Author Topic: TWO DAYS, to get 356 photographers (Read 18238 times)

redfig · « **on:** June 29, 2006, 00:16 »

I thought you may be of interest. A new macro photo site is looking to find in TWO DAYS, to get 356 photographers .It’s a great way to make a bit of money .
Photographers If you could but "redfig " in the Where did you hear about LuckyOliver' box" that would be great.
Here is the site http://www.luckyoliver.com/
All the very best
Andrew

CJPhoto · « **Reply #1 on:** June 29, 2006, 01:41 »

What is the deal with Luckyoliver. From memory you only got paid from per picture sales, not subscription sales.

Are y ou getting any sales??

ichiro17 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 29, 2006, 08:36 »

See above

ichiro17 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 29, 2006, 08:37 »

Luckyoliver is a waste of time in my opinion. I haven't gotten one sale and I have given up. There are few proven microstocks that provide good money, but I have no idea where these other ones come from or how they stay in business.

I've made the same amount on SS this month as I have on DT in 2, and SS makes up almost 40 percent of my all-time earnings.

amy_luckyoliver · « **Reply #4 on:** June 29, 2006, 14:16 »

Hi, all. I'm Amy, and I work for LuckyOliver. I'll be happy to answer any questions y'all may have about LO.

ichiro17, sorry you've been disappointed in your LO sales so far. We've been 'publicly' open for less than a month, and have focused our energy on getting fantastic photographers (like you) to help build a stockpile of images before migrating our focus to attracting designers and revenue. It's that whole chicken or egg thing--how do you get designers when you don't have enough photos, and how to do you get photographers when you don't have buying designers? I hope you'll reconsider and maybe stick wiith LuckyO a bit longer...by about the middle of next month we think we'll be at a tipping point image-wise and will be doing more marketing and public relations towards attracting buyers to the site.

CJPhoto, here's the full scoop on getting paid with LuckyOliver. newbielink:http://www.luckyoliver.com/guide/getting_paid [nonactive]
You're right--you get paid per download, as we don't offer subscriptions.

Redfig, thanks for letting folks know about the contest! Just another 24 hours to go and somebody's getting a new camera. :-)

Thanks again, guys! Keep the feedback coming!

CJPhoto · « **Reply #5 on:** June 29, 2006, 14:31 »

My bad - unless exclusive you get 30% of $1 sales. I was getting you confused with another new site.

Amy - if you are still there, my questions are:

- do you have ftp upload
- any daily limit on upload
- does IPTC data get read therefore saving time on keywording.
- do buyers pay different prices for different sizes.

As a new player, sales may come (I agree with your chicken and egg analogy). I will keep an eye on it.

Striker77s · « **Reply #6 on:** June 29, 2006, 14:32 »

OK Amy I have a few questions for you. Submitting images can take hours and hours for us. I haven't submitting any so I don't know how effecient your submital process is. Before we invest a lot of time into your site we want to know that there is good chance of getting something back. There are a lot of microstock sites out there and several new ones. Lets just say it isn't an easy industry to make money in as a new comer. Several of us have invested time into these new sites and have gotten little in return. I don't mean to be rude but please give a quick run down of why you think you are going to suceed where many others are failing. Your payout is OK but nothing special. Featurepics is a new site and they offer 70% payout in order to attract photographers, and they are still struggling to attrack enough photags.

Mark

GeoPappas · « **Reply #7 on:** June 29, 2006, 14:46 »

A 30% royalty is extremely low for a new (unproven) microsite without any real business (as of yet).

Most of us put up with a 20% royalty from IS and a 0.25/image payout from SS because they are the "big dogs" in the neighborhood. But as has been mentioned, almost every other new microsite offers significantly more.

CJPhoto · « **Reply #8 on:** June 29, 2006, 15:00 »

Quote from: GeoPappas on June 29, 2006, 14:46

A 30% royalty is extremely low for a new (unproven) microsite without any real business (as of yet).

Jumping on a bandwagon, 123RF which is also a new site is offering a start up special that all new phototags (not just exclusives) get 50%. They will only drop to there normal scale(with existing still getting the 50%) once they beleive they have a good base of photos.

amy_luckyoliver · « **Reply #9 on:** June 29, 2006, 15:22 »

Good questions.

CJPhotos, to answer yours first:

--Yep, we have FTP capabilities. Once your first three photos are accepted (and you're dubbed a 'Carny' in the LO system) the FTP option shows up on the submit page.
--Nope, there's no daily upload limit.
--IPTC data? Not yet, but it is on the list. Higher on the list is improving our keywording feature and making it easy for you to copy/paste keywords.
--Yep, buyers pay different prices for different sizes. Here's the scoop on that: newbielink:http://www.luckyoliver.com/guide/buying_images [nonactive]

Striker77, to answer your questions (and you may want to get a cup of coffee 'cause this is kinda long...sorry)

We realize that we're entering a pretty crowded field, but we think it's a field where there's plenty of room for improvement and innovation. That said, we also recognize that we're building our company and our product with right in front of you guys…and that we can tell you, 'hey, we're going to be doing some cool stuff down the road--a buy-it-out option, a 'tweaked photos' option that'll let production folks tweak your images for designers (with alpha channels and such) and earn you additional royalties…but that for right now, it's only telling you what we're going to do--we're still in the process of actually doing it.

And we recognize that not everyone is going to feel comfortable investing the time in submitting photos to our site before we've started generating tons of traffic and revenue--that's completely understandable. But we've gotta start somewhere, and offering that initially higher royalty we think may be enough to get us out of the gate, getting excellent photographers and images in the door and giving designers and buyers something of real value when we start hardcore efforts to get them to the site.

So here's what it comes down to. I can tell you now what will make us different, but dangit, that's just talk. I'd rather show you…and we will. If you want to jump on board now and ride through this exciting yet admittedly somewhat rocky startup phase with us, we welcome you--and we've been fortunate that quite a few photographers have decided to do that. If it makes more sense for you to hang back and see a bit more of how we're going to be different, we completely understand.

Thanks for the excellent discussion, everyone! I can't promise that I'll have all the answers, but I can tell you that if I don't have 'em, I'll get 'em.

GeoPappas · « **Reply #10 on:** June 29, 2006, 16:01 »

Quote from: amy_luckyoliver on June 29, 2006, 15:22

But we've gotta start somewhere, and offering that initially higher royalty...

Amy:

What "initially higher royalty" are you talking about? Is it different than the 30% standard royalty that was discussed above?

Striker77s · « **Reply #11 on:** June 29, 2006, 16:20 »

Amy thanks for the reply. I was actually expecting a longer reply. I don't mind jumping on the bandwagon and investing time into a new site if I like their business model. One example would be featurepics. They allow photags to price their own photos they offer extremely high royalties to photags and they are extremely responsive to suggestions on their site. Make a good suggestion and within a couple of weeks the changes are up and going. I felt they were somewhat unique so I gave them a go. I hope they succeed. You are offering royalties on the lower side and are probably the lowest of all new sites your pricing per picture is similar to other sites (there is nothing wrong with that) and you will allow production to tweak our images. I guess I'm still skeptical and don't see how you stand out from anyone else. But maybe you will, I feel the more competition the better.

Mark

madelaide · « **Reply #12 on:** June 29, 2006, 23:14 »

Amy,

In the press release, it says:

Quote

LuckyOliver is currently in the process of accepting photo submissions and is offering a 60% royalty on the first 30,000 exclusive-rights images accepted.

but I understand you have excluisve photographers only, not exclusive images. Am I right?

Regards,
Adelaide

CJPhoto · « **Reply #13 on:** June 30, 2006, 01:43 »

Quote from: amy_luckyoliver on June 29, 2006, 15:22

--IPTC data? Not yet, but it is on the list. Higher on the list is improving our keywording feature and making it easy for you to copy/paste keywords.

YOu should move this up your list of priorities. We have spent a lot of time doing our key words into IPTC and to have to copy and paste is a waste of time when you have 100's of photos. I will upload a few shots to see how they get on but probably wont do the rest until you have this feature.

How many keywords do you allow? Only 10??

leaf · « **Reply #14 on:** June 30, 2006, 02:00 »

i agree. if you are looking for growth, a VERY QUICK upload system is essential. People who upload 20 shots or less will be happy to cut and paste, those who upload 100's or thousands of images, will not bother.

ichiro17 · « **Reply #15 on:** June 30, 2006, 08:04 »

I agree

I will not be inclined to upload until there's IPTC capabilities. Then I will upload my 250 some photos and growing.

amy_luckyoliver · « **Reply #16 on:** June 30, 2006, 10:24 »

Hey, guys. Thanks again for the feedback. I'm bringing in Bryan--LuckyOliver's chief instigator, to answer some of your latest questions. Look to hear from him a bit later on this morning...

Chepe · « **Reply #17 on:** June 30, 2006, 10:37 »

Quote from: ichiro17 on June 30, 2006, 08:04

I agree

I will not be inclined to upload until there's IPTC capabilities. Then I will upload my 250 some photos and growing.

IPTC reading is a must, I did try to upload some images but I did quit, also, there is no way to upload model releases.

Chepe

bryan_luckyoliver · « **Reply #18 on:** June 30, 2006, 11:25 »

I thought I would pipe in after seeing the thread to say thanks for taking a look at LuckyOliver. I'm heading up our efforts at LO and your suggestions are great to hear. We're less than a month into launching the public web site, so we have some things to work on. That said, let me answer some questions:

madelaide-
We give photographers the opportunity to sell exclusive images, not become exclusive photographers. We offer a buyout option where photographers (which we call Carnies) can sell the rights to their images for a price they set.

CJphoto-
I've submitted over 250 of my own images, so I know your concern on time. We have a great tool to upload and ftp images, but the key wording could be made simpler for people with 100's of images. We actually decided to pull back on our development for the sake of getting out there and getting some feedback. It is high on our list of things to improve for photographers. We are working on a few ideas, but clustering and IPTC are on the list.

Chepe-
You've got some great photos, so I hope we can keep you interested! Right now there is form to upload model releases on the photo description page. It is currently disabled while we do some work under-the-hood, but it should be up and running next week.

Stiker77s-
I can understand your apprehension in spending any time with a new site. There is an explosion of interest in Microstock-lots of people are getting into the fray. There will be many losers and businesses that can't sustain their operations. I can say that I built the LuckyOliver team with the idea that this was a business, not a website. I raised capital from team members actually working on the site, so every one of us has a vested interest in making this work. Like Amy said, I can talk about what we plan to do, but it's just empty words if it is not followed up by action. I'd prefer to ask you to watch us over the next six months and give us a review!

CJPhoto · « **Reply #19 on:** June 30, 2006, 11:38 »

Thanks for your reply. I have submitted my first three and will probably put up a few more to test the water.However I will probably wait on uploading the bulk of them until IPTC so keep us informed.

Good luck - lets hope your site is anotehr winner.

madelaide · « **Reply #20 on:** June 30, 2006, 18:45 »

Amy and Bryan,

I totally endorse the requests for IPTC reading - this is definitely a must!

BTW, you have a very interesting design at the site. Some new sites have a very standard "pasteurized" look, whereas yours is very unique. Good work and hope to make success there together!

Regards,
Adelaide

fintastique · « **Reply #21 on:** July 01, 2006, 02:10 »

Signed up and was accepted yesterday and have been trying to FTP today with FileZilla

ftp.luckyoliver.com
user name
password

user name accepted
password - 530 authenification error

anyone had success with the FTP option?

I tried the 5 files at a time uploader and another 530 error.

Uploaded one and it worked.

So i thought I would upload 5 more while I was keywording

Then I noticed "add keyword"

Not having IPTC facility is one thing but making us enter keywords individually is quite another.

So please LO team let us know when you can enter a string of keywords separated by commas

IPTC reading should be top of the list if you want to build a portfolio quickly

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Author Topic: TWO DAYS, to get 356 photographers (Read 18238 times)

redfig

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CJPhoto

amy_luckyoliver

GeoPappas

Striker77s

madelaide

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amy_luckyoliver

Chepe

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CJPhoto

madelaide

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