I was wondering - IS gives option to resubmit some rejected works. BUT you basically have to do everything again. Answer silly copyright questions, mark the keywords, add categories...
So what's the point? Beside giving moderator a clue that it was once rejected so maybe there are still some flaws on the photo. Or maybe it's just a clever link to normal procedure of submitting the photo? And there's absolutely no meaning in this 'resubmitting' feature? Maybe at least the time of processing photo is shorter?

Cheers,
Paula

I was wondering - IS gives option to resubmit some rejected works. BUT you basically have to do everything again. Answer silly copyright questions, mark the keywords, add categories...
So what's the point? Beside giving moderator a clue that it was once rejected so maybe there are still some flaws on the photo. Or maybe it's just a clever link to normal procedure of submitting the photo? And there's absolutely no meaning in this 'resubmitting' feature? Maybe at least the time of processing photo is shorter?

Cheers,
Paula

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I never resubmit for the very reason you suggest as it alerts the inspector that the image had a problem before.  I submit again instead.

Does resubmitting it affect your approval percentage?  If it was rejected initially but approved on resubmission maybe it no longer counts as a rejection?

Does resubmission it affect your approval percentage?  If it was rejected initially but approved on resubmission maybe it no longer counts as a rejection?

Nope, if you submit one, it gets rejected, then you resubmit and it's accepted, it's one rejection, one acceptance.
In the early days when I submitted scanned slides it was all too easy to miss a speck, and sometimes a pic would be rejected two or three times before I got it right, that would be two/three rejections, one acceptance.

If a reviewer give you the option to resubmit an image, it's because he/she think the image can be improved and accepted with those corrections. If you don't have the ability to resubmit, the reviewer think it can't be corrected

By resubmit your image, you let the reviewer know what was the problem with your image and what you have done to correct it. Then the reviewer is able to compare the 2 images.

People can obviously choose to do things that are against the rules and hope they don't get caught. With the large number of inspectors, it's  possible that you may get away with submitting images marked no resubmit.

However, if they catch you, you risk having your upload privileges revoked. I don't think that's worth the risk, but everyone's risk tolerance is different.

As far as entering things over, your keywords should be in your image (for your own sanity) so the work is in checking the boxes for disambiguating (it should remember those, but the software's lame and doesn't). Perhaps now Franky (DeepMeta developer) is under contract he'll make resubmitting from DeepMeta a feature and that issue will go away.

People can obviously choose to do things that are against the rules and hope they don't get caught. With the large number of inspectors, it's  possible that you may get away with submitting images marked no resubmit.

That's as may be, but nothing was mentioned about 'no resubmit' images(?)

Isn't it simpler to just use the resubmit option... The reviewer choose to make the option available for you, and is willing to accept your image if the modifications suggested are applied.

How exactly simpler? I have to do the very same things I does when I submit a new photo. I have to answer copyright question, I have to mark my keywords (that are in the file), and I have to add categories. So what is being easier? Beside I'm still not convinced that the 'resubmit' link isn't just the normal 'upload' like which is mu suspicion. I'd like someone to clarify this. 

I mean, people need to stop thinking the reviewers are only there to screw people. If you are still not happy, make a scout ticket and see if a experienced reviewer understand your point.

Sure they're not - they're doing their job, and they're only people making mistakes. And we're doing our jobs too. So if our interest is to get photos accepted and sold and theirs is review as many as they can there always be interest collision and tensions on that line no matter what. Quite natural everyone want to do their jobs and have different points of view.

If it still don't work, move on. Since a while even uploading a great image that get accepted right away with a initial review, have a small % of chance to be a good seller, due to the massive amount of image submitted.

Imagine a image that barely get through the process...

If I have photo accepted on SS, DS and Fotolia (and two middle tier), and it's selling quite nice there, it's quite natural I do disagree with IS that it's not worth anything and I want another chance. Especially when three other lets say more 'picky' judges already accepted it.
I'm not trying to cheat a system or make IS life miserable - on the contrary I'm trying to make their profits even bigger.

(But that's just to make things clear, and a bit off topic.) I still I don't know what's the difference between resubmitting and submitting again photos. And what are advantages / disadvantages of both. I thought ppl who are longer on IS should know, I don't believe everyone 100% agrees to reviewers. 

I haven't got a single rejection for a resubmitted picture so I just want to thanks IS for letting me know what I have done wrong, I guess thats a good reason

Quote from: seawhisper on December 19, 2010, 13:29

(But that's just to make things clear, and a bit off topic.) I still I don't know what's the difference between resubmitting and submitting again photos. And what are advantages / disadvantages of both. I thought ppl who are longer on IS should know, I don't believe everyone 100% agrees to reviewers.  

I explain once again. If the reviewer give you the resubmit option available for a rejected picture, it's because he/she give you the chance to modify that image according to the rejected reasons. This way, the same reviewer can compare on his computer screen the last image you submitted with the new modified one.

If you don't want to make modification, and think it should got through the inspection, you can always make a scout ticket for the file to be reviewed again, by a second inspector. Or, submit it the normal way again... but that's your personal choice.

If you have to get through the process of keywording again, it's probably in case your image was rejected for keywords ect. I hope I said it an understandable way

So you're basically saying that for a submitter there's absolutely no difference. The only difference is that the reviewer can compare files (which may be to good or a bad thing as people have written earlier).  

So maybe I didn't make myself clear. What I mean is the difference in acceptance of the file. Obviously you can't *correct* the file (upload corrected file or change keywords) - you have to go whole process of submitting again. For me the difference would be if I knew that resubmitted file is ok, and the reviewer will only check if the previous mistakes were corrected or not. If it's being judges from the very beginning then why doing 'resubmit' button if it only means submit again. That's what I'm talking about.

Quote from: Vonkara on December 19, 2010, 14:02

Quote from: seawhisper on December 19, 2010, 13:29

(But that's just to make things clear, and a bit off topic.) I still I don't know what's the difference between resubmitting and submitting again photos. And what are advantages / disadvantages of both. I thought ppl who are longer on IS should know, I don't believe everyone 100% agrees to reviewers. 

I explain once again. If the reviewer give you the resubmit option available for a rejected picture, it's because he/she give you the chance to modify that image according to the rejected reasons. This way, the same reviewer can compare on his computer screen the last image you submitted with the new modified one.

If you don't want to make modification, and think it should got through the inspection, you can always make a scout ticket for the file to be reviewed again, by a second inspector. Or, submit it the normal way again... but that's your personal choice.

If you have to get through the process of keywording again, it's probably in case your image was rejected for keywords ect. I hope I said it an understandable way

Either you or I have misunderstood the original question.
I took it that the OP was asking whether to resubmit using the resubmit button, or just to submit again from fresh.
You are taking it that the OP is asking whether it was worthwhile to resubmit rejections.

Both in fact. I asked the original question more like a subject to dwell upon it then to get easy answers.
But in short - I'm wondering what are technical aspects (the process of submitting in both cases seems the same for me). What does reviewer do with resubmit vs submitting again. (I think that mainly I got answer for that). And of course what does it mean for me - and as a consequence on which option to use. (Still not sure, but I guess it can't be answered straight.) To be honest I'm just curious of many aspects about IS. Since I found this submitting again vs resubmitting issue I asked about it. IS seems much different (in logic and web construction) from other (especially newly designed) stocks.

Resubmitting is only simplest if they reject image for few bad keys. But not every time. If revs got similar image like yours in that way they screw you by this keys and you image will not bee searchable so than is better to upload it as new.
I dont bother anymore with resubmitting especially with stupid rejections.

Well, I can only speak from personal experience.  Anything I have ever resubmitted via the resubmit option has been treated fairly in my opinion, and usually accepted, assuming I've fixed the original issue;  for those that weren't, they were pretty dubious to begin with anyway and I have understood the reasons.

Images rejected without a resubmit for what I might have felt to be incorrect reasons I have put to Scout, and again I've always felt were treated fairly.  Not always having the rejection overturned, but they've always explained the reasons why not.  In more than one case Scout has advised that he/she felt an image could be corrected and has even gone to the effort of showing me how, with an example.

Can't say fairer than that.

I haven't got a single rejection for a resubmitted picture so I just want to thanks IS for letting me know what I have done wrong, I guess thats a good reason

Same here.  I often use the resubmit option, when it's available, and can't remember ever getting a resubmitted image rejected the second time around. 

Not sure if it makes a difference, but I always put a note in the description field when I resubmit, saying something like **logo cloned out**, or **problem fixed**.