you'd do better to spend the time uploading elsewhere?
I'm not going to spend much time, I just want to do more now.  I will probably leave a tiny portfolio there in the end, with a link in my profile to my website with the sites that have my portfolio.

« Reply #152 on: September 18, 2010, 13:09 »
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^  Fair enough, I was just interested.

I think if I come to the same point then after cancelling exclusivity I would just leave my portfolio on iStock and concentrate on the other agencies, but everyone to their own.  I'd only deactivate if I wanted to set image exclusivity elsewhere.

@dgilder:  It's not complacency.  I don't get this "battered spouse" analogy.  It's business.  They pay me money.  If it's enough, I stay.  If I feel I can get more elsewhere, I do that. 

Up to now, I've always felt it suited me to be with iStock as an exclusive, but I've always known that could change.

« Reply #153 on: September 18, 2010, 13:43 »
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They are too deeply invested in their new strategy, and they wouldn't have started in on it so drastically if they weren't flat out required to do so.

Anyone who is hoping that anything they do is going to change iStock's mind is missing the point.  

This isn't about changing minds anymore, this is about who you feel comfortable doing business with.

Don't be the battered spouse who stays.

I completely agree, expecting someone to not punch you in the face, when they have already punched you time after time is nothing more than a form of denial.

You need to be able to see reality clearly if you wish to make wise choices in the future.  We can expect more of the same from istock/getty.  Take a look at getty's history, they are just repeating that history again with istock. Then add in the acquisition equation and it gets even uglier.
« Last Edit: September 18, 2010, 13:47 by gbalex »

« Reply #154 on: September 18, 2010, 16:49 »
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^  Fair enough, I was just interested.

@dgilder:  It's not complacency.  I don't get this "battered spouse" analogy.  It's business.  They pay me money.  If it's enough, I stay.  If I feel I can get more elsewhere, I do that.  

So you are just an other employe in the whorehouse ? How much to..... ?

Sorry for the slezy analogy, but I really can't se the difference. They abused their contributers badly, and just just let them continue to do so for money?

Have you contemplated applying for at position at the IS management - I belive you got the right kind of attitude....
« Last Edit: September 18, 2010, 16:52 by Nordlys »

« Reply #155 on: September 18, 2010, 16:54 »
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I don't get this "battered spouse" analogy.


Don't worry, it will sink in, probably in January, then I predict at least once sometime mid-year, and again the following January when all the hard work you put in to stand till on iStock turns out to be for nothing when the targets are raised to keep X number of contributors at their proper royalty percentage.

Each time you will probably say 'Wow, I wasn't expecting that, it came out of nowhere', but it will still be easier to stick with them, too difficult or life changing to move on.  That is called Learned Helplessnes.

If the slashing of independents' and your own royalties isn't enough of a jolt to induce you to change, then you are already helpless.

« Reply #156 on: September 18, 2010, 17:20 »
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No.  I've never had any problem moving on.

iStock just host my images, sell them, and give me a royalty.  That's all.  Don't make it out to be anything more.

And they haven't slashed my royalty.  Yet.  I keep an eye on it every month, and as you say, from January onwards I'll certainly be doing so... 

« Reply #157 on: September 18, 2010, 17:29 »
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I just canceled my exclusive contract with iStock.  I'm now in the 30 day waiting period.  I opted to not wait until January because:

 + I don't see myself hitting the "diamond" level by then, and even if I do, it would be a short lived 40% royalty before I drop to 25% on both my photos and vectors (split portfolio is a killer under the new rules)
 + I wanted to get a start on building my portfolios on other sites before the change takes effect and, as an independent, the royalty goes even lower - I dont have much holiday images and November/December always are down for me at iStock
 + with the new Agency Collection going online soon, and only 5 "Vetta" images I feel that even as an exclusive my photos will be buried deeper in search results soon

those are my personal reasons, aside from the fact that I've lost all respect and trust in iStock - and it started with the proposed canister changes and has gone downhill since, even with their "grandfather clause" on that fiasco (and now canisters don't really mean anything - nor does the 'crown' if you read the latest monster thread at iStock).

« Reply #158 on: September 18, 2010, 17:54 »
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^  Fair enough, I was just interested.

@dgilder:  It's not complacency.  I don't get this "battered spouse" analogy.  It's business.  They pay me money.  If it's enough, I stay.  If I feel I can get more elsewhere, I do that.  

So you are just an other employe in the whorehouse ? How much to..... ?

Sorry for the slezy analogy, but I really can't se the difference. They abused their contributers badly, and just just let them continue to do so for money?

Have you contemplated applying for at position at the IS management - I belive you got the right kind of attitude....

Absolutely.  I've always felt it better to work in one whorehouse than 10.  How about you?

« Reply #159 on: September 18, 2010, 19:10 »
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Hi Jamirae, :)
I think I know how you must be feeling.
A bit lost, perhaps disappointed and worried.
Don't worry, you've got nothing to fear!
Forget about all the things you've been told at IStock - the other sites are crap, their collections are crap, their sales are subscriptions only, inspectors on the other sites know nothing about microstock photography, they treat you like dirt and they're basically whorehouses (see post above me).
That is absolutely not true!
I'm not saying they're perfect (no agency truly is) but they're reliable, solid and fair.
A lot more so than IStock is today.
Do not, under no circumstances, avoid Shutterstock just because of the things you've been told, or because of the fear of the 0.25 cent downloads.
The 0,25 cent level doesn't last long (you'll be on a higher and higher level in NO time at all) and there's a lot more to SS than just subscription sales. Don't forget about ODs and ELs. They're all yours for the taken. Sales at Shutterstock never stop, just keep on coming, on and on, old and new alike.
SS forums are buzzing with activity, vivacious and friendly, upload system is a breeze, inspections are consistent and fast, payouts are automated. No need for crappy tickets requests a la IStock.   
I checked your port a moment ago (forgive me for being nosy), and it's beautiful, congratulations!
You'll have absolutely no problem getting accepted at SS, (or at any other site for the matter).
Start with Shutterstock, Fotolia and Dreamstime and go down the list whenever you feel like giving them a chance too. Some are definitely worth your while. 
It is possible that your earnings will head down initially, but don't worry, this won't last!
Not at all!
With a port like yours you'll make more money than ever, in a very short time, with a lot less stress, no drama and, most importantly, you'll be free !
Priceless :)
Enjoy !

« Reply #160 on: September 18, 2010, 19:57 »
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Hi Jamirae, :)
I think I know how you must be feeling.
A bit lost, perhaps disappointed and worried.
Don't worry, you've got nothing to fear!
Forget about all the things you've been told at IStock - the other sites are crap, their collections are crap, their sales are subscriptions only, inspectors on the other sites know nothing about microstock photography, they treat you like dirt and they're basically whorehouses (see post above me).
That is absolutely not true!
I'm not saying they're perfect (no agency truly is) but they're reliable, solid and fair.
A lot more so than IStock is today.
Do not, under no circumstances, avoid Shutterstock just because of the things you've been told, or because of the fear of the 0.25 cent downloads.
The 0,25 cent level doesn't last long (you'll be on a higher and higher level in NO time at all) and there's a lot more to SS than just subscription sales. Don't forget about ODs and ELs. They're all yours for the taken. Sales at Shutterstock never stop, just keep on coming, on and on, old and new alike.
SS forums are buzzing with activity, vivacious and friendly, upload system is a breeze, inspections are consistent and fast, payouts are automated. No need for crappy tickets requests a la IStock.   
I checked your port a moment ago (forgive me for being nosy), and it's beautiful, congratulations!
You'll have absolutely no problem getting accepted at SS, (or at any other site for the matter).
Start with Shutterstock, Fotolia and Dreamstime and go down the list whenever you feel like giving them a chance too. Some are definitely worth your while. 
It is possible that your earnings will head down initially, but don't worry, this won't last!
Not at all!
With a port like yours you'll make more money than ever, in a very short time, with a lot less stress, no drama and, most importantly, you'll be free !
Priceless :)
Enjoy !

thanks, Eireann.  I'm not worried and I don't think the other sites have crap or bad inspectors.  Just because I've been exclusive at istock doesnt mean I talk smack or believe that stuff about other stock sites.    :)  I appreciate the advice, though. 

I've already applied at shutterstock, dreamstime, fotolia and stockfresh.  I just need to wait on the 30 days before I can actually get images online for sale, but I'm actually excited to start this new adventure.  I appreciate your kind words about my work.   I know there are a lot of talented folks out there, so I just hope to compliment them so we can all bring sales for our work. 

« Reply #161 on: September 20, 2010, 16:51 »
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Good luck Jamirae.  I think you will enjoy the independence, and I will be joining you shortly.  By all means contribute to Dreamstime.  Solid agency, good people.  I was a big fan of Shutterstock too back in my indie days.

« Reply #162 on: September 20, 2010, 21:00 »
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^ Surely, if you intend to remove it anyway, you can just tell iStock to cancel your account.

Why do all the work of deactivating files individually?
I can't afford to lose all my istock income in one go or I would of gone before now.  Will have to take a slow exit, building up my earnings on other sites.
Of course!

Every of us need to try to redirect customers to sites where we can get more money for our work... That will be slow process but useful...
Right. IS has gradually made it clear that they do not want me as a submitter, and I am departing gradually. I have removed the links to IS from my website (from which I have gotten 34 paid referrals to IS)

I have deactivated a few images, and I intend to remove more gradually. It's too late for me to stop submitting altogether, because I already did that a few months ago.

« Reply #163 on: September 20, 2010, 22:44 »
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microstock is fueled by hobby shooters .. there will be no leaders .. no unions .. no petitions .. everybody will take what they get and just complain about it .. but take it none the less. Those who want to stand up against iStock and the potential threat of continuing to lower the value of the photographic artform .. delete your account .. one less place to upload. Words dont mean a pile a S&%T .. put forth action or get back in line like a good little cow.

« Reply #164 on: September 21, 2010, 02:03 »
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^^^The fact remains that a lot of us need our income from istock to do important things like buy food and pay the bills.  I would love to leave now but that's not an option, hopefully by the time the commission cut is implemented in January, that will be possible but it could take me longer than that.  If they hadn't closed StockXpert, it would be much easier, that has already reduced my earnings this year.  All I can do at the moment is stop uploading, start deleting and work harder with the other sites.

« Reply #165 on: September 21, 2010, 07:36 »
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An old Volcanic (Star trek)  proverb says : If you do not know what to do ,you can always do one thing ! Do nothing....
Time will make prevail...

So my plan is not a cut, we have 3 months more to see what will be... I will trying to send more and more customers on sites where I am satisfied with my piece of cake...

« Reply #166 on: September 21, 2010, 11:22 »
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Quit!

I'll keep taking the dollars off IS till they stop coming - hungry mouth's to feed and bills to pay. Micro has been delaying the inevitable for me. After 15 years, through increased competition with digitial cameras, agency deals with newspapers and slashed commissions across the board, it's time to go.

Many factors are part of it, basically banging a grey head against a brick wall for too long. My macro and micro income will be a bonus to  a regular pay check. Overheads are down to the bone, production is up, but children are getting older and prices rising to fast to keep my head above water. I had an induction at a factory today, where I may be the the only man with a degree lifting boxes for 72 hours a week. Actually, I probably won't be the only one.

All I ever wanted was a simple life, but I'm hurting at the moment. I'll keep dropping in here for some sagely comments or two, but my enthusian for the industry has waned. Get what you can from the Micro's while they are here, nothing lasts forever.

Rgds - a beaten and humbled Oldhand

« Reply #167 on: September 21, 2010, 16:16 »
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An old Volcanic (Star trek)  proverb says : If you do not know what to do ,you can always do one thing ! Do nothing....
Time will make prevail...

So my plan is not a cut, we have 3 months more to see what will be... I will trying to send more and more customers on sites where I am satisfied with my piece of cake...
I like
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The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few
  In this case, we are the many contributors, if istock don't look after us, we should send in the Klingons :)

« Reply #168 on: September 21, 2010, 16:58 »
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This whole thing with IS is so disappointing and depressing :-[ I'll hang in there with them until the end of the year and also start transitioning away. They have always been my top earner so it will be sad to see them go.

Since my full time job shut down 7 months ago I've resisted going back to a 9-5 job, plus I'm one of those unemployable, over-experienced people now. So far I've been able to find enough freelance and part time work along with unemployment and microstock income to keep going. I guess I'll look at these IS changes as creating new opportunities elsewhere instead of closing doors.

« Reply #169 on: September 21, 2010, 19:37 »
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I'll keep taking the dollars off IS till they stop coming - hungry mouth's to feed and bills to pay. Micro has been delaying the inevitable for me. After 15 years, through increased competition with digitial cameras, agency deals with newspapers and slashed commissions across the board, it's time to go.

Many factors are part of it, basically banging a grey head against a brick wall for too long. My macro and micro income will be a bonus to  a regular pay check. Overheads are down to the bone, production is up, but children are getting older and prices rising to fast to keep my head above water. I had an induction at a factory today, where I may be the the only man with a degree lifting boxes for 72 hours a week. Actually, I probably won't be the only one.

All I ever wanted was a simple life, but I'm hurting at the moment. I'll keep dropping in here for some sagely comments or two, but my enthusian for the industry has waned. Get what you can from the Micro's while they are here, nothing lasts forever.

Rgds - a beaten and humbled Oldhand
A post like this deserves one big fat heart. The iStock debacle is a forebode of what is still to come. Technical requirements went up too much in microstock, too much fuzz with paperwork and upload procedures. Props and equipment became too expensive in comparison with yield. Let's not forget that DT went back from 50% tot  30% less than a year ago.

I stopped uploading at iStock months ago after they removed some of my best-sellers that had cars and cellphones, and after I mixed up releases of different days. I'm not going to lose time on wrting and tracking releases for every model on every shooting day any more. Make one mistake and you can lose half an extra day, make calls, pay taxis to find the model back and fill it in again. Not worth it for iStock alone, not for 15%. A catch-all release should do.

Quit? No way. If they ever change it will be very difficult to get back in again. By the oddities of the best match, my best sellers are totally different from those of other sites, so they don't compete. They also don't compete on the price level since although they earn less at iStock, the buyer has to pay more.

After January, I will keep around 100 of my best sellers on iStock in as far as they don't sell at other sites, and just cash in a few times per year from iStock. I won't promote them (their referral scheme always sucked anyways) and I stopped uploading (too cumbersome, especially for models). I don't hate them and I don't love them. I just moved on. I also won't waste time any more on these useless iStock threads when it's clear their decision was final even when they announced it.

« Reply #170 on: September 21, 2010, 20:28 »
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I'm thinking of trying RM on Alamy. I'm currently exclusive on istock and will probably stay that way for a while, while looking into other options. I work full time in a different industry so can take my time to look around.

« Reply #171 on: September 21, 2010, 20:32 »
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This whole thing with IS is so disappointing and depressing :-[ I'll hang in there with them until the end of the year and also start transitioning away. They have always been my top earner so it will be sad to see them go.

Since my full time job shut down 7 months ago I've resisted going back to a 9-5 job, plus I'm one of those unemployable, over-experienced people now. So far I've been able to find enough freelance and part time work along with unemployment and microstock income to keep going. I guess I'll look at these IS changes as creating new opportunities elsewhere instead of closing doors.

Ditto. I'm back in college...not that a degree is going to get me a job, but at least I have motivation to get out of bed, get dressed, go somewhere and do something useful. Plus I have a couple of freelance clients, and what's left of my rapidly diminishing microstock income.

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I guess I'll look at these IS changes as creating new opportunities elsewhere instead of closing doors.

Ditto.


 

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